Live: MFMP Begin Automated Ni + LiAlH4 Experiment (Update: Test Restarted)

UPDATE (Mar 31, 2017)

Thanks to Bob Greenyer for reporting that Bob Higgins’ experiment is back up and running after shutting down for repairs (a leak in the reactor as I understand).

His data is being posted here:

Bob adds that user ‘Can’ from LENR Forum is graphing the data here:


Thanks to artefact for finding the following announcement on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project’s website here:

“The GO button has just been clicked for an automated Ni + LiAlH4 experiment. Whilst Bob [Higgins] will always be able to intervene, but if he doesn’t, it will take 6 days.
The experiment contains 1.02g of pre-processed AH-50 carbonyl Ni powder and 0.11g of LiAlH4. That was all that he could fit in the 2″ end of my smaller ceramic tube.
There is a very slow temperature rise and the system will not be >600C until late tomorrow. The script includes soaking and evacuation cycles to clean out residual water vapor and O2. Bob will be putting the data files, photos, and and videos in the following shared Google drive folder
It’s good to see a new live test, and I thought it would be a good idea to have a new thread here for discussion and updates.
  • Bob Greenyer

    (ClamShell) Experiment And Bob Higgins Lab Tour

    • nietsnie

      Oooooo… Now I have personal-lab-envy. That is very nice.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Can is doing a fantastic job – as ever – lovely clean charts.

    Pressure and temperature getting into the zone of Parkhomov

    • Brokeeper

      Very encouraging, Bob. Thanks!

  • @Frank: You should better link to the forum thread, because the linked PDF is only one of many (and at the moment already outdated). can is updating the graphs every few yours.

    Thanks to can!

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Barty, I have changed the link to go to the complete thread, instead of that document.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bob Higgins ‘clamshell’ experiment is backup, running, and posting data…

    Contributor ‘Can’ on LENR-Forum is graphing the data.

    See here:

    Data can be found here:

    • Ged

      Glad it is all back up! Shall be fun watching his implementation and what it observes. Very nice radiation detection setup.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – BobH did a massive amount of work on this – learning all the lessons of our previous experiments. He has the auto calibration function in there. He also bought a neutron source to calibrate his neutron detector to some degree.

        The great thing is about this set up is that if it shows something, and it is focussed on replicating Parkhomov rather than GS5.2, then he can run the script again – same as it was before.

        The insulation is targeted towards the kind of apparent excess we have seen in previous *GlowStick* experiments. He has tried to get it so less power will achieve target temperature so that hopefully there is a chance of seeing a bigger excess if there is thermal feedback.

        Coming to the interesting bits now.

        • Rene

          Yes, he wrote that he wanted to eliminate the heavy dissipation of heat that makes it difficult to see the signal. Glad to see this finally up and running.

  • Bob Greenyer

    From Bob Higgins:

    “Well, an additional leak was found – believe it or not, it was a defective stainless steel tube. It was defective because it had holes in it! New tubing has been received and installed and it looks like the leak is gone. I hope to restart the experiment in 2-3 hours after I re-assemble the system. You can look for the ongoing data and pictures at this URL:”

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bob Higgins is waiting on parts – he found that his steel tube has holes in it!

    • Rene

      Holes?? Like itsy bitsy holes?

      • Bob Greenyer

        yes – leaky ones and the tube manufacturer said it was good to high pressure – high pressure of what – silly putty?

        • artefact

          You could have known that when buying tubes from a manufacturer with the name “swiss cheese”

          • Bob Greenyer

            RTF label – my bad

            • MLTC

              Bob, I assumed that you were too intelligent to act like the other sheeps and use something as stupid as the so called “English” phrase “my bad”, but you’ve now disappointed me! 🙁 You don’t reach progress unless you question things and think differently than the rest! English isn’t my native language, yet I have to correct you.

              • Bob Greenyer

                my bad

  • Bob Greenyer

    ECCO 8 – Reactor core layout

  • Webscience

    Its great that Bob’s team started another experiment. Pity the core broke, fingers crossed the fix will hold. Is there any possibility to put up the livestream with a cam and sensor readings? Its very exciting and relaxing at the same time (especially at night).

    • Bob Greenyer

      I hope to help bob set up a stream – he is new to that aspect and it might come part way in, but the data will be shared. He is not using Labjack or HUGNet lab – so not so streamlined for sharing at the moment.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • sam

      Almost $25,000 in four days on
      the 28th anniversary of F/P
      Good Work.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks to you and all the other donors.

    • Gerard McEk

      Perfect Bob, please continue your work and prove that LENR works, without speculations and assumptions, just in a professional way, then The New Fire will rise and the world can enjoy it’s comfortable warmth.

    • Josh G

      Very inspirational! Fingers crossed…

  • Bob Greenyer

    This is on hold after starting until some issues are resolved.

    After that – it will be re-started.

  • sam

    From Lenr forum

    57 minutes ago
    The experiment was aborted last night due to a leak, apparently at the reactor tube metal seal interface. I will be reworking that today. The experiment did not get very far into heating – only to 140C. I will rework the reactor tube seal today and re-install. Hopefully the leak will have been resolved and the test can proceed as planned.

    The experiment uses AH-50 Ni powder that has been processed to remove oxide prior to mixing with 10% by weight LiAlH4. It is a Parkhomov-like reaction that is insulated in the K-26 bricks to improve the sensitivity to excess heat.

    When the experiment is re-started, there will be a new folder for link to the data.

    • sam

      Bob Higgins
      Bob wrote:
      I know this says “intends” to support, but I hope they have committed to you. I appreciate you posts and while open minded, show not only a good understanding of a correct approach but an appropriate caution not to jump to unfounded conclusions! A scientist in the true meaning!
      Good fortune on your automated test as well!
      Thank you for the vote of confidence, Bob. My stated goal is to find a reproducible Ni-H LENR experiment, document it and share the details for reproduction – specifically university reproduction. It is not until we get a reproducible experiment in the universities that the research needed to understand Ni-H LENR is likely to occur. Theoretical physicists need reliable and reproducible data or the field is not going to mature to practical engineering. Grad students need an experiment they can reliably build upon to build a dissertation research project. A single reproducible experiment whose protocol is fully documented and provided to everyone would legitimize the field in all sectors. This experiment doesn’t have to be a Ni-H experiment, but that is where I chose to work.

      I should comment that Pd-D reproducibility has been improving and we are seeing university work there (U of Missouri, Texas Tech in the US). One of the disappointing things with Pd-D is not what Peter Gluck keeps harping about (power density and cost), but rather longevity of the experiment. If you cannot get the experiment to run for weeks and months, it is impossibly hard to find the systematic changes in the materials that could provide core clues into what is happening in the reaction. That’s an important reason I chose to work on Ni-H – because of reports of long-lived experiments.

      Today, I only have a friendly relationship with IH. I share what I am doing, just as I share it with everyone else. I have not received any money or materials from IH. Actually, the future of IH’s support for outside researchers depends a lot on the outcome of this trial. I get NO information about Rossi’s technology from IH. The relationship has allowed me to discuss LENR subjects with some of their other research partners.

  • LindbergofSwed

    Is this a copy of the indian setup?

    • Bob Greenyer

      No, it is a Rossi like Ni + LiAlH4 *GlowStick* reactor that is insulated based on our apparent previous excess heat results with the aim to approach self-sustain or get higher COP.

      • SG

        Some time ago you had highlighted Rossi’s public comment that there was a layer of lead to thermalize low level gamma, which was how the e-Cat produced excess heat energy. Has the MFMP ever adopted that (lead layer or container) into their tests? (Just curious.)

        • Bob Greenyer

          No – but someone else has. It is their call to reveal it.

          • SG

            me356? 🙂

        • Warthog

          Rossi himself said that they had switched from lead to tungsten for the purpose. I am still much of the opinion that that specific change is the reason for LENR+(as Peter Gluck calls it). And also why none of the replications show the same high COP’s that Rossi claims.

  • John Littlemist

    What kind of pre-processing has been done to Ni powder? Was the processing done according to these instructions:

    • “Jag bara undrar”

      32,938 K (−240,212 °C)
      1,2858 MPa

  • Stephen

    Great news! There are some much needed great things underway from MFMP these days. Bob Higgins makes really good robust experiments too. This should bring some really good data.

  • artefact