Rossi: “We Will Be Open to Agreements”

For many years whenever he spoke about the commercial development of the E-Cat, Andrea Rossi seemed to have a go-it-alone attitude, but lately there have been signals that Leonardo Corporation will be willing to cooperate with other companies in certain circumstances. Today, on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, Rossi made a comment in a response to a question that goes farther than I can recall in showing openness to working with other companies in the commercialization of E-Cat technology:

Dear Andrea Rossi:
Are you not worried of the titanic dimensions of the competitors that are looming ?
Cheers,
Audrey

Andrea Rossi
February 27, 2016 at 8:41 AM
Audrey:
We are making a tremendous job and it will be so difficult to compete against us, that it will be less expensive and dangerous to find an agreement with us. We will be open to agreements as well as hard to be pushed away. We are ready. F9.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Perhaps the influence of Tom Darden and others in his circle has been working on Rossi. Tom Darden advocated this cooperative approach in his speech at the ICCF19 conference in Padua last year (see here) when he said:

I know that some of you have felt that business are, and have been adversarial to your work. I understand that. But recall that commerce has long proven to be primary agent of change in every technical endeavor. We engage with the large companies and we all need them to achieve ubiquity for your ideas. We want to work in a collaborative way with many more large companies, and we want to help others do that.

If the E-Cat technology turns out to be as revolutionary as Rossi is indicating these days, I think it will be very likely that there will be many companies interested in incorporating it into their products, and it seems that the door is now open for discussions on how to do this.

  • Warthog

    I would think 100 mph not improbable. Drive would probably be by electrically driven ducted fans, gimballed to provide extra lift and maneuverability for takeoff and landing. Top cruising speed limited by the number of those installed.

    And the shape might not be “cigar” as in zeppelin, but “lifting body” as in the non-implemented space shuttle prototype. There are so MANY things that are improvable by current tech that direct comparison to zeppelins is not likely to be all that accurate.

  • Omega Z

    Your totally confused.

    You can’t Patent LENR as that is nature. However, you can patent the technology you develop to make it work and usable. That would include the electronics and the software as well.

    If you want to build you own you need to research it and develop your own devices that are different from Rossi’s with no infringment. Or end up in court.

  • Warthog

    I think not. With the E-cat providing lift as well as motive power, it would probably stay hot pretty much continuously, though it would need to be throttled up and down.

    • bachcole

      What happens when a major wind comes along?

      • Warthog

        Depends on the wind. With a max speed of 90 mph for an old zep, “most” winds would slow it down. For hurricane force winds, you fly around (or land and tie down), just like ALL aircraft except hurricane research planes do. And I suspect that an e-cat powered zep would have a higher top speed.

  • clovis ray

    Pintenlli does not deserve anything, you have to do something first.

  • clovis ray

    Piantelli , tried to steal his work, the patent office stopped that in the bud where is the p mans work, i have not seen anything he has produced, BIG 0.

    • John

      So explain this and why the Hell Piantelli created the technology, released it, went to hands of Rossi and then he tried to steal it from Rossi, Mr. Rossi is well known, he have tricks… http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf

      • Omega Z

        You lost all credibilty when you you involve newenergytimes.

        Regardless, the devices Rossi has filed patents on a totally different from early on. It is those designs that are patented. It is those designs that make it usable.

      • Andrew

        Krivit has been trying to screw Rossi since 2011. I surprised at the change of tune though, I guess he has come to accept that Rossi actually has what he says he has. My favorite article there is http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiPetroldragonStory.shtml

  • Alan DeAngelis

    From watching this, I have the impression that Focardi
    thought that what Rossi came up with was significantly different from what Piantelli had.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9I_CJti-RU

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe the E-Cat X (that makes electricity) will make the E-Fan that Alain mentioned practical.
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/07/parkhomov-replication-attempt-of-jean-paul-biberian/#comment-1841778515

  • Mats002

    Any translation to english available? I could not find a way to make translation at YT.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    I am all for power to the good guys!

  • Brokeeper

    Even with their wealth, I believe, from their past history and philosophies, they will become among the greatest philanthropists. Another win, win.

  • sam

    Raw capitalism and a Communist govermerment
    seems to be working in China.
    It helps that they have brain
    power and a large hard working
    work force.
    Like them or not they get things done.
    BTW I would prefer no government,company’s, unions,
    criminals etc.
    I know I am dreaming.

    • US_Citizen71

      Yes, I think you may be dreaming a bit at the end there as competition and territorialism is in our DNA. You need not look any further than the invisible border that gets drawn in the backseat of a car when two young siblings go for a long ride with their parents. But, we are capable of overcoming it, the millions of random acts of kindness the occur everyday speak to that.

      • sam

        Those two siblings want both sides of the story to be heard.
        Like freedom of speech that the
        Communist Countries are in short supply of.A person craves it.
        That is why Churchill was right
        when he said democracy is the
        Worst form of government except for all the others.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      It’s been said that communism was a very creative capitalist invention. If the “rabble” are going to have a revolution, provide them with
      one that has a central bank (one of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto).

  • georgehants

    What ever course Cold Fusion takes it can only be judged by the benefits it brings to the whole of humanity.
    It is a discovery, not an invention, just like air it does not belong to anybody.
    We will observe our society in the way that it is utilised, either freely for everybody or controlled for the gain of the few, power and money.
    We are all witnesses to these events and we all can have a say in how this discovery is used by our laughingly called betters.

    • LarryJ

      The energy tied up in an atom is part of our reality but trying to pull useful amounts of clean energy out of it requires an invention that so far nobody has been able to make. Obviously the person who solves that puzzle should be able to benefit from the result of their intellect and hard work. You are right when you say the power held in the atom, like air does not belong to anybody but you are wrong when you say the inventor should donate his intellect and effort to the greater good for free. That model leads nowhere. If the inventor had donated this invention it would never have seen the light of day. It takes money and lots of it to bring something like this to fruition for use by billions of people. So far the market economy has proven itself the best way to raise that money. I have no problem calling the people who bring miracles to my life “My Betters” because they have contributed so much more to the greater good than me.

      • georgehants

        Your problem above only requires another discovery, everything already exists it only requires discovering.
        So the drug company’s etc. telling people make me rich or die is your idea of a good society.
        Well you are certainly entitled to that view shared by many people.

        • LarryJ

          You believe it would be better for there to be no drugs because that would make us all equal. No help for anyone is much better than help for some, right? It’s better for all the sick to die than have your “betters” get treatment that some can’t afford.

          We now have a gene therapy cure for leukemia. Odds are the rich will be able to take advantage of it first and the poor will keep on dying from leukemia. Should we remove the profit from that tech and deprive the companies developing it the funds necessary to bring it to the masses or should we let the drug companies make a fortune off the tech and leave those that can’t afford it to die for now, knowing that in time, if allowed to flourish that tech will be reliable, ubiquitous and available to all. We live in a hard cruel world and so far technology is the only hope for changing that.

          Generally speaking all technologies tend to first be adopted by people with money. The Tesla electric car is a good example. The wealthy are able to pay exorbitant prices for new techs which provides an early market for the inventors. As the tech matures it becomes more reliable, inexpensive and ubiquitous. For instance, in India there is now a $4 smartphone. I bet they cost a lot more than that 7 years ago when Apple introduced them. I bet that $4 phone will improve a lot of lives in India and it would never have happened if Apple had not been allowed to make obscene profits in the start.

          It is unfortunate that we still have poor and disadvantaged people in the world and maybe one day with the help of technology we can actually eliminate poverty but until then your proposals would tend to stifle the very thing that could give you the world that you seek most. That would make you the enemy of the poor.

          • georgehants

            You state with no Evidence but propaganda that —–
            “your proposals would tend to stifle the very thing that could give you the world that you seek most”
            If you do not look at the problem with a view to improve things then clearly nothing will improve.
            You are saying that Cold Fusion is impossible so just deny, debunk and never Research.
            The longer a comment becomes, full of hand-waving and statements of opinion as Facts the less useful they become.

            • LarryJ

              Actually I am a long term believer in cold fusion. I placed my order for a domestic unit over 4 years ago. Technology is our best hope to improve things and in my opinion people who think as you do tend to stifle technology.

        • Omega Z

          There is nothing to stop you from building a manufacturing lab to produce drugs and sell for any price you wish. Over 90% of all drugs are public domain. No patents. Anyone can produce them.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      http://static.nautil.us/2904_b8b9c74ac526fffbeb2d39ab038d1cd7.png
      I think that what Rossi is doing now is the best way to save
      the most people.
      To save drowning people… http://nautil.us/blog/to-save-drowning-people-ask-yourself-what-would-light-do

      • georgehants

        Alan many thanks, but my comment was aimed at “the system”, Mr. Rossi is clearly doing what he thinks best within that system.
        Only as time goes by will we be able to judge how the system has benefited everybody or just a privilege minority.
        5, 10, 50 years where will Cold Fusion be?.
        only Time will tell.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Yeah George, in reality the 0.0001% are working on the most efficient ways to get rid of the 99.999% (us).

          • Alan DeAngelis

            One more 9. 99.9999%

          • Fibber McGourlick

            They don’t lock their money in a tower. It’s out there doing what money does, creating work and commerce and more of the same. Distribute it evenly and it dies.

            • Alan DeAngelis

              Yes, but they do want to “cull the herd”.

    • Warthog

      Your understanding of the concept of “invention” is defective. The physical laws that are eventually shown to underlie LENR comprise a “discovery”. The specific hardware developed to exploit those physical laws is an “invention”. There will be many inventions as a result of Pons and Fleischmann’s discovery.

      • georgehants

        Warthog I will concede to your point in general as mine is slightly more philosophical.
        ———-
        Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it.
        Michelangelo

      • clovis ray

        hi, warthog
        want to name what it was they discovered,

        • Warthog

          It already has a name……cold fusion. Although there are hints of the existence prior to P&F, they are the first to go out and deliberately look for the phenomenon.

          • clovis ray

            YEP, and they along with many others are still looking, on purpose .
            but they are to late, because Dr. rossi has found something better, it called The e cat, powered by the Rossi effect,——yahooooo

            • Warthog

              Ain’t buyin’ it. Anything Rossi has is a subset of LENR/coldfusion . There is no “Rossi Effect” as a separate phenomenon, not even as a hypothesis.

  • LarryJ

    I’m on Vancouver Island but just a simple consumer who put in an order for a domestic heater 4 years ago.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    With money comes political power/influence, in this world. It will be interesting.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Toilets first please. (Many parts of the 3rd world don’t use toilets. They crap in the bushes or wherever there’s an empty spot. Surprise!)

    • Warthog

      Yeah, but E-cats aren’t going to help with that problem.

      • LarryJ

        Ecats provide power, power pumps water, water powers toilets, power treats sewage. It’s a start.

    • Omega Z

      ” or wherever there’s an empty spot” including the river where they obtain their water. Thus spreading disease.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Using E-Cat Xs to make E-Cat Xs is a force multiplier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_multiplication
    I think that agreements will be more important for the applications of the E-Cat X. For example, working with an aerospace company to produce an E-Cat powered jet engine.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      E-Cat powered cargo planes with unlimited range delivering
      E-Cats all over the world would be another force multiplier.

      • Warthog

        For cargo, E-cat X zeppelins are a better choice, with the E-cat providing both motive power and lift (electricity and heat).

        • Alan DeAngelis
        • LarryJ

          You just can’t beat that 19th century tech. All the good ideas have already been thunk. The zeppelin was conceptualized around 1874. Sorta like mounting a jet engine to a stage coach. I’d love to see your necktie collections. Everything old is new again. As long as you’re proposing a period piece you could entertain the crew with Benny Goodman but maybe not, I think he came out way after zeppelins.

          Since you guys are thinking way outside the box here how about the 21st century idea of combining the ecat with the emf drive. I know I know, can you spell crazy.

          • Warthog

            Ah, but this is a very high-tech implementation.

            A “hot-gas” lift cell with two concentric chambers. The inner chamber contains hydrogen (generated by electrolysis with electricity provided by the E-Cat). The outer chamber is filled with nitrogen (extracted from air using membrane technology). Both gases are heated by the waste heat from the E-cat to provide lift. Any hydrogen that permeates into the nitrogen is removed by a hydrogen-selective adsorbent as the gas moves from the lift cell to where it is heated. Both N2 and H2 completely replenish-able on demand.

            Goods can be loaded directly from a factory in China, and delivered directly to non-seacoast cities (i.e. St. Louis, Chicago).

            • LarryJ

              What is its top speed and does wind have any effect on it? Can it fly over massive thunderheads. What about high mountain updrafts or the jet stream. Can you land it under high wind conditions. It just looks so slow, unwieldy and awkward to work with. Storing massive quantities of hydrogen is just an accident waiting to happen no matter how many fail safes you build in. As long as we are thinking old techs gone by I think an ecat powered ship would beat it hands down in every respect including speed, safety and handling.

              • Warthog

                I suspect that all your questions were answered by a guy named “Zepellin”. And please don’t feed me the old “hydrogen is evil” malarkey. Hydrogen is used daily all over the world in quantities from milliters to tons….safely. “We have the technology”. It is not the bugbear that you and many others play it up to be. (Note…I’m a chemist, I have used hydrogen often….safely).

                A zep’s cruising speed was 75 mph. I very seriously doubt that any container ship has ever even REACHED that speed, much less cruised at it.

      • Brokeeper

        Can you imagine the near limitless aerospace design concepts that will be realized when tons of loaded fuel is eliminated?

        • greggoble

          LENR NRNF Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Non Radioactive Nuclear Flight U.S. and E.U. Applied Engineering

          http://gbgoble.kinja.com/lenr-nrnf-low-energy-nuclear-reaction-nonradioactive-nu-1765958500

          It should be noted that the U.S. Navy, NASA, Boeing and AirBus have all filed LENR technology patents. The U.S. Navy LENR patent was granted in 2013.

          Also, look forward to the NASA LENR SUGAR Phase III Final Report in 2016/2017 and the works of U.S. FAA ASCENT LENR flight leader Dimitri N. Mavris.

          Which will come first, U.S. LENR NRNFlight or a certified home E-Cat unit?

  • Omega Z

    More likely Rossi is starting to understand the full potential of his E-cats and is beginning to understand the enormity of the task ahead. Even licensing to major players, it will take several decades to fill the demand.
    Just in time to begin replacing those devices at end of their life cycle.

    • LarryJ

      In a world of exponentially improving technologies a lot more happens in a decade than ever did before and that rate of change is rapidly increasing. In several decades the world will be completely unrecognizable from the world of today. We are wired to think linearly and that leads to time estimates that are far too conservative.

      • Omega Z

        “In several decades” is the key point. It will take that long to transition. It’s all economics and those economic limits will determine the transition period. Only about 10% of GDP goes to energy and it’s development. That may increase marginally, but that’s about it. That sets the timeline.

        New succesful technology also creates it’s own economic pushback. At $5 a gallon gas, you buy a 40mpg car & shortly after they introduce an 80mpg car. That will be my next purchase after I pay the current car off(Economic reality). However, Gas drops to a $1 a gallon. Now the 80mpg car will be my next purchase, After the current car starts falling a part. On the upside, when I actually do purchase another new car, It’s likely the mpg will increase. Regardless, the timeline was extended.

        As to things changing at an accelerated rate, that is mostly illusion. Most of that change is incremental marketing improvments in existing technology which actually took decades. The roots of the cell phone extends over 8 decades ago. Only they were called 2-way radios.

  • Bob Greenyer

    That does not square with only a proportion of the power being able to be directly converted to electricity.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If Dottore Rossi wishes to change the world in his lifetime he must enlist the aid of most of that world. There is much work to be done.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Peak – 1s. Main falloff for around 2-5 mins as observed by Celani in Bologna in 2011 in Rossi’s reactor, in 2013 in Celani wires by Mathieu and I and – it would increasingly seam, in the *GlowStick* 5.2 at the turn of January 2016.

    The exposure on a Human has been calculated today as around 1/10 of a medical X-Ray from the GS 5.2

    • Omega Z

      I believe Tungsten? can also act as a barrier which is likely used in the high temp E-cats.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – in fact – that and one other aspect that I will explain in the “Keeping the instruments in tune” part of “The Symphony of The New Fire” will fill in the remaining question based on empirical evidence

      • Bob Greenyer

        As I said in my video… because it is the only possible option to hold back nature in Lugano

  • Jonnyb

    There is only so much money you can spend in one’s lifetime especially if you are in your twilight years. More important could be a legacy and to stick a finger up to all those who tried to discredited you or hampered your work and life . If Andrea pulls this off he will be remembered for hundreds if not thousands of years and deservedly so.

    • Ophelia Rump

      If I could change the world, I would not wish to follow the example of Moses, who never got to enter the promised land. I would want to experience the change myself.

      Also it would be about 20K times more profitable to sign contracts and manufacture and sell only the fuel cores.

      • Mats002

        Hi Ophelia, talking about 3D printing chips, what about that Woodford Patient Capital Trust (yes the same that invested in IH/Rossi) recently also took on a tungsten 3D printer tech? Is it a sign that this 3D company is collaborating with IH/Leonardo?

        X

        • artefact

          Good morning. I think the 3d printer tech is for titanium: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1d008896-d561-11e5-8887-98e7feb46f27.html

        • Jonnyb

          I hope so I transferred my measly pension into this and it has gone down around 20%, looks like another 20 years+ work for me, so I’m routing for Andrea!!!

          • LarryJ

            Don’t lose hope in wpct yet. The game has barely started and IH is only 2.2% of the entire fund. These are savvy managers who did serious due diligence on IH. The whole market is down right now and IH have not made it into the public view yet. Markets go up and they go down. You might wear silk yet.

            • Jonnyb

              Thanks Larry, I tried to get Magna Gas as well but could not. I’m in for the long term.

      • Brokeeper

        We will begin to see a sharp exponential curve upwards within the next 10-20 years starting from day one of production. Money flow will right back into greater production, R&D and supported devices.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland February 27, 2016 at 1:33 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    I am glad to see you are open to agreements with companies to develop E-Cat powered products. Do you think you would ever make an exclusive deal with a company, effectively shutting out anyone else from using your technology?
    Many thanks,
    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi February 27, 2016 at 2:26 PM
    Frank Acland:
    No.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • artefact

      Well.. today:

      “Andrea Rossi February 27, 2016 at 7:18 PM
      Byron Mc Donald:
      I comfirm that, obviously, Industrial Heat is the exclusive Licensee of
      Leonardo Corporation also in all the Americas. What I answered to Frank
      Acland is that Leonardo Corporation is not intentioned, so far, to give a
      global license to a single entity. Global means in the whole world.
      Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

    I am old and cold.
    I just need 3.5kW to keep me warm.

    • Omega Z

      2bob, do you live in a 3`x 3` cubicle or just live where it is already warm.
      3.5KW is like 2 hair blow dryers.

      I think this is why so many mistakenly think this will be a quick transition. They don’t fully grasp how much energy they use. I our world of convenience, we just flip a switch and forget it. At least until the utility bill arrives.

      • bkrharold

        3.5KW is 84KWh a day, which is more than enough for most American homes.

        • Omega Z

          twobob says he wants to keep warm.

          Some years ago we had a bad winter. A N-gas furnace equivalent of 20KW run nearly 24/7 for 30 days and never exceeded 70`F in the house.

          This is not normal, but you have to plan for it even if it’s seldom needed. This was also a small home. About 980 square foot. The average single family home in the U.S. is 2500 square foot. Note 20KW would be 6 of Rossi’s glowing redish white 1400`C hot cats.

          The average oven is around 6KW and each burner about 3KW. 3.5KW means no family or holiday dinners, eliminates air conditioning as well as cloths dryers. They sell 4KW backup generators that are meant to operate a minimum of home service as they don’t have the capacity to run everything.

          The point is you can not use average energy consumption to power your home. You have to calculate in the peek use periods.

          • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

            I live in a small bungalow.
            Well insulated with a 19kW gas heating unit.
            I maintain 20c as back ground and supplement.
            with a 3.5kW heat pump in winter in the lounge.
            this gives a nice 25c sitting down working at computer temperature.
            I have maintained this at -8c.
            The 3.5kW run for 12h/day will save quite a lot on my heating bill.
            ( I keep the bed room at 16c)
            Thank you for your interest.

            • Omega Z

              In that context, it will save you money.

              Most people don’t have a clue how many therms or killowatts they use and how much it fluctuates during the day, week or month They only see the dollar signs on their utility bill and want to cry.

              You say your bungalow is well insulated. That’s good. I see people post they wont need to spend money on insulation which means they don’t fully understand all it does. Aside from that, If we waste the cheap plentiful energy, I fear it may soon not be cheap nor plentiful.

              Have a good day…

          • bkrharold

            I think the domestic ecat produces 10Kw of heat, so 20Kw would take just 2 units. The smaller number is the electricity that could be generated from 10Kw at about 35% efficiency. Yes you have to have some backup storage, to cope with peak demand. Battery technology is improving and the cost is decreasing. Tesla motors are building a gigafactory for batteries, and they have a domestic product available now.

            • Omega Z

              The cost of Tesla batteries is at leat 20 cents per killowatt and need replaced every 8/10 years. For batteries to become economical will likely require an entirely new technology other then Lihtium.

              I don’t rule advanced batteries out. What we need just isn’t here yet and may be decades away. In the mean time, we have to work with whats available.

      • Rene

        Another example: In the dark of winter, when it is completely overcast and the outside temps are at 34F, the 19KW (thermal) boiler runs for about 4 hours a day to maintain 72F inside. That is 76KWh thermal a day.

        • Omega Z

          Or have a 30 day period where the high for the 30 days was -3 and the your boiler runs 24/7 to maintain 70`F.

      • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

        Thank you for your reply.
        3.5kw driving my air con heat pump,
        gives me 11.00kw approx., at 0c

  • jimbo92107

    It might seem frivolous (and it is), but I’d like to have a coffee cup that stays warm for years. Or just a little heating pad that sits at about 180F. It would be a handy little thing, and standing proof that LENR is real.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I would like to see this for the 3rd world

    • Heath

      Affordable desalinization will be the key to the world’s future. I hope that this will become ubiquitous very quickly. The one thing I love about watching game changing tech lately, is how quickly it spreads now a days.

      • Omega Z

        You know technically desalinized water is cheap today for drinking. 1/3rd cent per gallon or 300 gallons for a dollar. It’s becomes expensive when you start irrigating with it and all the other uses.

        It is also the cost of the desalinization infrastructure, the pipelines to carry it to homes etc…

      • jimbo92107

        That’s the point of the coffee warmer. How does it work, if it’s never plugged in? Magic?? No, LENR.

      • LarryJ

        There are environmental issues to be considered with massive desalinization aside from the consequences of turning the Sahara into a garden. Something has to be done to safely dispose of or store all that salt. Widespread desalination around the world could change the average salinity of the oceans and could be devastating for the local ocean ecology if simply pumped back into the ocean. On the bright side, brine is the major source of Lithium.

        • mcloki

          Salt can be stored underground. It’s a mineral.

          • LarryJ

            That’s a good point and I don’t know the details of this issue. It is also possible that as long as the salt was fed back into the ocean and into a strong current to protect the local ecology that overall salinity might not be badly affected since most of that desalinated water will eventually find its way back to the ocean anyway in the form of precipitation and treated sewage.

            • Omega Z

              Recycling is a cheap solution for potable water if people can get past the ick factor. Presently you take water from a river, process it in a treatment plant to being potable, Use it and send it to a sewage plant which is reprocessed to cleaner standards then what was originally taken from the river. Then dump it back into the river. Recycling would actually reduce the original treatment process as you start with clean water verses the river water.

        • Bob Greenyer

          not when the water returns to the sea… either by flow or evaporation/precipitation

        • Pekka Janhunen

          “Widespread desalination around the world might change the average salinity”. No, it won’t: ocean level remains the same, amount of salt there remains the same.

          It is true that if salty water is put into ocean using a large pipe, adverse local ecological effects may occur.

          An alternative to desalination is to condense water from the atmosphere using a heat pump. It’s energetically more expensive, but does not require long pipelines from the nearest ocean. If the condensed water returns back to atmosphere by local evaporation (rather than sinking into groundwater), it does not change the atmospheric conditions.

          • LarryJ

            Thanks for the clarification. I know little about the issue and pondered the same thought a couple of comments below.

          • Omega Z

            San Diego, Califormia is bring their 1 Billion$ desalination plant on line. It will process 100 million gallons a day with 50% returned to the ocean with dispersal pipes. The 50 million gallons a day potable water will supply about 7% of the cities needs. It took about 3 years to actually build, but 15 years total due to enviromental lawsuits. Desal cost is about $1 per 300 gallons.

            I don’t think a condensing system of this scale would even be close to economical. Any way you look at it, there are a lot of issues. None with a simple solution at this time.

        • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

          the clear water extracte from the sea will return to the sea, as rain from evaporated water from field, from toilets of people eating produced food, from showers, as rivers from irrigated fields, …

          best will be to dump salt in the ocean, but well mixed, probably not far from a river’s mouth.

          fear of lack of clear water is just scaremongering.
          Lack of drinkable water is a wealth and energy problem, not an environmental problem.

          water is massively recyclable. In worst case you only have to accelerate the recycling, maybe by drinking retreated toilet/shower water, by moving (rain)water from wet to dry zone.

        • US_Citizen71

          There are many open pit mines in the world filling them with salts when they are no longer profitable to mine would be one option.

          https://www.google.com/search?q=open+pit+mines&biw=1280&bih=595&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijiOnd_JrLAhWGvYMKHYmuDxwQ_AUIBygB

        • Omega Z

          You’re correct about the environmental issues with desalinization.

          Currently a portion of the water(about 50%) is returned to the source and must be dispersed for salt content dilution. Something already in practice but needs much improvement. It creates dead zones.

          Water intake also needs to be improved. Currently, billions of species are killed every year in the intake system and this number will greatly increase with expanded desalination use.

      • mcloki

        Desalination, vertical indoor farming. It’s. A game changer

      • Roberto Siquieros

        It doesn’t need much water to regenerate a dessert. Mostly it needs political cooperation, changes in grazing / hunting / agricultural practices, and the establishment of ecologies that keep the water cycling locally.

    • Omega Z

      I have just such a heating pad that fits my cup plugged in.

      However, if you drink the coffee to slowly, it gets kind of strong after a while.

  • Christina

    E-Cat-heated cooking pots and slow cookers wo0uld be great for the Third world and for camping in the First

    For years, though, the price will be out of the reach of the poor. That’s a problem.

    • US_Citizen71

      I don’t think it would be that bad. You would only need 2-3kW of heat, Rossi’s current E-Cat X is in that range. If you close the loop with a battery you have a self heating pot that would maybe be 5-10X the price of a standard pot at least by cost to produce. New batteries or fuel charges would be minimal costing as well.

      • passerby

        I thought one thing we learned from the recent MFMP announcements is that all ecat models must use lead shielding to prevent harmful emissions. That sounds fairly heavy to be incorporated into a cookpot, not to mention how problematic it would be to have a battery module sitting so close to the heat source.

        • US_Citizen71

          Who says the battery has to be close? It could be on a 6ft cord or just under it with insulation between it , or even next to it like the Biolite jet stove products. As for weight it would be lighter than the wood needed to replace the heating part. It might be easier and all around more useful to just make it a single burner stove equivalent.

    • LarryJ

      That is not a given. For instance there is now a $4 smartphone for sale in India.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/17/worlds-cheapest-smartphone-released-in-india.html

      The Smartphone has only been around for 7 years and the ecat is orders of magnitude easier to manufacture than a smartphone.

  • wondering

    My guess is Rossi would like to be remembered as the person that made abundant, cheap and poluttion free energy a reality, when in fact after having invested so much time, it can look like he will be that person.
    If he sells his technology to some big company right now when this is completely unknown to most people it would forever be thought of as Toyota’s or whatever other big corp’s invention. So he’d like to commercialize it himself now but would license it to corps in the future after it is widely known.

    Some might see this as delusions of grandeur, I do not. Cheap, abundant energy is a pretty grandiose thing.
    Rossi will make a lot of money for sure but I doubt that is what drives him, he seems like a guy who would continue researching as long as his health allows it.

    • pg

      It is a delusion if it does not work, if it does, that is probably the smart thing to do to get the deserved recognition + the deserved wealth.

    • jimbo92107

      Don’t sign any exclusive agreements. The technology is far too important to allow any large company to own major parts of it.

      • wondering

        Some companies do dual license their software, GNU GPL for open source tinkering, commercial license for commercial use. Not a patent expert but I suspect that wouldn’t much different: You can build a Rossi E-cat for private use but you can’t start selling them without a license.

        Linux is a bit different situation though. Linus Torvalds remains the head of Linux kernel work as it is one cohesive source code base. If Rossi went “open source” , it would be totally out of his control and if not well known yet, chances are he wouldn’t get the deserved recognition for his work. Perhaps further down the road he will.

  • Gerard McEk

    From business point of view, that seems the best thing to do. There is a vast potential. Everything what uses power is potentially an ‘join partner’ for E-cat integration. It also frightens me, this monopoly of te E-cat and the increadable commercial power that is looming.

    • Brokeeper

      Much agreed Gerard. Cooperation is much more advantageous, especially dealing with large corporations and government, than being competitive obstructionists. Doing so will only secure Leonardo’s lead and IP protection under the umbrella of comprehensive contracts. A very positive future it is.