Rossi v. IH: Some New Exhibits Published

In the court case between Andrea Rossi and Industrial Heat, there have been some new exhibits posted as part of a filing by Rossi’s team. There have been many documents filed in the case, but not many containing evidence, so I find these exhibits are more interesting than most of the filings so far. Rossi’s team is seeking sanctions against IH’s team and has published these documents to support that motion.

The exhibits can be found as documents 167-02  through 167-08 at this link: (Thanks again to Eric Walker for providing these documents to the public) Here’s a summary of the entries, along with excerpts in some cases.

167-02 (Exhibit 1): An email from Tom Darden to Thomas Sloan and Thomas Watkins, dated March 7, 2014,  in which he gives a summary of Industrial Heat’s progress to that point. This was during the period of the Lugano test taking place. He talks about how he could not then make any conclusions about the test, but he did say he was concerned that the measurement of temperature via emissivity could lead to incorrect conclusions. He discusses industrial Heat’s involvement with Rossi and also their goals for supporting other LENR research, including Brillouin Energy. One notable part of his report is when he talks about testing of E-Cat reactors he had witnessed. Darden says he has seen reactors that did not work at all, but also writes: “we had seen a reactor explode from the inside, relatively dramatically, as others had exploded in Italy These explosions are not very violent, just a pressure release and a burst of energy blowing out the side for a couple of feet and a few seconds. We have since dismantled that reactor and saw that prior to exploding, it expanded and swelled to about 1/4″   inch. It was made from stainless steel, 1/4″ thick and only 1.25″ diameter, so it is very strong. This could only happen through a combination of very high pressure and very high temperature plus high pressure. Stainless steel melts at 1500 degrees C, far beyond our external operating temperatures, and we do not think the electricity we were using is sufficient to do this, implying that the energy came from inside the core.”

167-03 (Exhibit 2): The full text of the Lugano Report

167-04 (Exhibit 3): A part of a court transcript in which attorneys from both sides are debating about issuing subpoenas to professors from Europe

167-05 (Exhibit 4): A declaration by University of Bologna Professor Guiseppe Levi who reports how he was contacted by two Israeli men, Mordechai Tzivin and Uzi Sha, who questioned him about his involvement with Andrea Rossi, and who also offered him substantial amounts of money (amount unspecified) if they would participate in a research project with them. Levi reports that one of the men wanted him to urgently write a report about how to measure the energy output of a Lugano style reactor, and told him that his customers and investors did not want to work with Rossi any more. Levi writes that he felt harassed and suspected that he was being offered money to recant his previous support of E-Cat tests. Levi states that he refused the offer and also states he suspected Industrial Heat was behind this offer.

167-06 (Exhibit 5): An email from Tom Darden to “Zalli and Uzi”, providing them with contact information of Andrea Rossi, Fulvio Fabiani and Fabio Penon.

167-07 (Exhibit 6)  A forwarded email from Dewey Weaver to Bo Hoistad which claims that the piece of the Lugano reactor that was tested by the Lugano authors was not pure alumina as reported in the Lugano report, only the reactor plug was. Weaver states that the reactor body was made of Durapot, which is 75-85% alumina cement. (The Lugano report itself states that the authors took a sample from one of the ridges of the reactor and they determined it was 99% alumina).

167-08 (Exhibit 7)  An excerpt from transcript testimony of Dewey Weaver who states again that the Lugano reactor was made of Durapot 810, and that he learned this from T. Barker Dameron, who he said made the reactor that was used in the Lugano test.

I am sure there will be much analysis of these exhibits, but these are still just small glimpses of the evidence that has been collected during the discovery phase of the litigation, and there is still a great deal in the proceedings so far that we don’t know. Eventually there will be questioning of witnesses that will be carried out openly in court, and I hope we are able to get good transcripts of those proceedings.

  • Bruce__H

    I have located the exchange during which I was told that Rossi was not on hand, continuously, throughout the 2014 Lugano test

    On E-cat World, in the July 2016 thread labelled “Report: E-Cat Plant Isotope Analysis Data Came From Uppsala University” LENR G said:

    “Rossi dropped off his reactor with the Lugano scientists, got it started for them and went to another continent for the duration of the test.”

    This seems unequivocal! I have asked LENR G for more details.

    Rossi’s location at different times over the past several years is suggested by a recent metadata analysis of his blog postings. On LENR Forum, Malcom Lear has put up a file showing times and dates of Rossi’s posts. From these we see daily patterns of high posting activity alternating with stretches of low activity that presumably reflect sleep times. It looks like Rossi gets up about 6AM and goes to sleep around 10PM. But of course these activity times are locked to location. When he travels across time zones his habitual wake/sleep times soon lock to the local time zone just like anyone else’s.

    Lear’s analysis is thus capable of revealing which time zone Rossi happens to be in at any one time (although I’m not sure Lear has noticed this yet). In Lear’s plots one can spot a basic Rossi-in-Europe activity cycle that is strongly present from 2011 through to June 2013. This is then abruptly replaced by a 6-hour shifted pattern that I take to represent Rossi in America. Now, of relevance to the question of Rossi’s location during the Lugano test is a shift in activity times from the Rossi-in-America pattern back to the Rossi-in-Europe pattern early February of 2014. The Rossi-in-Europe is then stable until early April at which time it looks as though a voyage to back to America is in the books.

    I haven’t kept detailed track of what is known about Rossi’s coming and goings over the years, but if he did indeed travel from Europe to America in June 2013 and then remained in the US until February 2014, then I expect this activity cycle analysis is validated as a technique and we can say with some confidence that Rossi was in a European time zone throughout the duration of the Lugano test. Unless the other continent LENR G mentions is also in a European time zone (Africa? Antarctica?) I’m not sure where he thinks Rossi has gone.

  • sam

    From Lenr forum

    3 hours ago
    Dewey Weaver
    Can you state us a roughly time frame in which we can expect new important information and evidence published by the court?

    Dewey Weaver
    3 hours ago
    Barty – this should be a big week across the board unless something(s) is / (are) changed by the Court.

    • Vinney

      Rossi’s recent publication with Swedish physicist Carl Oscar Gullstrom is a preemptive strike against Cherokee and IH legal manoeuvres.
      I think anything IH can present have been effectively neutered.
      People are going to be wondering why they (IH etal) threw out the baby with the bath water.

  • Obvious

    The report was supposedly sent to the Journal of Physics D as well.

  • cashmemorz

    Especially since one of the testers, now demised, was on the Noble Prize committee. Do those peer reviewers not take those kind of people into consideration as being knowledgeable enough to know what they are wring about? That would be the extremely suspect as to why peer reviewers will not look at LENR papers.

    Something stinks to high h… and I really do not understand what it could be.

    • Bruce__H

      What peer reviewers?

      • cashmemorz

        Those mentioned above. I know specifics would be nice. I can look them up for you if you are not aware which ones they are.

      • Obvious

        You can write a critique or comment on any of the papers in Arxiv.
        Ericcson and Pomp have successfully submitted a critique of “An Indication Of…”(Levi et al 2013) to Arxiv, for example.

      • Omega Z

        There was a previous paper published on Arxiv about Rossi’s E-cat. which actually lead to the Lugano test There was a lot of hail raised over that.

        This time, they new the (Lugano)paper was coming as those who raised the fuss before were well aware of the test. My understanding is it was actually published temporarily(hours or less) then Arxiv was pressured to remove it. Cold Fusion, LENR are black listed. You can not publish unless it’s been peer reviewed. You can not be peer reviewed unless it’s published.

        Cold Fusion, LENR are also black listed at the USPTO. The reason Rossi was able to get a U.S. Patent was because it stated nothing about cold fusion or LENR. Only that it produced more energy then was applied. Internal Combustion Engine do that. Started wwith a little voltage from a battery and becomes self sustaining.

        I did notice that the Patent that Darden filed in the name of Industrial heat and was in it’s final rejection was associated with what is know as Cold Fusion/LENR. It’s within the Code numbers at the very top of the application… That’s a Big NO NO…

  • Warthog

    I’m sure they would do so gladly if you would put up the money. Destroying reactors is a wee bit expensive.

    • Bruce__H

      I think it would be less expensive. A runaway LENR reaction should produce a whopping big signal in terms of heat evolved, evolution of particles, and transmutation of elements. So drive just one system to meltdown or explosion and measure the result. This should provide clear evidence of the most astounding discovery of the last 100 years.

      Instead people are trying to just nudge the system gently claiming that they are doing this so that they can get reliable safe excess energy out of it. But it strongly appear to me that this is just an excuse for not being able to show that the effect is real in the first place.

  • Obvious

    Arxiv refused it, which is unusual.
    I don’t know if Arxiv said why they refused it, but that would be a start to answering your question, if they did.

  • Zephir

    Good news for Rossi

    and another twist in the litigation. If read the court dockets correctly, then (scroll to Document 167-1 on page 14):

    “The Plaintiffs’ Motion for Sanctions with Attached Exhibits is hereby GRANTED” CECILIA M. ALTONAGA, UNITED STATES DISTRICTJUDGE and:

    “The pleadings of Defendants Thomas Darden, Industrial Heat, LLC, and IPH International B.V. are hereby stricken, with prejudice, for engaging in bad faith litigation, including the attempted bribery and coercion of witnesses.” etc.

    • LION

      Zephir, thanks for posting this most wonderful NEWS, it is impossible in this moment to express the JOY I feel. ROSSI ROSSI ROSSI, so very HAPPY for you Andrea.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Hi Lion, when will we
        hear more about your results?

        • LION

          I believe Alan will be next but the timing is in his hands not mine. I will however be making a post of at least 2 videos early next week, that is in my hands. I am just about to email Alan, having had my supper, it is almost 8.20 PM here in the UK. All the best.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      167-1 is just a proposed order.

    • US_Citizen71

      Do you have a link to where you are reading this?

    • Omega Z


      It has not yet been signed and dated.

      It is still under consideration…

  • Rene

    This video does a great job of hiding the source of the steam. The camera is handheld and the movements carefully keep the generator just out of frame. Why? Maybe me356 can explain?

  • Rene

    Keep reading further down my previous reply to find the answer to your question.

    • Bruce__H

      I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me to read. Please be more specific.

    • doug marker

      Rene, wasted effort. There are none so deaf as those who won’t listen. 😉

  • Frank Acland

    Thanks, Dodger, but I can’t open this video at this link. Am I the only one?

    • artefact

      Works for me on andrid.

      • Frank Acland

        Thanks, probably just my connection.

    • Dodger

      Had similar problems. But it’s downloadable with the link right below the video.

  • Omega Z

    You could have the worlds Premier expert and question if they may be in error. However, as the number of experts that are involved, that becomes much less likely. Point is Levi is one of multiple experts involved.

    Lets also not forget the Russian and Chinese researchers who are also obtaining excess heat following Rossi’s lead…

    Time to move on to more credible issues like dependability and control.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi March 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM
    Good standing, Sigma 5 in view.
    Warm Regards, A.R.

    Frank Acland March 11, 2017 at 6:28 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    What do you expect to happen when you reach Sigma 5?
    Best wishes, Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi March 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM
    Frank Acland:
    The QuarkX will be introduced.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • LION

    Hi FRANK, I came across this——–

    I have 2 short movies to post to ECW but never having done this before I would like your help and guidance. They are Quick time files, I am using an i Mac OSX El Capitan version 10.11.6
    But have not a clue how to up load them. Thanks Frank.

  • Rene

    MFMP had a bang event. It was scary and not something they want to do again. I recall that was a dummy run too.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Not exactly a “dummy” run, there was hydrogen inside the tube – hence, no surprise. The amount of hydrogen was sufficient to melt several mm^3 of the alumina shell (calculations have been posted here on ECW).

      • Rene

        It was a dummy run, and by that MFMP means everything including dummy fuel. That vid was one of their calibration runs. My point is even the chemical/pressure failure was shrapnel producing. They had a shield in place. Now compare that to the reports of an e-cat bulging, popping then spewing its guts – quite scary and expensive.So yes, it has been done and observed, just not with independent witnesses. That’s just not going to happen with Rossi. We are left to other means.
        I look to the careful and deliberate processes used by groups like MFMP.

    • Bruce__H

      None of the events I am seeing or hearing described are very energetic. Darden explicitly says that the event he witnessed was fairly tame. I suggest a few simple precautions would take care of things.

      This is supposed to be the most world-changing discovery in 100 years. Please recalibrate your judgement and then explain to me again why the work proving it is true shouldn’t go ahead because of the possibility of explosions like these.

      I say we need lots of explosions! Forget all this finicky control systems stuff that seems to be taking everyone years and years (and years!) to get right. Just let a few of these things run away and measure the result. Measure the radiation. Gather the ash and analyze it. It should be whopping great signal and then once and for all the world will be convinced and someone will get a nice paper in Nature or Science out of it.

      But no. Doesn’t happen. Why not?

      • Rene

        I explained myself clearly. People do not want to do explosive events because they do not want to get hurt and it is expensive. So, if you want to see that, do it yourself or pay someone to do it for you.
        But to date the only high excursion events I’ve head of were Rossi’s stuff and the mysterious me356, both shrouded in secrecy, their formula and recipe unavailable to reproduce. So it that’s what your point is, I think we all understand.

        • Bruce__H

          Why would it be expensive? Once the thing explodes then the experiment is concluded. That is what you want. It is a successful experiment. An endpoint. The ash should be the proof of the most amazing discovery of the past century. No?

          Why should it be that dangerous? Stand back or use a screen like the MPFP guys did. Amateur rocket enthusiasts expose themselves to greater potential risk every day. They control the risk by recognizing the dangers and taking simple countermeasures.

          If there is a burst of radiation from the thing then that is fantastic! Easy to measure! The 1/r^2 law provides adequate protection in that case.

          Why don’t we see more attempts to produce these meltdowns and explosions? It should be the fast way to the proof of cold fusion. People should be asking themselves more questions like this.

          • Rene

            Why? Because it is. GO talk to the MFMP people. The price of the fuel alone is a couple thousand dollars for the research grade materials. Sure someday with scaled up automation it will be pennies but right now it is not. So, again, I think the idea of running an exponential reaction is wonderful. But, it is going to cost. Go fund them.

  • Honoured to see that Dewey Weaver refers to me in his email to the Swedish professors. In any case, I find Darden’s email to his lawyer more interesting. It gives a fairly credible picture of his and IH’s position at this time—hopes and doubts, difficulties in collaboration with Rossi, but some clear indications of the technology being valid (explosions of reactors, observations of ‘flashes of energy in the fuel’ etc).
    At that time I really had great hopes that Rossi’s collaboration with IH was what was needed to bring the E-Cat to market. Really a shame that it wasn’t.

    BTW I repeat what I asked below: Wonder if IH ever got the new supposedly more effective fuel used in the Lugano reactor. The 24h Validation Test, after which Rossi was paid $10M and reportedly transferred all the necessary IP for the E-Cat and its fuel to IH, was performed in May 2013. The Lugano test in 2014.

  • Ged

    Nice try at “concern trolling” (distasteful behavior in my view). I doubt you know anything functional about how UniBo works and how the department of physics and astronomy makes its internal promotion decisions and the politics/rules involved. But here is Levi’s CV where you can see he got tenure in 2002, and also leads several major groups at UniBo. Meanwhile, note how many people work in his department, which will cause a strong cap on promotion quotas and stringency of promotion rules:

    Where I am, getting an associate position is very hard, involving “international level” recognition in 2 separate catagories out of Administration, Teaching, Research, and Community, as well as length of tenure and overall total score between all four catagories. So, no matter how good a researcher someone is, if they aren’t also internationally recognized in one of the other three catagories, been there long enough, and get a high combined score, they cannot reach associate status. Other places and departments do things very differently.

  • cashmemorz

    An out-lier phenomenon most would not care to get involved in. Too much danger. Requires bomb experts as in the military. Most researchers of LENR are not willing to do it since it is a step up in danger that requires extra precautionary measures not expected to be required in LENR. If it turns out to be a standard feature, the bangs, most would not care to develop such tech.

  • Domenico Canino

    Deformed Space-Time Reactions and Their
    Gianni Albertini1, 2, *, Domenico Bassani3
    1Universita Politecnica Delle Marche, Dipartimento di Scienze e Ingegneria Della Materia dell’ambiente ed Urbanistica, Ancona, Italy
    2Consorzio Nazionale Interuniversitario Per le Scienze fIsiche Della Materia, Ancona Unit, Ancona, Italy
    3SIDOM S.A.S. DI MUSSA SILVIA & C, Cervasca (CN), Italy

    This theory can thus assume the role of unifying different
    fields, identified by using different names over the years:
    Cold-Fusion, Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, Condensed
    Matter Nuclear Science, Piezo-Nuclear Reactions and Energy
    From this unifying vision, suggestions can derive for future

    3.3. E-cat
    E-cat [41] is the most recent example of phenomenology that
    is considered inexplicable following the generally accepted
    laws of Nature but, on the other hand, got the characteristics
    of a DST-reaction, as we are going to explain.
    The test of E-cat performance, made by an independent
    group, can be divided into three main stages: a first run
    without fuel in the reactor aiming to check that
    instrumentation measured the right balance of input and
    output energy. After 23 hours the reactor was switched off
    and this preliminary phase ended.
    The following two phases performed in fully operational
    conditions lasted totally 32 days. They consisted in a 10 day
    stage where the average temperature of the reactor body was
    1260°C, the electric power input around 810 W and the yield
    was measured as a COP factor of about 3.2; and a final stage
    at 1400°C obtained by increasing the inlet power to slightly
    above 900 W, with a COP of about 3.6.
    The specific energy obtained from the fuel was larger than in
    any other known source of energy, apart from the nuclear.
    With respect to the initial fuel, the isotopic composition of
    Lithium and Nickel in the ashes was found different but no
    radioactivity was detected in the reactor. These last two
    results are in contradiction if one considers the commonly
    accepted nuclear theory: in fact any imaginable nuclear
    reaction producing these isotopic changes should produce a
    detectable radiation in the reactor also after switching the
    process off. The absence on detected neutrons was
    considered well explicable.
    _ The questions left open after this test can find an answer if
    one considers the phenomenology of the process, which is
    characteristic of DST-reactions. In fact
    _ The occurrence of a threshold is not clearly detectable, but
    it could be inferred from the delay time between the
    maximum of mean power consumption and the increase of
    net power production and consequent COP increasing on
    passing to the last phase of the test. It could be related to a
    latency time necessary to accumulate locally the required
    energy density.
    _ The changes of atomic weight are testified by the different
    compositions of the initial fuel and the final ashes
    _ The absence of radiation resulting after the test is a keypoint.
    In fact the absence of gamma radiation is an open
    question for traditional nuclear theory but a distinguishing
    feature of DST-reactions
    _ The absence of detected neutrons is a conceivable result
    for the authors. On the contrary, we rather believe that
    intense, anisotropic and short living beams were emitted.
    They were not detected due to the fact that intense beams
    of short duration are treated as impulsive noise by the
    whole detecting system. In particular, the neutron
    detectors are usually not optimised to record this kind of
    signal while the related electronics usually eliminate them
    as an undesirable noise. In previous “piezo-nuclear”
    experiments [28-31, 33] neutron detectors with a large
    volume and coated by boron-10 were used and particular
    care was dedicated to this fact.
    _ The underestimation of intensity resulting from traditional
    detectors with respect to these reactions was also
    discussed in [26].
    _ Furthermore, the anisotropic direction of the emitted
    beams can also play its role, when the receiving detectors
    are positioned in correspondence of some particular
    directions, where eventually beams are not directed to.

  • Domenico Canino

    you can read what they wrote on e-cat;

  • Rene

    I’ve said it before and now it is corroborated. Rossi still has a reaction control issue. Fizzle and bang.

    “…Darden says he has seen reactors that did not work at all, but also writes: “we had seen a reactor explode from the inside, relatively dramatically, as others had exploded in Italy…”

    • This is what I tell in my book An Impossible Invention, and in the last chapter I also conclude that explosions and other ways the reaction has gone out of control provide good reasons to believe the E-Cat technology is real and valid, although not mature, at that time.
      And yes, the control issue is fundamental.

      • Rene

        I agree. What is interesting is how Rossi has had to go to smaller reaction volumes (aka the quarks) to reduce the extreme power excursions. Even those pop. 2011 to the present for him has been about reliably controlling the reaction dynamics and ensuring side reactions that emit radiation are not entered. All in secrecy, no meaningful help theoretical nor practical (not since Forcardi’s passing).
        He says he’s got it (reliable high power LENR) this time. I remain skeptical.

  • Domenico Canino
    • Pekka Janhunen

      Indeed a hydrogen bomb uses lithium-6, which must be enriched from natural lithium. But one still needs the fission bomb as the trigger. Therefore, non-proliferation efforts are concentrated on controlling enriched heavy fissile isotopes – and also tritium, which, if available, enables one to use a smaller amount of the fissile material.
      I think that enriching lithium is not particularly hard. At least it should be much easier than enriching uranium because the relative mass difference between the isotopes is much larger.

  • Leo Kaas

    167-02 (Exhibit 1): The explosion Darden mentions reminds me of the meltdown Pons and Fleischman had with one of their experiments. If I remember correctly the experiment burned through the table started making a hole in the concrete floor.

  • Domenico Canino

    Prof. Fabio Cardone wrote these things many years ago.

  • wpj


    “All of our earlier failures were electrical in nature”

    So, they could not get the reactors to work but was a different reason than previously speculated. Might have been good to tag that onto the end of the paragraph above and also that they had been changing the fuel mixture…………

    • Wonder if IH ever got the new fuel used in the Lugano reactor. The 24h Validation Test, after which Rossi was paid $10M and reportedly transferred all the necessary IP for the E-Cat and its fuel to IH, was performed in May 2013. The Lugano test in 2014.

  • Veblin

    167-08 (Exhibit 7) An excerpt from transcript testimony of Dewey Weaver who states again that the Lugano reactor was made of Durapot 810, and that he learned this from T. Barker Dameron, who he said made the reactor that was used in the Lugano test.

    T. Barker Dameron is who Industrial Heat claims is their engineer and the inventor name they put on the patents they filed along with Andrea Rossi’s name.

    Thomas Barker Dameron III has for many years been a Realtor, Broker and Investor.
    He is an investor in Cherokee and Industrial Heat, individually and through his
    Calimus LLC.

    Mr. Dameron like his friend and business associate Mr. Darden, does like to set up numerous investment LLC’s. Here are a few.
    Calimus LLC
    T. Barker Dameron III, LLC
    Dameron Family Ventures LLC
    High Bar Creek LLC
    Huggy Bear LLC
    Friendship Chapel Commercial LLC Legal

    As far as engineering, the only information I have found about Mr. Dameron does seem to show him taking solar thermal energy engineering classes in collage and having some involvement in a paper that was presented to ASME in 1979.

    A home-size solar-powered engine for cooling
    systems of generation of electricity. F. 0. Smetana, P. G. Bladen, and
    T. B. Dameron, Ill (North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC.).
    American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Winter Annual Meeting,
    New York, N. Y., Dec. 2-7, 1979, Paper 79WA/Sol-34. 12 p.
    The paper outlines the steps taken in designing and constructing
    a solar-powered engine at the N.C. State University, to produce
    sufficient electricity from sunlight to meet the needs of the average
    N.C. resident, estimated at being approximately 1000 KWH/month.
    Attention is given to the component selection and assembly, and an
    examination of the preliminary system operating results is given.
    Four criteria for the structure are outlined, including that the
    structure be able to withstand 100 mph winds and that it requires
    only bolt-together assembly in relatively light-weight sections.

    Read more about this “solar thermal conversion unit” in the OCR text here.

    • Max Nozin
      Nickel was used in early sonars. Could certain type of em stimulation generate ultrasound waves inside the reactor.

    • wpj

      Rossi has now been asked about this again today and says the reactor was pure alumina, in contrast to DW’s statement.

      • SG

        Andrea Rossi
        March 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM

        The reactor tested in the Lugano experiment was made by pure Alumina. We used Durapox to make the two caps ( the larger drums at the ends of the cylinder of the reactor ), but these drums did not contain any charge: they just contained the cablings of the terminals. The thermocamera was focused only on the cylinder of the reactor, made by pure alumina, not on the lateral caps, made by Durapox. By the way: the material the cylinder was made of has been analyzed by the Professors and resulted to be pure Alumina, as reported.
        Warm Regards,

        • Dexter

          This might explain one of the reasons Dewey Weaver has retreated. Quite embarrassing for IH camp.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          According to this document (and in contrast to what has been stated), Durapot 810 is based solely on alumina:

          There will be a filler which would likely not show up in the XRD analysis. So there is as least no discrepancy regarding the latter, as DW seems to indicate.

          Independently of these questions, the thermometry issues in the Lugano test remain on the table. Citing the Lugano report was probably not the best idea.

          • wpj

            801 is “pure” alumina. 810 may be a mix with magnesium oxide (think that I read this on LENR forum).

            Probable confusion between the two on someone’s part.

            As least, as said below, DW is no longer allowed to spout his vitriol.

            • Andreas Moraitis

              Check the data sheet from Cotronics. The one with MgO is 809. This has been mixed up at LENR forum, I think. 801 is indeed “pure” alumina, 810 is “based on” alumina, likely with addition of a filler. If there are differences in emissivity is unclear, but 810 might anyway look like “pure alumina” when analyzed via XRD.

          • Obvious

            The filler is almost certainly magnesia and phosphate. Zinc oxide is possible. These are common ingredients in thermally conductive alumina based potting compounds.

        • Obvious

          The camera was of course recording both of the caps and central cylinder. The whole thing was used to calculate the radiant power.

          IH made the reactor, so they certainly know what it was made from

          The caps do contain fuel, up to the plugs. One of the caps is where the fuel went in. The plugs would have to be over 4 cm long to keep fuel out of the cap area. The patent application shows the plugs, which are about 1 cm long.

          The patent application describes the alumina cement as being Durapot 810.

          The Lugano report says that the plug was made of alumina cement, as does the patent application.

    • Josh G

      I remember looking into this awhile back. If memory serves the real estate guy is TB Dameron II bu his son TB Dameron III has an engineering degree and is relatively young.

      • Veblin

        Thomas Barker Dameron, Sr. (1888 – 1974)
        Thomas Barker Dameron, Jr. (1924 – 2004) Doctor Orthopaedic
        Thomas Barker Dameron III (1950 – ) Realtor, Broker, Calimus LLC, IH International Holdings Limited
        Thomas Barker Dameron IV (1980 – )

        • Josh G

          My mistake about the III. But what evidence do you have that the engineer is the III and not the IV? I remember finding some info on the IV and seeing that he had a degree in engineering.

  • Domenico Canino

    How E-cat really works…

    Some Italian scientists on 22 passi think E-cat works like this: Take a cylindrical container of piezoelectric alumina, or quartz or barium titanate, which has the function od head for the emission of ultrasound (mechanical sound waves) to obtain nuclear fusion reactions (well described and tested in the studies of professor Fabio Cardone) in the dust of raw nickel located inside the cylinder in which there is lithium hydride and aluminum or even deuteride lithium and aluminum. In this cylinder there is also a resistance that raises its temperature to a certain threshold, in which the reactions are possible. But the fact of modulating the alternating electric current modulated pulses to some preset sequence, up to reach the trigger threshold of the phenomenon is not to drive the resistance for the temperature, which instead is kept constant, but for modulating the pulses of the head / cylinder for ultrasound emission. That’s why many replicators fail, they think that the secret is in the mixture of powder or catalyst, but instead it is in the container / ultrasound emission head. And that’s why no one can NEVER disconnect the AC, because it stops the ultrasound emission, which is the real secret of Rossi, but secret catalyst.

    • Monty

      That would make a lot of sense when u cross check it with the rather cryptic remarks of me356 about his tests.

      • Domenico Canino

        i am not a scientist, i am an architect, so a can only wait for experiments that confirm (or not) this hypotesis.

        • Monty

          I agree. Best evidence is a working reactor in a demo.

          • Gerard McEk

            …..And take you Ultrasound recorder with you?

            • Monty

              I don’t care what they use to excite the reactor. As long as it’s obvious it produces way more energy than ever possible by chemical reactions.

              • Gerard McEk

                I obviously agree with that Monty, but I also really like to know how it works and what is needed to get it working.

    • LION

      The important thing to understand is that there is always more than ONE way, it is important not to become rigid and fixated because it kills creativity.

      • Domenico Canino

        you are right, there is not only one way; but this makes a lot of sense…

    • Bob Greenyer

      Egely is part ultrasound.

      The Indian uses ultrasound.

      • LION

        Hi BOB, thinking of you and wishing you all the BEST.

      • Domenico Canino

        Hi Bob; in Italy prof. Fabio Cardone is using ultrasound in LENR from many years. He is the man who leads the research. I saw your redpill video. I think there are many interesting things to learn. But now we need experiment that really confirm that ultrasound is the key to make fusion of nucleus, together with the choice of the right powder and materials.

      • Adam Lepczak

        Domenico is raising an intersecting point. I was always wondering why there HAS to be a source of AC power for the reaction to continue. Is it possible to do experiments with such setup soon? MFMP should try it with the dogbone reactor.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      What is “piezoelectric alumina”, is it some special form of alumina which is piezoelectric? I did not know that such exists.

      • Domenico Canino

        You may read some text on: The piezoelectric effect in ceramic materials.

        • Adam Lepczak

          Replicators: take notice. Domenico Canino is hitting us with some knowledge. I was guessing electromagnetism – but it could also be the ultrasound. Actually: wouldn’t it be possible to achieve a similar effect on the material with electromagnets?

        • Pekka Janhunen

          What are you referring to? I didn’t yet find any claims that alumina would be piezoelectric. Surely one could find such materials, but the Lugano reactor was alumina.

      • Domenico Canino

        Replicators can find piezoelectric alumina here:
        But i remember to you all, that i am not a scientist, all the things i wrote come from the studies of Andrea Rampado on cavitation, and prof. Fabio Cardone on LENR with ultrasound;

        • Pekka Janhunen

          The linked company seems to make piezo products and alumina products, yes, but it seems to me that they are different products.

    • Max Nozin