New Photos Ahead of Orbo Webinar on Dec 2 (Update: CEO McCarthy Announces Product Launch: Orbo Now Like First Combustion Engine)

Steorn will be holding another webinar on December 2nd to promote its Orbo technology, and kick off sales of products. Today some photos have been released on Facebook which give some indications of what we might expect at the meeting on Wednesday.

It looks like they are going ahead with a product launch, and I am planning to order the O-Cube to test it out. Could it be that while the heads of state and industry are meeting in Paris launching a quest for new zero-carbon energy, that a small company in Dublin is going to launch a technology into the marketplace that can create a constant usable electrical current for consumer products at the point of use without any need for fuel input? This is what Steorn now claims. If so, this could be a very significant development. I’ll certainly be tuning in to the webinar on December 2nd

UPDATE (Dec 1, 2015: Steorn CEO Shaun McCarthy just posted this on Facebook:

Tomorrow, fifteen years after starting our little company Steorn, we finally launch our first two Orbo based products. It’s been a journey for sure, we have had the shit kicked out of us on the road, but we always kept going, we always tried to have fun, and we have always tried to do the right thing.

Fifteen years is a long time, but it’s only the start. I have heard many people compare Orbo to the Model T, it’s a technology at the very start of its journey into people’s lives. I believe that Orbo as it exists today is not near the Model T in terms of what it is capable of, its Christiann Huygens first combustion engine. Many people will find our first products to be too expensive and too low in function. Hey, don’t buy them, they are not for you, but they will be!

I will not even attempt to thank everyone who has helped us on this long and interesting journey, it’s in the many of hundreds if not thousands. The next part of the road will be fun, but not without its potholes and turns, and we are looking forward to it, we love a good fight!

Here are a few of the Facebook pictures, some of which look like they have been taken during filming for the webinar.

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Steorn finance director Patrick Corbett with O-Cube chargers on his left, and what look to be boxes for Orbo powered e-cigarettes on his right.

 

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Rachel Wallace, aka “Ogirl” with some O-Cubes

 

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Ogirl with a bottle celebrating that the “battery is dead”.

 

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From Shaun McCarthy’s Facebook profile, this is apparently the “Ophone” that he has been referring to. Not sure if this is ready for sale, but it has reportedly been tested lately. We may find out more about it tomorrow.
  • gdaigle

    I know that 1200 euros is a lot for the O-Cube and it sounds outrageous if you are just recharging your phone or tablet. But look at it this way. If your pacemaker pulse generator battery (lasting the typical 5-10 years and requiring minor surgery and a hospital stay with each replacement) could last your entire life, wouldn’t that be worth 1200 euros? E-cigarette makers are just the first to use Orbo technology. That shouldn’t make us feel that the core technology is shoddy or not deserving of respect. It will eventually come down in price, but in the meantime the publicity about its adoption will open application niches where the price seems very reasonable. Remember, VHS had low acceptance until the porn industry accelerated its popularity over Betamax. Sony could not have forecast that niche, and in general we can’t know in advance what industries will be first adopters.

    • SG

      True this. Only that we need to know that the tech actually works. Soon we shall know.

    • Brent Buckner

      Perhaps the human body provides too much shielding for that application to be practical.

      • gdaigle

        I don’t think that Orbo tech relies on ambient energy. In theory it should run unaffected placed in a Faraday cage.

        • Brent Buckner

          Thanks, you prompted me to look a little further and come up with this: “No, the Orbo is not an energy harvesting device. it can be run in a
          Faraday cage, or a calorimeter, and it can be shown that it is producing
          more energy than it receives from the environment.” from http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/10/orbo_said_to_hit_market_in_december_1.html

          • Zephir

            IMO Orbo works like the negentropic device – it cools itself bellow temperature of environment and it generates electricity into account of it. You couldn’t use it for heating of your home, because the same energy generated with electric current would cool the rest of Orbo,

            https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/3qyhml/new_video_reveals_that_steornt_orbo_powercube/?ref=search_posts

          • Sanjeev

            Thanks for the link Brent. He makes these claims :

            – No, the Orbo is not an energy harvesting device. it can be run in a
            Faraday cage, or a calorimeter, and it can be shown that it is producing
            more energy than it receives from the environment. They have precluded
            all forms of kinetic charging and classic energy conversion.

            – In response to being asked what the energy ratio of the device is,
            Shaun responds that this is not an appropriate way to think about it
            (meaning, I expect, that it takes no energy in and so its output cannot
            be expressed in terms of a ratio). The Orbo powerpack produces a
            constant 0.4 watts that is used to trickle charge the lithium ion
            battery.

            From this I can infer that he means the Orbo is an overunity device with a COP of infinity. I’d like to know what Bob and Frank think about these statements. I think we need to test it asap, these are bold claims !

            • ecatworld

              “I can infer that he means the Orbo is an overunity device with a COP of infinity”

              That’s the inference I get too — he’s saying COP does not apply here. So I agree that it’s a bold claim and that’s why I’m eager to test it out asap.

              • Sanjeev

                Its going to be dramatic. Big hopes and big disappointments are equally possible at this time.

                • ecatworld

                  I agree. That’s why I see this as an important technology to cover here.

        • Bob Greenyer

          It runs on heat change and vibration, there is plenty of the latter in the body.

          • gdaigle

            Shaun did say that it was “good at picking up ambient energy”, but that function has never been a part of Steorn’s claims. Also, the cells he picked up while mentioning the Orbo power cells do appear to be batteries. So I asked Shaun to clarify. He replied: “Ambient energy is for sure ruled out as the prime energy source, the point I was making is that the materials are good at picking up ambient energy, so there will always be some contribution from vibrations etc. As for the phone components, the two blue tubes are made up specially for us, of course the housings are mass produced and also used in caps, so they may look familiar.”

            • Sanjeev

              Can you link to the source where he says that ?
              So the question is what is the prime energy source ? Any theories ?

              • gdaigle

                It was a reply posted on a private group for those formerly under Steorn’s NDA, so I’m not able to give you a link. The prime energy source is still purported to be what Steorn has claimed all along. Here is my description as a non-scientist…
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                The original claim was that a hard magnet like a neodymium would induce magnetism in a soft magnet like a ferrite… and that there are energy harvesting opportunities at the point where the biasing of the ferrite to an external field becomes non-linear. That point is a “bend” in the BH curve that became known as the “knee”.

                The knee is a point on the magnetization curve of some magnetic materials (neodymiums, or neos, in particular) that show an obvious change in slope. Below the knee, magnetization is easily increased by a stronger inducing field, above it less easily. It was originally found by measurement to determine the working point of a magnet or ferrite for use in Orbo’s first mechanical “spinners”, which took advantage of the time lag of ferrite under a rapidly changing strong magnetic field.

                Later, in the e-Orbo, the ferrite was replaced with a wound nanoperm toroid as the stator and the neo placed on a rotor. See their patent EP2514081.

                In the e-Orbo the toroid was pulsed such that as the neo approached the toroid it would cancel the induced counter electromotive force (CEMF) in the toroid, allowing the rotor to retain and even slowly gain momentum. This configuration also used a battery to harvest energy from the coils as the neos passed, and then used capacitors to release most (but not all) of that energy back into the system. That allowed the batteries to slowly recharge.

                The solid state Orbo improved on this by eliminating any rotor and just using pulses from solenoids to induce a field in the toroid, as shown in their patent WO2011110951. By lagging the pulse in the solenoids to closely follow the pulse in the wound toroid, a larger net gain (under the curve) could be generated in the secondary coils. It is the equivalent of cancelling the CEMF in the rotating e-Orbo and again storing the small excess of energy in a battery. See my rough illustration in the attached image.

                The new electret was a surprise, but I believe it is based upon the same principal. Probably using the layering of materials and standing electrical field of the electret to achieve the same sort of time lag and harvesting of energy from magnetic interactions, but in a more flexible form factor.

            • Bob Greenyer

              There is no doubt it is picking up ambient energy – He says it is an electret, it is built using electret principles with electret materials… Electrets harvest thermal and vibration ambient energy via a piezo-like effect.

              It would seem bizarre to somehow disable the way electrets generate potential in order to claim it does not produce potential that way. If it does not harvest ambient energy – it will either be chemical or … chemical… which means it will have a very limited output. Yes – they are produced by polarising in a very high electrostatic field or by “excess charging” = but to claim it does NOT harvest any kind of ambient energy – means all the energy it delivers must be in the cell already – which makes it a battery or an accumulator.

              Since the advertising is “the Battery is Dead” either it is saying that it is a dead device when you get it and it is a joke, or it is saying that it is NOT a battery.

              It will work in a faraday cage.

              • ecatworld

                Right, Shaun does say it picks up ambient energy, but that that’s not the primary source of energy. He doesn’t say what the primary source of energy is, and has said previously (claiming to be an engineer, not a scientist) that he doesn’t know where the energy is coming from.

                • Bob Greenyer

                  Through many experiments we have discovered how incredibly hard it is to build apparatus that does not see environmental temperature shifts – we never tried shielding experiments from all sound and vibrations.

                  I suggested below a series of tests, after full discharge:

                  1. leaving it to sit for 10 mins,
                  2. dunking in 50ºC water, then ice water repeatedly as many times as possible in 10 mins
                  3. sitting it on a large speaker, in a mu-metal case (to prevent electro magnetic charging) and play sound at set amplitude for 10 minutes.

                  See how long it will drive a known load – a motor with a fan would be good as it is nice and visual.

                  NOTE: 3 might produce very different yields with different frequencies/waveforms, so many could be tried including white noise. A combination of 2 and 3 might be good to – have the hot and cold water on the speaker.

                  Then, if Shaun is right, 2 and 3 should only be marginally different to 1, since the claim is that 2 and 3 are not the primary source of energy.

                • ecatworld

                  Good suggestions, Bob. Quite simple, except for maybe getting a mu-metal case.

                • Bob Greenyer

                  That was just to simultaneously exclude the EM from the speaker coil.

                • ecatworld

                  We could try some other non EM source of noise like drums, acoustic instruments.

                • Bob Greenyer

                  That is an excellent idea, much better than my crummy idea.

                  Sit on a base drum and hit for 10 mins – one test
                  Sit on snare drum and hit for 10 mins – one test
                  Sit on drum, don’t hit for 10 mins (There would still be seismic.)
                  Wrap in a duvet for 10mins

                  This would separate other energy sources from a few additional frequencies of vibration.

                  Put in a fridge would be a reasonably stable temperature controlled environment.

                • Stephen

                  Didn’t they test it in a pub at some point? Maybe some good Irish music and/or good Irish Banter is optimum 😉

                • Bob Greenyer

                  It’s the craic

                • SG

                  Mu-metal cases are very inexpensive (as cheap as $15) and easy to find online.

                • ecatworld

                  Ok, thanks. I will do some searching.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is the exact same argument that I gave to our Chinese friend before he had his pacemaker fittest a few weeks ago. However, the batteries in a pacemaker are minuscule.

  • Roland

    There’s a very simple experiment anyone, even a child, can perform that demonstrates how poorly we understand magnetism.

    The apparatus consists of a disc magnet and two pieces of tubing about 18″ long with an inside diameter slightly larger than the outside diameter of the disc magnet. One tube is made of rigid plastic and the other is formed from copper.

    Drop the magnet through the plastic tube, and then through the copper tube and repeat till you believe what your eyes are telling you.

    • Sanjeev

      Magnet should fall relatively slowly inside the copper, but what is so mysterious about it ?

      • Roberto Siquieros

        I’ve seen this done and found it very interesting at the time. Please explain the mystery for us non-scientists ..

        • gdaigle

          From at site at MIT: A magnet is dropped down a conducting copper pipe and feels a resistive force. The falling magnet induces a current in the copper pipe and, by Lenz’s Law, the current creates a magnetic field that opposes the changing field of the falling magnet. Thus, the magnet is “repelled” and falls more slowly.

        • Roland

          Copper is non-magnetic; there is zero attraction to the copper pipe and the effect is gravitic in nature.

          This is demonstrated by another simple experiment that makes the nature of the effect more obvious.

          The apparatus consists of 2 neodymium disc magnets and a brass bolt and nut. Drill through holes in the centre of the 2 disc magnets, insert the bolt through one magnet and then orient the second magnet on the bolt so that the magnets repel each other, use the nut to force the 2 magnets together, drop the assembly simultaneously with an object with similar mass to surface area characteristics from a height, like Galileo, and observe which arrives first.

          Some caution should be exercised when using powerful magnets in this fashion, the forces exerted on the bolt and nut assembly are substantial.

  • Roberto Siquieros

    Tomorrow .. Dec 02 promises to be an interesting day: Britain blunders its way into WW3 and free energy is invented

    • georgehants

      Roberto, Turkey shoots down a harmless Russian plane fighting against IS terrorism and the NATO response is to announce a strengthening of Turkeys defenses with anti-aircraft missiles.
      It would seem that the elite running this Western World not only control such things as Cold Fusion etc. to stop the ordinary rabble becoming above themselves, but are determined to use their nuclear fallout shelters costing billions to protect a few crazy politicians, generals etc.
      What has happened to the Free press in the 21st century.

      • Roberto Siquieros

        Hmm, that’s why I don’t read the non-Free Press, or watch / listen to the news very often. Scary to say but I seem to get most of my word knowledge from facebook these days. Incidentally, nice post on Fb yesterday from MFMP: “Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan announce baby girl – and massive
        charity initiative whereby he would give away 99% of his shares in
        Facebook during his life.”

        He’s worth $45B apparently!! With this and Mr.Gates could this be a new trend amongst super rich?? Ha ha likely story ..

        http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/01/mark-zuckerberg-and-priscilla-chan-announce-new-baby-and-massive-charity-initiative

        • georgehants

          Yes I saw that, No need to give away such money, a great percentage of which will be absorbed by the corruption that lurks everywhere.
          Simply change the system to build drug manufacturing facilities in each country in need, no patent protection, no profit, just employing say one thousand local workers to supply the whole of each country with all the free drugs they need.
          Many other sensible simple ways to remove inequality, that will never happen because the rich and powerful will never allow their parasitic positions to be threatened.
          Best

  • Barbierir

    I’d like for it to work, not only for the technology but also because it would be extremely amusing and ironic that it actually works after they made every (unintentional?) effort to make it look like a free energy scam

  • Bob Greenyer

    A dual sim Nokia colour feature phone (basic email etc) with a standard Li-based battery that lasts about 2 weeks for normal use costs about Euro 30 new (I know because I have one I bought there in 2011 that I use – see picture). They cost about 10 Euros second hand

    If you cannot find a socket in 2 weeks, and you don’t have another 3 Euro battery fully charged on you ready to swap out in 30 seconds – then you can spend 18 Euro on a solar/windup charger light to be completely off-grid (and able to charge any USB item)

    The Ophone is going to have a hard time selling outside of novelty – not something that is sellable to the third world – they all want smart phones and a quad core 4GB android phone in India can cost much less than 60Euros new…

    http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/micromax-phones

    Having said that, if the Ophone was around 50 Euros, I’d buy one.

  • georgehants

    It is fun speculating but meaningless, the World is either round or flat and we had to wait a long time to find out which.

  • Owen Geiger

    The output must be very low or surely a phone company or similar device maker (PDA, etc.) would have licensed or bought this technology. Even with a dodgy history, if it works reliably then big name companies would be all over this.

    • Omega Z

      If the “Ophone” works, then no need for the Orbo phone charger. Right???

      • ecatworld

        I think it depends on what you want to charge. It looks like the ophone is a dumb phone. The charger can be used for smartphones, tablets, etc.

    • Zephir

      /* The output must be very low or surely a phone company or similar device
      maker (PDA, etc.) would have licensed or bought this technology */

      This is like to say, the E-Cat cannot work, or someone would already bought this technology. The contemporary world doesn’t think/act so due to omnipresent competetion. IMO Steorn will face the same ignorance from producers of batteries, like the A.Rossi from producers of energy.

      • Owen Geiger

        Actually, Rossi has a string of investors from Leonardo, IH and Woodford. Surely Orbo tried to pitch their product to phone companies. It’s highly suspicious that none so far have partnered or invested in this product. To me it’s just another warning sign of a potentially feeble product. We’ll see.

        • ecatworld

          Well they have managed to be kept alive from investor funding, so there are some that believe they are worth something. I believe so far 21 million Euros has been raised from mainly Irish investors.

          • Owen Geiger

            That’s encouraging, but still it makes you wonder why no serious company has latched onto their product. Obviously having a product like a cell phone that requires no charging is very appealing and so big companies would pay a lot of money for this feature. Something doesn’t add up. That’s why I’m assuming at this point that the output is very low.

            • ecatworld

              From what I have heard the ophone has only been tested in prototype form over the last two or three weeks, so I think it’s a very new development.

  • keV

    Basically the output per gram is very low at the moment (may be they can developed it over time), so they can only usevit on devices that can (charge over a long period and consume relatively small amounts power in small chunks. So a basic phone (remember when you could charge them once and they would last a week) and a specially designed e-cigarette were the best items they could think of that people would pay the extra bucks for the convenience of not having to ever plug it in. Assuming that whatever chemicals there are in there do not degrade over a couple years, they might have a market for it.

    • Gerald

      This technology in combination with zigbee/z-wave en lora technology could become interesting. Think about devices connected to a network in difficult reachable places.

  • Bob

    I do not know what to think. .. 🙁
    .
    On one hand, this is about as unprofessional of a product rollout that I have personally seen. It is below par to some of the info commercials for “Fix Everything Spray” and “Cut through steel can knives” seen on late night TV!.
    .
    Having the first product using your technology be a vapor cigarette company does not do much either. While I know they are becoming popular, reports are that they are not much better for your health than actual cigarettes.
    .
    This kind of carnival presentation is what gives serious “new energy” a bad name. There are enough fake and silly over unity devices being touted. Just check PESN! This will not do much to improve the impression that many have. Even it their device does work.
    .
    Orbo phone….. good idea if it works. Orbo destroy your lungs stick…. not so good.
    .
    Even the language they used on the first video was completely tasteless, vulgar and rude much less professional. It seemed they were more a much of party fraternity goofs rather than serious scientists. I am all for having a good time, but there is a time for everything.
    .
    I do not hold much confidence in this group. BUT time will tell.
    .
    As always…. we wait.

    • ecatworld

      To me, it’s all about the technology. I can overlook a lot of things if the technology works as they claim.

      • Agaricus

        The phone seems more than a little ‘retro’ – very few people would be willing to abandon their ‘apps’ and internet connectivity and go back to a screen the size of a stamp, as the price of freedom from a charger.

        Obviously the output from Orbo is miniscule, and not enough to power a larger screen even with battery storage – perhaps they should have held back on such half, er, baked products until they could improve output.

        That said, I’d quite like a compact camera that wasn’t always flat when I wanted to use it.

        • Sanjeev

          The Ophone looks like only a CG render, artists concept.
          Of course no one will buy it for its usefulness, only for its historic value, if it exists and works, i.e….

          • https://pissedthefuckoff.wordpress.com/ Mark

            I disagree. Plenty of people will buy it for usefulness. Charging can be a pain, and I know plenty of people who would love to throw away the charger.

          • hempenearth

            I reckon many will be bought on behalf of Nokia, Samsung, Apple and others to dismantle them and find out how they work.

        • hempenearth

          The phone is aimed at getting big phone manufacturers to licence the technology.

    • Slad

      MY my… carnival presentation = “dog and pony show”

      😉

  • Brokeeper

    His next product is the Orbit, a mobile electric distillery that extracts and recombines hydrocarbons from the air into your favorite spirit. Your feet will never touch the ground. A combined package of all his products is everything one would need for a mobile Pub and it also reduces CO2 gas. (Does he resemble a bartender in the picture?)

    • Blue Energy

      Tea; Earl Grey; hot…

    • Agaricus

      Is there a pre-order list for the Orbit? (I prefer ‘O-flask’)

  • gdaigle

    Frank, don’t you mean Wednesday, Dec 2 rather than “tomorrow”?

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder
  • Facepalm

    Endless energy from a e-cigarett. Is this a joke? Who can believe in such thing?

    • pg

      the Marlboro man..

    • Curbina

      The e-cig maker licensed orbo for making the first never recharge e-cig.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Practically, the ONLY thing that stops my nephew and brother in law smoking their e-cigarette is the fact the battery needs re-charging.

        Go long e-liquids if this takes off.

        • Curbina

          I don’t smoke, so I could not have a realistic idea, but it seems that the mere idea of a never recharge power pak for e-cigs made the owners of that e-cig makers company got really interested and involved with steorn since a few years ago.

  • https://pissedthefuckoff.wordpress.com/ Mark

    Did the Ogirl design that room? It looks like a princess fantasy palace…with a pool table.

    • toast

      It looks more like the proverbial “padded room” to me.

    • hempenearth

      And for the athletic types……a dart board!

    • Agaricus

      I think it’s probably Shaun McCarthy’s private pub – aka his living room, although the decor is more than a little Beverly Hills.