Rossi: Leonardo Corp has New Factory Dedicated to E-Cat X Production

It seems that Andrea Rossi is increasing in confidence about the potential of the E-Cat X to be a viable mass-market product. This week he has talked about certain events taking place that he thinks will speed up

Maurice:
at 08.27 a.m. of Thursday Feb 11 2016:
1 MW E-Cat stable
E-Cat X operating and still very promising.
Surely we will work also in France. F9.
The E-Cat X is now developed in a new factory wherein Leonardo Corporation will dedicate its production.
We are already preparing the structure for a massive production, F9. I am working with a US engineer expert of the involved matter indirectly in contact with aerospace concerns. He is not involved in the 1MW issue. He is in the scientific commettee of Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards
A.R.

Rossi has said that he is working in the Miami, Florida area both with the 1MW plant and the separate location where the E-Cat X testing has been done. I’m not sure if this factory is the same location as where the initial E-Cat X work has been done but it’s a possibility. He also has said recently that there are separate teams working on the 1MW plant and E-Cat X now.

As far as the timing of getting the E-Cat into the marketplace, here is another Q&A that gives an indication of Rossi’s confidence in getting the E-Cat to market speedily:

Q: 49% chance that the E-Cat will be industrialized by 2016: is it too high a figure?

Andrea Rossi
February 10, 2016 at 9:32 AM
Jed:
No, it is not too high a figure.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

We know that Rossi has very often been optimistic in his projections about the speed at which things happen, so I don’t think we can hang too much on what he says here, but it does sound like he’s going all out to reach his lifetime goal of being a revolutionary energy industrialist. I think we should consider that he is in the latter part of his working life (not that I think he’ll ever stop working), and he surely has the motivation to work as hard and fast as he can to realize his lifetime goals.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    By the way, the Titanic isn’t sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic. It’s its patched up sister ship, the Olympic
    that was damaged before the “Titanic” sank.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOca_wTZ5BQ

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    Would you like to get on a 747 jetliner if it were named *Hindenburg*? The movie *Titanic* was a hit a long time ago, so I think that craze is long past. I predict financial disaster for that scheme.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      No, I think the ‘cachet’ and will be a draw that ensures success among a super-rich clientele – the associations with risk (without there actually being any, relative to other big ships) will add further attraction.

      Like the original Titanic voyagers, they will rely on the expertise of the builders to ensure their safety, although their faith may be better placed these days. Nonetheless I hope they increase the number of lifeboats over the original inadequate complement.

  • Axil Axil

    I have a suspicion that the 1 Megawatt plant is an industrial heat product that uses the E-Cat as an Original equipment manufacturer(OEM) licensed product heat source as a key component of an IH boiler design.

    If another boiler maker comes to Rossi for a licence, that boiler vender would be prudent to request the E-Cat X for their OEM heat source. Industrial Heat would be distinct technical disadvantage.

    Introducing new product designs is a delicate matter in that Rossi should not undercut his licencee with better product that would be supplied to a competitor.

    But this is contradicted by the new robot plant to produce the E-Cat X. It is dumb to setup two plants each producing differing models of your product.

    Rossi has said that he will not delay release his old tech until he can supply the E Cat X. Time will tell how comitant a businessman that Rossi will become.

    • clovis ray

      Hi, Axil,
      I can’t say what Dr. Rossi, would do, and i don’t completely know the circumstance with regard to the customer, but as i see it, he should be rewarded with his own free plant, and upgraded it to e-cat x , and if the customer would like to expose themself and he could be recognized for his part in this world changing device. and if he were a real nice guy he would invite some old friends here at E-cat world, to see the cat in operation.

    • LarryJ

      I think IH are Leonardo’s licensee for North America and as such will be the primary developer and distributor of ANY products that Leonardo licenses including the ecat-x. Industrial Heat will build the factory in the US for development of Leonardo’s products in that region and Leonardo will build the factory in Europe for their products in that region. It makes sense.

      • EEStorFanFibb

        What? Nothing to be built in China? What was all that hubbub about meetings with TD in China about then?

        • LarryJ

          It’s hard to know how China fits in but Darden/IH were in China, not Leonardo. It is rumoured that Darden/IH have relationships with other companies in the field that are competitors of Leonardo. They are rumoured to be supporting Brillouin for instance and I have read that Brillouin are in talks with the South Koreans. Maybe that is the Asian connection. At this time it all appears to be in a state of flux.

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    They need to buy a Nissan Leaf and put a bundle of E-Cat Xs in the back luggage area and have them constantly charge the battery. Then put on a demonstration for the big car companies.

  • Rene

    Five years ago when the e-cat was just around the corner, I held off on getting a fuel cell to replace my backup generator (I have a small PV power shortfall in winter for my off-grid home). Now five years later, the e-cat is still just around the corner. I am delighted to read of Rossi’s improvements and refinements, but I believe it is going to be another five or so years before domestic E-catX units are available. And so, the backup generator, that has come to end of life, will be replaced by a SOFC fuel cell. Given how I would use it, it will last 10 years before the cermet exchange cylinder wears out (made partly of nickel). That’s about the right amount of time to then replace it with an E-catX. Will be nice to see a 1-2KW electricity one.

    Also, when Rossi says ‘factory’ he really means an R&D plant, a place to produce small quantities of e-cats. No doubt that R&D plant is in operation, but as he said “We are already preparing the structure for a massive production, F9.”, and that production plant may take a while.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      After 5 years or so I’m finding it equally difficult to get excited by such pronouncements. I don’t care if the first open, commercial offerings are built in a shed at the bottom of Rossi’s garden by half a dozen otherwise unemployed students – I just want to see something actually become available to buy.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, we always seem to turn up at the same time, in my case it is because I am now a lazy bugger and don’t get up.
        Over the five years I have brought a new gas heating boiler, then when moving to Cornwall a new oil boiler while waiting for Mr. Rossi.
        May the price of oil stay low forever as our heating bill is now much reduced.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

          Hi George. These days (like yourself I imagine) I don’t tend to get up until it’s light, which means a pretty late start in winter time.

          I’ve just bought a 30kW condensing gas boiler to replace the existing wood burning range cooker, as it’s getting increasingly difficult to find the vast quantities of timber it consumes, and freezing in the morning when the fire has died back.

          The cooker will stay but only be fired up occasionally when people gather in the kitchen, although it will still contribute to the CH system. Five years ago I had rather hoped there might be an alternative in sight by now.

          • georgehants

            Peter, we have an already installed Mors wood-burner for emergencies as power cuts are fairly common here.
            Luckily even with the winds we have not had a cut lasting more than a few minuets so far.
            Although we have logs etc. must confess that we have not yet fired it up.
            Looking at the moment at a battery backup for the oil central heating, some available but they do not seem that common.

  • US_Citizen71

    ISIS would probably donate to help get the E-Cat on the market. Can you think of a better way to get the west out of the middle east? Now the oil producing countries in OPEC might have other ideas.

    • Christina

      ISIS is not into politics only; it wants to destroy the West because we refuse to become Muslim–their kind of Muslim.

      • mike wolf

        A little simplified, but yea. They lost the world wars twice. When Israel went back their homeland, nothing much became of it. When Israell turned that desert into an oasis in the desert, that is when cries of them occupying Muslin land began to resonate. After all their people witnessed this wealth of the people and they were in poverty. The Leaders depriving its citizens of oil wealth needed a Reason for this.

        The propaganda to blame israel for sucking the wealth out of arab lands begun. It isn’t really that different from how hitler got his people to go along with the same idea. But people are poor as nations because of their governments not JEWS. So many people in the world have bought the blame the jew line while the governments suck their freedoms dry.

        • Frechette

          Next you’ll be telling us that if the US doesn’t support Israel unconditionally God will punish the US.

    • mike wolf

      It ain’t about getting us out of the middle east. Terrorist attacks go way back. We are the infidels, has nothing to do with where we are. We never were there until sadam tried to annex quwait. Remember the 435 day hostage crisis during the Carter administration? Islam. Oklahoma city was Islam. The first world trade center attack was Islam. We actually helped osama and the muzsha hadeen repel Russia in afghanistan.

      The radicals come from the oil rulers in the mid east. They deprive the people of oil wealth and tell them the infidel is why they have nothing. Up pops radical Islam. We really should look at the big picture. OIL did this. Make no mistake about it. We need LENR to strip these tyrannical regimes of their wealth, which will strip their hold on their people. No one wants fossil fuels to lose their hold on the planet more than the people here. We are so few. So many people in the world thrive on oil. LENR is a serious threat to a lot of powerful people in the world. That war hasn’t even started yet.

      The resistance to LENR from establishment science is the tip of the iceburgh.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      ISIS is financed by Middle East oil money.

  • Gerard McEk

    Would AR have come to the conclusion that E-cat X will be the best choice regarding all E-cat types?
    May also have to do with what IH has been allowed to produce for the US and the E-cat technology that the Leonardi company has transferred to IH.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Well, what’s not to like it about X? It:

      – makes electricity on demand (probably quite efficient)

      – makes heat on demand
      – is very scalable in size as well as in output
      – is high temperature (i think)
      – has a high COP
      – seems to be controllable and stable
      – probably has the other advantages such as no or easily shield-able radiation

      It seems like the Holy Grail to me. I would not be surprised to see the ecat-x as the only relevant ecat type in the future.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I could add that the ecat-x seems more like a solid state type of reactor so it would be much more adaptable for cars and planes (no problems with shaking). It sounds almost to good to be true.

        • Gerard McEk

          I agree very much with all that, ZZZ and I can’t wait to see it in operation, however AR has just devoted a year of his precious time in testing the commerciality of the low temp E-cat before he could decide that it is ready for the market. I am affright that he might do the same with E-cat X….

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            We both want to see that x-cat in operation very badly 🙂

            I think what we see here, is normal big leaps of progress due to the completely new field in physics. Even though Rossi thinks he can explain all of it within the standard model, it still is unknown territory so huge progress and significant discoveries can be made.

            Rossi might be forced to go with the x-cat because if he does not, a competitor could easily outperform him in one big swoop with it’s own version of the x-cat. If I were him and the x-cat is that much more versatile, controllable and simply better than the previous e-cat’s (I mean, direct (DC) energy production beats about just about everything), I would also put my money on the new x-cat.

            I also think that a lot of testing data might still be applicable to the new x-cat so not all of the one year test has to be a lost cause, especially if the first commercial use is in controlled environments such as power plants.

            • US_Citizen71

              It would be great for a server farm, electricity and thermal for steam absorption chillers to cool them.

            • TomR

              I think the domestic heater is ready to go as soon as the safety certification is given. From what was said on JONP Tuesday and the ruling by the Supreme Court that same day, I think the safety certification is done deal. I think we can expect our pre-ordered domestic home heaters, for around $500.00, to be manufactured in a few months.

              • NT

                I hope you are right and would be a logical first move for his licensee’s…

        • Omega Z

          When asked directly, Rossi has always said each E-cat version has it’s own advantages and that there will be more then 1 type of E-cat.

          IMO, There will be multiple variations created over time each having a specific use or purpose.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            You may be right Omega, but I think those comments from Rossi are from before the invention of the x-cat.

            Why would you diversify your product if you have a product that has all?

            • Omega Z

              Would you care to replace your heating system every 3 or 4 years or would you prefer to have 1 that lasts several decades.

              1400`C pushes the limits of materials. Very “few” and very expensive materials can handle these temperatures & those that do suffer a severely shortened lifecycle.

              Even Alloys meant to handle temperatures of 1500`C can seriously deform & become misshapened within a year to be barely recognizable at 900`C.

              Both gas & steam turbines designed for 900`C operation are only used for peak demand as they are to expensive to maintain for general electricity production.

              Economics is why you diversify. Designing your product according to it’s use. While extreme temps can be economically justified in 1 case, It’s to expensive in others. If you require 200`C heat, why pay the high cost of building a product that far exceeds that and has a short lifecycle.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Yeah, but aside from that what has Rossi ever done?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

  • Skip

    To no one in particular…

    Leave him alone. Of course people and groups know where he is. Why do you feel it’s necessary to chase him down and make it public? Aren’t you aware that such intrusions will slow him down? (as well as just being rude)

    What do you expect to gain?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      ++ (Cannot use the button without having an account)

    • Pekka Janhunen

      +++ (Cannot use the button without having an account)

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      Agree. Identifying and making public Rossi’s location could be very counterproductive.

    • http://gkos.com/gkos/meego/combokey.html Seppo

      Argee.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Rossi has been known to use the word “factory” for an R&D shop.
    I believe he is located in or near Dade County, Florida.
    May be selling heat to cement manufacturer.

  • Thomas Baccei

    Let’s all chip in and hire a PI to find Rossi and these factories. Has no one ever even seen him in the past few years? In all seriousness Mr. Rossi’s claims are more and more concrete of late. Why has no one searched public records for such factories. Any sign of talent recruitment? There must be something. For sure, if Mr. R is at all telling the truth, there must be a mob of spooks watching him. Can you imagine the defense and security cartels not?

    • sam

      Keep a eye out for his 2016 Cadillac when in Dade county.

  • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

    Sounds like Rossi is shifting gears.

  • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

    I do not care where he is .
    Just when can I take delivery of my E-cat.
    I hope it does not get lost in delivery or have a missing battery.
    Or will I just go back to my Hendershot device.
    Hey-ho! zero point patience here I come.

  • Stefenski

    Maybe we could CrowdFund for the hire of a PI for a few days.
    Find out where he’s at , once and for all.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Well – we know he must be in Florida – because of his theatre visit. So that narrows it down – plus, Florida has a lot of marshland

      • kenko1

        I’m wondering when everything is going to go dar

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        That’s probably the scientist in you talking, but I would refer you and Stefenski to Skip’s comment.

        Note: Although I would also like to find out all there is to know about Rossi and his wonderful invention, ethics compel me to restrict myself out of respect for the man’s privacy.