ECW Orbo Week 6-7 Testing Thread — Maybe Some Progress ?

Here’s a new thread for continued testing of the ophone power pack and the ocube

For reference:
Week 1 thread
Week 2 thread
Week 3 thread
Week 4-5 thread
The Google document started by Ged which summarizes key information from testing so far .
The Spreadsheet with the terminal readings from the ocube
Spreadsheet with ECW testing data with the power pack from the ophone
The video posted by Steorn showing some of the inner workings of the Ocube

This weekend I found there was signs of life in the Ophone power pack which Steorn had sent me for testing. We had lost all readings from the terminals o3-o4 after the o1-o2 cells had drained down below 3.7 Volts, and I thought the unit was pretty much damaged beyond repair. So I decided to put a 5V DC power supply on o1-o2 with a 2.2 k Ohm resistor in series hopes of reviving it.

After it had charged for 2-3 days (I lost track of how long exactly), and o1-o2 was sitting above 4.2 V, I was able to measure 5.17 Volts across terminals o3-o4 again.

This meant that we could start measuring the of the orbo again, by putting resistors as a load across o3-o4 — but it did not take away the fact that the cell on o1-o2 was draining voltage, and I had been able to boost the voltage only by pumping significant amounts of energy into the cell (see the spreadsheet for various systems used) — and this defeats the purpose of what Orbo is supposed to do.

Then on Sunday March 13 I came up with a different approach. Steorn has said that Orbo cells recharge much better when exposed to high voltage fields, so I have decided to limit the current going into o1-o2 with a 1M Ohm resistor, and boost the voltage by combining 9 Volt batteries. So far, this approach seems to have had the desired effect of stopping the Voltage drain on o1-o2 (when there is no load on o3-o4). Again, see the spreadsheet for data.

I’ll try and minimize confusion about what I’m talking about with the following video.

I thought I’d follow the suggestion of seeing what might happen if you connected o1-2 to o3-4. Video below:

March 21 2016

The following video shows what happens when you put a reference voltage on o3-o4 when the controller has not kicked in to provide a steady ~5.17 voltage:

March 22 2016

Yesterday I (and other people who had ordered Orbo products) received the following email from Steorn:

Dear Customer,
First of all we would like to again thank you for your order and your interest in Orbo technology. We are contacting you to provide you with an update on the current situation with respect to product design, production and shipment.

As you may know we have been investigating a charging issue with the initial batch of products we shipped, specifically the charge controller board used and consequent under/over charging.

We believe that we have now developed a solution to the issues caused by the charge controller board failure. Testing is underway on the redesigned system, and assuming that the new approach meets our test parameters, we will then move on to the production stage of the process.

While we are eager to get your order to you as soon as possible, we have to establish that the work we have done to address the issues we encountered is capable of delivering the high-quality product you are entitled to expect.
As such, it is currently not possible to say exactly when your order will ship but please rest assured we are doing everything we can to minimise the delay.We will be in touch again shortly with further updates as work progresses.

Best regards

The Orbo Team

March 24, 2016

Maybe some progress to report. If you check the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UBIA4JTDb_kBwoytR9LP7OP7tH63yUeiPn2kKye4frY/edit#gid=0), you’ll see that there is a 100 Ohm resistor on o3-o4, with the goal of keeping that orbo cell drained. On o1-2 there’s a 100k Ohm resistor to see if we can get some energy out of o1-o2 without draining it. So far the voltage has been climbing even with the load on it. Let’s see how it progresses. Below is a video showing the setup.



March 25, 2016

Below is a discharge test done on the Orbo pack with a 220 Ohm resistor on o1-2.

Here’s a recharge test that follows on from the video above.

March 26, 2016

Today I did a discharge/recharge test on the o1-2 side of the Orbo pack. The data is in the spreadsheet, and Sanjeev kindly prepared these graphs.

Discharge Test, Mar 26, 2016

Orbo recharge test March 26, 2016

  • DrD

    Goodmorning Frank,
    It does seem as though the current state of the domains is such that the reference cell (the double elecret that you’re currently working with) has settled at a “self charge” voltage of about 3.65V.
    That’s interesting because it’s not a single cell voltage.
    Also a few days ago it seemed to be 5.19V which is approximately the potential of two cells?
    So I think weve lost a few domains?
    I appreciate you managed to force it higher than 5.19V but I think that wasn’t a genuine “self charge” voltage, it was a forced over voltage.
    It’s current behaviour is that of a voltage source (3.65V) with a high series resistance feeding a large capacitor across O1,2.
    It’s charging curve will be according to the link i pasted earlier:
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html#c1

    • Frank Acland

      I was actually able to force charge it over 6V by pumping enough DC into it. Right now, without any kind of bias applied, it seems to settle to around 3.69 if you leave it alone for a day or so without discharging. Possibly higher if you leave it longer, but I haven’t done that yet. Yes the self-charging curve does seem very similar to the one in the link you posted.

      • DrD

        I agree, i only guessed at 3.65V. If it is as behaving that way it will approach a fixed voltage asymptotically and not go above it, unless some additional domains re-align.
        BTW, I didn’t mean to suggest that it is necessaily a battery or voltage source etc., only that it acts like it. Just in case some one thinks I do think that’s the only explananation.
        Now for a long patient wait.

  • Frank Acland

    Another discharge/recharge test has been done (actually recharge is still ongoing) this evening: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UBIA4JTDb_kBwoytR9LP7OP7tH63yUeiPn2kKye4frY/edit#gid=0

    • Sanjeev

      It outputted about 10.6 joules, almost same as yesterday. But the self charge was faster (in 30 mins)
      I think it will be good to operate it in the range of 1V min and 3V max, which will take about 1 hour per cycle and output the same energy.(Assuming similar performance everyday)

      I made this calculator to check if the test is practical (time wise)
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SmmDLw9-g_Mamtk7qloWEeWNacHwEBpXxdwdTXnAZpc/edit?ts=56c4cc64#gid=246518164

      • Frank Acland

        The faster recharge could be because of the longer gap of time between tests compared to the previous one.

        • Sanjeev

          Sorry I read it wrong, 30 mins was for yesterday, today its 20 mins (to reach 3V).
          Its remarkable that it reaches 2V in only a minute or two. So if you operate in 1V-2V range, it will be very fast. Only thing is we need to see how much energy it generates in that range in 2 mins.

  • Frank Acland

    Mark, I’m not sure about a consensus. I think there’s just a small number of people following the latest experiments. Personally from what I have seen recently it seems that the orbo cell we are testing on now is acting similar to what Steorn have said it does — if you put a load on it, it will do some work and then recharge. More testing needs to be done, however to confirm this is a long-term effect that can be repeated over and over.

    • https://pissedthefuckoff.wordpress.com/ Mark

      Right, I get that it is a small number of people following your experiments, but I meant the consensus of those people, just to clarify.

      • Frank Acland

        I guess we’ll have to let people speak for myself. As for myself, I’m increasingly positive as I continue to test.

        • Alex Fenrick

          I actually think it is a good thing that we have people on both sides of the fence as long as the discussion stays intelligent and logical. Both perspectives need checks and balances. I’m off to look over the newest spreadsheet updates!!

        • DrD

          Just to second what Frank is saying.
          It does seem that it is generating a tiny amount of energy which is so small it could just possibly be explained as coming from well known sources. My feeling is that it isn’t coming from any of those well known sources. That “feeling” isn’t proof. I have no axe to grind either way so I’m not on either side of a fence but hope to be eventually.
          Time, or a fully working Orbo may tell .

  • Frank Acland

    I left the unit overnight to see if recharging continued, and so far it has — up to 3.67V now.

  • Frank Acland

    I’ve been doing another discharge/recharge test this morning. Data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UBIA4JTDb_kBwoytR9LP7OP7tH63yUeiPn2kKye4frY/edit#gid=0

    • Sanjeev

      Looks good to me, although the self-charging is not as fast as last time.
      I will do some calculations in some time.

      • Frank Acland

        Possibly self charge time depends on how much work was extracted from the cells by the load. I think I had the load (same value 220 ohms) on longer in this test than the previous. Maybe it also depends on how much ‘rest’ the cell has had previous to the test. I guess with continued testing we’ll see.

        • Sanjeev

          Plots for charge/discharge are attached here.
          Total energy output is 10.17 Joules, most of which is released in first 10 mins. The discharge is parabolic, with very slow change after 1V is reached.
          The self charge is strange, the best fit I got is a log curve. The voltage stops increasing after approx 2 hours. It may be building up juice after that as you say.

          • Frank Acland

            Thanks very much, Sanjeev. Nice to see it graphic form.

  • Alex Fenrick

    Frank….Sean has said he believes Orbo is speeding up and slowing down electromagnetic fields, which causes energy anomalies. Out of curiousity, have you tried putting an oscilloscope on the outputs to see if you can detect any evidence of this or any other anomalies?

    • Frank Acland

      No I haven’t — I don’t have a scope here.

  • DrD

    Hi Frank,
    Just watching your video.
    The discharge behaviour (slowing down ) is exactly the way a capacitor discharges. The rate of voltage drop gets slower as it reaches zero. In theory it only reaches zero after infinite time.
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html#c1

  • OM

    goodbye

  • Frank Acland

    Two new videos have been posted above showing discharge and recharge behavior of the orbo pack.

  • OM
  • OM
  • OM

    Frank, I understand that you are tired.
    But, please, record the voltage on O1-4 too.