Where is E-Cat Town, USA?

On January 1, 2016, just after midnight, Andrea Rossi posted about a “dream” he had about implementing his technology into a residential neighborhood in which streets would be lit, and homes would be powered and heated by E-Cat technology. Here’s part of his post.

The E-Cat X had been produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to distribute heat and electricity to the houses.

In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts, consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers, the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity to the households.

Since that time, on the JONP he has referred to that “dream” and said that he had a place in mind. Now, it seems that he has gone further than just thinking about it. Here’s a Q&A from the JONP today:

Dr Andrea Rossi,
Are you already in contact with the authorities of the town of the USA wherein you will make true your Eve of the New Year dream (F9)?

Andrea Rossi
February 14, 2016 at 8:13 AM
Manuel:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I’m sure Rossi won’t be revealing the location until many details of this project would be finalized. My guess is that you’d have to implement this E-Cat neighborhood in a brand new residential development, rather than going into a neighborhood and trying to refit existing infrastructure for the E-Cat. And there will have to be robust and reliable E-Cat products in the marketplace before you could get serious about planning this kind of project. But Rossi seems to be serious about making his dream a reality and it sounds like he’s taking the necessary first steps.

BTW, another comment gives an idea of how motivated Rossi is to get on with things. He said today that “next year I want to run the Vasalppet, this is a stimulus to make faster with the E-Cats!”

I think he’s referring to the Vassalopet, which according to Wikipedia is “an annual long distance (90 km) cross-country ski race (ski marathon) held on the first Sunday of March in northwestern Dalarna, Sweden between the village of Sälen and town of Mora.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasaloppet)

  • DrD

    It seems they are so small and if Dr R can mass produce at low cost you probably wouldn’t repair in situ, just swap out with a plug in replacement (OR just the fuel wafer). The old unit (Or fuel) could be returned for refurbishment.

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    MY QUESTION = Where is E-Cat car?

    If you need sixty 1 kilowatt E-Cat X cells to power a midsized automobile, that bundle would be about the size of 60 cigarettes times 5 (estimate) in total, plus some other equipment and Prius sized battery pack, which will soon be smaller, lighter, and much cheaper thanks to vastly improved technology. As we now know, E-Cats only have to be refueled once per year. 365 days times 24 hours = 8760 hours times average speed of 40 mph = 350,400 miles. So lets say my numbers are way off, we still have a car that does not need to be refueled even after 200,000 miles, or the average lifespan of the vehicle itself.

    “in the 2000s the typical car lasts closer to 200,000 miles”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_longevity

  • DrD

    Well an obvious starting point would be in an under developed 3rd world country where they might most benefit from free power but more importantly AR would have less beaurocracy to over come. At the very least it would facilitate a learning curve. He does say in the US though. I have t agree, it’s not clear why the streets lights need to house the E-cats but so what.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Located in the lamp posts so the city would be empowered. This would motivate the city to host the demonstration. Government does not appreciate people-power.

    • Omega Z

      While starting out in a 3rd world country sounds logical, in reality, it is not.

      There’s a reason major products such as cars, refrigerators & such start out as trickle down products. They are capital intensive to start up and 1st adapters pay the premium prices. In time, those costs decline letting the less well to do to be able to afford them. I’m certain some cheap products today would never have come to market or been delayed by many years if not for those more affluent paying the startup costs.

      In addition, 3rd worlders have little need seeing as they have little or nothing requiring electricity. The reason being they have no money to buy such energy requiring products to begin with.

      That said, Cheap energy is essential to help open the way for them to gradually improve their living standards. But, It will not happen over night. Even with cheap energy, infrastructure will still cost Billion$. That will not change.

      • Roland

        In rural Africa 40% of the family budget goes to kerosine for illumination; there is a robust business in placing PV/battery + lights & laptop outlets in huts on a lease to buy arrangement that cuts the cost of light & power to 20% of the family budget.

        Kids work on laptops at night and get an education, and no one is breathing toxic life shortening fumes every evening just to read a book…

        Have a heart, the people benefiting from this program will go to extraordinary lengths to make sure the payments are met as this simple thing is life altering for them and gives parents hope that their children will have better lives.

        • Omega Z

          Roland,

          “40% of the family budget goes to kerosine”

          That’s my point. These people are starting with nothing. It will take several decades to develop these places. They have zero infrastructure. No roads to speak of, no potable water & distribution system or sewer & sanitation, no wiring in their homes or appliances that need it. Nothing and little income to change that.

          It took many decades for the developed world to build out to what we have today and face it, The developed world used to accomplish a lot more for a lot le$$ in less time then we do today.

          To make things worse, If You want to go in and change that, you 1st need to bribe there Government(Top to Bottom) or they wont let you in. If you start with a million$ for a project, you’ll be lucky if you end with 10% of that left to actually commit to the project. Regatdless, this will take a long time…

          • DrD

            Surely that first point’s an argument for giving them E-Cat x’s. They don’t need a lot of infrastructure at the most basic level (providing local small electric generators with heat (and light) as a bonus. Yes it’s a shame about the corruption but it’s not only 3rd world that suffers that.

      • LarryJ

        One of the beauties of this tech is that it does not require a huge infrastructure beyond the factories to manufacture and maintain it. The biggest infrastructure cost would be in the obsoleting of existing infrastructures. Rossi may be proposing a centralized distribution model to placate the owners of the current infrastructure. If the devices were sold as CHP (Combined Heat and Power) units they could be quite easily retrofitted into homes with existing centralized heating and cooling systems. The electrical power would be integrated with the house’s power panel. The grid would still be required for controlling the unit but a small Powerwall type battery system could totally eliminate the grid connection.

      • DrD

        I get what you say but I have a friend, part of whose job is
        overseeing the distribution of donor’s funds to help alleviate global warming
        and assist conservation projects. Western governments (especially the US) and
        charitable organisations set aside funds for this. I’m not into it so I can’t
        give the figures but it’s big. Regrettably, much of it seems to be siphoned off
        or used inefficiently. I
        get the feeling that some governments ease their consciences about not being
        enthusiastic about introducing far reaching carbon (and other pollution)
        reduction schemes by offering grants to help third world countries to do
        exactly that.
        I see Roland mentions below some good points.

        Anyway, I’m not suggesting Dr Rossi donates as a charity even
        though I have the feeling he’s a very charitable person anyway. I just thought
        it might be an opportunity with less bureaucracy.

  • Omega Z

    Guessing The Name Game…

    A new Subdivision to be named Rossiville.

  • jaman73

    I agree with Observer that it should be in or near EPCOT. Perhaps, the village willbe called EPCAT.

  • Ophelia Rump

    The distribution network would cost more than the reactors. This vision only makes sense if you are not permitted to put the reactors directly into homes. I cannot say that I share this dream, it looks like a way to keep the technology behind a paywall.

    • Rene

      I agree this dream does not seem cost effective given the massive infrastructure that has to be set up. I have to wonder why Rossi would go this way, even in his dreams, given his claims that e-cat tech scales down as well as up. The most economical approach would be home units that replace existing equipment such as furnaces, air conditioners or water heaters. That the e-cat power unit also has an inverter option to generate AC 50/60Hz 120/240V makes it even more saleable in the home HVAC + backup power market.
      His dream of municipal systems that require massive labor intensive setups makes no sense in existing cities. Even in new cities, he would have to convince developers, contractors, municipal planners to set up that kind of power/heat delivery system, and, the time horizon for that sort of large scale muni-power thing is measured in decades.

      • DrD

        I can only think it’s beacause he can provide a service to a whole town quickly and with minimal sales input by only having to get the approval of a smaller number of officials rather than house to house sales. I agree, it should soon drive itself (the sales I mean) but this may be a quick start.
        As some mentioned, it also puts the Government in control so they might be agreeable to it.

    • Omega Z

      Ophelia,

      If these should become CHP systems for the home, the best & most economical installation scheme would be outside the home. Similar to a Central Air unit only larger.

      In this way, you merely run an inlet & outlet lines that run to an inside airhandler for both heating and cooling. You already have an outside electrical service box to tie in the electrical service. A complete system would be around 4` x 4` x 6 foot tall self contained unit that would be placed on a preset elevated slab.

      No need for metering. Annual servicing will suffice and taxes will merely be shifted to some other means. ie, property tax, corporate tax, income tax. All are paid by the people.

      Note the above installation scheme eliminates all kinds of safety & regulation issues.

    • Gerard McEk

      I agree. I can only understand it if safety cannot be guaranteed.
      I assume that it may be possible that the E-cat releases e.g. tritium in very small quantities. That would make it unusable for in-hous use. At the same time one could consider putting the device at the outside, that would solve that problem, if it exists at all.
      Another possibility is that people start fidelling with the control and that it runs out of control, which may lead to fire and hurt people or even to casualties. But the same could happen with a gas boiler, so I cannot think that it is much worse, but maybe it is.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        If I were early adopter, I would install outside the home maybe buried. Buried to keep secret.

        • Gerard McEk

          Maybe a wise thing to do, but also quite sad:
          The new, bright shiny E-cat X, full of energy, immediately buried to protect us against its evil powers…. ;-(

          I do hope that it will not be needed Iggy, otherwise the road the New Fire will be long and difficult.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Govt needs to be onboard for acceptance.
      Think of lamp-post as TrojanHorse.

      • LarryJ

        Governments can delay progress but no entity can stop it. A technology like this with such obvious and desperately needed benefits will steamroller anyone or thing that stands in its way once the world knows it’s real. All that requires is products in the marketplace. Rossi’s approach of a massive production right from the start is a sound strategy both for acceptance and protection of his invention. The Wright brothers made little from their invention because they focused their efforts on protecting their patents which only succeeded in making them look greedy while others did an end run around them. I don’t think that lesson is lost on Rossi.

  • Observer

    I would vote for Epcot.
    (if I had a vote.)

  • http://www.animpossibleinvention.com/ Mats Lewan

    It’s spelled Vasaloppet, as Rossi wrote 😉
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasaloppet
    Inspired by a journey made by King Gustav Vasa in 1520.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Where is E-Cat town? Doesn’t exist yet. It’s either vaporware or just a look into what he would like to build if it all works the way he wants it to.

    Rossi may be a serious inventor and there is no doubt he has built and is testing a machine; but assuming that all the factory proclamations on his blog represent anything more than random musings is in my opinion now worthy of our blog time. How about the survey in Latribune.fr. How about followup on BLP. And how about Orbo. That’s news.

    If Rossi had a factory up and running, it would be declared, have an address, and we would see deliveries like we see from Steorn. Rossi claimed a ROBOT factory 3 years ago. Didn’t exist at that time. Steorn’s device may be a disappointment only worthy of Sharper Image mall stores (or it may work, still don’t know for sure yet), but at least its been delivered publicly. Rossi’s E-Cat Town is vaporware

    • LarryJ

      All very hard nosed. There are a few of us here who like to dream a little because sometimes dreams do come true.

      • Anon2012_2014

        LarryJ,

        I like to dream too, but I need to use the available information to decide how I am going to focus my time. As much as I hope that Mr. Rossi has the goods, I can’t focus the words of a blog that have no backup in the real world of hard facts. I wish Mr. Rossi well and look forward to the possibility he will disclose and submit for verification the entire project without preconditions.

    • mike wolf

      You may be right. The ecat is impossible for the “dream” task. However if the xcat generates electricity and is covered under the patent, I can see this as reality pretty fast. And it seems Rossi’s attitude has shifted to certainty in his words. I really think things have changed for Rossi since xecat. And if he can gang them like the ecat, The sky is the limit. The only thing that makes me doubt any of this is Rossi telling a reader that the ecat is still viable, How? The xcat obsoletes it. Rossi’s ambiguity has been frustrating ever since I knew about him. I hate that positive or negative comment he always makes and its F9 replacement is just as bad.

    • http://www.thinktankreport.com/ Phillip Power

      Probably vaporware but, if E-Cat Town does exist, it must also have a Lonely Street:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn6DB6-NPnQ

  • Stephen

    I know Andrea Rossi is thinking of a place in the USA, which given their past support to him is understandable. But talking about the Vassalopet wouldn’t Sweden be a great place to do it in Europe? I can think of a great place to do it there too:

    http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/oct/22/kiruna-sweden-town-moved-east-iron-ore-mine

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

    I think we need to take such statements with a large pinch of salt. “in contact with” might just mean that he has run the idea past a city planner of his acquaintance. Installing hot water pipes in street lamps would be a rather strange idea. Better to put all the e-cats in a dedicated building and pipe the power and water around local ‘mains’ as for most existing co-generation systems.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      If light is a plentiful by-product of ecat-x that Rossi wouldn’t want to waste, then local street lights could be powered by fibre-optic cables running from the local power building. However, with the cost of LED bulbs and other ultra-efficient light sources falling quickly – why bother.

  • f sedei

    Interesting Video re: Randell Mills, Brilliant Light Power. Competition for Rossi?

    http://brilliantlightpower.com/demonstration-days/

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus
      • f sedei

        Thanks. Can’t believe I missed the posting.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

          Posts move on quickly and it’s easy to miss things. Taking it all in would be practically a full time job (as I’m sure Admin knows).

          • mike wolf

            Yea, Frank is a cut above really. Everyone has their talents. I don’t know what Frank’s are. But his fortitude in this ecatworld thing is very commendable. I for one am very happy he stays on top of it. No matter what he may be missing. After all this is “ecatworld” not alternativeenergyworld.