Bob Greenyer Reports on MFMP Activity at Aarhus University

This comment comes from Bob Greenyer who is now at Aarhus University in Denmark

Hi – it has been a punishing week – I have given lectures to rafts of post-docs/PhD student, meetings with professors and with 10 different Danish industrial representatives about Live Open Science, the MFMP and LENR. Been very well received and have successfully defended in front of Chemists, Physicists and the head of the Nanotechnology centre.

I have been able to advise from the understanding of LENR how projects can move in new directions that take on board the science of LENR.

There is a synchotron which could be of use. I have met several researchers that can do synthesis of catalysts and study of surfaces with a range of high-end techniques and over the next week I’d like to try and define the experimental plan for the coming period.

I have also had extensive meetings and 2 half day tutoring sessions with the Masters student that will be a constant in the work at Aarhus, he is Norwegian and I will properly introduce him in due course.

I have also taken an interview by a respected journalist at a Copenhagen based science publication that is considering running an article on Open Science and the planned MFMP experiments at Aarhus.

Moreover, we have been approached separately, and before we announced the Aarhus collaboration, by a group of researchers at a prestigious German institute that want to conduct experiments with us, more on that later.

  • psi2u2

    I disagree because your summary does not do justice to her smarmy tone and refusal to listen to or play well with others. Numerous indications over the years have contradicted “Mary”s beliefs. Does she acknowledge them? Not so far as I can tell. When she can have a civil conversation with Bob Greenyer and keep up with his knowledge then I’ll join her fan club. Until then, as of now – no thanks.

  • psi2u2

    Maybe now he is. That would be smart.

  • psi2u2

    Having followed the discussion for some time, without ever paying TOO much attention to him/her, I’m just suggesting that his/her perspective looks more and more ridiculous with each passing day. We may still not know for sure how far down the path Rossi is to commercialization, but Yugo’s primary assumption, namely that LENR can’t be real, gets disproven with more convincing evidence each passing day.

  • Omega Z

    MaryYugo/Hody attacks everyone, Brillouin, Mills of BLP, NASA, SPAWAR. They are either Frauds or Dissolutioned.

    The Focus is Rossi only because Rossi is the most discussed but anyone that hits the news is a Target.
    In the Past, MY has even attacked Industrial heat/Darden…

  • Omega Z

    It’s not so implausible. Consider it is not a single Internet alias but a small organized group. It’s just a matter of contacting the right people and making the right statements to detour them. No body wants bad press and attention.

    It’s known that on at least 1 occasion a few years ago, a couple dozen people had an advertisement pulled. Of course the networks thought it was 10’s of 1000’s and growing(Magic of the Internet)

    A single Internet alias using an offline alias was able to instigate at least 2, maybe more investigations of Rossi for working with nuclear materials. 2 of those situations have been discussed here at ECW. 1 in North Carolina and 1 in Florida.

    • psi2u2

      Yes, based on my own experience on another topic, while Mary Yugo of course sounds ridiculous making that phone call, organized pressure groups, which may include individuals somewhat less deluded and more influential than Mary can impact, or at least materially threaten, the development of “outside the box” programs.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe the undergraduates could have some fun turning the heat of a dog bone (assuming that can be replicated) into work by retrofitting one of these mini turbojet engines. Not necessarily to fly it but run it on a block with an externally reactor.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY1JrWt1BHQ
    Something like this.
    http://www.prometheusturbine.info/flowchart_atomic_bomber.jpg

  • psi2u2

    She already changed her spots. Once upon a time LENR was as impossible as Rossi.

  • Bob Greenyer

    There is a lot of people, can we start with number 2 on your list and hopefully the results will do the telling.

    • roseland67

      Bob,
      It is my hope, as a lifetime engineer,
      Husband & father, that you succeed
      And maybe even someday, I will be smart enough to understand it.

      Godspeed

  • Bob Greenyer

    Not sure what you mean, did you understand the results and implications of the GS 5.3 and 5.2 experiments?

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/519-the-cookbook-is-in-the-signal

    have you seen Bob Higgins Neutron detector developed as a direct result?

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/526-bob-higgins-open-sources-affordable-corona-discharge-neutron-detection-system#!ModeratorDimensions

    Are you aware that we have purchased isotopic elements to help define the process?

    Did you see the [old] summary that concluded that the science is real and is nuclear

    http://goo.gl/xzNPCd

    Rome wasn’t built in a day and the New Fire is not some deterministic discipline like computer science, it is discovery and it cannot necessarily be scheduled.

    • Tobben Heibert

      I mean, why is there still no concrete evidence that LENR really works when it is constantly claimed major advances in technology that many claim to be holders of already functioning apparatus

      • psi2u2

        Read the report in the link. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MosierBossinvestigat.pdf You are wrong.

        • Zephir

          Wrong or not, Toben Heibert is not alone with this feeling – it’s my stance too.

          • Axil Axil

            As a LENR theoretician, you should have more confidence in the validity of your own thinking. Not so sure, hay?

            • Zephir

              In science you can be never sure with anything, Axil: the right scientists are always doubters. But we even don’t discuss the science, but the subjective perception of progress in research of LENR. In my opinion, it rather stagnates in recent year, despite the generally positive (yet still unverified) E-Cat reports.

  • http://www.animpossibleinvention.com/ Mats Lewan

    Just great Bob. Looking forward to sum up MFMP’s role in an upcoming 3rd edition of my book one day!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Mats – hopefully we’ll have a whole bunch of interesting tales to tell.

  • Axil Axil

    Does a Leopard change its spots? MaryYugo has called universities that were ready to sponsor LENR research in an attempt to kill the relationship in the bud. Let us hope the this new relationship is strong enough to withstand Mary’s FUD assault that is sure to come. If she has done it once, she will do it again,

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      Hody can only do his damage through the internet, so it might be a good idea for Bob to do business privately (or at least keep personal/institutional identities secret for the time being). I think most followers will understand if he only reports online when there are results that need to be disseminated.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Our science is done open, our relationships are nurtured less brutally. When people see enough of the evidence and the quality of the authors and the strength and the consistency of the science and its relationship to natural observations – they are sufficiently inoculated to the ravings of the pathologically sceptical.

        That is not to say that they stand behind what they learn, but that they, like the MFMP are ready to open minded sceptics – able to understand the value in testing the claims and following the evidence.

        • georgehants

          True, honest, open science, that Bob has confirmed as a priority, is to help those in most need and protect the natural Worlds rapid destruction.
          A joy to read of such caring people giving their time and effort freely for us all.
          My spiritual prayers are constantly with you.

          • Gerard McEk

            I totally agree George!

    • psi2u2

      I predict Mary is losing influence. O wait, that already happened….

  • psi2u2

    Bob, congratulations on all of these accomplishments. You and the MFMP are becoming along with Mats Lewan the Johnny Appleseeds of LENR.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks – I will pass on your appreciation to the team. Thankyou for your unstinting support.

      I can say, when faced with very short notice to present in front of such high calibre people, having lived and breathed the field actively for 4 years now (rather than just observation), it was easier than I thought to put across compelling arguments. I think there will be some thinking going on.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I hope there will be many more like it to come.

  • Bob Greenyer

    On Monday, the MFMP will get together to try and thrash out the experiment schedule – I hope that you will all join with us in the planning phase as if we can’t get funding to extend beyond December, we need to make sure we make the most of this opportunity.

    We’ll keep you updated.

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

      Hi Bob,

      if we can help in some way, we could also try to inform people over at LENR Forum.
      There are often very theoretical and interesting discussions (apart from the IH vs. Rossi FUD discussions…).

      Great work!
      Keep going 😉

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks barty, Kim told me you reached out to him and I walked him through the value of your excellent forum. Do not fear the discourse, LENR Forum will be a important historical record of the madness of those that can’t or will not see that science is changing, investment models are changing and there is a wonderful gift of nature LENR that is nuclear and we need to be ok with that as it is what powers and constructs the universe.

        As I said above, we’ll be proposing experiments with the potential to elevate the field in the wider public consciousness there are barriers we need to overcome to deliver some of them but I hope that the community can get behind the vision and help us break them down.

  • Mats002

    Bob and all; see this recently published paper that was linked at egoout (Peter Gluck) today:
    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MosierBossinvestigat.pdf

    Is this not an official vindication of Fleischman&Pons by a US scientific agency? It is a strong indicator of what to expect september 22 in the white house hearing about LENR!

    • Mats002

      After overwhelming scientific evidence of both excess heat and all kinds of nuclear decay, they end the conclusion at page 87 with:

      “The implications of this statement are that both SPAWAR HQ and SSC-Pacific say that the phenomenon is real and that it is nuclear in nature.”

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yesterday, an emeritus professor at Aarhus sent this to me!

        Whilst it is dated now, it is great this is now finally public as it makes pretty clear that in the opinion of experienced researchers, the New Fire is real and it is of Nuclear origin – I’d like to see what the report is later this month.

      • SD

        That quote you posted is referring to the statement I pasted below, which I find does NOT imply that the phenomenon is real or that it is nuclear in nature. Only if you read it with a biased mind.

        “In response to your recent query,” Fallin wrote, “while I won’t discuss details of
        our internal decision-making processes, I will confirm SPAWAR plans no further
        low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research. There are other organizations
        within the federal government that are better aligned to continue research
        regarding nuclear power. We have taken initial steps to determine how a
        transition of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research might occur.”

        • Ged

          What do you mean, SC? The quote you have posted there is just about the research transferring from SPAWAR to another division geared towards nuclear reseaech. The federal government and military have several such divisions and they are quite classified affairs.

          • SD

            What I meant:

            The report’s interpretation of that quote is:

            “The implications of this statement are that both SPAWAR HQ and SSC-Pacific say that the phenomenon is real and that it is nuclear in nature.”

            I agree with your interpretation, I disagree with the report’s interpretation.

            • Ged

              Ok, I see what you mean. Indeed, for that aspect, the report is making a bit of a leap, though it is fair to say “nuclear in nature” since that is what that quote directly states as their reason to transfer research. Which, then implies they see it as “working” to some level if there is something nuclear (power) related occurring.

              • SD

                I think this might be why they interpreted it that way. However, I think they are just saying that the research is regarding nuclear power. It doesn’t mean they have a phenomenon. Just because you are researching LENR doesn’t mean you have seen LENR happen.

                • Ged

                  Except, why transfer the research to nuclear power divisions if you don’t have clear evidence it is nuclear power related research? They would never do that. I have personally worked with a people from the Army side of nuclear research, and they don’t play around. If they didn’t have some sort of cause (that is, if they didn’t know it was nuclear from some sort of evidence, which is why SPAWAR was researching to begin with), the research would have stayed at SPAWAR and been the end of it. That doesn’t tell us magnitude though, just that they thought it necessary more nuclear equipped divisions took it on. Though the quote also references SSC-Pacific.

                • SD

                  What you are saying has much more truth in it than “SPAWAR says LENR is a real phenomenon”.

        • Mats002

          Hi SD, I cannot see it your way,

          • SD

            IMO all Fallin is saying is that SPAWAR is transferring its research to another organization that is better suited to do research on nuclear power. Where does that quote imply that the phenomenon is real?

            • Ged

              They could only do that if something nuclear was seen or confirmed. But doesn’t tell us more than that.

    • SG

      Look at the last page. It took about two years to get all of the signatures to release it. Just wow…

    • psi2u2

      O wow. Yes it is exactly that. From the conclusion:

      The implications of this statement are that
      both SPAWAR HQ and SSC-Pacific say that the
      phenomenon is real and that
      it is nuclear in nature.”

  • sam
  • Rene

    The big step is getting scientific academic researchers to understand there is phenomena, sometimes hit and miss, that needs deeper understanding. Once they enter into the conversation (meaning they take it seriously enough to investigate and publish), the rest happens quickly. It looks like you have kindled the new flame for the new fire. Thanks, Bob!

    • Bob Greenyer

      There is genuine excitement – is very satisfying to see a near 70 year old professor, come back a day after my presentation and excitedly ask deep questions that clearly show that he has been thinking on the subject and wanted to know more.

      He said, if there is energy and clear transmutations, then he said everybody should be researching it… of course I said..

      NONE of this would have been possible without the support of our small community.

      • Mats002

        I give you the LENR hero song, worth wathing:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-msutN_OkU4

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks, pretty good for a EV entry!

          For me, Alan, Skip, Mark and Bob Higgins are the real heroes this year

          • Mats002

            Agreed! They do the core business – I am full of admire of what they achieved.

  • Stephen

    This is fantastic news. Really great Bob. I know that was challenging and took a lot of courage but the voice of LENR is being heard now. You are the guy for that. Its really a big step forward for the recognition and acceptance of LENR amongst the kinds of minds who can really help move it forward. The proverbial goose that laid the golden egg was starved imprisoned, chopped up and hidden. But you have found its egg and shoved it in to forward thinking and curious academic fire, as frightening as that may sound maybe that’s what we need maybe we find that infact it’s not a goose egg painted gold as some have tried to say but really the egg of Phoenix!

    Wow a synchrotron at your disposal. On top of everything else alreadY there wow. That could be really something!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Toys!

      I’d like to try to use whatever they can make to test affordable muon detection. Already we have demonstrated that converting a useless GMC320+ with a ludlem tube makes it useful (Alan Goldwater) and created a practical neutron detector (Bob Higgins) having Muons covered is critical now.

  • Zephir

    Frenetic activity still doesn’t imply results, though – these usable the less. Whole the mainstream science is full of diligent people, who just somehow ignore the really useful ideas and experiments. What we actually got from MFMP during its lifetime? Where we could read about list of existing results in concise form? Why the me356/Quark X experiments weren’t attempted to replicate yet?

    • Gerard McEk

      Only the fact that MFMP intruded the academic world is already a triumph. Be patient and be glad Bob has sacrificed a part of his life to get LENR into the world. Al least he does something!

    • Mats002

      Hi Zephir,
      You asked three questions, here are the answer to the first and second: http://magicsound.us/MFMP/MFMP_Research-August2016.pdf

      Answer to the third is probably that MFMP members are volonteers and depend on gifts from the crowd. What you ask for is in the plans.

      You disappoint me with those questions, Bob et al are true LENR heros!

    • SG

      Only me356 has the ability to release details of his high-COP experiment. He promised he would. Let’s all hope he follows through. But when these details are released are outside the control of Bob and the MFMP replicators, although I know Bob has a personal relationship of some kind (apparently positive) with me356.

      • Bob Greenyer

        He will, when he is ready – or we’ll be there first.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Having Mathieu tied up trying to save his employers business for 2 years and then loosing his lab was difficult for the project however we assisted more than 20 groups/individuals/organisations over the last years and one of those was me356.

      Some of our secondary goals are to demystify and educate on the New Fire and we feel we have done a fair bit of that.

      We are also happy to have built and maintained relationships with key researchers and been proactive in getting their research translated quickly for wider consumption.

      We are currently preparing a report on []=Project Dog Bone=[] and *GlowStick* series experiments which will be further extended for presentation at ICCF20 (accepted for oral presentation).

      Since we found x-ray/ gamma radiation of Feb 2nd (for the second time in our history) and then Neutrons in GS 5.3 – we were keen to get this information our to replicators and team member Bob Higgins has even gone to the trouble of designing a production class Neutron detector system and made it Open Source (not to mention his open source pressure regulator). In our opinion we had to step back and make sure we and others play safe.

      Additionally we took time to design experiments to test the leading theories out there and have secured the isotopes in order to do this.

      Hopefully you can play a role in helping to design and monitor the experiments we are planning during the rest of the year.

  • Gerard McEk

    Wow Bob, really good to hear this. May you inspire the youth and the physists around you and build a momentum to really discover and prove the LENR physics. All the good luck and be careful not to get overworked. Your family and us need you!

  • LuFong

    Keep lighting the new fire! I hope some funding comes through as well.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We’ll keep trying! Thanks!

  • Ophelia Rump

    No Pressure!

    I cannot imagine being in that position. They must have given your pot a thorough going over for cracks.

    • Bob Greenyer

      In two cases I was told around 4 pm, that I was going to do a big presentation the following day to a group. I had only 1 hour to author a presentation for the 10 industrial companies – talk about being thrown in at the deep end – but you know, I enjoyed it, what is great is that there is so much evidence now – things are getting easier.

  • Ged

    Oh dang, Bob, you’re turning into a science rock star now. Two universities independently courting your favor? My my my.

    Congrats on blasting through all those meetings and getting to present your case in a satisfying manner! That is so awesome to hear–presentations are tough, especially taking all those questions. But wow, what a whirlwind of so much going on. Sounds like an outpouring of support that could really elevate the MFMP research by lightyears.

    Also, synchotron. Oh man, ooooohhhh man. We need some evil scientist laughter and lightning to fully set the mood now.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Ged – but it is guys like you, who have tirelessly analysed data across the open community that has made this move forward.

      I firmly believe that in the not too distant future – there will be whole universities dedicated to the research of LENR / The New Fire – and I know the field is much more significant than the production of Light, Heat and Electricity.

  • Ciaranjay

    Brilliant work Bob.
    I suppose it is possible that LENR might be delivered by individuals tinkering in their garages, but after so many years it does seem that LENR is a technology that is difficult to master and understand. Surely a more comprehensive approach with a spectrum of knowledge, skills and instruments will make more rapid progress.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Well – we were already trying to democratise radiation monitoring due to the implications of our Celani wire / GS5.2/5.3 findings and had already planned experiments to try and get to the bottom of the process. This arrangement with Aarhus has taken since March to set up and we really hope we can make the most of it – we’re gonna try.

  • William D. Fleming

    Your efforts are appreciated. Keep up the good work.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks William, we’ll do our best.

  • roseland67

    Bob,
    Your dogged determination is quite admirable,
    And will hopefully be rewarded with a thorough understanding of the LENR cycle.
    Imperative that all of your contacts are included in your on going investigation.
    Somehow, someone, somewhere will find the key, maybe even you.

    Keep it at young man

    • Bob Greenyer

      Several things have dawned on me in the past months. I will share it all.