New Report of Anomalous Thrust from EmDrive Replicator (Artefact)

The following comment was posted by Artefact

Another replicator (SeeShell) of the EMDrive got some (very preliminary) results in a first startup test after which the antenna inside the drive and the magnetron was broken. It will take her 2-3 weeks to get the new parts.

“Things are happening. EagleWorks has a paper in peer review and I’m restoring my lab into my home and the frustum antennas I fried. I’ll say it. I got thrust and yes it was above EagleWorks and rfmwguy’s and several others.

“It was a O. M.G. moment. Honestly, I got so excited I was shaking, it was like a new hot rod car and I regressed turning up the power. I didn’t record any of it as it was just a preliminary test to see if everything worked. I got more thrust and as the digital scales were climbing it went pffft. That wasn’t good.”

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1460768#msg1460768

Artefact

  • Axil Axil

    Forget solid, liquid, and gas: there are in fact more than 500 phases of matter. In a major paper in a recent issue of Science, Perimeter Faculty member Xiao-Gang Wen reveals a modern reclassification of all of them.

    Condensed matter physics — the branch of physics responsible for discovering and describing most of these phases — has traditionally classified phases by the way their fundamental building blocks — usually atoms — are arranged. The key is something called symmetry.

    To understand symmetry, imagine flying through liquid water in an impossibly tiny ship: the atoms would swirl randomly around you and every direction — whether up, down, or sideways — would be the same. The technical term for this is “symmetry” — and liquids are highly symmetric. Crystal ice, another phase of water, is less symmetric. If you flew through ice in the same way, you would see the straight rows of crystalline structures passing as regularly as the girders of an unfinished skyscraper. Certain angles would give you different views. Certain paths would be blocked, others wide open. Ice has much symmetry — every “floor” and every “room” would look the same, for instance — but physicists would say that the high symmetry of liquid water is broken.

    Topological order is a more general understanding of quantum phases and the transitions between them. The dances that the various types of particles go through defined the new world that is created. In the new framework, the phases of matter were described not by the patterns of symmetry in the ground state, but by the patterns of a decidedly quantum property — entanglement. When two particles are entangled, certain measurements performed on one of them immediately affect the other, no matter how far apart the particles are. The patterns of such quantum effects, unlike the patterns of the atomic positions, could not be described by their symmetries. If you were to describe a city as a topologically ordered state from the cockpit of your impossibly tiny ship, you’d no longer be describing the girders and buildings of the crystals you passed, but rather invisible connections between them — rather like describing a city based on the information flow in its telephone system.

    There are experiments in condensed matter physics that produce results that are inconsistent with the proton collider mindset. Condensed matter produces experimental results that contravene the world of the standard model because of the ways that matter moves and interacts.

    Chemists have at there disposal all 500 states of matter to work with. The experimental results that they produce are ignore by main stream physics because they do not fit into the standard model paradigm. But there is a class of issues in physics that need these new multiworld insights to solve. When physics takes all 500 states of matter into account, then the currently intractable issues that now face science might have a change for resolution.

    https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfWfD9RRvtPOTqXwbc_53TL9V2aphpDgh95OQr_eWfpWRHhRXC

    In the EmDrive, as a result of the particular shape of the cone and the RF antenna, the flow of photons in a particular pattern causes a buildup of EMF in a fixed region of space in a standing wave. This forces the vacuum to compensate with a volume of associated negative energy to develop. Negative vacuum energy produces a repulsive force called dark gravity. IMHO, this is where the push of the EmDrive comes from.

    See for background

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/negativeenergy/negativeenergy.htm

    • GreenWin

      Axil, negative vacuum per the Casimir effect suggests an attractive force. Thus, symmetry broken by e.g. an etched Casimir surface potentially moves forward by attraction – or the negative vacuum it creates.

      From your link:

      “The Casimir effect has recently been measured by Steve K. Lamoreaux of Los Alamos National Laboratory and by Umar Mohideen of the University of California at Riverside and his colleague Anushree Roy. For both the Casimir effect and squeezed states, researchers have measured only the indirect effects of negative energy. ”

      This is just one theoretical view of quantum gravity.

      • Axil Axil

        If we force a tennis ball to the bottom of the ocean, the ball would collapse. Does that mean that the pressure inside the ball is causing the ball to collapse?

        No, it is the pressure outside the ball that is crushing the ball.

        There is a case where negative vacuum energy produces a repulsive force. That case is produced when the medium in which negative vacuum energy occurs is a special type of liquid.

        The vacuum is viewed by some people and me as a spin net liquid. There is a lot of spin in the vacuum but that spin always cancels itself out to remain on the average zero.

        In this liquid environment, negative vacuum energy is repulsive.

        Repulsive Casimir and Casimir-Polder Forces
        http://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.6415v2.pdf

    • Roland

      As an aside to your comment on chemist’s current views of the proliferation of states of matter to account for observations, bio-chemists are slowly coming to terms with with the death of the Materialist view that the field effects found around living organisms are a byproduct of electro-chemistry; the emerging viewpoint is that they are the ‘template’ around which biochemistry is organized as in the absence of these field effects bio-chemistry operates in very haphazard fashion, if at all. (Sheldrake et al)

      • georgehants

        Roland, Wonderful to see an awareness of Morphic Fields, this Website is far more educational than any so called science Website, excluding the great Quantum guys who are certainly on top of their subject.

      • jousterusa

        I wonder if it might not be possible, then, to extend endangered life – someone at the edge of death – by generating the electrochemical frequency of that field.

  • julian becker

    i guess the em drive and LENR are the perfect partners for the future of humanity. if what david pares does in his garage works as well we are ready for deep space and exoplanet exploration. somehow i feel that all three effects have the same source and are just different aspects of the same force.

  • GreenWin
  • Ophelia Rump

    How can you possibly test that outside a vacuum chamber? Vibration off the bottom of the drive would invalidate your results, it is a resonant chamber. The vibrations alone would push air.

    Quantum vacuum virtual plasma probably does not push air molecules.
    Unless you live on the space station, home testing sounds ill advised.

    • Ged

      All about magnitudes.

  • Zephir

    Compare the recent report about “Optical Experiment, which Mimics Futuristic System for Space Propulsion” https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24411-light-can-break-newtons-third-law-by-cheating https://today.ucf.edu/optical-experiment-may-help-lead-to-new-space-propulsion-system/ http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n12/full/nphys2777.html http://www.creol.ucf.edu/Research/Publications/7155.pdf

    This experiment uses loops which causes the EM waves to travel a defined path within the structure. The same can be said of the EMDrive resonant cavity, which causes the waves to travel a defined path. The EmDrive has two components when at resonance: a standing wave and traveling wave, which creates the thrust.

    In both cases, the EM waves should have effective mass. The loops are asymmetric, with one loop larger than the other. The EMDrive is also asymmetric, with one end larger than the other. The light waves from both loops interact with each other at a point where the larger and smaller loops intersect. The EM waves in the EMdrive interact with one another within the resonant structure. The reason the experiment works is because one loop is larger than the other. The reason the EMDrive is supposed to work is because one end plate is larger than the smaller one as a diametric drive.

    The interaction between optical pulses is provided by the Kerr nonlinearity of the optical fibres made of piezoelectric quartz ( http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/12/10/103025/pdf ). Newton’s third law of motion states that the forces two bodies exert on each other are equal and opposite. As a result, two bodies of positive mass tend to accelerate toward each other when this pair of forces happens to be attractive.

    The effect is based on differing group velocities in the loops. In photonic guiding structures, the effective photon mass can be positive or negative depending on the sign of the associated group velocity dispersion. This leads to an “effective negative mass” for one of the photons. The inventor of EMDrive Shawyer also claims (http://emdrive.com/theory.html) the group velocity of the em waves is different at the large end and small end of the EmDrive (http://www.creol.ucf.edu/Research/Publications/7155.pdf in PDF). According to Shawyer’s theory paper the group velocity at the large end plate is higher than that at the small end plate. So, if the photons on one end of the EmDrive have a negative mass compared to photons at the other end, the EmDrive will move, even without expelling anything.

  • nietsnie

    That’s pretty amazing, artefact. Thanks for letting us know about it. I’ve only gotten through 6 subsequent pages. I haven’t gotten to a part where she provides data that makes it even more fun. I hope that’s in there somewhere.

    • artefact

      Lots of data will be collected but only after the new parts arrive. This was just a check if everything works.

  • artefact

    Frank, could you change the name SeeShells to SeeShell? Thanks.

    • ecatworld

      Sure — done.