UK Government Department Position on Rossi’s Work — “Unverifiable”

Thanks to JNM for sharing the following response from the British Department of Energy and Climate Change to an inquiry he made regarding LENR. It does indicate that they are aware of what is going on.

“Thank you for your email, dated 30 March to the Prime Minister, about low-energy nuclear reactions. This Department’s position on low-energy nuclear reactions and the claims of Professor Rossi is to maintain a watching brief. Should the effect Professor Rossi describes transpire to be genuinely reproducible and to have a nature along the lines he describes, it would likely be the UK’s research councils, and not DECC, that would lead on development of skills and research in this area in the UK. However, given this, we feel that Professor Rossi’s experiments would be more credible if they could be independently verified (e.g. through experimentation that is peer reviewed). This would require the duplication of his experimental method and results by others, which is currently impossible, as he has not yet disclosed details of this to the scientific community. We understand that attempts by others to replicate his process, based on what information he has released have not yet yielded reproducible results and until such time as they can do so, we have no choice but to view his claims as unverifiable.

“I hope that this is helpful.

“Yours sincerely, DECC Correspondence Unit”

  • roseland67

    If they are referring to Rossi’s experiments being @unverifiable” than I understand completely.
    Otoh, if they are referring to LENR, then I think
    They may be doing some misinformation

  • Allan Shura

    If this is the position of the British then they ignore the US Patent office granting of the
    patent to a working technology and are deniers mirroring the Royal Academy of
    of Sciences initial unfounded denials of Faraday in the 19th century.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    The Netherlands has just followed Belgium in its decision to
    supply the entire national population with iodine pills. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/30/netherlands-to-hand-out-iodine-pills-in-case-of-nuclear-accident
    Is UK to follow suit?
    Is this really going to be the best governments can do to protect people?

  • e-dog

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160428-the-secretive-billionaire-backed-plans-to-harness-fusion

    If only Roosi could get his act together, every day he doesnt share his knowledge erodes away at my belief that he has something. His caginess and unwillingness to release his technology (then suit for royalties if users of his ecats dont want to pay him license fees) is potentially harming the planet.

    Climate change is real and its going to hurt more or less because every day counts. I dont think Rossi has a solution at all, because no real caring human being on this planet could with-hold a secret that could save the world, could they?

    What was that bit in the bible about snakes and forbidden knowledge?
    Roosi is treading a fine line here, angels and demons, which will he choose to be?

    Enough ranting. .. one more thing, I wish there was a world wide law that if anyone copied his tech or improved his tech and then made money off it, they should be expected or made to pay fair royalties to him. Its only fair. But I really dont think he has anything… otherwise he would have proper investors and ecats out there right now.

    • Montague Withnail

      Why doesn’t he just conduct a credible verification? That’s all it would take, he wouldn’t have to reveal any secret sauce, just energy in v energy out, small scale (a few kw would be ideal) for as long as it takes to show definitely not a chemical reaction (should be a few days at most).

      – Simple calorimetry.
      – Properly independent and properly credible adjudicators
      – Fully videoed and documented
      – Zero interference from Rossi. Just a sealed reactor and a set of instructions.

      That’s all it would take, very simple stuff. For me he has zitch until we see that, but I’m a huge fan of MFMP who take the polar opposite approach.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Our western world democracies seem to be quasi-bankrupt.

    Talking about the world’s political equilibrium, Torkel Nygren’s Sifferkoll has a sombering closing comment in his blog: “What is the use of owning a cheap eCat if we are all off fighting world war 3.”
    http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/excellent-geopolitical-lenr-analysis-by-doug-marker/

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    or let them play too…

  • Ciaranjay

    It is top secret but the UK government has no money for LENR because they gave it all to Orbo. Win some, lose some.

  • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

    Please move on!
    Nothing to see here.
    YET.

  • psi2u2

    I see. Your list of sins is long, my son. 😉

    I agree that a lot of the things you name, including that the precision stonework in both new and old worlds, poses serious challenges to our conceptions of what these people were able to do or how they could do it.

    My master’s is in anthro so I have a pretty good understanding of a lot of the standard academic theories as well as the heretical alternatives.

    At the risk of being banned for off topic discussion, do you follow Posner’s
    “outrageous” astronomical dating for Tiwanacu? Or do you know that side of it?

    • Alex Fenrick

      I know the name…but have not come across any specifics on his dating of Tiwanacu. I guess I need to check that out for sure! My views are obviously and admittedly stuck right in the middle of the academic views and heretical….which is where I find it most fun and enjoyable to be! haha I must say I am jealous of your background in anthro….I went the engineering and physics route….

      • psi2u2

        He was one of the most serious early archaeologists on the site and determined by alleged archaeoastronomic alignments that the site was something like 20,000 BC, which is more than 15,000 years too early for any standard chronology. The “standard chronology” is based on radio carbon dates. This is, to me, like trying to date the great pyramid based on your discovery of a candy bar wrapper in the sand.

        Well, maybe not quite, but you get the point.

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

    No-one has taken the UK government’s advice for several decades – least of all the people of the UK.

  • psi2u2

    Ok, truth or dare: Why do people call *you* a conspiracy theorist?

  • bkrharold

    If so they would probably have said just that. LENR proponents have little influence and no political power. They British government has no need to make any concessions. I take this statement at its face value, which is actually quite positive. We already know that the US government has done secret work on LENR, but has refused to endorse it, or even admit their own findings. You may remember a government researcher who spoke out of turn a few months ago. He was quickly silenced, and no more has been heard from him. He is probably in Guantanamo now.

  • DrD

    That’s what he did. If you look at his US patent, he never mentions LENR or cold fusion. If he had, it would have been rejected as being inconsistent with the laws of physics.

  • psi2u2

    According to Wikipedia, the term “conspiracy theory,” as used in America, was had a neutral connotation until the early 1960s, after which it became a term of dismissal or contempt. Hmmm…..In my other real life, I study a prominent historical question (my PhD was in the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education), having published approximately a hundred articles (and one book) on topics related to it, about twenty in standard journals and the remainder in “movement” journals, one of which I edit.

    I am routinely and often very aggressively termed a “conspiracy theorist” by people who have not lifted a finger to really inquire about the issue.

    My interest in LENR partly comes from following the dynamics of controversial subjects involving potential or actual “paradigm shifts.”

    You are correct that little direct and unambiguous evidence connects the recent highly-highly publicized Saudi market moves to LENR. The best that one can say is that they would be consistent with some inside knowledge of LENR or other emerging tech. that is hastening the end of the Oil Age.

    On the other hand, banks have been divesting oil assets at a remarkable rate over the past three or four years, and surely the Saudi move is tied to this. So, when we look at the bigger picture, there is, imho, quite a bit of evidence of underlying shifts in the market that portend something like LENR. That’s why I would not automatically reject the idea of a connection with terms like “conspiracy theory.”

    But thank you for your candid and thoughtful response. I always appreciate your comments.

  • georgehants

    What an insane situation, if Gates or any other so called benefactor gave a damn about people or the World then he would give Mr. Rossi one billion dollars/pounds to publish every detail about his Cold Fusion etc. (if genuine)
    Throw any stupid patents in the rubbish and just care about people.
    Set him up in a fully equipped laboratory for all his future open work.
    Set Cold Fusion free for all to benefit now.
    All this wasted talk, talk, talk, as if the situation should be taken seriously.
    It simply reflects the insanity of the system that we have allowed to rule our lives.

    • cashmemorz

      Complex systems evolve in strange ways. Our (human) history is very complex and depends on a multitude of factors, man-made and environmental, most of which we are barely beginning to come to grips with. To say it should be otherwise ,at this time is mostly wishfull thinking. We seem to be given to aggression and so have wars, adverserial court systems, highly competitive commerce, the list goes on.

      • georgehants

        cash, so True and some of us work for change, even as you say that may be no more than ” wishfull thinking”

      • bkrharold

        So basically what you are saying is that it is human nature at the root of these problems, and that nothing will change until we evolve spiritually.

    • radvar

      No funds for unicorn powered treadmills, either.

      Rossi did take money, and it ended up in a squabble. Since he’s critical path, giving him more money won’t speed things up either. You can only get so many people around a rugby ball.

  • DrD

    Well said!
    But eloquent? haven’t you noticed the contradiction?
    They will do nothing until it’s verified and if it is then they won’t use it. They will give it to the Science Research Council. Hmmm isn’t that a bit late for the SRC once it’s proven technolgy, I mean now is the time for any research group to be working on it, not afterwards and isn’t it patented?