Rossi: No Further Black Box Testing

Andrea Rossi responded to a suggestion on the Journal of Nuclear Physics by Gerard McEk that Rossi do a black box test of an E-Cat plant with a well known testing company to shoe convincing proof that the E-Cat is real, and open up the large scale commercial market.

Rossi responded:

Andrea Rossi
August 12, 2016 at 6:37 AM
Gerard McEk:
At the dawn of the computer era only a small percentage of the persons thought that personal computers were going to become a product: most gurus of cybernetics thought that to bring computers to households was a ridiculous idea. To change the game have not been tests, but products in the market.
The tests we made have been sound, honest and made by experts and further testing will just be a loss of time for us and a mine of information for the competition. My goal is not to have high rate polls, because I have not to be elected on the base of what I say or shw, as a politician, I have to sell products. What I need are products, not papers at this point. The sole tests that are useful, at this point, are tests that we can make with full knowledge of what happens indide the reactors, to consolidate the technology in this R&D phase, not tests with black boxes to raise the polls positively. We already achieved the goal to be able to commercialize the industrial plants, albeit still in a pioneer-market context and are close to expand the industrial market for such industrial plants.
The answer to your question can be synthesized as follows: once our products will be in the market, everybody will be able to buy them and make all the tests he wants.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

P.S.
By the way, I am very surprised that on EW we got 55% positive: I thought that the positive expectation, after all the stupidities put around, could not be more than 10%, he,he,he.

I would like to see Rossi do the kind of test that Gerard suggests here. I do think that some kind of black box test would help his case in court. I think that there will be expert witnesses called by the IH team to try and convince the jury that there was no excess heat produced in the 1 year test and a working plant would certainly be strong evidence in favor of Rossi’s claims.

However, I don’t really expect it to happen before a commercial rollout. Rossi has always been concerned about losing time on testing that he sees as unnecessary, and in providing any possible advantage to competitors.

I think the best we can hope for is that one of the “pioneer” customers in this early stage of production will be willing to report on their experiences with an e-cat plant, but we can’t be sure that will happen, since we don’t know who these customers are or what their intentions are.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Install another customer plant exactly like the existing plant in Rossi‘s year long test, with both plants using the exact same materials. The heat supplied to the new plant will be by electric boiler. Have three identical electric meters set at zero. Electric meter 1 for the electric boiler and plant, electric meter 2 for the Rossi E-Catt and plant, and meter 3 for general building utilities. Pick the same amount of product (X) you will to produce from each plant. Start both plants. When X amount of product has been produced by a plant, shut it down, read the meter. When X amount of product is made by the next plant, shut it down, read the meter. Convert the meter readings to dollars of electricity used. Now, just like all of Rossi’s past tests you can nit pick until the cows come home, (secret wires, trick plugs, Rossi sabotaging the meters, hidden batteries etc.) but with the E-Cat’s 50 plus COP the money savings will be very obvious.
    PS This quote from you explaining why we do not have to worry about money interests gaining control of LENR, I would suggest is rather naïve, “maybe $100 in plumbing parts, $100 in controls, $300 in a few grams of specially treated readily available isotopes and some assembly, so anyone, anywhere could build their own reactor for any purpose without state, local, national governments even knowing.” We can also make our own gas, and break the oil monopoly. Good Luck.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdq37DLVd6g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO0rHl2DXlY

    • roseland67

      Bernie,
      Sound logic,
      Now, if Rossi does this and the results are what you indicate, would you purchase an Ecat based on these results?

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Yes, if I had an application. Would you take back all your negative pronouncements about Rossi and his E-Cat?

  • Bob Greenyer

    I think that is what a major player tried – I am verifying if that was achieved.

    • Eyedoc

      Who might that be Bob ?

  • Steve Swatman

    After reading down through this thread, I have come to the conclusion that Apco/academi and all the paid shills have come crawling out of the woodwork to earn their bonus’s.

    It seems that public interest requires as much negative commentary as possible, and all the old arguments to be rehashed to create some form of negative media influence, Mr Rossi must have quite a case!

  • Steve Swatman

    Of course I consider that, it might end up been like fusion 5 decades later hundreds of billions of dollars later still a possible for the future.

    However, my mom taught me, “if you cannot say something positive, stay quiet” in this particular there are way too many of you educated types, just throwing negative comments around, making accusations of fraud, creating negative connotation, in my opinion it is either childish, malicious, envy or paid shilling.

    if you were making good arguments, using real data and scientific experimentation to show Mr Rossi is a charade, a fraud, a fake, a lunatic dreamer, then maybe I would have more respect for you and your comments and the other commentors who come to the theater just to spoil the fun for everyone who came to enjoy the show.

    if you do not like the play and the actors you can leave the theater, but why attempt to ruin everyone else night out?