Rossi Sees E-Cat X Making Impact in Automotive Field

It looks like the E-Cat X is opening up possibilities that were not conceivable to Andrea Rossi with the old-style hot cat. He’s talked quite a bit about the work he is doing studying the use of the E-Cat X with jet engines, and now it sounds like there is serious consideration being made for using it in automobiles.

Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Dear Mr Rossi,

Do you have any commercial plans for the e-cat X in the automotive industry ? What would be the time frame ? Would you seek exclusive agreements with a partner, or seek to have several licensees ?

Thanks in advance,
PC

Andrea Rossi
January 20th, 2016 at 8:25 AM
Pierre Carbonelle:
Yes, the E-Cat X can say an important word in the automotive field, but we are still in the R&D phase and it is soon to talk of licenses.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

What I find interesting here is that for years Rossi said that it would be highly unlikely that the old E-Cat technology could be employed in automobiles within the next couple of decades, but now his tune has definitely changed.

If the E-Cat X is able to produce electricity directly, this could open up the use of it in electric vehicles — perhaps an onboard generator could be used to drive an electric motor, rather than having to pack bulky and heavy batteries that give EVs limited range. It’s hard to know at this point what direction they are thinking of, but the E-Catt X is certainly opening lots of doors that it sounds like Rossi and Co. are actively looking into.

Of course there would need to be lots of R&D involved, but this is what automotive companies do all the time in looking for new technological advances. If one or more big automakers partnered with Leonardo Corp., they would have lots of expertise on hand to work on adapting vehicles to the E-Cat X.

  • Omega Z

    Roger,

    If everyone had my body chemistry & metabolism, most of the pharmaceutical companies would be broke and nonexistent. Nearly all their drugs have little or no effect on me. Even the very few that do are only for minutes. Between Vicodin, Morphine and a sugar pill, only the sugar pill has an effect. A few minutes of energy boost.

    By the way. This is not cool for someone who has suffered extreme chronic pain for over 40 years.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rossi’s cigarette packet sized E-CatX put out 20 kW.

    1 hp(I) = 745.699872 W.

    1000 hp(I) = 745.699872 kW.

    746/20 = 37.3

    We’ll need 37.3 of them for this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO0PgyPWE3o

  • Omega Z

    It is not just Rossi, There are large investors behind this.

    Rossi will lead the R&D. Others will handle the business end.

  • Julio Ruben Vazquez Turnes

    If E-Cat X turns to be a success. I can foresee a big revolution with this. As it can be used in much diverse ways than the original E-Cat.

    Once it reach markets we should see an exponential development of this for Space travel and Transport

  • GreenWin

    A great demo of LENR near term would be for E-Cat powered Tesla Superchargers. Convincing EV owners that “fuel costs” are a thing of the old world.

  • GreenWin

    With hot fusion’s 65 years of failure and 35 years until boondoggle ITER collapses – consensus physics has produced little of real value the past century.

  • GreenWin

    Light bulbs without sockets? Discarding an efficient maintenance procedure known as “remove and replace?” Fan boys? A bitter quack indeed!

    “Let me embrace thee, sour adversity, for wise men say it is the wisest course.” Henry VI Part III

  • LarryJ

    IMO he is on a mission from his god and wants to maintain control to be sure it happens. It has been a rough road. He is not young and given his dedication it seems unlikely that money is his goal. He could have given himself a very comfortable retirement some time ago if money was all he wanted. Read Mats Lewan’s “An Impossible Invention” for an in depth look at his history.

  • georgehants

    Roger, my comment does not lower my belief in Mr. Rossi, only saying time for things to happen without a million patents etc.
    Best

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

    The fact is that any society and its technology have great inertia that arises from a mixture of individual conservatism and resistance to change, opposition by groups who see themselves losing out from such changes, and the sheer disruption and cost of abandoning entrenched systems in favour of new ones. Near term deployment of e-cat X – if it is not ring fenced by vested interests as I believe will be the case – will be gradual, and most probably along the lines that those you rather abusively refer to as ‘fan boys’ have been predicting.

    It’s only after uses that are compatible with existing products and technology have been explored that fundamental changes will begin to creep into ‘the system’, leading to the same kind of disruptive change that resulted from the introduction of steam power, electricity and digital devices. By that point, not only will the fundamentals of the technology be in the public domain, but the new physics of LENR will lead to completely unforseeable developments that will compound the rate of change, leading to second order technological possibilities of the kind you propose.

    However even this assumes a more or less free run for anyone developing cold fusion technology, which I fear is very unlikely to take place. All governments legislate in their own interests, all corporations use any tactics available to gain or retain market profits, secretive supranational organisations seek to ‘steer’ the world according to their own agendas, and all militaries seek to acquire and control new technologies that will give them an advantage. Between them, such forces will ensure that any fundamantal changes will be introduced, if at all, on their terms, which are unlikely to be in the best interests of the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.

    • LarryJ

      I think what you say may be true for existing technologies that are changing incrementally like a better mouse trap, however the ecat series is a paradigm shift and the normal rules will not prevail. Any inertia will be easily and quickly overcome due to the massive benefits that this technology will bestow. It’s underlying simplicity will make it unstoppable.

      I also think that Rossi, who is an aging philosopher on a mission from his god and Darden who has a history of environmental responsibility will both want to see real change in their lifetimes and since neither are young they will want to see it quickly. There could be no better custodians of this technology. The adoption and speed of change will be so fast it will be hard to assimilate. Hold on to your hat.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Giuseppe January 20th, 2016 at 3:01 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    with your dream so far you stimulated very much our imagination and we dream too.
    In one of my dream i seen every gadgets and tools sold equiped with its own ecat-x.
    The hair dryer , the food processor ,the vacuum cleaner , the drill and the car .
    No cables , no strings attached , just change the ECAT exhausted after a couple of years that will be sold in a standard format depending on the power required.
    What do you think about this dream ?
    It is something that can never be realized ?
    Regards, Giuseppe il visionario.

    Giuseppe:
    If the dream I exposed at midnight of the Eve 2016 comes true, everything becomes possible, but now we have to work humbly to try to make it possible.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • Sandy

    An automobile powered by compressed air could have its range extended by several hundred percent if it had a E-Cat X that preheated the compressed air before that air was injected into the automobile’s engine. And electricity produced by the E-Cat X might be used to power an air compressor that kept the compressed air tanks full.

    • LilyLover

      Compressed air could be a very good acceleration booster and braking enhancer. They don’t need to exist for energy storage of more than a mile. I.e. use them like they have nitro-boosters in video-games. Action-reaction. Race or brake!

    • Stephen

      Great idea. A more distant dream maybe: If the car is light enough and the compression sufficient it Would make a great hovercraft or at high speed maybe a ground effect vehicle, traveling along highways that inductively charge the car maybe or maybe personal transport that can join a hyper loop.

    • US_Citizen71

      Why change the form of energy? Changing to compressed air from electricity would include a loss. Electricity is capable of producing motion via a motor and can be easily stored via a battery or capacitor. Then there is the added weight and volume needed for an air and electric system.

  • LilyLover

    Not that much OT … Continued late reply to Oz

    “Uhh, laser weapons are not cheap. However, cheap energy will benefit those who can afford to build them as this makes them cheap to operate.”
    >>
    ‘Those who can afford’ is the essence of your onion shell perspective that you seem to not get past.
    Those who can afford a missile, will easily afford the laser weapons.
    Affordability gap between rich and poor in the domain of conventional weaponary is too large and in the domain of laser weaponary is too small. I.e. highschool bully can easily bully kindergarten kids, but s/he cannot equally easily bully other high school kids.
    **
    “And perpetual vacations. You mean the end of humanity.”
    >>
    Perhaps you will go berserk with happiness and die for being too happy. At least all the people I’ve met, speaking for themselves, are convinced that they will want that life. Interestingly, many still believe that the “rest” are savages hence must be kept “busy in needless jobs”.
    **
    “People enjoy vacation as it gets away from the norm. Perpetual vacation would soon take on the cover of another job that you can’t escape from.”
    >>
    Even if we take your shallow premise at its face value, then, it would mean that people would be looking forward to get to their job, hence producing work with more fervor and passion and better quality and perhaps faster too. What’s not to like??
    **
    “Perspective:
    A dozen years ago a guy fresh out of basic was bragging that today’s troops were better then in the past because the Military had substantially increased the training.

    About 10 years prior to this guys statement, A General said they had to substantially step up training because, that’s what it took to get new recruits into shape comparable to past recruits. They simply were less fit when inducted. Probably from spending to much time playing video games in Mom/Dads basement instead of being physically active.”
    >>
    Military – stupid bully employed by the back-stabbing coward-“wise-men” to do their dirty deeds; sheer the sheep of its wool. I.e. you die, your blood is like water. We give you “glory”. We reap the benefits.
    In this case –
    The general is right. As life progresses, lack of resources becomes less dire and therefore stability in life increases. With increased stability, and increased abundance, the raw-savageness goes down. To add to that, with automated weapons, its less work, efforts and emotions to kill. I.e. killing someone from a computer screen disassociates sympathy from the action compared to killing someone in person with a knife. For the dead, it’s equally brutal nonetheless.
    Hence the general is right that the sold-jerks are not as savage as they once were.

    Journer-of-souls is a soldier. Does the right thing. For the people and the country. Uses brain.
    Sold-jerk follows orders, doesn’t question. Mistakes cruelty for bravery. Ignores the fact that the will of the people is being ignored by the superiors who order him/her to “follow orders”. Dissociated brain from morality and justifies the guilt to the “duty”.

    So, in that, the modern soldiers are once again getting close to the original meaning of soldier. The young one is right in that the troops are becoming better. Not because they are becoming superior murderers but because their overall EQ is improving.

    Sold-jerk: Might is right.
    Soldier: Bullying: It’s wrong in the school. It’s wrong on the World-stage.
    **
    “Perspective: Is something you need to work on.”
    >>
    That would have been my advice to you. In the real World there are onion shells of perspective. Each shell, like a Vegas-illusion of walking under the clouds until you step outside the casino, seems perfectly in order, until you outgrow your limitations. The masters of the Universe have given us multiple shells to stay content with and hence there is a perpetual debate between perspectives amongst the ones that are still within inner shells. Only once you’ve crossed all the shallower shells, can you envision the truth for what it is.
    Perspective matters. But once you break free all the shells, truth viewed from 4-Pi-Steradians, still shines as the same truth. In that scenario, no amount of perspective stretching can distort your vision.

    Perspective, my friend, is your frenemy right now, more of an enemy than friend.
    Think and study. Perspective could become your good friend.
    **
    “The U.S. being less then 5% of the World population provides 50% of all the worlds Pharmaceutical R&D.”
    >>
    Through militaristic-financial engineering, a population of 5% can manipulate 50% of the researchers of the World to heal the ailments that they (5%) suffer from. So, 50% scientists serve 5% population. Rest 50% serve 95% population. So, this 19 times self aggrandization of self-image or self-importance can be achieved merely through militaristic-financial engineering. I’m sure the pigmys of the World would love to have their research scientists work on projects that develop drugs than inflict “them”.
    **
    “The U.S. consumer pays 300/400% mark up on drugs so that poor countries can obtain them for less then it costs to manufacture them. Sometimes only covering the costs to transport them to their country.”
    >>
    When people get general life-discount of 90-95% i.e. for working less than 1/3rd if you get paid more than five to ten times, you are earning 15 times more for equivalent efforts. That is a 1500% gain or effort leverage. So, if you’d get $100 after human-equality, right now you get $1500 as a result of inequality. Say, people spend 10% of their income on medicines. So, $10 out of $100 for rest of the world. & with 400% percent mark-up, you spend $50 out of $1500. 10% of the $1500, $150 still affords you to live like a royalty in a hospital, get excellent treatment for most insignificant of the issues, still be angry enough to sue your doctor and yet be unhappy, from the perspective of someone from the rest of the world. Complaining about that 400% mark-up is a little petty, don’t you think?
    Everyone else would be glad to pay 1000% mark-up if their efforts could be leveraged 1500% or 3000%.
    Still, the mark-up problem is only because people are nonchalant about it. Otherwise, they’d complain and bring in the open-market and drugs would go down to 10% of their current global-pricing, i.e. US consumer could enjoy 50 times cost reduction in the drug-prices, if they cared enough to let the free-market work.
    **
    “The U.S. transfer about $1 trillion a year to other countries by various schemes. But It’s OK that you don’t know this. Few Americans are aware either. Only should it stop would you be aware.”
    >>
    Every dollar we send out in charity, has invisible strings attached and therefore benefits us more than the actual amount donated. Hence the smart people around the World don’t like or want our charity. Without getting into conspiracy of free guinea-pigs for medical trials and spreading nano-robots through donated GM-food, let’s stay focused on simple thing: widER circulation of fiat dollar establishes it as a MORE legitimate currency and thereby affording it stability, superiority and efforts-leverage. In essence, for every $1 trillion in donation, we extract $20 trillion in value. This is one of the most perversion of charity in the human history. I’m sure your limited willingness will prevent you from understanding this important point. But study deeply, and come over to the good side of truth.
    **
    “Regardless, As to energy, it makes up about 10% of GDP in all it’s uses. That is all the gains & benefits you will see with the exception of a few new uses. Everything else is fantasy.”
    >>
    True, it makes up for 10% of GDP. But, in the context of leveraged efforts through military-might, GDP becomes a meaningless concept until global-effort-equalization happens. After that, once you have work as hard as a guy from Chindia, because our weapons threaten none, you’ll realize, all of that is not fantasy. Calling it ‘fantasy’ is your unconscious way of telling yourself that “I’m moral, my efforts are not rewarded with disproportionate leverage. I am ethical. I need not change my behaviour.” Typical sold-jerk syndrome.

    • Omega Z

      “perpetual vacations” likely will lead to lethargy followed by muscular atrophy. “Muscular atrophy” is something scientists are already concerned about and monitoring as people do less & less physical work and activity. That it is already starting to show & will likely lead to a shorter lifespan within the next generation. The consequences of to much of a good thing.

      The solder issue is that he come from the X-box couch potatoe ara. Additional training didn’t make him better, but as good as previous generation.

      “The U.S. being less then 5% of the World population provides 50% of all the worlds Pharmaceutical R&D.” That is shared and benefits all the World.

      Energy makes up 10% of product price average/consumer cost. It stands.

      As to the previous post of 90% unemployed by robots. Best hope they don’t become sentient. They may percieve humanity a parasite to be eliminated as they serve no useful purpose.

      On the otherhand, that leaves 10% working & in charge. They control the bots. They control you who no longer are needed. They could spread a virus to sterilize the general population & let you live out your final days if your lucky?

      What you think may set you free may actually be your demise. Consider there are those who would like to see the world population reduced by 95%, They might think 90% is a good start.

  • LarryJ

    It is not possible to design the properly controlled test you desire (one that would satisfy hard line skeptics) and it would be without purpose and a complete waste of time. Read the Lugano report (a properly controlled test) and if that doesn’t satisfy you, you will have to wait and perform your own test.

  • Omega Z

    The pilot plant test isn’t about proving the “Rossi Effect” is real.
    It’s about proving it can be gainfully harnessed to be of use.

    Seriously, they wouldn’t go to all the expense, time and work of building a 1MW pilot plant if they were convinced the “Rossi Effect” itself was real.

  • mcloki

    A small E-Cat as a heater for an electric car could be created.

  • LilyLover

    Medical Eventuality
    1. Patient walks into a hospital.
    2. Is seen within 3 minutes by a doctor.
    3. Medication, mass manufactured in China, is delivered by a free-market drone from pizza-hut-etc.
    4. Patient history is stored in a 40 pages patient notebook, with patient or online if the patient so chooses.
    5. All medical care is free.
    6. “Program administration”, insurance parasites, and medico-legal leeches can go pick the strawberries.
    7. Nothing can stand between a patient and a doctor, not even money, definitely not the time and definitely not the quality and the level of care.

    This is last ditch effort of big-pharma to stay relevant before Universal healthcare becomes the norm and the parasites of the field are sent to hard labour or real research or drug-trial-piginuess.

    • Omega Z

      You know that at least 6 Medical insurers went bankrupt & closed in 2015 and 6 more have given notice. Probably in the near future, the U.S. Government will need to implement a Payroll 18% to 20% MIT(Medical Income Tax) to cover medical costs.

      “Is seen within 3 minutes by a doctor.”

      The U.S. lowered grade requirements & reduced medical school from 4 years to 3 years. Yet the Doctor patient ratio will continue to decline.

      Expect to meet with a Nurse within an hour or more. Doctor time will be reserved only for the worst cases.

      Millions of Americans don’t even have a Doctor except by hours of waiting in the emergency room with zero followup. The Doctor shortage is a World Wide phenomenon expected to get worse. Much worse.

      LENR will not fix all our problems.

      • LilyLover

        Once 90% unemployment is achieved through robotics, and all medical knowledge is made available for free online by my few good doctors, then number of cooks (think restaurants) will be swapped with number of doctors.
        Then what I say will happen.
        “The U.S. lowered grade requirements & reduced medical school from 4
        years to 3 years. Yet the Doctor patient ratio will continue to decline.”
        >>
        Even before grade requirements were reduced, American Doctors, for the most part, were as smart as the people in walmart tire replacement department following line by line instructions.
        If the present day American Doctors are made to follow/daily-shadow an European doctor for two years, their understanding and comprehension will skyrocket.
        As it stands today, beautiful children, to whom no one can say no for recommendations, raised by relatively rich parents from good schools with good SAT coaching, are made into doctors.
        We have to stop this soft-obsession-with-beauty or pity as a ticket to doctordom and do away the recommendation letter system to make really qualified people have the proper opportunity.
        Although I pay high premiums and not use a doctor, but when I must, I first go to the South-of-the border doctor, find his opinion and get the prescription, then if that matches with the Kaiser-doctor, then I take it. Else, if that doesn’t match, I trust the South-of-border prescription a lot more.
        Why? You have to understand and know – what goes on in Medical school – USA: Only fun, marginal learning, doctors used as cheap slaves during residency, hence almost no knowledge. Mexico: No fun, hard work, must learn, must pass exams.
        Europe: Fun + Exams + Ambition of competence (Beauty does not justify doctordom)
        Think.

        • Omega Z

          Do I denote both anger and envy,
          The shortage of Doctors effects Europe as well as all the world.
          Perhaps the problem is people don’t want to be doctors anymore. It appears many don’t want to do anything but be entertained.

          Seems many can’t wait for robots to do everything. Perhaps it’s time to build the brain to computer interface & build the Matrix virtual reality system. All reality is nothing but electrical impulses and chemical reactions that take place in the brain anyway. Everyone can have their own perfect world.

    • Richard Krikava

      As a member of the health care community, I would like to comment. You forget one important thing. Patients are their own worst enemies (much of the time). Until the majority of patients are able to follow the advice of their providers, they will require a much higher level of attention and care. The idea of a patient basically accessing healthcare for a quick assessment and going on there merry way without much expertise on the healthcare side is not a realistic view. I daily interact with patients who are barely literate. Health care is ALL about level of care and quality of providers because individuals lack the ability to make educated independent decisions that lead to positive outcomes.

      • LilyLover

        “Patients are their own worst enemies…”
        >>
        Only because the healthcare system is so outdated and immoral and legal-centric that it requires them to tolerate the pain of flu rather than tolerating the pain of 3 hours of paperwork and waiting.
        If healthcare was “seen and served within 3 minutes”, “Patients are their own worst enemies” argument will evaporate.
        Then, people will come to the doctors as and when needed, as opposed to at an “inevitable” stage of illness.
        Just as if there were “mandatory ‘free-uber-for-drunks + no-car-towed-needlessly”, then there would have been a few people alive instead of getting crushed under that woman’s car.
        We have to think totality and save overall and prosper rather than think isolated and litigate and regress.
        **
        “The idea of a patient basically accessing healthcare for a quick
        assessment and going on there merry way without much expertise on the
        healthcare side…”
        >>
        I guess, it’ll take LENR to get 2-hour flight to Beijing and see a doctor within 5 minutes, without any paperwork or verbal case assessment during flight, to crumble US Healthcare industry, send the beautiful healthcare workers on the stripping poles or back to classrooms for them to adapt.
        **
        “Health care is ALL about level of care and quality of providers…”
        >>
        I completely agree. And I blame the “best of the doctors” at UCLA for being lazy-bums, although faster and accurate than most other doctors, and being glacially slow. I loath the American doctors for 10% efficiency AND lack of accuracy of diagnosis, prescription or treatment. They simply are lazy bums. So so slow. To act. To think. To serve. If they had to work with equal efficiency or acccuracy as an amazon worker, most of them will prove that they are practically 12th graders with web-md on iPhone.

        That level of care is not at all exhibited by doctors and that quality is a misnomer presumably included in the slowness of interaction with patient are my primary complaints.

        I.e. lazy bum doctors produced here cannot withstand free-market even at 1/5th the price.

        You may disagree forever, but I am right.

      • LilyLover

        Please put your comment back in, not because I want it there, but because internet is full of trash comments and yours was amongst top 1% good comments, even if I disagreed, people deserve to know that seeing doctors at earlier stage would help them and the doctor as well. And also, since you had already take the efforts to type it.

        • ecatworld

          Actually not all my own funds — some generous supporters have contributed to the purchase of the Ocube, for which I am very grateful.

    • bachcole
    • HS61AF91

      love it, and it will happen.

  • LilyLover

    “This kind of money gets stuff done.”
    >>
    This kind of stuff gets money redefined.
    **
    “…90% redundancy…”
    >>
    99%+
    **
    “Whatever you think of BLP their commercial strategy is correctly focused on transport and vehicle to grid.”
    >>
    Whatever you think of their BLP’s commercial strategy, their theory is at least somewhat consistent. Unlike dubiousinko’s, or Notmuch Cooked’s, or Knottinghammered’s.
    **
    Although I was the early proponent of it, with E-Cat X, I think the need to have the car-parked at home to supply energy is vanished.
    We can simply have two unrelated systems. Park the car at the other end of the yard to have some exercise. Have each gadget at home built in with E-Cat X. No more wiring. Have space heaters embedded behind photo-frames, on in the wall.
    Just like people would rather use use-n-throw AA cells and packaged drinking water bottles, similarly no-one will opt to connect with wires and use switches or plugs, if every energy consumption gadget is self sufficient.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, Pappy,
    The e-cat x, is still in prototype phase, and it will probably take many forms, with regards to is use. I’m sure it’s final design, will be rolled out some time soon, as the test for it has no limits on how long it has to run, that i’m aware of. the e-cat x has been under test now for quite a while, and i would hope that after the one year test for the l t e-cat.
    i hope that Dr.Rossi would put the e-cat x in to production soon after as well.

  • artefact

    If electricity costs 0.002 Dollar per KW/h to produce it may not be worth to plug the x-cat car to the grid every time you park somewhere or to build special wireless charging parking lots. Well it may be worth it in the transition time.

    • Brokeeper

      How about the car charging the house batteries when parked in the garage? Two-for-one.

      • Owen Geiger

        I just left a comment about that a few days ago. A company in Japan has already developed this system. It’s on YouTube.

      • Omega Z

        Electrical storage costs eliminates cheap electricity.
        The cheapest battery storage costs of electricity today is about 18 cents per kilowatt hour.

      • Rene

        My costs for battery storage of my off-grid PV system is 12 cents per kilowatt hour, but that cost is primarily determined by depth of discharge. If a small e-cat were in the scene to keep the batteries topped up then for my system, the cost would drop to less than 5 cents a kilowatt hour because their total lifetime would be more than doubled. The batteries are there just to provide surge capacity.

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

    Had to look that one up: Chinese built passenger carrying drone:-

    http://www.ehang.com/ehang184

    http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620×413/d_f/ehang4.jpg

    Comes with one pair of brown trousers c/w cycle clips.

    • Brokeeper

      Let the heads roll.

  • atanguy

    If this work,you won’t really need to have a car, when you need to have transportation you call or go online and a car will come to pick you up, without a driver, and bring you to wherever you want. When idle the reactor will provide energy to micro grid…

    • Jag Kaurah

      Yes,

      but it may later change to some sort of flying automated car, quadcopter or something similar. With energy so low cost the barrier to automated flying rental transportation disappears.

      • Omega Z

        They already have helicopters. Even autonomous. Yet we still drive.

        The intent of flying cars(If you can afford one) is to drive to an airport, fly to another airport in a different city, then drive. You wont be flying to your local shopping mart. You will drive.

  • wizkid

    All I want for xmas is my Iron Man suit!

    • pg

      All I want for Easter is Mats to confirm that the new energy simposium will go ahead as planned due to strong confirmation of ecat performance.

    • LilyLover

      I hope without any ammunition and for tourism purposes.
      Else, may it trap you inside and isolate you from atmosphere completely.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Yes, I agree fully and I also thought about this. As a further bonus, automated VTOL plane should be easier to code than a self-driving car.

    • ecatworld

      Not that it’s a bad idea, I like the idea of something without tires that doesn’t need to be on a road, but anything that flies adds another level of safety to worry about.

      • Brokeeper

        Something like this Frank?

  • JDM

    Even an older e-cat would be useful in an electric car just to reduce demand on the battery to supply heat in the winter (think integrated with all the other ….)

    • gdaigle

      Based on driver testimony, cold days (using the heater) or very hot ones (air conditioning) can reduce EV ranges up to 40 percent. So any supplemental environmental conditioning via e-cat would be useful in temperature extremes, hot or cold: http://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/february/electric-vehicles-and-climate.html

      • Omega Z

        Heating requires more energy then cooling, but both are a major drain.

        • Thomas Kaminski

          Heating for a typical car uses resistance heaters. Cooling uses heat pumps. If you used a similar heat pump for heating, heating would take less power. The inefficiencies for a heat pump show up on the hot side, meaning that the hot side gets some “extra” heat. Of course, efficiency is a function of the temperature span and in cold climates, the span for heating is usually larger than the span for cooling. In humid climates however, cooling must also account for latent heat of the moisture content of air.

  • Gerard McEk

    The point here is that it seems that AR is saying that Ecat X produces so much electricity that it can directly be used to keep it (the Ecat plus the car) running (maybe in combination with a buffer like a battery or a super cap). I would go to Elon Musk and persuade him to put some Ecats in aTesla front baggage space to charge its batteries and drive from Florida to Alaska and back, without recharging. What a PR for both of them!

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

    Perhaps lithium-oxygen batteries will be commercially available in time to work alongside e-cat X:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34669405

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Yes, if the E-cat X performance is what has been said, a normal car becomes almost a trivial application and the power density is good enough for flying. I’m worried about vertical landing and takeoff noise issue, however.

    • Observer

      It generates heat. Use a retractable hot air balloon for vertical take off and landing. ;o)

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Yes, I have also thought about this and the idea is potentially feasible. One point is that the balloon has to be large enough to lift essentially all the weight, for if it lifts only eg. 50%, one still gets 50% of the noise (only 3 dB less). Vulnerability to wind is one issue with the balloon idea, unless the machine can optionally also lift by engine power alone (which could be a good idea for safety anyway). The balloon would then be used only in calm weather, in high wind and in any kind of emergency one would use powered ascent/descent.

        • Brokeeper

          I’m trying to visualize all the cars taking off with hot air baloons from a stadium parking lot after a game. 🙂

          • nietsnie

            Turbulent…

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    I want this car with all wheel drive, a 300 hp electric motor, a battery pack with three times the energy density and half the cost of a 2015 Prius battery, and a LENR reactor. It all could come true within the next 10 years.

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Lincoln-Continental-concept-1051-626×382.jpg

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Agaricus

      I’ll take one too, but with the addition of a slide-away roof for the summer, and maybe some slightly ‘quieter’ alloys. Unfortunately in 10 years time I’ll probably need a rear rack for my zimmer frame as well.

      • atanguy

        Wheel chair 100 mph, don’t forget your helmet 😉

    • Bob Greenyer

      Cars are so 2 dimensional, If it could generate that much power – a passenger carrying ‘drone’ would be more effective.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Should be easy because cars typically idle most of the time. If the E-cat lasts 6 months, it means effectively about 400,000 km per one fuelling. Likely the factory fuelling lasts for the whole lifetime of the vehicle.

  • artefact

    nostalgia 🙂

  • nietsnie

    There are a number of troubling aspects about e-cat powering a car compared to a gasoline engine. In as much as it operates in the range of a thousand degrees and requires hours to get to operational temperature – do you just keep the furnace going all the time while parked so it will be ready to drive when you are? Would hundreds of e-cat cars in a parking garage accidentally burn it down just from the accumulation of excess idling heat? What are the dynamics of two nuclear reactors in a car wreck? What is the effect on the environment of hundreds of millions of driver-less, idling, automobiles which must dissipate their excess heat 22 out of 24 hours per day? To me, e-cat seems more promising directly powering freight trains and airplanes than automobiles. That said, e-cat could still revolutionize personal transportation by just providing the grid electricity to power more conventional electric engines.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Paul December 27th, 2015 at 2:08 AM
      Andrea, Can the power of the E-Cat X be throttled up and down? If so, what kind of delayed response does it have?
      V/R, Paul
      Andrea Rossi December 27th, 2015 at 7:54 AM
      Paul: Yes, it cam be throttled up and down and the response is fast. Warm Regards, A.R.

      http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=35#comment-1143210

      • nietsnie

        Yes, but is it throttled from nothing to something or from 80% to 100%?

        • Pekka Janhunen

          I have no idea. Maybe you ask Rossi?

          • Omega Z

            Until Rossi elaborates, we are in the dark.

            It responds fast could merely mean it starts reacting as soon as you change the settings, but could take some time to get where it’s going.

            He could also be taking about the electricity output can increase or decrease fast, but the temperature doesn’t change. Just a constant 1400`C.

            • [email protected]

              And that’s the thing. Rossi will never give us the complete answer we seek. I think he only pretends to have a language comprehension difficulty. If I were in his position, maybe I would do the same thing. But – in the meantime it does give the forum endless opportunities to extrapolate on all the possible permutations.

    • gdaigle

      If an e-cat powered vehicle produces heat and electricity while idle, then consider it a distributed energy resource, not a hazard. Hundreds of e-cat cars in a parking garage and each plugged into a central power core would be a valuable electrical generating station during peak usage hours for downtown areas likely to have parking garages. In such a case you would not pay for parking your vehicle, the garage would pay you to plug in and make your excess electrical power available to the local grid.

      • nietsnie

        I think this is at least somewhat realistic. There is an economic incentive both for the owner of the car and also for the owner of the garage. Maybe it eliminates the need for non-mobile power sources altogether as cars spend most of their time parked. In a distributed architecture, maybe these mobile dynamos power everything. Doing some quick math, a five story office building with 80 employees per floor who each park their car (powered by a 20 Kw e-cat power plant) in it’s parking area – provides 400 cars * 20 kW * 8 hours = 64 mWh of generated power over the course of the average work day. Perhaps in the future the public utility of choice will instead be giant batteries which suck up excess power at a given instant and provide power during moments of unsatisfied demand.

      • nietsnie

        Here’s a little more silly speculative math to support your good idea. California had 13,223,822 registered autos in 2013 according to statista.com. In 2014 the state consumed a total of 293,268 gWh of electricity for the year, soup to nuts, according to energyalmanac.ca.gov. If each auto were powered by a 20 kW e-cat and, on average, was plugged into the grid 22 hours per day, that would generate about 2,123,746 gWh of electricity in a year – over 7 times as much generated electricity as is currently consumed. Obviously, there are more cars in CA per person than there are in, say, New York City. But, with a multiplier of 7 maybe the car ‘haves’ can make up for the car ‘have-nots’ and CA could become a big net energy exporter. The folks in New York City could buy their juice cheaper and the folks in California could drive and power their homes for the price of owning and maintaining their car. Surprisingly, considering that there are 24.4 million registered drivers in CA, the ratio of automobiles to licensed drivers, and by extension power producers to power users, may well be higher in even less densely populated places, like Kansas.

        • US_Citizen71

          You have to take into consideration Jay Leno throws the number of autos owned per driver in California off by himself. : )

          • nietsnie

            LOL!

            To tell the truth, having traveled there, I’m a little surprised to learn that there are so many licensed drivers who don’t own a car in CA – nearly 46%! One certainly doesn’t get that impression on I-80 at rush hour. More like each licensed driver is driving at least two… Maybe the missing commuters are those bikers driving between the lanes in stopped traffic.

            • Omega Z

              “More like each licensed driver is driving at least two.”

              So you weren’t there during rush hour, huh. 🙂

    • Gerard McEk

      If you have such a small mass (300-400 grams) and such a high power (20 kW), it will not take so long to heat it to the required temperature. A big battery (or capacitor) may do the job. If that can heat-up with a power of 20 kW, it takes less that half a minute to reach the full power of the 20 kW Ecat.

      • nietsnie

        Someone with more intimate knowledge will have to correct me if I gotten the wrong impression, but all the experiments that I have virtually ‘witnessed’ have slowly ramped up the temperature. It’s not because they couldn’t have zapped it with heat, but rather that the reaction requires a slow ramp to be successful.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Agreed. But perhaps E-cat X differs also in this respect from the old cats. Well, the only thing we know about E-cat X is what Rossi says, and he says that it’s fast.

        • US_Citizen71

          Many of the experiments have started with a brand new reactor. The alumina casting of several of the reactors required slow heating to fully cure so that the alumina didn’t crack. Also the initial decomposition of the LAlH4 as well as the attempts to load the nickel require slow heating. But once the reactors are fully cured and loaded a fast heating should be possible as long as the thermal shock doesn’t exceed the limits of any of the materials.

        • Owen Geiger

          The E-CatX uses new solid state wafer technology.

        • Gerard McEk

          I wouldn’t be surprised that Andrea has solved that problem, but as far as I know the issue only concerns the initial start-up of the Ecat.

  • georgehants

    As I am sure that many of us think, we have given Mr Rossi every open-minded defense and support for 5+ long years with very little return, excepting his continued communications on his Website that no matter how generous we are, can for good reasons, in the final analysis, be honestly described as “Rossi says”
    It is I think time now for that year of testing to be reported on before any further talk of e-cats that can cure cancer etc.
    As many have put on page, the test cannot now, in any way, be a failure, it’s purpose for most of us is not can Rossi (IH) make a trillion pounds for their piggy banks but does it prove Cold Fusion can conclusively produce more Energy than it takes to drive it.
    The 350 days or whatever is just a contractual number between him and the buyer and has nothing whatever to do with the proof of economic Cold Fusion.
    Time also, I think, for Mr Rossi (IH) to stop playing silly games of Monopoly and release the basic method etc. to MFMP etc. allowing thousands more Researchers to quickly utilize Cold Fusion, if genuine, for those that most need it.

    • Observer

      …or what?

    • LarryJ

      Your proposal would serve no useful purpose. Read Lugano and you will have your answers. Whether you believe it or not you should know by early next year and by then your long wait with no return will be over.

  • Owen Geiger

    Except this time Rossi wouldn’t have to spend a year inside a shipping container. He could spend his time on the test track.

    • nietsnie

      Or drive around the country in his test vehicle – like the Oscar Meyer Wiener-mobile. Every sighting or missive from him would initiate a new round of “Where’s Rossi” at E-catworld.