Brilliant Light Power Developments: David Niebauer Interviews Author Brett Holverstott

In a newly released podcast, California-based attorney and abundant energy advocate David Niebauer, who is currently seeking to organize an ‘Abundant Clean Energy X-Prize’, interviews Brett Holverstott. Holverstott is a former employee/intern at Brilliant Light Power, and who has recently published a book about BLP titled Randell Mills and the Search for Hydrino Energy.

David Niebauer is also Vice President, Business Development & General Counsel for Brillouin Energy

Below are a few key points from the interview that stood out to me.

Holverstott states that he has found Randell Mills to be a really friendly and agreeable (and brilliant) person with a strong work ethic who likes to discuss topics of a high technical level.

Holverstott discusses Mills’ theory of the Hydrino, saying that it a hydrogen atom with an electron orbit closer to the nucleus than normal, forming a atom with a higher binding energy, which can be formed with a chemical or atomic catalytic process. He says Mills’ theory states that during this process, substantial amounts of energy are released (circa 100 times more energy than in hydrogen-oxygen combustion). He says that hydrino atoms can only be seen when they are being formed (they can’t be detected by spectroscopy because they don’t absorb or emit light), and during formation they emit extreme ultraviolet and soft x-ray light which is ubiquitous throughout the universe, He speculates therefore that the hydrino may be the most abundant state of matter in the universe.

Niebauer asks Holverstott to describe the current BLP device under development — the SuncCell. He says BLP’s breakthrough came when they discovered that shooting 11-12,000 of amps of current through a pellet containing water and metal powder created micro-explosions that broke bonds in water which allowed for hydrino formation, creating much more energy than is possible with any known chemical reaction. This experiment has been the basis of the SunCell. They later discovered that they could inject water vapor into molten silver electrodes and get a continuous emmission of light when high current was applied. Only about 1 percent of the light emitted is visible light; the rest is x-ray and ultraviolet.

Hoverstott says that currently BLP is working with two engineering companies (one is identified as Masimo Semiconductor) to develop the Solar PV system that will capture the light to generate electricity. They are hoping to reach an efficiency of 45-50 per cent conversion of light to electricity. In time they hope to make an refrigerator-size 250kW power source to use in the backup power sector, and they are working to line up early adopter and strategic partners.

The full podcast can be found at the following links:

I found the interview to be very interesting with both participants doing a great job of making the topic easy to follow. Holverstott has many years’ of active involvement with Brilliant Light Power and seems to be very well informed of the development of the company, and it’s current plans for commercialization.

  • Rossi Fan

    I did alot of research on solar panels back in the day I was building a house on the ranch. I threw in the towel and paid Southern California Edison $15,000 to connect to power. BLP picked the wrong technology if they claim that solar panels are going to harvest this light energy.

  • CWatters

    Am I correct in thinking that Hydrinos are the waste product of the BLP reactor? In which case why haven’t BLP sent some to a third party lab for analyses? After all it’s the key to their entire claim.

    Am I also correct in thinking that hydrinos should be lighter than hydrogen? After all energy and mass are equivalent?

    • Mack

      Yes, hydrino should be the only waste product from the Suncell. Like normal hydrogen they form hydrino molecules which do not absorb or emit light. Mills envisages that because of their small size these will diffuse out of the Suncell and being lighter than air will escape to the upper atmosphere. They shouldn’t harm the environment because the extremely tight molecular bond means they don’t react chemically with other matter. Being unable to absorb or emit light they shouldn’t have any negative effect in the upper atmosphere, either escaping to add to the dark matter of the Universe or perhaps being re-ionised by cosmic rays.

      Due to size and ability to diffuse through matter, hydrinos are tough to capture and store but can be trapped in getters and Mills has done this and formulated a series of tests (such as NMR, TOFSIM) to detect them and their properties such as rotational and vibrational energies that show peaks not assigned to known matter. Several third parties have been prepared to endorse these observations. Rather than set it all out here I’ll provide a link to this page from the author of “Randell Mills and the Search for Hydrino Energy”:

      Technically hydrinos SHOULD be be lighter than hydrogen but not by much. The Suncell converts H into H(1/4) which releases a total of 204eV. This is tiny compared to the total mass/energy of the proton and electron 938.79MeV

  • Rossi Fan

    So I was doing some research online about this dark matter that Mills claims might be the source of the BLP light. First off, our entire 3D reality is based on light. Shut off the sun and turn off the power plant and flashlights and stars and it will be pitch black dark. So how does a blind guy deal with reality without light? He uses a long white cane with a red tip. Feels around. This is here that is there. Sound also helps him gauge his surroundings. It is safe to say that light constitutes our 3D world. Without it we assume things are not there. Like dark matter for example. Now if there is such a thing as dark matter how about dark light? I’m thinking maybe the light is there all along we just can’t see it. Something these guys do makes it visible.

  • CWatters

    Wouldn’t it be easier to convert the UV light to heat/steam and use that to generate electricity rather than use solar PV? PV isn’t very efficient so a lot of heat will be wasted.

    • Rossi Fan

      Google “Crescent Dunes”. Crescent dunes sets up a 2 mile diameter of 2D mirrors in order to focus light on a single 0D point in order to heat salt in order to generate the heat/steam you talk about. That’s a radius of 1 mile. So, either this BLP contraption has some super-duper solar panels or they are working on a proof-of-concept prototype. Something to show that their system can produce more energy than it consumes.

      Your question leads to two more questions. BLP already has all that light energy focused from a single point. 1) Why don’t they just melt salt with it on-the-spot instead of rebounding it off the walls of their contraption? 2) Won’t the solar panels melt? They probably use COTS (common off-the-shelf) panels which aren’t meant for this type of setup.

      • CWatters

        I think solar PV is <20% efficient so the other 80% is going to be converted to heat anyway?

        • Mack

          Concentrator triple junction PVs can have an efficiency around 43%. These can handle a range of “suns” and are usually more efficient the greater the number of suns. Most heat engines (including the internal combustion engine) produce a lot of waste heat. Mills is building the prototype with cheap 10% efficiency cells for proof of principle that he presumably doesn’t mind trashing and if they work, his supplier Masimo semiconductors plans to swap those out for off the shelf 20% efficient cPVs in the short term. Optimisation will hopefully lead to the full 43%+ efficiency using expensive triple layer cPV. Mills plans on using existing radiator technology to cool the cPVs.

          There is some suggestion that materials that reflect longer wavelenths of light back to the blackbody radiator (ie photonic crystals) could be incorporated for higher efficiency and reducing the heating of the cPVs.

          Electricity is highly regulated in most countries. Mills is looking to create a distributed model that is small enough to be rolled out and put in houses and cars where everyone in the world can have access to their personal, cheap source of electricity charged via a daily lease fee instead of by the kWh.

          I don’t know the answer as to whether the Suncell could be used in a heat exchanger system but perhaps the glowing superheated graphite shell at 3000 K would fail if immersed in water or molten salts. Hopefully we’ll know more at the updated demonstration in a few days.

  • Rossi Fan

    Where do you see energy being created from matter in BLP’s system? Some guy from BLP has a theory that it might be dark matter that is causing the light. He says the spectroscopy backs it. He is not sure.

    Smaller radius also means less time to orbit. Low earth orbit period is about 90 minutes. Geosync orbit period is 24 hours. Let’s talk exposure to gravity. If we were talking about matter one could say that the stronger gravity for 90 minutes is as significant as lower gravity for 24 hours. However since we are talking about light, the L in BLP does not stand for matter. Exposure to light over 90 minutes will give the satellite less of a tan or sunburn and exposure to light over 24 hours will give the satellite more of a tan or sunburn.

    Take a step back and ask yourself what is this contraption of theirs really doing? Take a look at my spiel about The Right Stuff on this thread. In effect they are doing a reverse E-Solar. They are transforming light energy from zero dimensions (a point) into light energy in three dimensions (a volume). Then they set up solar panels here and there, which capture the light in two dimensions (a plane).

    • Rossi Fan

      Then again I could be wrong. Light is a funny thing. It is both a particle and a wave.

      • Rossi Fan

        Then again you could be wrong.

        You’re driving to work at 7AM and the sun is super bright.
        You flip the visor down. The annoying light is gone.
        You flip the visor up. The light is intense once again.

        Did you just create LENR that can be easily controlled? Of course not silly. The light was there all along. You merely adjusted whether or not you can see it.

        It’s like trying to see a hole in an apple. You can’t see a hole no matter how much you try. Try to look at everything around the hole and the hole becomes visible.

        We are here on the LENR forum working hard to figure out the source of the light. We may never know. But it might not matter.

  • Rossi Fan

    Or a rocket that pushes it either faster forward or slower backward.

    Either way I think we are missing the big picture here. I added a little something about the Right Stuff recently on this web page I maintain…
    In a way the DVIS is a physics experiment. When I worked at Imaging3 I realized how we take 3D reality for granted. We act like we are entitled to it just because it is all around us we do not think of it as being created or maintained. When you run the software that creates 3D images from 2D input you come to value our surroundings. Now BLP claims that they are getting all this energy from the other side. Dark matter they refer to it. Who knows, maybe it’s a scam but I have been on the other side of accusations and I am willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt as long as it’s not my money.
    To understand dark matter and what might be on the other side of the Stargate I think that first you need to walk before you can run. You need to understand the relationship between space and energy. What is 0D, 1D, 2D, and 3D reality? What makes it stable? What makes it fragile?
    Go outside during the day. Look up. Feel the sun. Now think, how does E-solar take that little bit of heat and turn it into as much energy as a nuclear power plant? It’s not smoke and mirrors if it works!

  • Mack

    Geosync orbit is not quite the same but it may not be too bad an analogy. Imagine your spacecraft in a stable orbit with a constant velocity. The craft activates thrusters on its nose and its speed slows. It can no longer maintain that orbit at that speed and the radius of orbit decreases. At the same time its velocity will increase as the gravitiational potential energy is converted to kinetic energy and the velocity of the craft increases the closer it gets to the gravitating body (until it achieves a lower stable orbit or, more likely, crashes into it)

    Mills theory models the electron as an extended two dimensional particle that is real but dynamic (it’s not a probability wave and it changes its geometry under the influence of external fields). As an extended particle it can be undergoing acceleration around the proton but be stable (not emit radiation).

    When a proton captures an electron, the 2D electron which resembles a disc in freespace (the absence of external fields), deforms into a sphere which Mills models as an infinite series of great circle current loops of spinning mass/charge. From that motion he derives the real basis of spin and the proton and electron sphere form a resonator cavity which can absorb and emit specific packets of energy (photons) which is the observed basis of quantization. The 2D nature of the orbitsphere prevents the self interaction argument that plagued earlier spherical models.

    As you would expect the photons trapped inside an orbitsphere affect the interactions between the nucleus and the electron. When the ground state absorbs a photon that creates an excited state, the photon physically exists inside the electron shell and reduces the central field of the proton. This causes the radius of the electron to increase. In the spaceship analogy it would be as if the gravitational field of the Earth was reduced causing the the spacecraft’s orbit to increase even as its velocity was reduced.

    The “ground state” is the first stable state to radiation where the mass, charge, spin and velocity of the electron structure balance out the central field of the proton. It can’t get closer to the proton by emitting photons.

    BUT according to Mill’s theory you can destablise the “ground” state by a transfer of energy based on resonance instead of photon emission between the H atom and the catalyst (which is ionised or disassociated by the transfer of energy. You can look at this a number of ways. It could be described it as creating a trapped photon that INCREASES the central field of the proton by an integer value based on multiples of 27.2eV. You could also think of it as coupling between the H atom electron and the catalyst as removing negative elements from the fields between the proton or electron that results in an increase in the positive field.

    The consequence of this increase is that with the resonant transfer of 27.2eV the electron at the ground state radius reacts as if it was surrounding a nucleus with a charge of 2+. It is no longer stable and the electron undergoes an increase in radial acceleration which causes it to emit radiation as continuum radiation (which Mills observes) as the radius decreases while the kinetic energy stored in the electron also increases.

    I appreciate that some of these ideas are hard to grasp, especially if you have been raised believing QM is absolutely correct but the fact Mills can use his theory to simply calculate the ionisation energies and radius of every electron up to 20 electron atoms and ions using only integer values and fundamental constants would indicate that his approach is correct. In contrast QM can’t calculate anything other than hydrogen accurately and it doesn’t account for what spin actually is.

    You can find Mills’ spreadsheets where he does this here

    Hydrinos fit the characteristic of dark matter and moreover Mills has characterised a number of reproducible tests on hydrinos trapped in getters that seem decisive. Once formed, it may be dark matter but there are tests that can detect the vibration and rotation and intranucleur distance between the hydrino molecule and they don’t match any other known matter.

  • Rossi Fan

    Perhaps Geosync orbit is not a good analogy. In space there is a vacuum. If the satellite travels at a certain speed all is hunky dory. Stays in geosync. If not it either returns to earth or shoots out in space. Depending on how much energy is applied. There is no heat involved in a vacuum.
    By metal bar I meant what you refer to as spherical shell. Something that harnesses the orbit and prevents it from changing. It is my understanding that orbits of atoms work that way. They are in a certain orbit and cannot change easily without giving off a huge amount of energy.
    Our 3D reality is very fragile in one direction, very stable in the other. If we speed up an orbit fast enough it falls apart and disintegrates. If we slow it down nothing happens, except excess energy which is not really noticed because of the theory of relativity. If the government prints money inflation will even things out and the money will be the same before as after the printing only more or less money will be present.

  • doug marker

    Thanks for keeping us appraised of BLP related stories. I would have perhaps missed this interview had you not publicized it. Doing so is a valuable service much appreciated.

    Having listened through the full podcast, they touch on some of the important claims and aspects of Mills work. Naturally everyone wants to know if Mills is on to something or if he isn’t. As with all potential and realized revolutions, – it is difficult for a layman to know those that are going to be real vs unrealized.

    From my own perspective, the hope is that this change will be realized this year. What we need to see is BLP demo (and let us hope it is in 2017) a SunCell generating electricity with a substantial gain over the input driving power and a device that remains stable over a healthy period.

    My assessment is that BLP made their 2nd greatest leap forward in productizing their SunCell, when they discovered they could do away with the Tungsten / Molybdenum electrodes they were trying out in earlier versions. The solution of directing two electrified streams of molten silver at each other to trigger the required arcing was such a remarkably simple and inexpensive solution.

    Let us hope the photo voltaics people are as clever at building their arrays.

    What boosts my confidence greatly was that MIlls came up with a theory 1st, worked on expanding and refining it, then using his theory conceived of the hydrino process. In my mind he has demonstrated remarkable insights and managed to explain in intricate detail almost all of his process.

    One still tricky bit is conceptualizing the resonant coupling energy transfer idea. It seems too good to be true but from what is said, is already well understood and emerging as the basis for other technologies.

    To me, these are again exciting times.

    Doug Marker

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      optiongeekFeb 13 8:10 AM
      Dr. Mills,

      Last month you demonstrated a unit with the control system regulating the overall reaction rate. The next logical step would be, I believe, sealing the unit and operating in closed mode, possibly outside of a controlled environment of the glove box. This is obviously a *huge* step and requires a number of previously untested units to be integrated and work together – e.g. the cooling assembly, the containment shell, etc. Can you give us any idea of the nature of the engineering challenges you may have uncovered in this step. Have you discovered any issues that might require significant re-engineering in order to get to the alpha prototype?

      Randy MillsFeb 13 10:59 AM
      I will address that on the next roadshow.

      • doug marker

        It seems sensible to want to maintain a steady set of demos in 2017 that show the maturing SunCell unit.

        It will boost BLP and MIlls to show steady progress demonstrated in this manner. Stable predictions. The most important demo IMHO will be when BLP eventually (2017?) show the device can generate electricity of an output that is commercially viable.(vs consumed input energy).

        Then it is a matter of getting working early versions into commercial use. By then I expect the world to be watching.

        Doug Marker

  • Rossi Fan

    > electron orbit closer to the nucleus

    I think the exact opposite is the case: electron orbits farther from the nucleus.

    Consider a satellite in geosynchronous orbit. It orbits at a set speed. We can increase the velocity or decrease to get further or closer from/to the planet. This additional push keeps it in geosynchronous orbit and prevents it from returning to the nucleus. Only problem is we are out of fuel. No gas stations out in space. Oooops! Where do you think this satellite will go? Inward or outward? Eventually it will get closer and closer to the planet and there will be a fantastic explosion as it collides. The natural course of events if one does not add energy is inward not outward.

    Let’s say there is a metal bar that keeps the satellite a given distance from the planet. Can’t get closer can’t get further. Let’s say you just stocked up on fuel and can accelerate or decelerate using your rocket engines. As you slow down the force toward the planet or nucleus will increase. As you speed up the force toward the planet or nucleus will decrease. Slowing down has a limit: you stop orbiting and stand still. Speeding up has no limit. Well maybe the speed of light.

  • Jimr

    It”s not looking good at all. I would be interested in the number of full time employees ,other than himself, .are working full time on the Ecats with him. I estimate no more than four, I still think he is in finaincal trouble and needs the IH dollars, the problem is even if he were to win it would only be about 45 mil after att’s take thier share.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Sometimes we choose to believe what feels more pleasant to our minds.

  • Brett

    Small correction: I believe I said chemical and atomic catalysis, not nuclear. No nuclear reactions being implied. Thanks for the reblog.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks, Brett. I will fix that.

  • Jimr

    A little off topic also, not only is BLP having some problems, but Rossi has admitted that he has delivered no 1 meg plants since the end of his year long test.

    • Jas

      Its obvious that Rossi was joking. Look at 2. and 3. Rossi gets one of these posts on his page every couple of weeks.
      He must despair at such rudeness!
      Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
      You know my opinion?
      1- you did not ever deliver any 1 MW plant after the end of the test with IH
      2- no 1 MW plant ever existed
      3- retire!

      • Jimr

        I have followed Rossi for seven years and I have never heard him lie, even kiddenly about a question, He .will evade the question, answer it ambiguously, or not answer it.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    A little off topic:

    William Happer, is in the running to be President Trump’s science advisor.

    I’m fine with his position on the global warming stuff but he did trash Fleischmann and Pons in 1989. (at 14:14 min.)

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Ok, President Trump should talk with Happer when it comes to the climategate thing but he should also give George Miley a call to talk about Heavywatergate.

    • Professor William Happer is a smart man, and if cold fusion can be 100% proven, which it is not, he will support it. I would like some government aid for cold fusion research, but the best ideas usually come from private research anyway.

      The US media is stonewalling the latest NOAA climate data faking scandal. It is pathetic that we have to read real news from European newspapers. TV, of course, blocks out anything that goes against their religion.

      Here are three quotes relevant to climate change enthusiasts. Do they sound like science or religion?

      1) “Because the idea of climate change is so plastic, it can be deployed across many of our human projects and can serve many of our psychological, ethical, and spiritual needs.” — Famous English socialist climate change advocate, Mike Hulme

      2) “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” — Former Canadian Minister of the Environment, Christine Stewart

      3) “The challenge I think we have is for some reason climate change has become a religion — a politically induced religion instead of science fact that now we have to embrace and move forward on.” — Former EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy

      • TVulgaris

        1)- The idea of justice is AT LEAST as plastic, or the idea of Fact (the abstraction of data, rather than raw data), or a host of other concepts- plasticity of an idea should be valued. Of course, that plasticity increases opportunity for the misapplication as well as the appropriate application of those ideas
        2)- This is not a statement that climate change is “all phony”, nor any assessment of anthropogenicity- but if you have any counter to her immediate conclusion, why don’t you include it?
        3-There’s an entirely valid dispute with both sides that do not have sufficient evidence to support any rational determination of reasonable action (McCarthy was referring to embracing the challenge, not the politically-induced fervor) .

        I’ll freely admit I could be wrong, but I’m trying to see the down-side of me reducing consumption, recycling EVERYTHING I reasonably can (sewage in town is awkward, but not at all a problem in the country, along with pretty much ALL organics), reusing and repurposing with a vengeance, working at implementing sustainable alternatives myself…and I don’t see a down-side to emissions-trading when it produces overall emissions reductions at acceptable rates (industries everywhere constantly realize the ROI on decreasing waste, increasing efficiency, and incorporating sustainable measures). The ultra-rich are going to extract all the wealth they can out of the system, this way at least the environment isn’t degraded as quickly.
        And there’s not a speck of evidence ANY progress away from the established powers in the energy industries will be made by the federal and state governments in the next four years (I suspect it will be at least 12 before the pendulum swings back towards rational support of human values outside of business economics- and just given what’s gone on in the past three weeks, probably never- either Drumpf gets his whimsical way with the nation, or he gets removed through impeachment, forced resignation, or assassination- and the ensuing chaos is the trigger for the institution of the right-wing “paradise”.
        There is quite a bit of evidence businesses outside the Tier 1 energy, manufacturing, finance, agro, and tech (and even some of them) will pursue the positive development away from carbon fuels and the damaging business models and practices that keeps us teetering on the edge of truly massive social unrest, widespread war, etc.- but I’m not sanguine about whether they’ll be successful enough in the face of opposition.
        There’s NO evidence Drumpf will implement any support for programs that won’t directly benefit his brand- and he’s heavily invested in carbon fuels both financially and emotionally. You can kiss hot fusion bye-bye for at least another 20 years past any resolution of technical problems for that reason, and that’s a decades-old initiative. LENR doesn’t even enter into the calculations in such a scenario.
        He also seems hell-bent on war with Iran and almost surely China (triangulating with Putin on the second is obvious, but the first escapes me…)- the military would certainly make tremendous strides in deploying these technologies, but then again, it would 12-20 years before they would relinquish control to general usage.
        After all, “terrorists” with enough money and intelligence could use this to endanger “America First”, with a fusion device…as they’ve done with “dirty bombs” (oh, wait…), and bio-threats (oh, wait…), and chemical attacks (oh, wait…). It couldn’t possibly be certain billionaires who might be the real threat…

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Yes, we all know that the climate change stuff is a scam. We don’t need Happer to tell us that.

        Would he support LENR?
        This is what I was thinking about.
        From page 49 of Frank Close’s 1991 book Too Hot to Handle.
        “…Tritium is an essential fuel in thermonuclear weapons; it is also a product of dd fusion – the very process that the Utah chemists claimed to be able to make happen inexpensively in a test tube. The US military were already spending vast sums on making tritium for warheads and the
        reactors that were used for this process had been closed, pending
        repairs, in 1988 as a result of nervousness about reactor safety
        following the Chernobyl accident. The repair and building new reactors
        would cost billions of dollars, so when test-tube fusion entered the
        scene the military took note at once, recognizing the potential of
        test-tube fusion as a source of much-needed tritium. This sort of
        application of test-tube fusion also impressed Indian Government
        scientists who decided that western nations would soon classify
        test-tube fusion as a secret; thus India mounted an immediate test-tube
        fusion research effort so as to ‘get in on the ground floor’….”

      • Alan DeAngelis
      • Alan DeAngelis

        Nuclear and high energy physicists seem to be unaware of the
        fact that phenomena in materials are not always as reproducible as are
        phenomena in their field. Transistors are a good example of variability in
        solid state devices.

        -Brian Josephson

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Alan DeAngelis

      Happer had no qualms about trashing F&P’s lives.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      and Pons were “incompetent boobs”. What a jealous upstaged prima donna.

    • atanguy

      Yep! William Happer fits perfectly with the others members of this administration. Who cares if competent scientists say that climate change is real? The difference between ignorance and stupidity: One is curable.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Competent scientists don’t say that climate change is real.

        • atanguy

          Right,if you think that W.Happer is competent, as he showed it with F&P…
          About the movie produced 10 years ago:
          Carl Wunsch, professor of Physical Oceanography at MIT, is featured in the Channel 4 version of the programme[This movie]. Afterwards he said that he was “completely misrepresented” in the film and had been “totally misled” when he agreed to be interviewed.[7][31] He called the film “grossly distorted” and “as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two”,[32] and he lodged a complaint with Ofcom. He particularly objected to how his interview material was used:

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Thanks for the link.

    • Alan DeAngelis


      Mallove talks about what a threat F&P were the to big science
      power brokers. President Trump must drain this part of the swamp.

      • atanguy

        “President Trump must drain this part of the swamp”
        No chance! Look what he does with the Dakota pipeline, talk about a dirty swamp…

  • sam
  • Bob Greenyer

    one wonders, if the bulk of the cost is the solar cells – why not make a FAR CHEAPER version for providing space heating/lighting & hot water with just enough solar to capture the drive energy – or just take some grid energy and do away with the solar cells. There is a massive swathe of the northern hemisphere that would appreciate the minimum 50% waste heat.

    It seams to me that the solar component is a hugely unnecessary complication which is expensive to boot.

    They actually have that bit already built – why wait until you have the solar cells – pointless for many applications.

    • Job001

      Far cheaper will happen best with a well engineered for manufacture design that will permit excess power to go to simple resistive heat uses if that is needed locally. Certainly massive acceptance on many levels; Practical, efficient, economic, legal, safe, environmental, and scientific represents issues better than fast and cheap.

      Exceptionally well engineered and scientifically vetted will assure those levels cheaper than a short cut version could. With all the pain this hydrino theory guy has experienced, he has an excellent team in place to do it right. Do it right works best.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Not suggesting to skimp on the engineering for the core – just do a de-coupled version where you can fibre pipe the light and fan / fluid distribute the heat. The methods to do this are well established.

        • Axil Axil

          A value added system’s integrator can easily take the waste heat produced by the SunCell as either hot are or water and implement what you suggest, it BrLP would only allow it. The SunCell is owned by BrLP and modification to its structure is not allowed.

          It may be possible to put the SunCell in a plenum that can capture the waste heat as hot air and distribute through a hot air duct system without changing any part of the SunCell.

          • doug marker


            This is a sensible approach – ‘value added systems integrator;’ does the R&D for an alternate device configuration.

            Doug Marker

    • Dr. Mike

      I think that once the prototype SunCells are built and it is found to be difficult to get much more than about 50KW from the system BLP will be carefully looking into all of these other uses for the core. It will be a difficult task to develop CPV cells to collect light from a 3500K blackbody radiator at the current system geometries. Also, scaling up the size of the core should be much easier if the goal is to primarily produce heat. I’m fairly convinced the solar cells for initial demonstration will be ready by the time BLP gets there core running, but long term I believe most systems will be built for heat rather than direct generation of electricity using CPV cells.
      Dr. Mike

      • Bob Greenyer


    • doug marker


      Fair ideas but I am sure the BLP executive and the Mills team have given a lot of thought to how they want to see the several hundred million invested to date, used. No matter what path they choose someone will always claim there is a better one.

      The electricity generation strikes me as being 100% smart as their 1st goal. Get that working and proven *then* look at what else can be done *and* having got the most important capability operational and stabilised, farm out alternative ways to exploit SunCell energy generation to business partners who can carry that R&D burden.

      Doug Marker

      • Bob Greenyer

        Most electricity production goes though steam.

        This could be seen as complicated to obfuscate – but of course, BrLP have the right to deploy their device as they see fit.

        • doug marker

          With a new and unproven technology that is at the same time being called fraud by many other scientists and observers, the choices become tactical as well as practical. The world understands electricity.

          BLP can’t cart around a steam turbine to each place they run a demo.

          The SunCell attracts immediate attention because of its small size. So, the combination of size & instantly useable electrical power is immediately obvious to even a layman.

          Mobility is an enormous area of the market. BLP are addressing this possibility up front.

          Cheers Doug

          • Bob Greenyer

            They need one, just one closed loop system as a proof.

            The rest could work in a range of ways.

            • doug marker

              Fair comment
              – I think they are close to that 1.


              • Bob Greenyer

                It is sad to see inventors pre-think where an invention could be used and dictate its form. Of course it is their right for 20 years from priority, but thank god for fixed and reasonable patent lengths.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Brett Holverstott misses, in my view, and as I explained in my “Looking into the SunCell ™ with XRay eyes ( taken down due to BrLP complaint to YouTube ), the key role of nano silver particles condensed from the silver plasma / vapour in the downsampling of EUV/Soft X-Rays into viseable by way of SPP on these formed nano silver clusters / films.

    Having said that photons of a few keV could be thermalised by a defined thickness of Carbon.

    • LindbergofSwed

      Do you think your team can reproduce what BLP is doing, sometime in the future?

      • Bob Greenyer

        There is a certain simplicity to SunCell(tm) design – of course it may be possible – but we are stretched for time and resources and we have a full schedule of things we have planned and also want to do. If their claims of near commercial delivery are followed through on this time, our energies would be better spent on what we are doing as SunCell will be “available in the market”

        • Omega Z

          Besides, Mills has his own secret processes.

          Thus the same issues arise as with Rossi.

    • Axil Axil

      If what you say about silver nanoparticles condensed from silver vapor is true forming a dusty plasma as explained by George Egely, then the maximum temperature that the carbon dome will reach is about 2200C. This temperature is under the minimum black body operating temperature required to drive the solar cells. This is why this solar cell based SunCell design will fail.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks David.

    • Job001

      Trace water.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Possible. Citation?

    • Dr. Mike

      If one assumes that the Mills theory of hydrinos is correct, is it possible that most hydrogen was in a hydrino state after the initial creation of the universe?
      Dr. Mike

      • Ged

        If so, the next question would be how did it get out of that state en mass?

      • Mack

        MiIls’ theory suggests an eternally expanding and contracting Universe over 1,000 billion year cycles. He bases this on the relationship between the expansion of spacetime by matter creation and its contraction when matter is converted back to energy. The rate of conversion of matter to energy determines the rate of expansion and his theory was able to predict the accelerating expansion of the Universe in 1995 in his hardcopy GUTCP book, three years before that unexpected finding was confirmed by astrophysicists.
        The theory suggests that neutrinos play a crucial role in this cycle, with one type of neutrino combining with a gamma rays during contraction to form one type of neutron which decays to a proton, electron and neutrino- explaining matter/antimatter asymmetry.
        All hydrinos therefore started out as hydrogen but the majority of hydrogen has been converted during the contraction phase as well as ten billion years of expansion (his calculations) which is why most of the mass of the Universe exists as dark matter, which Mills predicts are hydrinos.
        To complete the cycle, Mills also suggests that hydrinos in their genuine ground state (ie hydrogen at 1/137 the radius of normal hydrogen) can capture a neutrino and decay to gamma rays.
        It is only a theory of course but it has a certain simple elegance to it. Also a recent study has claimed that the Universe is missing a source of ionising UV radiation that should be four times what is observed to form our current Universe. It is possible that hydrinos are the missing source which gave off UV light as they were converted to hydrinos and then effectively “disappeared” as dark matter. See:

        • Dr. Mike

          Thanks for the summary of this portion of the Mills theory. I will look further into his theory- very interesting!
          Dr. Mike

      • Bob Greenyer

        for that to be true – the “EUV and Soft X-Rays” reported to be seen everywhere would have to be from the birth of the universe and not from subsequent hydrino formation.

  • LindbergofSwed

    Thank you, now I finally understand what they are doing and what a hydrino is.