Etiam Inc. Publishes Testing Results: “Anomalous Generation of Thermal Energy Observed”

UPDATE (Mar 18th 2016)

Finally Etiam has published experimental results from the system it has described in the links below. Here is the abstract from Part 5 of its series of reports:

Anomalous generation of thermal energy was observed in a reaction chamber filled with test materials and heated to the process temperature in moisture-free hydrogen gas atmosphere. The total amount of released thermal energy could not be explained with known chemical or physical reactions in the reaction chamber. Detailed instructions for making and handling the test materials are disclosed.”

The full report can be read here: http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part5.pdf

It’s a long report and there’s a lot of data to process. Here’s one chart which they say shows the excess energy production:

etiamchart

Their comments:

“Fig. 75. A comparison of runs S4-3 (calibration), S4-14 (high activity material) and S4-20 (low activity material). Only 400 W heating power was used. Yellow bar indicates a time span when a light source was used: upper yellow bar
for the S4-14 run and lower yellow bar for the S4-20 run.”

“Heating of S4-20 was switched off at 5 h 45 min and the output power dropped quickly. The ΔP value 9,9 W is the average difference between the green calibration line (280,0 W) and the output power of the S4-14 run. S4-14 run generated about 29,7 Wh excessive thermal energy between
3,0 h and 6,0 h process time.”

UPDATE: (Mar 10, 2016)

Parts 3 and 4 are now published. They say that Part 5 will have some experimental results.
http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part3.pdf
http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part4.pdf

UPDATE: (Feb 25, 2016)

Etiam has published a new document titled “Some details of the LENR test system”

http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part2.pdf

UPDATE: (Feb 17, 2016)

Thanks to John Littlemist for sharing a new document that has been published by Etiam Inc titled “Part 1
An overview of the LENR test system ”

The document can be read here: http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part1.pdf

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Etiam Inc. patent application ( http://www.google.com/patents/US20150162104 ) has been public since May 2013. According to the application, following 3 ingredients are needed in the reactor in order to get LENR:

– hydrogen gas
– dielectric material
– active hydrogen material: a metallic material capable of forming interstitial metal hydrides and/or electrically conductive metal hydrides (nickel, titanium, platinum etc.)

4th ingredient, apparently beneficial but not mandatory, is the Rydberg catalyst.

LENR reactions are initiated at the nanoscale (at least one dimension smaller than about 100 nm) by the combination of three control factors: sufficiently high hydrogen gas pressure in the reaction container, sufficiently high temperature in the reaction container and the polarization of a dielectric material.

Depending on the dielectric material, the polarization is done either by:
– variable temperature
– mechanical vibration, e.g. by an ultrasonic source
– static or variable magnetic field

The application contains various examples on how to initiate LENR reaction.

In example 1 the dielectric ingredient is lithium tetraborate, which is polarized by temperature variation.

In example 2 the dielectric ingredient is quartz powder, which is polarized by mechanical vibrations. (COP > 10 claimed)

In example 3 the dielectric ingredient is BiFeO3 powder, which is polarized by variable magnetic field.

Examples 1 – 3 do not seem to utilize Rydberg catalyst at all. Rydberg catalyst is used in example 10.

So, according to Etiam application, the LENR excitation is done by having a dielectric ingredient in reactor which is then polarized in multiple ways.

Etiam application has soon been public for 3 years. I am bit surprised for the lack of interest it seems to have amongst replicators.

John Littlemist

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are planning to start 5th April – all going well – our spectrometer has gone back to the manufacturer for an upgrade from 1024 levels to 4096 – this will allow us much better energy determination. In addition – we will be having a module added that will report on saturation event timings and this will let us pinpoint them.

  • artefact

    see below if you have not allready.

  • John Littlemist

    I just refuse to believe that the results revealed today are the best ones they have achieved. They have an excitation system which is described in report part 2 and also their patent application describes how the excitation (polarization of the dielectric ingredient) should be done. Yet the excitation is completely ignored in today’s report.

    • Sanjeev

      I was suspecting the same. Usually companies release their old R&D to keep the competitors in dark. This looks like an effort to attract some funding.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Will post some images of their set-up tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thankyou Etiam for making this work available and clear.

  • Mats002

    Good that Etiam avoid the ‘secret business’, their open approach make them trustworthy and replications can prove them right (or wrong of course if no-one over time can replicate). Positive replications will boost their business for sure.

    Go Etiam!

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

      Agree!
      By taking this approach, they don’t provide skeptics a target.

    • Sanjeev

      They are properly covered by patents, which may be the reason to make it public.
      From the equipment they have, they seem to be nicely funded and these reports may serve to bring more funds. It looks like they are on a proof of concept phase. (If you assume these are the latest results).

      • Mats002

        Many others in this business are covered by patents, properly or not is not possible to know at this point in time, history will tell.

        Agree the purpose of this show might be to attract more money, none the less an open approach build trust.

        I hope IH choose to be open about the ERV, otherwize Tom Darden’s glory fades away…

        • NCkhawk

          Mats002 – You’ve got to be freaking kidding man! Do you really think that Tom Darden is after glory? That is the last thing that I sense he is after. He does seem to be a fan of truth though – I’m guessing there is a battle underway right now around the truth between Rossi and IH. Have you considered the possibility that the “ERV” is all a fabrication or half-truth concocted by Rossi?
          Oh – and regarding Etiam – this was a mistake on their part if this is all that they have on the results side. They are in the noise with their “result” – it is not even close to acceptable levels for a claim of XP. Based on what they are releasing and drip feeding to the public, this is most likely a marketing move in an attempt to value their IP and might even be part of an attempt to monetize their pending patent. There is not much of an IP market for LENR at the moment and this comes across as a little clumsy. They may also want somebody to replicate then attempt to commercialize / ask for a royalty. Etiam is going to need to do better than this if they want value associated with their IP. As others have noted – perhaps there is more to come.

          • Mats002

            NCkhawk, I try to answer each question separatly as I understand your concerns:

            Darden’s Glory: I don’t think he is after glory, it is I who see a glory on his head because he did good things for LENR. IF he/IH is stalling the publicity of the ERV report his glory will fade in my eyes.

            ERV is fabrication of Rossi: Yes I have and still consider ‘Rossi says’ without verification is not verificated truth. For the moment it is Mats Lewan who supports that there is an ERV, I hope so but as you say…

            Etiam: OK they drop feed but still more open than ‘Rossi says’ and I appreciate that. I hope to see more competition in the LENR field, that is good for truth.

  • Gerard McEk

    It may be a positive result, but I think it’s so small that I wouldn’t publish it. I believe it will need al lot of talking to convince most of us that this is due to LENR. I think Pons and Fleischmann were a lot more convincing. As far as I could see there is no mention of any kind of radiation except of infra red (heat), which is also a bit dubious. They should at least have taken the effort to measure it for safety.

  • Sanjeev

    Looks like they did not explore the full temperature range, the reaction chamber temperature stays below 400°C.
    Perhaps a higher temperature (>1000°C) can produce more excess heat?
    Its good that they reveal their recipe clearly, so others can try a replication.

  • Sanjeev

    As expected, its a positive result. Somewhat underwhelming for me. 10W excess over 400W input is only 2.5%, which many may argue, can be a result of errors etc.
    I wonder why it shows a comparison with calibration instead of absolute power output. Perhaps a part 6 is under preparation ?
    Anyway, Rossi/IH need not worry too much.

  • John Littlemist

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but all test runs in the report part 5 seem to have COP < 1. The report does not tell whether the coil for forming variable magnetic field was used at all during the test runs. I think that the poor COP can be explained by the lack of excitation (variable mag field). Excitation system is mentioned in report part 2. Hopefully we'll see results from the excitated test runs in the next report.

    • Frank Acland

      I posted one of the charts above from the report which they claim shows generation of 29.7 Wh of excessive thermal energy

  • Bob Greenyer

    There were scientist mocking the MFMP MFC built by Mathieu with its 20% loss rate – and this has a 30% loss rate.

    Our point was that it is not the loss rate – it is the proper characterisation of the loss rate.

    I like the way Etiam is doing this.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Bob: What is the next step you would like to see them take?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Build a reactor that can operate at a higher temperature.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Certainly, the loss rate is not important as long as external parameters like room temperature and airflow are under control. But estimating the influence of these factors – especially of the second one – might be difficult if only little excess heat is produced. Therefore, an effective insulation of the calorimeter could help to reduce the risk.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      Any word from SKINNR?

      • Bob Greenyer

        No luck on the first run.

        We are sending them some AH50, their powder was not the same – and hopefully they will process it correctly to the recipe in the next run – it gives a small amount of room for other replicators to get in their first.

        • Sanjeev

          Even SKINR suffers from “replication but lets change everything” syndrome !
          Lets hope they don’t give up soon.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is more about not following our work at all and then trying to replicate as fast as possible. They did a lot right. I think they need mullite tube also – we shall see. Their setup also is also quite different.

  • John Littlemist

    Last page of part 4 is a teaser with mysterious “light source”. Hard to imagine what it is…

  • A quest

    Part 4 has been published today. It states that some results will included in part 5.

  • Bruce Williams

    The Part 2 technical update is an outstanding piece of work and the authors & experimenters deserve high praise. Thank you for sharing this with us !

  • magicsnd1

    I have a good quantity of Barium Titanate and a HF power system similar to what is described in the Etiam document #2. It’s not so simple though. The powder has to be pressed while exposed to a polarizing field, and then electrodes applied by plating or other deposition. Maybe after the Glowstick is done I’ll get to it.

    • John Littlemist

      AFAIK, barium titanate is a piezoelectric material, which should be polarized by mechanical vibrations, e.g. by an ultrasonic source.

  • Gerard McEk

    It all looks professional, compliments. A proper gamma counter may need to be added if they want to replicate the MFMP claims.

  • hunfgerh

    Can Hydrogen-Rydberg-Matter (HRM) explain cold fusion?

    According to my theory from 2001 ( DE10109973A1 ) so-called Cold fusion
    (CF) runs in two steps

    (1) p+ + e- + 0.78 MeV –> n + v // (p + + e- ) = H

    (2) H + n –> D + 2.4 MeV

    In step one, action of energy (0.78 MeV) to a hydrogen atom, form a neutron
    by electron-capture (e-cature).

    Energy exist in different forms : mechanical , electrical, thermal , … In addition, amount and action direction plays a crucial role for the desired result .

    But what form, amount and direction is the correct choice for the e-capture?

    For example:Thermal energy ( heating of hydrogen ) would ionized the hydrogen atom by electron loss at an energy input of 13.6 eV . That effect is contrary to the desired electron-capture. Therefore Hydrogen-Rydberg –Matter (with electron-configurations
    n >> 1) cannot play a rule in the e-capture mechanism.

    Most likely e-capture is realized by energy of an electric field . For
    this imagine that a H-atom is immersed in an ultra dense electron-sea . The
    electrostatic repulsion of the electrons pushes the k-shall-electron of the
    H-Atom via its core. At a given electron density e-capture results.

    H atoms in an ultra dense electron-sea can practically realized by hydridic room temperature superconductor ( H – RS ) . By coating conductive matter with ( H – RS ) in nano thickness.Hereby current densities of 10exp6 A / cm2 can achieved with < 1 A. Thus, the practical conditions of the e – capture are met .

  • Fyodor

    Has Etiam published any specific claims at any point about the level of excess heat they are seeing (if they are in fact seeing any)?

    • John Littlemist

      There are some rough claims about excess heat in their patent application. Now that we got some info on their test system I’m hoping to see more precise calculations about excess heat in the coming revelations… Hopefully we’ll see part II of “Studies on a thermal energy system” soon!

  • Axil Axil

    Are all piezo fusion crystal structures either Tetragonal or hexagonal crystal structure?

  • Axil Axil

    I would like to bring back to our collective memory this post

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/16/hexagonal-crystals-and-lenr-axil-axil/

    The Tetragonal and hexagonal crystal structure seems to be important as a quantum mechanical template for the production of hydrogen Rysberg matter which is itself a crystal with a series of hexagonal planes like graphite laid out in a long linear series of planes. Graphite and mica are hexagonal crystals.

    I list in my post how mica, graphite and quartz have many references in LENR preparation and occurrence,

    Barium titanate is a tetragonal crystal.

    • GreenWin

      Wait! Barium titanate? The stuff EEStor has been using for the past decade in U-caps??? http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/

    • Ted-X

      Graphite would form as small crystals within the nickel metal cracks if the nickel is first heated with carbon powder (to saturation) and then cooled; even better – cryogenically treated (48 hrs in liquid nitrogen). Nano-quartz or even elemental nano-silicon can form the same way.

  • John Littlemist

    As Bob Greenyer told below, MFMP did some Etiam inspired experimenting with “piezo material” back in 2013.

    The experiments were done by Wes Baish and the dielectric ingredient in the reactor was barium titanate.

    However, the experiments seem to deviate from the Etiam method at least in two ways:

    1. The used dielectric ingredient.

    In Etiam example the ingredient is quartz powder. I’m now too lazy to seek the application to find out whether barium titanate is mentioned there as a possible substitute for quartz.

    2. Polarization of the dielectric material.

    Barium titanate is a piezoelectric material, which should be polarized by mechanical vibrations, e.g. by an ultrasonic source. It seems that in MFMP’s experiments, no ultrasonic source was used at all, meaning that the dielectric material in the reactor never got polarized at all.

    sources:

    https://www.evernote.com/pub/webaish/powderexperimentslog#b=c15875cc-73a0-4ec0-972e-6fa168609a7f&st=p&n=9cd6f98c-1500-447a-9461-05100dcb267c

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ga2Rf9-R8pcTy_WAcPG_zZvHHbZ3-t1HYDYN923-Ol0/pub?amp;output=html

    • John Littlemist

      Oops! My claims above seem to be partially incorrect. Barium titanate is a ferroelectric material too. So MFMP’s experiments were on a right track after all. My bad.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectricity

  • John Littlemist
    • John Littlemist

      It was reactor R3 that contained barium titanate. I could not find any information on the ultrasound source you used. Did you have any?

    • Ecco

      Thanks for finding it. In other news, it’s probably a coincidence but it looks like Wes Baish went dark after he got samples of Fe2O3:K “Rydberg Catalyst” from Sveinn Ólafsson (handle: “sveinol”), a PhD from the University of Iceland who coauthored a few papers with Leif Holmlid on Rydberg Matter Hydrogen/Ultra-dense hydrogen.

      Apparently he’s been following the MFMP since 2013 at least.

    • Roland

      And also forms (BaTiO3) the foundation of the long awaited EESTOR advanced battery/capacitor technology, which did, after all, pass third party permittivity testing with flying colours at one prototype stage only to, apparently, flounder over other unknown issues on the way to commercialization.

  • hunfgerh

    The electron configuration of a hydrogen atom in its ground state is indicated as
    1s(1). What do you mean is the analogues Statement for a HRM (atom).

  • John Littlemist

    I don’t know for sure, but my guess is that since the object (grain) has 3 dimensions, at least one of those 3 dimensions should be smaller that 100nm.

  • Brokeeper

    John, this is a gem of theoretical information. I can see many theories are converging together to their eventual unity. Thanks for the post.

    • GreenWin

      INdeed, the early work of Randell MIlls appears right in line with thi latest Rydberg matter eperiment. Axil will happily ‘splain it to us maybe?

  • Ted-X

    The temperature fluctuations could precipitate nano-sized particles of metallic nickel under these conditions, via the nickel-carbonyl mechanism (I posted about this known physico-chemical effect in the past). The polarized quartz (or even better – polarized, high-voltage electret crystals) can provide sparks, and sparks are known to initiate the LENR in the gas/plasma phase… Defkalion style).

  • John Littlemist

    Thanks Frank for publishing my post!
    I already thought that my post got rejected here so I posted it to lenr-forum also:
    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2753-Etiam-Inc-patent-application-in-a-nutshell

    • ecatworld

      No problem, John — thanks for submitting it. Sorry about the delay.

    • peter gluck

      Dear John,

      please see my comment on my Blog EGO OUT
      you have done something really great and wonderful.
      Peter

      • John Littlemist

        Thank you Peter for your positive feedback!

        • peter gluck

          dear John,

          perhaps we could collaborate in some ways. If you agree please write to
          Due to vision problems I prefer e-mail for communication

          Peter

      • Brokeeper

        Peter, I just read your new post. Quite an awsome summary and tie to historical evedence with John’s post. Perhaps you could provide AR both links for his review and feedback, if not too premature. THANKS!

        • peter gluck

          Dear Brokeper,

          I wish I could communicate with A.R. in this problem, however
          a) he insists that the clue to LENR is directly nuclear physics a la
          Norman Cook (a charming gentleman otherwise- Normie Cook) nad will reject ab ovo my basic conncepts as LENR+, Six Pillars of LENR+
          and my Atomic Model of LENR published a few dayas ago. All these say that the approach to good LENR goes through engineering and Materials Science.

          b) I am rather a persona non grata for Rossi because I am friend of Franco Piantelli and also of Xanthoulis and Hadjichristos from DGT, despite their troubles.
          Such things happen-however fel free to convey him anything you wish
          You can include my hopes that we will see the raw COP data from the
          1MW plant – these will not reveal much about the technology.
          Thanks for your initiative,

          Peter

          • Ecco

            Hi Peter,
            I’m not sure if this is the right place for this question, but are you able to confirm that DGT used the help of people from Nichenergy (or perhaps Piantelli himself) as consultants? I’ve been told this a few years ago by a person who doesn’t seem to be writing anymore on the internet, but I’ve never been able to confirm whether this information was actually true or not (or inaccurate to some extent).

            If this is actually true, then one can understand why Rossi doesn’t have anything to do with people even remotely related with Piantelli or DGT.

            • peter gluck

              Dear Ecco,

              I can answer you exactly- there was absolutely no collaboration between Franco Piantelli and DGT, they never met and have not communicated. I have tried very hard to organize the meeting but it failed = the second time due to a big fuss made by Prof. Stremmenos. The story and my unfriendly polemics with Stremmenos are on my Blog and on Rossi’s
              DGT has studied and appreciated what Piantelli has made and published papers and patents alike. The reverse is not true, Piantelli has disagreed with DGT’s sparking stimulation method etc.
              You can write me e-mail in Italian too.

              Peter

              • Ecco

                Thanks for clarifying this for once and for all Peter, now I feel bad for having written inaccurate information.

                • peter gluck

                  Non c’è pace tra gli ulivi
                  In the Paese of LENR
                  you must be very careful with the sources of information.
                  Actually what had you told, I remember only vaguely.
                  Peter

          • Brokeeper

            Thanks for your candor Peter. I guess loyalty is sometimes too great of a sacrificial lamb for truth on either side. But as I said before, eventially error will eventually bleed out on all sides with enough open mindedness. Trust requires tested time. Keep up the good fight, Peter.

  • passerby

    What have they been doing for the past three years while this patent has been pending? Looks like they have not even updated their website since 2014. Not saying they don’t have something but if they do they certainly don’t seem in any hurry to do anything with it

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hoping someone would make it work.

      • John Littlemist

        Yeah sure Etiam could use some advice from MFMP on how to get excess heat 😉

        • Bob Greenyer

          We could use some advice if they are expert – since they claim to have achieved it – one wonders why they have never shown anything.

        • Bob Greenyer

          We dis try Piezo material at HUG, and saw nothing. Is a patent valid if it cannot be used as a template for demonstrating the claims?

          • John Littlemist

            Hi Bob, can you provide a link to your piezo material experiments?

            • Bob Greenyer

              I need to get my laptop repaired – It will be faster if I ask Ryan when I speak to him later. It was done because of the Etiam patent application.

              • John Littlemist

                Ok. Your experiment was never published? It would be interesting to see the details. Did you ever try to contact Etiam for advise?

            • Ecco

              http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/dormant-experiments/powder-test-cells?start=15

              Start going forward in time from here, starting from “Experiment Intro – Powder Test Cells”. The experiments were mostly performed by Wes Baish.
              There should be an Evernote Notebook with his experiment notes as well, but I can’t find it right now.

              I’ve never had a detailed look at his experiments as at the time I was focused on Celani cells, to tell the truth.