# A Picture to Explain e-capture (Gerhard Hunf)

The following post has been submitted by Gerhard Hunf

Some metals (Pd, Ni, ..) or their metal alloys “solve” large amounts of hydrogen, based on adsorbtion and absorption.

Adsorption is here seen as a kind of loose chemical bond between metal and hydrogen – on the surface, while the absorption is a deposit of hydrogen in lattice cavities.

It is known from investigations (DE 10 2008 047 334 B4) that adsorption of hydrogen on the surface of Pd/Li-alloys leads to an RT-Superconductor( Pd/Li/H) on the surface.

Inspired by. Fig. 3 from https://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.0139v1.pdf , the same picture of current-flow results when the massiv Superconductor – in Fig. 3 – is replaced by a superconductive coated conductor.

The result is a strongly different electron density in the environment of absorbed hydrogen in lattice cavities (for conductor and superconducting layer). The electron density in the conductor / superconductor interacts with the shell electron of the hydrogen, which is pushed by the repulsion of similar charges towards the nucleus. At a current density of 10exp6 A / cm2 in the superconducting layer, e-capture occurs.

Gerhard Hunf

• hunfgerh

The middle part (material) in the model could be:-

A normal conductor, a solid superconductor, a superconductiv-coated normal conductor

The electricity could be:- DC or AC

What is the picture for the current distribution?

-Normal conductor / DC = distribution as in the model on the right and left

-Normal conductor / HF AC = distribution as in the middle of the model (skin effect)

-Massive superconductor / (DC/AC) = Distribution as in the middle of the model (Skin effect)

-Superconductiv-coated normal conductor / (DC/AC) = distribution as in the middle of the Modell (Kirchhoff)

I hope this is correct, I am not an electrical engineer.

Important for the electron capture theory is only the last case

• hunfgerh

When I look at the picture, I see an electrical coupled with a magnetic component. Could it be possible to use both at the same time? The electric field for e-capture, the magnetic field as an induction source. E-cat / X-cat?

• hunfgerh

Put this (Original)

„Verfahren zur Herstellung hydridischer Raumtemperatur-Supraleiter auf der Oberfläche von Substraten“

Into the google translater, you get that:

“Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”

And not the nonsence

“Process for the preparation of hydridic room
temperature oxide superconductor on the surface of substrates”

From where comes “oxide superconductor”?

• Zephir

Please note that during some cold fusion experiments the strong magnetic field has been observed – such a magnetic field could be explained only by bringing the material into superconductive state with strong eddy currents in it.

• Zephir

The problem of the above explanation is, the superconductor doesn’t require any magnetic field for its formation – on the contrary, the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. In dense aether model the superconductivity is the result of multiple effects, which have their origin in low-dimensional transport of electrons (whereas the cold fusion is explained with low-dimensional collisions instead).

The electrons within superconductors behave like the repelling balls squeezed through narrow pipes – due to their compression the mutually repulsive forces of electrons overlap and compensate mutually, so that the motion of electrons becomes inert to motion of another electrons and also obstacles. The mutual compression of electrons leads into their wild motion and formation of massive de-Broglie waves around them, which further increases the above effect with entanglement of electrons.

But in general the superconductivity effect is rather classical one and it can be modeled with plasma crystals for example. It can be also observed at quite high temperatures:

Regarding the radial component of electron motion proposed at the above picture, I’m not very sure, if it corresponds the reality until the energy density of current remains low. The electrons gain the velocity component parallel with direction of their motion instead.

• Zephir

In general, the thin layer of superconductor is not needed, because the electrons are itself expelled toward surface in higher current densities due to magnetic field formed. Such an arrangement just brings the saving of superconductor material, but it can be also achieved by placement of bulk superconductor inside the magnetic field.

• hunfgerh

With the patent ““Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”, as
the name says, only superconductors can be generated on surfaces. That was also the point I would.

In the P @ F experiment the reactions take place on the surface. To understand this was the only reason for my work.

• atanguy

“the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. ”
From the second link that you give below:
(LENR) reactions may be enhanced in the presence of either an external electric or magnetic field,
How do you explain this contradiction? superconductivity not necessary for LENR?

• Zephir

Of course – which cold fusion system is actually superconductive? In addition, most of cold fusion reactors operate better at higher temperatures, whereas superconductivity does the opposite. Articles of Gerhard Hunf or Axil Axil are just pushing here models based on particular behavior – but the corelation doesn’t imply causation.

• hunfgerh

Superconductor are determined by 3 parameters

Sc = critical current density, Hc = critical magnetic field strength, Tc =
critical temperature

If you follow critical my articles, in the case of hydridic superconducter I say always Tc 120 oC

Again, a difference to you, I want to understand P @ F, not Rossi, Parkhomov, MFMP…..

!End of discussion!

• atanguy

What you say is that there is an e capture at 120 C in the F&P system with an exothermic “isotope shift”. For which element(s)?

• hunfgerh

For all Hydrogen-Isotopes, if Sc >= 10exp6 A/cm2 and T < 120 oC in the superconductiv layer.

• Andreas Moraitis

Maybe he meant neutron activation of the Pd as an expectable side effect (see Table 1, p. 16 here: http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5000&context=rtd ).

Possible decay products of the resulting unstable Pd isotopes would be Rh, Ag and Cd (via 111Ag). Both activation and transmutation should not be difficult to detect.

• hunfgerh

Your comment shows again the complexity of this topic. Simple answers, cannot given. Scientific responses can only come
from an interdisciplinary team of chemists, physicists and electronics, who have special possibilities of synthesis and analysis. This is only possible in state and industrial research facilities.

Articles/Comments here, I see as a “brainstorming” for decision
analyzes what should be investigated and put into practice.

The question arises, how should courts – Rossi vs IH – deal with this complexity?

• artefact

On JONP:

“Andrea Rossi February 6, 2017 at 7:28 PM
JPR:
Not considering the recent stop, we are at Sigma4.
Warm Regards, A.R.”

• Pekka Janhunen

Which journal is “DE” in “DE 10 2008 047 334 B4” ?

• artefact

I think it is a german patent.