Me356 Video Shows Claimed Moment of Excess Heat

Thanks to artefact and LENR G for posting the following information made by LENR replicator Me356 (he works somewhere in Europe and is a colleague of Bob Greenyer).

At about the 15 second mark in this video is the apparent onset of excess heat

https://vid.me/H2xn

LENR G wrote:

Here is the link to his more definitive post:
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1275-me356-Reactor-parameters/?postID=16780#post16780

Says he can turn excess heat on/off at will. The heating from the core is unmistakable assuming he is accurately reporting information.

Key quotes from me356:

“Can any skeptic explain me, how this can be achieved (other than with some source of heat) if you have no heater inside? And to maintain this for at least few minutes…?

Note that the glow was even 2 times further from the heater during the highest COP. Normally glow ends just under heater due to thermal conductivity.

Also note, that temperatures of the heater are very same in both cases.

Power was also very same.”

Pretty exciting.

  • Sanjeev
  • Argon

    To me video looks like real thing, or something melting in thicker tube and leaking to thinner one. Or vaporized material or gas leaking to thinner one and condesing releasing stored energy. I did not see any indication of heating being shut off.

    Interesting experiment from me356 anyway, and lets try to help him to solve puzzle instead of calling him something. I think nobody in this arena can fool any funding anymore without hard prove from independent and rigid testing first.

    What comes to Rossis case I am going to stop here and wait and see 1MW and IH case unwinding first instead of runnig after marvelous news about quark-x and massive production lines with ABB (unless real visible things happens there).

  • artefact

    me356 wrote:
    “…The latest experiment was only made from curiosity if I
    can get excess heat also with a different kind of reactor where it was
    not possible previously.

    When time will come I will share all the data.

    I think that I am able to replicate the effect with quite high success
    now so the research of fully working reactor with optimal
    characteristics will be rapid.

    Later I will be able to produce required amount of reactors and even
    ship it to any place in the world. But this will be state when it will
    simply work as a ready product where all safety issues will be resolved
    to not harm anybody.

    Of course it must be legal and not breach any patent.”

    • Sanjeev

      Its good that he wants to share the data. But the time is now.

  • artefact

    me356 wrote:
    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1275-me356-Reactor-parameters/?pageNo=41
    “… I recommend so that the pressure is around 1 bar absolute – without external control it is not too easy. Because of safety and reactor integrity it is good to keep pressure low. Then you have to decrease it before triggering excess heat.
    Normally the problem is, that LiAlH4 will give you too much hydrogen, on the other hand you have not too much Lithium for the reaction. So you have to wait very long time if you have no additional pressure control until the pressure is low enough – can take hours – weeks if it is a wrong ratio.
    To allow reversible reaction of LAH that will give you good “control” you need more Lithium – this is very dependent on the composition of LAH.
    Alternatively you will lack aluminium if the reaction is too strong if too much of pure lithium was needed to add (but I guess that this is acceptable for the first tests).
    I recommend to not use LAH at all for the first tests if you have an external pressure control.”

  • Stephen

    Thanks Me356 for sharing this great information. After recent events we needed some happy news I think. Amazing to think we may have just seen the glow of LENR in that short video! I can’t quite get over that 😀. Very excited now about the weeks ahead! Good luck with your future work.

  • Sanjeev

    me346: I have already created design that allow precise calorimetric measurement nearly without thermal losses.

    I can connect my reactor even to a water grid, tank, etc.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    My understanding is that he is first looking for a method to generate a strong enough and reproducible effect. Meticulous measurements and calculations can (and will) be made later. It is just a question of economy: Running the full program before having found something unusual would be a waste of time.

    • Mats002

      If you lived with a setup for years and did many runs you know if you have something, given that you are professional and not biased. Me356 have all this as far as I can tell.

  • Karl Venter

    Well Done ME356
    Please let me know when I can buy your first kit
    Maybe Kickstarter ?

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

      When me356 is ready, we will send a newsletter on LENR Forum 🙂

  • Mats002

    Congratulation me! I am very impressed by your skills and greatly thankful for sharing your findings. I wonder if the isotopes of your Li must have a certain amount of Li6 in it to ‘bite’?

  • Mike Fidler

    Like Edison, turn light bulb on, turn light bulb off – only light stays on! Is that simple enough????

    • Stephen

      It’s like a flash of inspiration that never dims and keeps on giving. That’s LENR!

  • Obvious

    That’s some deep research ya did there

  • Ted-X

    ME365, try the cryogenic pre-treatment of nickel (liquid nitrogen, 48 hrs). There are some indications that this is the secret sauce. Pro publico bono.

    • Stephen

      This makes a lot of sense to me… “thermal treatment” could very well include some kind of Cryogenic Cooling.

      Ted-X would you suggest this is done at a particular time during the treatment?

      1. Before heat treatment of the nickel, perhaps to increase fractures from expansion of ice crystals from any H2O in the grains?

      2. After heat treatment perhaps due to stresses in the structure?

      3. A combination of 1 and 2 maybe cyclicly?

      4. After Hydrogenation perhaps having some effect on the absorbed Hydrogen at these very low temperatures?

      5. To try different combinations of all these options to see if there is an effect.

      I hope it gets tried if it is deemed potentially useful.

      • DrD

        I would also look at temp cycling — that is repeated rapid quenching in Liquid N2 and back to room temperature (or higher). I’ve always wondered if that might work, ever since “stress” was implicated. Stress is a means of creating those minute cavities. Same goes for mechanical stressing but not so easy with powder.

  • psi2u2

    This is not intended on my understanding to provide a proof of the alleged phenomenon. Do you see any claim that it is? If not, maybe calming down would be in order.

  • psi2u2

    There you are.

  • Zephir

    /* Can any skeptic explain me, how this can be achieved (other than with some source of heat) if you have no heater inside? */

    I’m not counting myself as a skeptic, but it could be faked by flow of cooling gas, for example…

    • psi2u2

      Perhaps so, but if so, then we have to evaluate the presenter. The post says he is a colleague of Bob Greenyer of the MFMP, and KeV just below identifies other parts of ME356’s history as an experiment designer. Both of these things speak to his seriousness and honesty, imho.

      • Obvious

        Among many of me356’s achievements, he managed to hack the Optris into an IR signal for PID control of temperature.

  • US_Citizen71

    Could different frequencies through the heating coil cause induction heating in the stainless steel? He says he can turn it on and off so my thought is he is changing the frequency of the alternating power but using the same amount of total power.

    • Ged

      Well, power = heat. Induction heating would still equal the same power = heat equation, and thus resistance heating componant would decrease, unless the resistance heating is very inefficient and the induction Collin ant increases that efficience.

      • US_Citizen71

        My thought is that where the heat is being generated is what changes, not the amount. So when induction starts the stainless steel becomes part of the heating system and that is why you sees the heat travel down the length of it. Since the heat is still being generated below the alumina the total amount heat transferred to it would be about the same or at least close enough not to change its incandescence to the naked eye. Data from a TC would help.

        • Ged

          That is a very good point, sorry that I misunderstood. I completely agree, we need the raw data to properly analyze and digest the event.

  • Allan Kiik

    “Power was also very same.”

    Hmm, something must be wrong here, because when such a powerful internal heat source is turned on, there is less power needed for keeping the same temperature, and second claim was constant temperature.

    This me356 guy must be trolling us 🙂

    • Ged

      Second claim was both ends of the heater coil was same temperature, meaning the coil didn’t short; not that the reactor stayed same temp. You can visibly see it is much hotter during the event, so a bit of application of the brain squares that mystery.

      • Allan Kiik

        Ged, this is required by elementary physics, if constant temperature is to be hold, then power needed for that is some constant (if all other variables are kept the same), when additional power source is turned on when reaction starts, you will need less power in the coil by by the amount generated by LENR.

        • Ged

          But it seems it was constant power rather than temp was held (would need a PID and thermalcoupler control circuit for constant temp), so temp contribution from the heater would be the same. Maybe it is just a matter of me356’s use of English that is a bit tougher to follow.

          • Allan Kiik

            Nope, he speaks well enough, and he has described the system well enough, unless power through the coil is lowered substantially, then this must be a joke.

            • Ged

              Well, you will have to ask him for clarification then!

              • artefact
                • Ged

                  Thank you for the link, artefact!

                • Allan Kiik

                  This makes sense on special case when he has the fuel only in this section of the steel tube which starts glowing at 00:15. And still there must be some reduction in the power because heat flows both ways.

                • Ged

                  Well, he did say “very same” not “the same”, I guess. But it seems this was a just a preliminary test run, so it may not have been fully feedback controlled.

                  Heat conduction takes awhile at these temps, where you’ve got a dominate radiation mode, as we see with MFMP’s glow sticks where the two sides in calibration are not perfectly the same despite conduction, particularly at higher temps where (what will be) active generally falls behind null by a few C.

                  We just need raw data to know what’s what. But that’ll probably come after a fully serious run, rather than this quick test.

    • Axil Axil

      Increased power could come from many other forms of radiation besides heat.

      • Allan Kiik

        Yes, but if some kind of reaction generates heat inside the coil and the video suggests not a small amount, then the coil must be heated from inside and so thermostat must reduce the power through the coil. Brightness remains the same, this must be clearly impossible if the power is not reduced by temperature controlled feedback.
        Isn’t that obvious?

        • Zephir

          Yes, but the camera sensor is already saturated by radiation intensity, so you shouldn’t expect a big difference in brightness..

          • Allan Kiik

            Maybe so, but surroundings are not that bright and brightness there remains also the same. And there is temperature feedback at work, using more than one source of temp signal.

  • LuFong

    Kind of looks like some mechanical shock preceding the moment of excess heat (camera moves), or some coincidence?

  • LuFong

    It seems that me356 is trying to balance LOS with getting something done quickly. His goal appears to be to get the COP up to about 3 and then he will release kits of some sort for others. He’s also very supportive of Rossi.

    If I understand him correctly there isn’t any real preparation of the fuel. He somehow is triggering excess heat and he claims there are a number of ways to do it (as does Rossi). No emissions detected but high RF. Very interesting all in all.

    • artefact

      He replied to Hank Mills:

      Q: What pre-processing (baking, de-oxidaizing, loading) did you perform on the nickel, if any?
      A: All and repeatedly.

      • LuFong

        Yes, I noticed that and edited my post. Thanks.

        Previously he had said, “Fuel was completely prepared today in a few minutes” which is what I based my original post on.

  • Ophelia Rump

    All anyone can say is the device got hotter. Without data, no opinion is valid.

    • Obvious

      Certainly temperature is not heat.
      I can easily construct a gedanken of a setup with lossless heat insensitive walls, in which the temperature of a hunk of nickel metal at X temperature, transferred unidirectionally to a hydrogen gas of the same number of atoms, should result in a temperature of the H gas about 60X higher than the nickel was, without increasing the heat content.

      But my opinion that the me356 video, without data, is very “cool” is still valid.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Only in your mind.

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    Seems straightforward evidence of a very hot core.

    The duration is probably not long enough to rule out an exothermic chemical reaction yet. Note that me356’s sharing this info does not mean he’s asserting anything as proof yet. There is more science to be done.

    • Axil Axil

      me356 has observed intense RF coming from his reactors. Does this MFMP test have RF testing in its test plan? If not, why not.

      • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

        me356 says in that thread:
        “I believe that there are no emmisions, at least with this reactor.

        I am doing constant measurement with 3 detectors (measurement of alpha, beta, gamma, neutrons), including NaI 2×2″ scintillator probe (extremely precise) and it is holding around the background level.”

        I don’t know if MFMP is involved here. IIRC me356 and MFMP have collaborated but I don’t think they are one and the same.

        • Axil Axil

          me356: “I have just verified that RF noise coming from the reactor is quite intense. Emmision can be shielded with 5mm thick aluminium block by 1/3.”

          • Obvious

            That narrows down the frequencies a fair bit.

            • keV

              It looks like me356 is following MFMPs LENR cookbook recipe they published back in February. I guess the obvious question here should be – is the RF frequently similar to (or maybe even a harmonic of) the frequency that the MFMP says should increase (well above all the other frequencies) when excess heat is observed?

              • Obvious

                I think me356 is way ahead of the MFMP, and most of his results were independently worked out by examining first principles and testing them systematically.

      • Obvious

        An old (analog) cordless phone on speaker and an AM or shortwave radio might be good enough. The radio at least is tunable.

      • US_Citizen71

        Could it be from the power in through the heating coil and signal noise from the PID?

        • Axil Axil

          When does the RF begin? Does it start along with the excess heat? Are the two things connected? Is there an intense magnetic field produced as per Defkalion?

          • US_Citizen71

            All great questions.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We have Microwave, UV, Special NaI for 3-100keV, 30-1500keV, Cadmium Telluride and Sensitive Geiger counter.

        We also have Optris.

        • Axil Axil

          What about magnetic fields?

  • Andreas Moraitis

    “[…] how this can be achieved (other than with some source of heat) if you have no heater inside? And to maintain this for at least few minutes…?“

    Difficult to say since no data is available yet. We need to know at least the estimated amount of released energy and the mass of the ingredients to rule out a chemical process. Maybe hydrogen recombination could cause such a strong effect, but in this case one might expect a less stable behaviour.