New Photo of 1MW Plant and Design of Future Plant on Ecat.com

A couple of new images have been posted on Ecat.com. The first is a new photo of the current 1 MW E-Cat plant:

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The second is an artist’s impression of what a future 1MW plant could look like. Notice how these are not in shipping containers, but housed in their own cases. Andrea Rossi mentioned recently that these plants would measure about 2 x 2 x 1 meters.

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  • builditnow

    How about one controller for each E-Cat. There are 36 controllers, so, 1000,000 / 36 = approximately 28kW per E-Cat, on average.

  • artefact

    It can be that one pump is not fast enough. That is the only reason I can think of; but I don’t know these pumps.

    For the pump shut down: Rossi said, when working with the 10-20 KW version, that there is enough water in the reactor to cool the core down by itself and that it is intrinsically safe.
    I think he kept the ratio of water to KW relativly equal to the smaler version.

    • bachcole

      It seems awfully small to me to be putting out one million watts. We can’t see the other end, but just how much water as output at just how much temperature would be necessary to put out one million watts?

  • artefact

    These are pumps to have a controlled water inflow to the reactors.

  • EEStorFanFibb

    Anyone?

    • kenko1

      My guess for six units is five working and one spare for repairs-refueling-downtime..

  • GreenWin

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  • Ged

    Vastly improved over the clunky first version 1MW plant. Doesn’t even fill the container, while the first was spilled out on top. Definitely a Lot of engineering progress. The artist design is rather sexy too.

  • Mike

    I can’t see any trace of numbers in the displays. A second thought is about the location of the horizontal vessels above each row of red boxes. I believe they contain water. Why are they not insulated and why are the located close to the electronics, What will happen in case of leackage? Simply a stupid design

    • Ivan Idso

      Who are you Mike, to criticize this design when you are basing your analysis on a picture and you have not went through multiple revisions over 10+ years and have lived with this power plant for the last 9 months. You can question the design, but to call it “stupid” without knowing more about the reasons for the design is arrogant on your part.

      I don’t comment often, but some comments from “armchair” engineers and scientists who criticize Andrea Rossi’s progress and work really bother me.

      • GreenWin

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    • Warthog

      “Why are they not insulated and why are the located close to the electronics,”

      Well, perhaps they are water INLETS, which are unlikely to be insulated. As to being located “close to the electronics”, this front view cannot reveal what the lateral offsets are. They may be quite well separated in the horizontal plane.

    • Bob Matulis

      Upon cursory look the design does not set off any red flags for me. I have worked on several hydronic systems and control panels/electronics can be adjacent to the piping (just not beneath it.)

    • Charlie tapp

      @mike those red boxes are diaphragm pumps that is why the water line is there. And it is insulated that is what the white stuff is, it makes no sense to me to have those insulated because I would think those are supply lines unless it is recirculated warm water. But the main line comeing down is not insulated. I personally would not use that black iron pipe looks like lots of rust in this system as all those plastic feed lines are supposed to be clear. These pumps are built to be water proof so no worries on leaks. The displays do look like they are reading something but cannot tell what. this would be gpm, speed, ma. Input from drive, pump related info. These types of pumps are nessesary for controlling water input, to much water would not boil not enough would over heat it. They are in communication with the control panels that are barely visible down the right side. These keep everything in order for each reactor. temp, pressure, water flows, very precisely. Then they tie into a main computer somewhere.

    • Observer

      Have you ever wondered why the numbers in certain clock displays “dance” up and down when you look at them while chewing? It is because the LED’s are multiplexed, and thus are not all lit up at the same time. depending on the exposure time, it may be difficult to read such a display from a photograph.

  • Uncle Bob

    It looks more like a data server than an energy generator.
    If it produced electrical power it might be a bit more appropriate, but since so far all we have is the production of steam, then there is no way it would ever look like that and in those surroundings in the real world.
    And since the results could still be either positive or negative, it might never look like anything at all.

    I can’t help thinking the more frequent announcement of problems and the constant warning of ” The results could still be either positive or negative” is made for the purpose of rationalizing the very real probability that this 1MW plant on test will never go into production.

    If, at the end of the 12 month test which will be coming up soon, the results were as good as originally expected, the previously proclaimed next action is for it to go into rapid production in a big way. I don’t believe that will happen. I don’t believe anything will go into production.
    And I think the constant warnings and provisos are paving the way for this.

    I think the new E-cat X will be used to divert attention from this lack of progress towards production in the same way the earlier 1MW plant was used to divert attention from the lack of a ‘Home E-cat’ and then the Hot-cat was used to divert attention away from the non production of of the earlier 1MW plant.
    And after all that the 1MW plant now under test is still the original old low temperature technology which was supposedly made obsolete by the new Hot-Cat, which was the technology that IH bought into I might add.
    And now, the Hot-cat device tested and reported on by all those wise men which prompted IH to part with all that money, appears to have sailed off into the sunset, along with the original much lauded home e-cat..

    Now, coming towards the the end of the rigorous 12 month test of the original and upgraded low temperature 1MW e-cat plant, the long awaited production facility is about to spring into a massive production phase at a speed which we were previously told “would surprise some people”.

    After all this time, it’s really hard to hold any confidence that anything at all will be produced on a commercial basis, so if that actually does happen at any speed, then I can certainly be counted as one of those who are surprised.

    • Jimr

      I am not quite as negative as you but I agree mass production is not near. I think that Rossi is getting to the same point as Brillouin is at presently and that is problems with metal failure due to high temperature/ hydrogen. This may be a major problem for long term operation.

    • BillH

      I mentioned all these re-designs and new configurations that have later been discarded in an earlier thread but no one took much notice. I don’t expect that should the test get to day 380 that it will be announced as a failure, no at least without a very good explanation and a good degree of disclosure as to why. Should it fail, even at this early stage I can see only two reasonable ways forward. IH/AR use the current configuration to supply heat/steam to a customer on a contract to supply basis, and they allow prospective customers to come and see the plant in action, i.e. no NDA’s OR they create their own plant and using the new X-Cat with a feed-in tariff to provide energy to the grid and generate income for further development and testing. Another year long test would be stretching credibly to it’s limit, even 6 months might allow rivals to steal a march on E-Cat and collect all the accolades. The time of reckoning is rapidly approaching.

  • Agaricus

    The ‘fridge doors’ don’t seem to serve much purpose, and would limit placement of the units. I can’t see those making it through to any commercial design. I have to say the render doesn’t resemble any industrial boiler room I’ve ever come across – they are usually concrete-floored barns with pipes, valves, ducting, switchgear and cable trays everywhere you look.

    • Warthog

      Note the words “artist’s conception”…..not “engineers conception” or “reality”. Having worked on MANY pieces of sophisticated instrumentation (and designing a few myself), the “designers” cannot help themselves…they just have to add pretty curved covers, doors, etc., etc. that just get in the way, and are summarily removed and usually discarded once a device is put into real use.

      • US_Citizen71

        Artists tend not to use the KISS principle as it doesn’t generally go with the aesthetic they are striving for.

        • HS61AF91

          Artists think differently, not simply. There’s exceptions: Leonardo da Vinci and Andrea Rossi for instance.

    • timycelyn

      Perhaps its supposed to be the new boiler showroom. The salesman’s desk is just out of view on the RHS. He’s probably wearing a very smart suit co-ordinated with the units……

  • pg

    Nice. Frank, it would be good to have the photo of the older version on this page to make an easy comparison between the two.

  • Sanjeev

    I like the server room/data center like concept. At least, the annoying cat logo is absent there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/100002656573372 Ian Walker

      Hi all

      I like the cat logo 🙂 but we are all allowed to have own opinion sanjeev.

      Kind Regards walker

      • Sanjeev

        I’m very happy that you like the logo. Probably I’m a bit too picky 😉