New Scientist: Cold Fusion is Back

Thanks to all who have mentioned a new article by Michael Brooks published in the New Scientist magazine titled “Cold Fusion: Science’s Most Controversial Technology is Back” The subheading reads: “The claim to have tamed the sun in the lab was debunked 25 years ago. So why are governments and investors now pouring money into it again?”

I think Brooks has done a commendable job in this article in reaching out to a wide variety of sources in the article, and describes a field that is attracting the attention of serious researchers, despite the tainted reputation of cold fusion. He mentions the ongoing legal dispute between Rossi and Industrial Heat, but looks at other developments in the LENR field as well.

The full text of the article is available in the print edition of the magazine and to online subscribers at this link: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130910-300-cold-fusion-sciences-most-controversial-technology-is-back/ I have been able to read the full text of the article, but can’t repost it all here due to copyright restrictions; however some of the key points and some quotes are below.

Graham Hubler of the Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance at the University of Missouri: “We’re convinced there’s some sort of energy source here … I wouldn’t have taken this job if I didn’t feel that way.”

David Nagel of LENRIA: “The results are out there, and people are ignoring them.”

Joseph Zawodny at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia says that research is to validate the claims via independent replications and a testable theory, but the ongoing controversy surrounding Rossi’s E-Cat is making funding hard to secure

Woodford Investment Mangagement admits that LENR is a high-risk area, but they state: “the evidence we have seen to date, coupled with the potential market opportunity, suggests to us that it is an area that is worthy of further investigation.”

The author says also that the report on LENR that the US House of Representatives requested from the Secretary of Defense will be delayed.

  • Michael Z Freeman

    We’re winning. Now the thousands who read New Scientist (129,585 in 2014 according to WP) will know about Ecat/lenr and the one’s who want to bury the whole thing are losing. Viva la Revolution !

    • Stephen

      I hope a few percent at least find their way here. And some of them participate and raise there ideas and thoughts. So the subject is properly discussed beyond past pre conceptions. That could lead to a exponential improvement in understanding of real LENR and diffusion of those real ideas and experimental results supporting LENR into the wider population. Perhaps one of them when they think about it has the key that clarifies the whole field.

      If some are already looking here. I’m glad you are here. Take your time to read everything like I did a year or so ago and enjoy the ride 😉

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Waiting patiently for the low temp reactor with 50+ COP to go on sale to a customer willing to share

  • http://www.freerepublic.com/~jim/ _Jim

    Behold the power of INFLATION. I have been observing its power since the seventies, and if a country can remain productive in the world, there may be no limit to what can be ‘inflated’ away in terms of debt.

  • GranFaloSentado

    After nearly six years of smelling this snake’s oil I can assure this is nothing but pure bullshit. It’s a pity, I expected so much.

    • georgehants

      Gran, science shows quite clearly that snake oil etc. is proven through the Placebo Effect to be very effective in fighting many illnesses.
      ——
      While treating wounded American soldiers during World War II, Henry
      Beecher ran out of pain-killing morphine. Desperate, he decided to
      continue telling the soldiers that he was giving them morphine, although
      he was actually infusing them with a saline solution. Amazingly, 40
      percent of the soldiers reported that the saline treatment eased their
      pain.
      http://www.brainfacts.org/sensing-thinking-behaving/mood/articles/2012/the-power-of-the-placebo/

      • Bob Greenyer

        Maybe they had low electrolytes from fatigue on the battlefield before they incurred their injury.

        I nearly died from low electrolytes once in India, so much pain for 3 weeks in my interstitial rib muscles that I could not breathe effectively without pain – could not lay down to sleep without agony – had x-rays, to see if I had pneumonia. I started to loose consciousness and hallucinate one day and at that point, since I had drunk plenty of water, I guessed it must be all the heat in the past weeks had left me saltless.

        5 minutes after drinking a WHO electrolyte pack I became clear headed – 20 mins later all my pain had gone.

        When I was provided army rations in the cadet force on training exercises, I was told that if I did not eat anything else, I was required to eat my salt tablet – I realised why when I nearly died because of lack of salt.

        Indians drink salty lassy (salty yogurt drink).

        • georgehants

          Bob, many thanks for that, just a link showing the known science of the Placebo, much more to learn of course, unfortunately many closed-minds as with Cold Fusion do not help with increasing knowledge.
          ———
          “The” Placebo Effect Proven?
          A recent study, as reported in the New Scientist,
          purports to catch the placebo effect in the act using functional MRI scanning. This is an interesting study, and does for the first time show a neurophysiological correlate to reported placebo decreases in pain reporting.
          http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-placebo-effect-proven/

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is no doubt that the placebo effect is a real one, that is why it is always used in responsible medical trials since humans want to feel better, when asked, they may be better, regardless of treatment and if the *think* they have had treatment they wish they feel better so they can actually just be more positive about how they are feeling – it is subjective. Bacteria etc. on the other hand are either there or not.

            The issue I have is that often in say injectable antibiotic, antiviral, antidepressant and pain relieving trials the placebo is saline solution, which, as is well known, may have the ability reduce pain, reduce fatigue and improve mood and mental agility simply because neurons, muscle fibres and other cells in the body are not having to work so hard to perform their function and communicate – part of that function is to deal with disease, pathogens, malignancy. Just like when a family is poor it has to deal with the groups core survival and can’t deal with external demands, so I believe the body at every level works in the same way. Give the body what it needs to best deal with a medical condition and it’ll do a good job of fixing it.

            Disclosure: I worked for SmithKline Beecham (now Glaxo SmithKline) over 3 years at their antibiotic factory / antiviral research centre in Worthing in UK at the start of my working life.

            • georgehants

              Bob, again thanks for input, it is an effect almost entirely ignored by medicine today, we could learn much from Which-doctors and Shaman through out history but reductionist science still unfortunately rules.

              • Bob Greenyer

                On the subject of the use of psychedelics by Shamens to deal with ‘demons’ or to help people with their creativity / understanding of what is possible and their place in the universe – it is a terrible tragedy that these enlightening rituals have been legislated out of the so-called “free world”.

                In India, Asia, South America, parts of Arabia now and almost all cultures before deep control structures develop, psycho active materials (not narcotics) are an important part of human development.

                When all a person can think about is paying their bills and what they need to put on facebook next – coupled with numbing the tediousness of day to day living with a vice of their choice – creativity and insight collapses.

                Truly free minds can think, one of the few options left in the “free world” is meditation – but modern life gets in the way of creating the peace of mind in order to achieve it.

                Steve Jobs was a fanatic about meditation

                I say – “think free to free think” that can’t be taken away by those that want us in voluntary servitude.

                • georgehants

                  Bob al I can say is that we live in the same World.
                  Best wishes

                • psi2u2

                  Ayahuasca is bringing them back.

                • Gerald

                  Isn’t it we want us self to be servitude?

                  We follow nature laws to join the biggest group to survive. The sad thing this equilibrium sucks at the moment, we have lost normal capabilities like creativity because of all the social markers we have to achieve.

                  I notice more and more people try to get out of the biggest group and try to change the egoistic equilibrium at the moment, my hope is LENR will tilled the balance and not some idiotic battle that costs to much.

                  To be honest I am sceptic, not of LERN that exists but of the biggest group adapting and the biggest ape giving them the choice to adapt.

                • Gerald

                  Funny, I started spotify(my meditation) and the first number starting playing was another brick in the wall.. 😉 I didn’t choose it, it was in the weekly offered songs.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        My mother was a nurse – Born in 1930.

        She noted that while placebo’s can work (as the body can produce endorphins etc.). She also noted that after a fairly short time these people were BACK IN HUGE PAIN while those who received real pain killers were most happy and pain free. She said such treatments were MOST cruel since in a relative short time such patients were in huge suffering.

        So no one’s arguing that a placebo effect exists, but when you put the real beef down – without pain killers you going to have pain.

        So there not some voodoo magic occurring here. If some tribe has a magic rock that you place on your forehead to make you feel better and the pain go away?

        We can conclude several things by logic:

        #1 Well, for a short time natural pain killers and pain fighting systems in your body can kick into gear – but the results over a given time frame will be limited.

        #2 if the rock really does treat the pain, then some chemical are leaching from the rock into that human.

        Same goes with saline.

        Adding fluids to the body can help many forms of pain. Just ask anyone with a
        HUGE hangover. And often soldiers are rather dehydrated from time spent in the battle field (cold lack of food and fluids – and injuries makes this even
        worse). Be it dehydration or a bad hangover (which is much the same thing),
        large amounts of aching pain can often be eliminated by adding fluids to the body.

        The idea that because your body can fight pain is a rather poor excuse to withhold drugs to someone in pain. Like most socialist voodoo thinking people, the issue is using our logical mind and intellect to evaluate and PROCESS such information to make a valid and intelligent decision on the given information.

        The issue is not can bodies fight pain – but for how long and how long one will ignore the fact that someone is suffering.

        Withholding pain killers is a cruel treatment – particularly since the body can only fight such pain for a relative short time. But then again this just shows the state of silly thinking in society – they take some information and make rather horrible conclusions.

        The correct course of action is to help those people experiencing suffering and pain. Some treatment based on a placebo effect is not the solution and answer.

        Of course I not surprise that you would bring up the placebo effect in a LENR discussion – it speaks much about your thinking process in general.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Gerald

          I think the body is desiged to fight a lot of problems shortly. Pain is a good thing to kickstart the body to make usefull chemicals but the effect is not usefull for the long run. The body has a limmited capacity of dealing with problems. I’m glad we can help it now somewhat by adding those chemicals/medicine. With the placebo effect maybe you can fool the mind giving some extra, but no way you gonna win the battle with it. Saline is like oil to keep the engine running and prevent futher damage. If been a lot in hospitals lately, not for myself and i’ve seen what pain medicine can do.I think its not human not to use it, we have the means to extend the periode of fighting problems, let use it and let it be as less painfull it can be. It has no use to have pain after a few hours, the body has done its thing by then. But its my humble opinion.

    • Omega Z

      After nearly six(ty) years and 10’s of Billions of dollars, They still haven’t achieved COP>0. It is always 20 years away. Possibly ITER will never be completed as nations are pulling our of the project.

      • MasterBlaster7

        Stop looking at ITER as a future energy source Z, and start looking at it as a pure science project. It will eventually be analogous to CERN…and hot fusion is definitely an area of legitimate scientific inquiry; If only to study the internal processes of stars.

    • bkrharold

      The current dispute between Rossi and IH which has apparently delayed development of the ecat is very disappointing, but they are not the only ones working on this technology. There is little doubt in my mind that Pons and Fleischmann the original researchers, stumbled on to a previously unknown phenomena by accident, and it is real. Even though it has been difficult, many people have now successfully duplicated the effect. It is apparently very difficult to control and commercialize this technology, but I believe that it can and will happen. A great deal of work has been done by intrepid researchers who have published some of their work, and some of the conditions required to initiate the reaction are now public knowledge. Somebody will finally put all the pieces of the puzzle together.

  • georgehants

    Could I ask again for any explanations for why Mr. Rossi, having published nothing that can be replicated to confirm his claims, is seemingly so confident that no other Researchers in the entire World are not going to publish first and completely put him out of the picture?

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Perhaps Rossi feels he does not have to. Who knows?

      I not sure Apple publishes papers on how their iiphones perform either – likely they feel they don’t have to or it not worth their time.

      Rossi done public demos – the public 1MW plant demo in 2011 was impressive.

      As Rossi has said over and over – the only real verification is selling products – quite much like any company that exists today.

      There are tons of papers on LENR, I not sure some paper by Rossi will change much – but selling products will.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • georgehants

        Morning Albert, would suggest reading my comment again and then having another try at actually answering my question if you wish

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Why are you not trying to answer the question then? Why is everyone else here responsible for answering your question and not you?

          And I did answer your question. The fact that my answer is not to your liking is really you just pouting like a 12 year old.
          I said Rossi may well not feel it helps his case to publish some paper – I really don’t know – who could poossbile know but only speculate?
          However, I did give an example of Apple and how just about every other business on the planet functions. So to answer your question, simply look how near every business and human on the planet functions when trying to introduce a new product – they typically don’t publish papers to bring such products to consumers.

          What your answer then if you so big on demanding answers from everyone else then? Why are you passing the buck to everyone else then? Why such a double standard here? (typical socialist hypocrisy)

          Explain to everyone here how typical business bring a product to the people then?

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • georgehants

            Evening Albert, would suggest you read my comment again and then have another try at actually answering my question if you wish

    • http://www.freerepublic.com/~jim/ _Jim

      Same question, same answer: Rossi owes you nothing.

      Hey – maybe you can riddle ma an answer why HOT Fusion has not delivered?

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Just to clarify the prediction: who buys the securities that Saudis would sell?
    In some sense, any prolonged economic growth period is usually at the end a bubble, and it resembles a pyramid scheme.

  • Axil Axil

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/committees/calendar

    For Thursday, September 22, 2016

    LENR is not on the congressional schedule.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Wrong again Roseland.

  • Axil Axil

    The bottom line reason for governmental interest is as follows”

    ““strong national security implications”. Highlighting too the interest of Russia, China, Israel and India, it suggested the US could not afford to be left behind, and requested that the Secretary of Defense provide a briefing on the science by 22 September. Cold fusion …”

    The congress does not want to be embarrassed when all the DOD budget is made ineffectual by a technology that DOD says does not work. Getting elected again is the bottom line, Protecting their butt from embarrassment and negative headlines is what drives Congress.

  • Mike Henderson

    Umm. It isn’t cold fusion. The reaction region is quite hot, but measured in nanometers. When averaged over the bulk of the material, though, the mean temperature is quite low.

    • akupaku

      That’s the smart part of it. Makes LENR more easily usable and controllable. Nanoscale suns producing energy. ;o)

  • Gerard McEk

    It is surely interesting that a dominant magazine like New Scientist brings such a positive article about Cold Fusion. Many economists will want to know more about the signaled ‘pouring money into it again’ and this may also trigger an even wider intrest. Because the benefits and economical power are potentially vast, no country should want to be left behind and funding for reseach will slowly and first secretly be directed to universities and reseach institutes. At the same time (energy-) companies will try to buy know-how and secure IP before the breakthrough news hits the media. Interesting times are ahead!

    • Zephir

      Wired and New Scientists popsci journals was always relatively positive about cold fusion and frontier research in general.

      • giovanniontheweb

        scientist by definition is a free soul, none is answering the call today, too bad.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Right, this has been going on for years.

    • giovanniontheweb

      winter is coming and magazine offices will have to keep warm at resonable price, point of view shifts with temperature

  • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/100002656573372/ Ian Walker

    Hi all

    “…The author says also that the report on LENR that the US House of Representatives requested from the Secretary of Defense will be delayed…”

    Ah either Sifferkol is correct about attempts to delay or we are talking a short wait for the President to announce as an October Surprise.

    Kind Regards walker

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Or the report is just not yet ready.

      • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/100002656573372/ Ian Walker

        Hi all

        In reply to Pekka Janhunen

        And a perfect reason for the report to not be ready is…

        Kind Regards walker

        • Pekka Janhunen

          My point was: sometimes a delay is just a delay.

          • sam

            A comment from Lenr forum.
            AlainCo
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            Tech-watcher, admin
            An hour ago
            Delayed answer probably mean they will not say “Cold Fusion is debunked as we always stated”…
            it mean they prepare a better answer than
            “we have been screwed by mindguards who disinformed us, and prevented us to get the good information, despite our suicide navy comando among Which Pam Boss and Richard Kidwell. sorry next time we will use our brain.”

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Means some duped administrators at DOD are scrambling

          • psi2u2

            True, but in this case intuition leads me to support Ian Walker’s suggestion. I bet on the October surprise from Obama.

            • Pekka Janhunen

              psi,Ian: I could agree with you both, intuitively. I wrote my comment mainly just for completeness and nitpicking’s sake, because Ian said either..or. Mundane possibilities exist, how likely they are is another question.

    • Bread and butter

      Hello Ian, I have not seen this with my own eyes, but according to what I consider rather credible sources, at least one US Gov Institution have already mastered direct electricity production from CF technology.

      You will have to take this as a rumor for now, I can not reveal more information.

      Have a nice day!

  • Jarea

    i don´t like the Joseph Zawodny comment about Rossi. I think Rossi has done much more positive for cold fusion than negative. This independently of the fact that his eCat device works or it doesn´t. work Just with the news and tests that he has done he has attracted a lot of investors.
    I think Joseph Zawodny should just work by his own and try to find some funding and not press down Rossi. Just my opinion.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Agreed, that comment was untrue and unnecessary. Probably was relatively harmless, though.

    • bfast

      I so agree with Jarea. Rossi single-handedly raised LENR from the dead.

    • Zephir

      Zawodny is just an author of one completely vague patent with no experiments published. Many observers – including me – consider his “research” merely a spin cycle to attempt to clean the NASA hands of past suppression http://pesn.com/2012/01/13/9602010_NASA_LENR_endorsement_spin_cycle_to_clear_past_suppression/

  • Warthog

    In other words, nothing has changed. The “hot fusionists” maintain their lock on successfully denying federal funding of LENR research, while spending billions on hot fusion.

  • Ciaranjay

    Ooops.
    After a generally postive article New Scientist has had to nod to the establishment with a negative leader comment;
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130912-300-cold-fusion-is-better-left-out-in-the-cold/

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      Meh. The main argument is that it’s all so speculative that taxpayers shouldn’t fund research into it, rather than the standard ridicule.

      But really it’s a stupid argument. The question of whether LENR could provide humanity a new, abundant and radically inexpensive source of energy could be answered with, oh let’s say $100M (to be wildly generous… more like $10M would do it). $100M is a ridiculously small drop in the bucket given the USG budget and the potential ROI is astronomical.

      Worst case you get some useful new materials/nanoscale science R&D out of it.

      It’s a budgeting no-brainer. As a US taxpayer I’m actually furious that my money hasn’t been spent on this research.

      • Bob Greenyer

        SARC ON/

        LENR G, for the US to ask their citizens to fund this research @ $100m a year, they would need to demand 30c from every man woman and child in the country – that would mean every family would have to forgo a combined equivalent of 1 can of soda a year, why don’t you think of the children. Besides, given the national debt in the US – can this really be afforded given all the ‘commitments’ in other theatres around the world.

        Perhaps it would be better for a corporate with huge untaxed cash piles to secure a monopoly on the IP than see a pesky government body open this up for the betterment of the planet and its organisms.

        /SARC OFF

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Right, there had to be a concerted effort to delay, delay by “unknown forces”.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Did it ever go away?

    • Mats002

      Early 1989: CF is here!
      Late 1989: It is nothing there!
      2010: Is it something there?
      2016: It is something there!

      So yes – it didn’t go away.

      This time I hope the question mark is gone for good.

  • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

    Also interesting in the context of the lately released news about the state funded experiments in japan:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3751

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3789

  • bfast

    “The author says also that the report on LENR that the US House of Representatives requested from the Secretary of Defense will be delayed.” Hmmm, just a thought, could it be that they don’t want an LENR splash to complicate the election? Nah, they wouldn’t be that considerate. Could be that they think LENR would favor Trump, so they don’t want it out. Just free associating.

    • Ewin Barnett

      LENR renders the war on coal moot, Will LENR become the zero-carbon backup for expensive wind and nocturnal solar? No, why ruin many square miles of landscape when all the power you need comes from that little building over there? LENR destroys the green energy lobby with all its Solyndra-scale graft and influence peddling. LENR is worse for environmentalism than conventional nuclear power.

      • US_Citizen71

        While at the same time it destroys the fossil fuel lobby and countries that thrive on fossil fuel production, only the anarchists win! 😉