Rossi Thinking About Using QuarkX for Charging EVs for Almost Infinite Range

Here’s another one word answer from Andrea Rossi, but it maybe gives a clue about what might be involved in the ‘surprise’ he referred to in connection with the E-Cat recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Italo R.
May 4, 2016 at 1:09 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi, I was thinking about electric cars. In this period there is much talk of Tesla and other electric cars. That’s where the E-Cat QuarkX might be useful. Putting on board a pack of E-Cat QuarkX used to always keep charging batteries, you would have a virtually infinite range.
This would be a market with enormous possibilities. Are you also thinking about this during your R&D?
My Best Regards,
Italo R.

Andrea Rossi
May 4, 2016 at 8:03
Italo R.:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi says that the E-Cat QuarkX can produce heat, light and electricity. If it does all three then it’s a very versatile technology, especially if it operates at a high COP. Right now GM’s Chevrolet Volt has an onboard gasoline generator that is used to charge the car’s battery and extend the driving range. Conceivably the same principle could be employed if you could get the QuarkX to be safe and reliable in a portable situation like in a vehicle.

Rossi has always said that for safety of operations the E-Cats need to have an external source of energy to drive them, so in an EV there would have to be some external electrical source on board with the QuarkX. But if the QuarkX produces electricity in large enough amounts to charge an EV’s battery it would seem to be a trivial thing to have some extra electricity left over to provide the needed input for the QuarkX. This does make me wonder about the ‘surprise’ Rossi has mentioned. What if Rossi has figured out a way to have the QuarkX self-sustain permanently and safely using the electricity it produces to power itself?

  • Paul Maher

    The thought of an on board charging device such as the Quark-X must have Elon Musk and Nicolas Chauvin champing at the bit. Brave new world coming to you soon.

  • LarryJ

    IH may be disputing Rossi’s tech but I believe it is just posturing. It is hard for me to believe that Penon got it so wrong

  • Tannenbaum

    Oh, Lord please just show us. Then we can all do thought experiments about electric cars to our hearts’ content.

  • Owen Geiger

    What if the new customer turns out to be like IH? They talk the talk but later stab him in the back? A big lawsuit in Europe (in addition to the one in the US) would greatly reduce Rossi’s ability to get E-Cats in the market. This could be part of a larger plan by industry insiders to block this technology. Rossi needs a perfect contract to prevent more problems.

    • psi2u2

      A lot is unclear, but what seems reasonably certain is that IH is not the customer. Rossi has said the customer is based in the UK and has worldwide operations.

  • Owen Geiger

    It’s a work in progress. Give them time to finish the job.

  • Owen Geiger

    So you think he is a nut who’s talking gibberish and yet you keep reading and spending time on this? What does that say about you?

  • LarryJ

    I was blown away by Lugano report and the ERV report showing a cop>50. I guess I am just too easy to please.

  • Lux Terrea

    Frankly, hot fusion, like the price of rice in China, is pretty irrelevant in the discussion of Rossi’s claims for LENR and the e-cat.

  • US_Citizen71

    I made no claim of ‘high volume DC’ do not stick words in my mouth, I am not here to be your strawman. The need to constantly put words in others mouths shows that you have no case or debate skills. I require citation of where I made a claim of high volume DC!

  • DrD

    1980? I think you mean 1918?

  • DrD

    Perhaps his amazon crystal ball finally arrived.

  • http://www.chatwing.com/eestorchat EEStorFanFibb

    These companies will have no choice but to abandon the ICE. It will be gone in about ten years. ICE’s are the film in film cameras when electric motors are the CCDs that are already proven and available for sale.

  • Alex Fenrick

    What exactly are you implying here Clovis? I have said over and over countless times that I am open to the possibility of LENR, but I no longer trust Rossi at this point for many reasons that have been discussed at length. Please be clear of what you are accusing me of when you say “you know exactly what you think your doing, but your way obvious”. I believe I have made my perspective on matters here quite clear.

  • Jas

    Would you prefer Rossi to stop making comments on JONP?
    He could instead release some information every 6 months like other companies do who are in R&D phase.
    At least it gives us something to talk about.
    I’m happy with his daily Q&A’s.

  • Omega Z

    The dinosaur gear heads sell a lot of cars pandering to those who want more HP. In fact, that’s where nearly all of the profits come from.

    • http://www.chatwing.com/eestorchat EEStorFanFibb

      one of the reason why Tesla’s vehicles are so well received is the no-pause, ludicrously powerful acceleration provided by the electric drive train.

  • Jarea

    Your premise is that he has something. Until we have the product as he says, we cannot do these comparations.

  • Jarea

    Is there any info about the massive production of the 1MW plant ecats?. We are loosing the focus on the “next” thing when the basic ECAT product is still not on the market.

    • DrD

      He told us that all future E-Cats will be QuarkX which was a little confusing as he is clearly still building non E-CatX’s but the explanation seems to be that these are only bridging the gap until the QuarkX is ready (F8).
      Frustrating but the merits are worth the wait (provided this is the last improvement delay).
      EDIT: So I think there will not be a mass production of anything but QuarkX’s and hopefully, very soon.

    • LarryJ

      I would bet that IH are already ramping up production of the low temp 1MW plants and selling them under NDA until they have the production capacity to go public. Just like Leonardo is doing.

      They built the 1 year test reactor.
      The ERV claims it worked very well
      They had a full year to work out the kinks
      They are disputing the IP
      They have a science partner in Brillouin
      Brillouin signed a deal with Koreans last year
      They are well financed

  • georgehants

    If it is done on purpose or by ignorant design it is certainly time a few people learnt the difference between Communism, Dictatorship and what everybody concerned with sharing and caring on page means —— True Democracy.

    • LarryJ

      Good luck with that. lol

      • Owen Geiger

        Maybe GH’s real intention is to bog down this excellent forum with thousands of repetitive posts.

  • Gerard McEk

    Attention everybody!!
    Did you read this:

    Teemu
    May 5, 2016 at 4:19 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    To me, and I mean no malice by saying this, the biggest surprise would be to actually see the E-Cat X being demonstrated.
    Best Regards,
    Teemu

    Andrea Rossi
    May 5, 2016 at 7:38 AM
    Teemu:
    You are right. When it will be ready, it will be demonstrated.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    The QUARKX IS GOING TO BE DEMONSTRATED!!!
    And WITHIN MONTH!!! ,according to another JONP comment.
    All my (sceptical and cynical) comments lately have been heard (maybe).
    Finally we will see a demo of it when it’s unheard details are being revealed.
    I hope that Andrea does everything to allow sceptic to prove it does not work.
    If he hasn’t got time for that I volunteer.

    • LarryJ

      I think by ‘ready’ he means products in the market. Rossi has no time to waste on pointless demos that nobody will believe. We are not going to see products this year but maybe by next if he can get certification for domestic use.

      • sam

        I think A.R said he had a test run with a customer in June.
        Would that be what he meant.

        • LarryJ

          The June demo is intended for a new customer and Rossi has said that demo will be private. Rossi has implied that demo will be the end of the preliminary R&D and we will learn more about the quarkx but we will still not see much until he has a product.

      • Winebuff67

        Breath being held…

    • Frank Acland

      Within months, I think he said (you said month above)

    • clovis ray

      Hi, guys.
      The way i read this is, only the customer will see it next, then when they Leo.corp, can fill a order, they will demonstrate, the QUARK, to the world, but it would be kinda silly to start advertising something, and can’t produce it for market,
      I promise , with big thinkers and big bucks, 3D printers and the like, it could be that robo line, are already created, and have been building something similar for a long time and only has to be reprogramed, with moderate,changes, could be put to work now, as leo.corp. has not been setting on their hands these past years, because Dr. Rossi knows the truth and working as hard and fast as humanly possible to get it to a place where we can have our own, Leo, corp. is our best and fastest choice, trying to stand in his way is doing our world a disservice., and will not be forgotten when things are going great later.

      • Pweet

        He has also said the demo he is speaking about is for a “partner”, which I take to mean he is trying to find someone to replace IH.
        That would be consistent with the previous Lugano demonstration which as it turned out was for the purpose of drawing IH into a partnership arrangement. I recall he often spoke at that time about IH as a customer when he said he had sold the original 1MW plant to a customer in the USA.
        It would be highly unlikely he would be demonstrating the new device to just an ordinary customer.

    • SG

      I’m less interested in demos, and more interested in products available for purchase. Mr. Rossi has done demos–many of them.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I read nothing that gives any kind of firm date for any kind of public demo.

      A demo for a customer is not public, nor is it implied as such. So when Rossi is ready to demo to public, Rossi may well do as such. However, when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public is a spectacular different statement then saying he going to demo for a customer, or in a month a public demo is going to occur.
      Nothing I read so far from Rossi can be assumed or implied or suggested to be any kind of firm date of a public ecat-X demo. And a demo for a customer does not suggest nor imply that Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public. So when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public may well occur, but that could be any time frame from now.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Gerard McEk

      Oh dear, I was finally coming over my LENR depression and seeing the new New Fire at the horizon again and now you all are trying to get me back into the sceptic an cynical mode again.
      Stay connected, I’ll ask AR…

      • SG

        Best to keep a balanced view of the situation. Pseudo-skepticism should be eschewed, as should blind belief.

      • Gerard McEk

        This was AR’s answer (I am half happy):
        Gerard McEk
        May 5, 2016 at 12:48 PM
        Dear Andrea,

        Recently you said the QuarkX will be demonstrated when it is ‘ready’, which you hope is within months.
        It will underpin the details of the ‘Tremendous Surprise’ that will be revealed then.
        Some questions if I may:
        1. To whom will it be demonstrated? (I hope it will be open to public or us, you followers).
        2. Where will it be demonstrated? (I assume Europe, Sweden?)
        3. Is it right to assume that ‘ready’ means ready for sales, so the QuarkX factory is ready and fully equipped, and test runs were successfull?
        Thanks for answering our questions.
        Kind regards, Gerard

        Andrea Rossi
        May 5, 2016 at 2:29 PM
        Gerard McEk:
        1- to our partners in a first stage, to the public in a second
        2- Europe
        3- not yet, but close
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi will not do a demo for rhe public until he is ready to introduce his product to the market. He has been clear on this. It is very unlikely he can make that happen in 2016.

  • US_Citizen71

    Shows how little you’ve been paying attention, just got the assignment? The QuarkX outputs DC which charges batteries quite well.

    • DrD

      EXACTLY and he’d also have known it’s DC

  • Mike Henderson

    “I’m sure I’ll take you with pleasure!” the Queen said. “Two pence a week, and jam every other day.”

    Alice couldn’t help laughing, as she said, “I don’t want you to hire me – and I don’t care for jam.”

    “It’s very good jam,” said the Queen.

    “Well, I don’t want any to-day, at any rate.”

    “You couldn’t have it if you did want it,” the Queen said. “The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day.”

    “It must come sometimes to ‘jam to-day’,” Alice objected.

    “No, it can’t,” said the Queen. “It’s jam every other day: to-day isn’t any other day, you know.”

    “I don’t understand you,” said Alice. “It’s dreadfully confusing!”

  • kdk

    He probably would have done that for you, if you paid him enough and were able to be his business partner and trusted that you wouldn’t run off to the nearest magnate to sell your soul.

  • kdk

    Rossi has a much better track record than those people. For the most part, “Rossi says” has more or less panned out over time.

    • Евгений Максимов

      We were told what communism:
      1. The robots will work in the factories. Humanity will have a rest.
      2. Mankind will be occupied by art and space travel.
      3.Money is canceled. All products in the shops are free.
      4.Anyone will do only what he wants.

      Now look what says A.Rossi 🙂
      People who lived in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union no longer believe in communism. And people who live in Western Europe and the United States believe in communism. Strange?

      • kdk

        It will be a monumental failure, or at least a long and protracted mess, if the technology on the way stays in all the same hands, we agree on that. 🙂 I will say however, mainstream media aside, it’s been good that the internet started in the States, even if they do read everything we write, as the bulk of the internet can be protected under the first amendment. It’s actually kind of surprising that the Republic has lasted as well as it has through its Empire phase. It’s hard for any powerful institution to survive a plague of jerks at the helm.

    • Jarea

      We want the product.

      • kdk

        So do I, now we have to wait for the legal fight with IH, in the States. It will hit Europe first, unless similar issues arise. Hopefully, the UK/European partner isn’t invested in fossil fuels.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “LookMoo May 4, 2016 at 7:28 PM
    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    The market for a LENR invention is almost immeasurable for the first
    10-15 years (or even 30 years).. work for everybody. Just assume a
    majority of the close to 100 million vehicles entering the market every
    year can use a LENR based powertrain design. To that figure add all
    other applications that probably cripple the vehicle comparison. 1
    Billion eCat devices would be needed every year to keep phase with the
    market needs for clean, abundant energy.
    1000 factories with a 1 million output/year will have to run 24/7.
    How many factories do you think is operating within.. lets say 5 years.

    Andrea Rossi May 4, 2016 at 8:22 PM
    LookMo:
    We have now the force necessary to start the first massive production factory.
    After that, it will be the diffusion of the products to finance the exponential growth of our concern.
    F8.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Jarea

      Thanks artefact for that question to Rossi on execution of the ecat production. I think execution is more important that discussing the next ecatx. We have to crawl before we walk.
      Rossi states they are prepared for one massive production factory. This is again good news. Besides, it makes sense to start with one and then use the money to build more afterwards.
      Unfortunately, the comment of Rossi to be ready “to start the first massive production factory” is a very vague sentence regarding planing and production this year.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland
    May 4, 2016 at 6:37 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    Why do you think the revelation of the E-Cat QuarkX will be such a surprise?
    Many thanks, Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    May 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM
    Frank Acland:
    If you put this question, you have imagined a hint of it.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • DrD

    Why not?
    It’s a no brainer.

  • LarryJ

    There is a huge need for this tech and it is a bonafide paradigm shift. As a result I think the focus will be so intense and the human resources brought to bear so great that many of your concerns will be fast tracked. Any country that allows themselves to be held back by bureaucracy will concede this extremely important market to the competition.

  • LarryJ

    The ERV report sounded pretty concrete to me unless you believe a phd nuclear physicist specializing in nuclear power plant certifications couldn’t tell you if his teapot was boiling.

  • LarryJ

    The only thing that has happened is the start of the industrialization phase. Rossi promised that if the 1 year test was successful then the industrialization phase would begin and so it has, right on schedule. Patent wars are part of the industrialization phase. We now know from the ERV report (published or not) that IH can make a cop 50 low temperature reactor, they had a full year to refine it and you can bet they are building more of them.

    Why would you want Rossi to stop making announcements. He has exciting news and he is the one suing IH, not the other way around. He has done nothing to hang his head in shame for. He is bringing us a miracle. This is what day 1 of the exciting new adventure looks like. Both Leonardo and IH are now busy building and selling reactors under NDA until such time as they have the production capability to go public. The cold fusion market will be starting out with two major contenders. The business savvy IH against the creative genius of Rossi’s Leonardo. They will battle each other to try and gain as large a share as possible of the biggest market in history. It should be quite a show. Irritating? Some people are just too hard to please.

    • adriano

      The industrialization phase has happened??? Really? Where? When? How many people are involved? Who work there? Who did it? What kind of product they make? How many pieces they made this year? And how many they will made next year? 2, 3, 100, 10000? Maybe Defkalion just did so???

      Yes Im defenetly hard to please (especially about Rossi), but to be honest, I think some people should stop for a second and start using their brain without the “Rossi said” in their mind.

      • DrD

        Perhaps you should read his announcements.

      • Jas

        Rossi has said the customer is ordering more ecats. Rossi will be building them this year. It was 3 I think. The robot factory is not ready so these cats will be built by hand. He has 30 people so far who work for Leonardo. This was announced a few weeks ago.
        Perhaps you missed it? Whether you choise to believe it is another matter.

        • adriano

          I dont know what to say… Rossi stated a lot of more then incredible things over the years. I dont understand why people belive in what he say even without proofs. Once he say something is already acquired as a fact…

  • DrD

    Curious but good news:

    Begin quote

    Giuseppe
    May 4, 2016 at 12:44 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    do a single 100W QuarckX module can be activated and controlled by a small battery, for example a Smart Phone battery?

    On the E-Cat, if i remember, the charge duration is about one year, on
    the QuarckX is possible to do a recharge or will be better change
    directly the single module?

    Best Regards, Giuseppe

    Andrea Rossi
    May 4, 2016 at 1:19 PM
    Giuseppe:
    1- could be an idea to develope
    2- better change the module
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    End quote (empty lines removed).

    This answers both puzzles I posted here yesterday (below).
    So if I read it correctly, he now says:
    1) “YES” it could be possible to operate Quarks from a (rechargeable) battery.
    He previously said “NO” due to safety issues.
    BUT needs development so he hasn’t (yet) built that possibility into the QuarkX.
    Obviously, this is essentially self-sustain.

    2) To refuel he thinks to swap out the whole module.
    We still don’t know how much would constitute a “module” for example, does it include all or part of the heat exchanger or controls.

    I wonder; who is Giuseppe?

    • Omega Z

      Giuseppe is someone who has followed and posted on JONP for a long time. Rossi has many supporters from Italy that post on JONP…

      • DrD

        Thanks for that, I am reassured. I feel bad now, harbouring such suspicions. However, in defence, when discussing LENR and IH/AR we can’t take every thing at face value.