The Impact of the E-Cat on the LENR Field

Where would the LENR field be without Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat? It’s a question I’ve been pondering lately as the LENR world has been rather turned on its head with the recent news of the court case filed by Andrea Rossi against Industrial Heat. For me the interest in the E-Cat as a technology has always been more important than the people and companies involved. If real, this is an incredibly significant discovery/invention.

I had known about cold fusion for a long time, but hadn’t paid much attention to it since the Pons and Fleischmann affair, and until Rossi and Focardi came on the scene in 2011 I didn’t really think of CF/LENR as being a potentially commercially viable technology. While interesting results had been claimed by various researchers, it seemed to be rather an obscure field confined to laboratory experiments, with only modest levels of excess energy claimed.

The E-Cat changed that for me. Because of the early experiments in 2011 showing kilowatts of excess energy being produced I began to consider LENR as technology with the potential to have a profound impact on the world, and this has kept my interest ever since. E-Cat World has been published for over five years now. I did not think when the site was launched that after five years we would still be waiting for E-Cats to be distributed into the marketplace — but here we are.

However, although it’s been a long wait, speaking for myself, I still think there is very good reason to expect good things from the E-Cat in the future. But even without the E-Cat itself on the market yet, there has been a definite resurgence in interest in the LENR field because of Andrea Rossi’s work. There are groups and individuals working in the commercial sector, and in the open source arena who have been motivated to try and replicate the E-Cat, or something similar. I don’t doubt that there are others working in secret as well.

It’s interesting to me that all this activity is taking place despite the world of government, science, industry and media largely ignoring it (publicly), or dismissing it as foolishness. LENR is still very much in the underground of the internet. If E-Cats start to go on sale, and especially if the E-Cat QuarkX can be shown clearly to produce significant amounts of heat, light and electricity without energy input, I think the level of interest in LENR would increase dramatically, and even greater efforts will go into replicating the Rossi Effect — or trying something similar, perhaps even better.

Without the E-Cat coming along, I think that the field of LENR would still be a rather quiet place, with much less activity and interest than there is now, and with barely any commercial prospects. We don’t know what the outcome of the Rossi/IH court case will be, but I think the E-Cat will be shown to be a viable technology regardless of legal rulings. As things stand now, I think we could well be on the threshold of a revolution in energy technology because of the E-Cat.

  • Added a new analysis on the Weaver comments on lenr-forum. Mainly he is now separating the IP transfer issue completely from the MW test; focusing on spinning that Rossi is obliged to transfer more IP. Wonder why? …

  • sam

    A comment from Jed from EgoOut.

    Jed RothwellMay 10, 2016 at 12:25 PM
    You wrote: “One of our colleagues here who seems to have excellent connection with IH now reveals now says that he knew from them – from months ago- that the !MW plant has never, ever produced a single Watt of excess heat!”

    Again you have distorted the facts. I did not say anything like that. I said that during the test, experts from I.H. and elsewhere told me they were not happy with the calorimetry. I said — repeatedly, very clearly — that I was hoping the problems would be fixed and that I.H. and Rossi would agree on the results. I was hoping for a positive final report. That is why I agreed to take part in Mats Lewan’s symposium, which was predicated on a positive report.

    Unfortunately, as you see in the I.H. March 10 press release, they did not reach agreement:

    Then, in the I.H. response to the lawsuit, I.H. said:

    “Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success.”

    They told that means the 1 MW reactor does not produce excess heat. They disagree with Rossi’s conclusions. They think his calorimetry is invalid. I was not aware of this conclusion until this press release was published. I had only heard there were disagreements.

    I know a great deal about both Rossi’s work and I.H.’s work. Based on what I know, in my opinion it likely that I.H. is correct and Rossi is wrong. That is all there is to it.

    This is a technical dispute. It has nothing to do with politics or money. If the reactor worked as claimed, I am sure I.H. would be happy to pay for it. As things now stand, if they do not pay, they will not get any intellectual property. Why would they throw away an $11 million investment if they thought the reactor works? That makes no sense.

    You need to wait and read I.H.’s response to the lawsuit before you take sides. Your speculation about politics and I.H.’s motivations are unfounded nonsense. You know nothing about the technical details of the calorimetry or why I.H. does not agree with Rossi’s analysis. Until you have a chance to review the technical data, you cannot know what is going on here and you have no reason to think Rossi is right and I.H. is wrong.


    • sam

      Axil reply

      AxilMay 10, 2016 at 5:11 PM
      When a test is designed, a test paln is generated that defines what the test is going to do and how it is going to do it in detail. Both parties look at the test plan and sign off on that plan.

      This I.H. test plan should had the test procedures defined in detail which included how energy production was to be determined.

      If the test plan was not implemented as documented at the start of the test, any party that has exceptions to the details of the implementation should have resolved that exception before the test was performed.

      It sounds crazy to me… that standard testing signoff procedures were not followed in this case. I have written test plans and managed tests where each step of the test was signed off one excruciating detail at a time. If I.H. did not agree with the test procedure, the test should have been terminated on the first day and redone to the satisfaction of I.H. and restarted.

  • Frank Acland

    No, I’m personally as convinced as I ever have been about the validity of the E-Cat.

    • ivanc

      A big leap of faith!!!!

  • Ophelia Rump

    When a professional fireman shouts fire in the theater, it has an inherent level of credibility. One should assume that he is probably aware of details which might have escaped you while you munched on popcorn.

  • Rossi Fan

    2016-2009 = 7 years
    this text has been around and has not changed in 7 years.
    Rossi was not in on the LENR scene back then.
    Maybe Focardi who actually went to school?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I think he is referring to Michael McKubre in this 60
    minutes piece because Rossi wasn’t on the scene in 2009.

  • cashmemorz

    I think Anon is using electricity to heat his house. I have gas (no pun intended) which is about one -quarter the cost of electricity in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. So think of the costs and/or associated size of house as one-quarter the size that his calculations lead to.

  • Rossi Fan

    I just said there is a solution. If there is a will there is a way.

    80 x 80 out where they used to do the nuke testing back in the 50s and problem solved

  • giovanniontheweb


    The committee is aware of recent positive developments in devel- oping low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR), which produce ultra- clean, low-cost renewable energy that have strong national security implications. For example, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), if LENR works it will be a ‘‘disruptive technology that could revolutionize energy production and storage.’’ The com- mittee is also aware of the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency’s (DARPA) findings that other countries including China and India are moving forward with LENR programs of their own and that Japan has actually created its own investment fund to promote such technology. DIA has also assessed that Japan and Italy are leaders in the field and that Russia, China, Israel, and India are now devoting significant resources to LENR development. To better understand the national security implications of these de- velopments, the committee directs the Secretary of Defense to pro- vide a briefing on the military utility of recent U.S. industrial base LENR advancements to the HouseCommittee on Armed Services by September 22, 2016. This briefing should examine the current state of research in the United States, how that compares to work being done internationally, and an assessment of the type of mili- tary applications where this technology could potentially be useful.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Thank you Giovanni. That is an impressive reference.

      For other people’s reference.

      H. Rept. 114-537 PDF
      Page 87
      Report from the Committee on Armed Services

      • Rossi Fan


        • Rossi Fan

          Take that back. I just google “DIA LENR” and found this same exact text has been around since 2009. It was not written on May 4th 2016. It is copied/pasted from DIA reports from years ago. Not sure why. Maybe it’s part of the boilerplate for these annual reports to congress and somebody either forgot to take it out or does not bother to proofread it or gets paid by the inch of document produced not actual content.

          • psi2u2

            It is being reissued, however, which is in itself significant.

      • Brokeeper

        The amendments I foresee having any bearing on LENR development:

        # 87 stops funding requiring DOD to meet certain green energy mandates. (Republican)

        # 114 authorizes a competitive, merit-reviewed funding opportunity to solicit proposals for engineering designs for innovative fusion energy (Democrat)

    • Rene
  • Rene

    I would amend your clincher sentence to read: As things stand now, I think we could well be on the threshold of a revolution in energy technology because of the *claims* of the E-Cat.
    Previous to the claims of massive excess thermal power, the research on LENR was mostly barely past breakeven observations. Rossi’s claims of excess heat, his self-run demonstrations, and even the 1MW demos (should some day those reports be made available to the public), all of them spur other researchers to try different methods. So, yes, just the claims alone are the catalyst for an energy tech revolution. Once researchers shed the self-quenching disbelief of a phenomena, they will, intrigued, work at understanding and discovering means and methods. Now I truly wish Rossi produces products soonest that will serve the public and not just benefit the status quo energy delivery corporations (I and many others are on his list for a domestic e-cat). But, others are now very interested to get there first, so practical LENR seems to me to be much closer than ever.