]Rossi’s European Patent Application Includes New Details [Updated with New Provisional Patent Application] (Ecco)

Many thanks to Ecco for posting this news.

In other news, here’s Rossi’s european patent application for his “Fluid Heater” patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/WO2016018851A1

Interesting excerpt that I don’t remember being in the US patent:

In one embodiment, the reagents are placed in the reaction chamber at a pressure of 3-6 bar and a temperature of from 400 C to 600 C. An anode is placed at one side of the reactor and a cathode is placed at the other side of the reactor. This accelerates electrons between them to an extent sufficient to have very high energy, in excess of 100 KeV. Regulation of the electron energy can be carried out by regulating the electric field between the cathode and the anode .

UPDATE: Here’s another comment by Ecco

More interesting information from the provisional US patent application 61/999,682 linked in the WIPO page for this european patent application.

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000032278621/PDOC/WO2016018851.pdf

  • Zephir

    Once the Russians published plasma stimulated cold fusion, A.Rossi issues a new patent on the same principle…

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The 100 KeV electrons are more than likely delta rays. “A delta ray is
    characterized by very fast electrons produced in quantity by alpha particles or other fast energetic charged particles knocking orbiting electrons out of atoms.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_ray

    From the 8.7 MeV alphas, He(4) from the following reaction.

    Li (7) + H(1) > Be(8) > 2He(4) 17.4 MeV

  • Ecco

    More interesting information from the provisional US patent application 61/999,682 linked in the WIPO page for this european patent application.

    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000032278621/PDOC/WO2016018851.pdf

    http://i.imgur.com/C2qx6Sn.png

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is consistent with his theory at the time.

  • Benny

    I think this is a diversion from Rossi. A >100 keV electron gun (including acceleration voltage generator, electron emitter etc) takes quite a lot of space and would dramatically complicate the design and volume of an e-cat reactor. Nothing like this was seen in e.g. the Lugano tests. But if he could get the competition to go along this path, it would take a long time only to find it’s a dead end…

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think you are right

      • Gryphon

        Will you be confirming that tomorrow? 😉

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I understand that this is the gas-cat recipe. In Lugano (electric heated cat) he had coil producing heat and alternating EM-field, and in gas-cat patent he has gas for heating and DC electric (anode and cathode).

      However, many things are unclear and the description looks even bizarre. Does one needs 100 kV voltage source? Nickel powder is conducting, so why doesn’t it short-circuit the field? If a lower voltage is sufficient, how can electrons get 100 keV energy, plus that the powder would short-circuit also that? Why would 100 keV electrons liberate neutrons, and why are said neutrons not detected? And Rossi has systematically denied the validity of electron capture theory, how come he now seems to embrace it or do I misunderstand? Also I doubt that 50-100 keV x-rays would be absorbed by the small nickel powder grains. They would need several millimetres of nickel, I think (didn’t check it though).

      That said, this is patent text, of which we see only part (?). Misleading and addition of stupidities is in principle allowed, and the theory part is not needed and if it exists, it doesn’t have to be correct. What counts is the set of claims.

      • Ecco

        This is what Piantelli writes in EP2754156A2, it might be related with what Rossi is describing in that provisional US patent cited in the european patent application for Fluid Heater:

        In particular, the step of ionizing the hydrogen can comprise a step of continuously or variably or discontinuously supplying an energy vector to the hydrogen, in order to assist the molecular dissociation of hydrogen and to cause a further formation of H- ions in addition to the H- ions that are formed by interaction between molecular hydrogen H2 and a cluster surface […]

        Such energy vector can comprise a ionizing radiation of various nature and frequency. In particular, such ionizing radiation can be selected from the group consisting of:

        – a radiofrequency, in particular microwaves;
        – a high intensity light radiation, as the one that can be obtained from concentrated spot power lamp or from a laser system;
        – a light radiation;
        – a UV – radiation;
        – an X – radiation;
        – an a – radiation;
        – a β – radiation;
        – a y – radiation;
        – a combination of such radiations.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Yes, if ionised hydrogen is what one needs, there are many ways to produce it.

          • Ecco

            In retrospect, it could also serve as an impulsive triggering method. If it’s done with short glow discharges, it should be able to cause sudden thermal rises, pressure waves, light/UV emission, etc.

      • hunfgerh

        In my e -capture theory play nm thick superconducting layers ( PdLiH or NiLiH ) on normal conductors ( Pd or Ni ) the decisive role . When current switchinges from the normal conductor ( mm ) to the superconductor ( nm ) , the electrons will accelerated from 10exp – 4 m / sec to ​​10exp2 m /sec. This results in the high electron energy . Decisive for the e -capture is not the generated kinetic energy of the electrons but the associated higher electron density therewith .

    • Rene

      You do not need a 100keV gun. The 100keV wording merely states that introducing some (unspecified) amount of current for some (uspecified) amount of time at some (unspecified) repetition rate generates 100KeV electrons.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Perhaps there is a connection to the alleged „internal heater“, about which has been speculated at least since 2011. Be that as it may, we know now which type of stimulation is used. The next question is how these electrodes must be arranged to obtain an effective and controllable electric field. Speculation will continue.

    • Ecco

      I suspect he’s simply trying to ionize hydrogen using short glow discharges.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes.

        Also – this approach is in the original (but now lapsed) Cannon patent.

        • pg

          Hi Bob, when are you guys going to elaborate on your end of carbon age statement?

          • pg

            And does it have something to do with Olaffson and Holmlid?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Tomorrow at some point, the roll out will occur, donors that have accumulated $100 or more up to 22:00 UTC will have pre-release information today.

            • Fibber McGourlick

              Why discriminate against the donors who contributed less than $100? They did offer their support.

        • Gerard McEk

          And, more importantly, bring it to the atomic state, I guess.

          • Ecco

            Not just atomic state, but also possibly bringing hydrogen atoms in an excited state.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes, that is the case

        • Ecco

          It was DGT’s approach as well!

          • Gerard McEk

            Indeed, that’s what I thought too.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

        • Andreas Moraitis

          However, the „sparky cell“ experiment did not work. It might be an option to reactivate it and to test it with the latest fuel recipes.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Wasn’t really tried to be honest.

  • jimbo92107

    If you alternated anodes and cathodes in a circle within the reaction chamber, I wonder if you could create an electromagnetic vortex? That might allow you to pull energy from the device with induction from outside the chamber. A LENR induction generator. That would be fun to play with. An atomic Tesla turbine.

  • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

    That’s the stimulation!

  • artefact

    ohh!
    Maybe the anode and cathode can be made also as the exit for excess electricity.

    • Ted-X

      The reactor might be toroidal in this case.

    • Brokeeper

      Again, perhaps like a vacuum tube design with a control grid between.

      • Axil Axil

        A transistor whose grid controls the output current.

        • Brokeeper

          That too.