Rydberg Matter Fuel Preparation (Axil Axil)

The following post was submitted by Axil Axil

Why does the LeClair reactor produce radiation and neutrons and the device invented by James Griggs does not?

It’s a matter of temperature. The James Griggs device runs at an operating temperature of 400F, whereas, the LeClair reactor is not pressurized and does not.

Since the Hydrogen Rydberg matter is a bigger molecule than the water molecule, it might be possible to capture the rydberg matter from the Griggs device using a properly sized filtration device placed in the flow of the circulating water and remove this filter as a feedstock for a laser based or electric arc based LENR reactor. The high power potential of an electric motor will dump a significant amount of power into the water thus amplifying the rate of production of rydberg matter. Any level of power could be applied to the water to speed Rydberg matter production.

The level of Rydberg matter production could be determined by exposure of a photographic emulsion to the water filters.

Joe Papp used this method of fuel preprocessing to form a Rydberg matter fortified water solution that he used as an explosive and fuel for his engine.

Just like Papp did, other elements like chlorine might be added to the water to enhance the explosive effect. Papp used a electric arc to activate and liberate power production from his fuel.

If a nickel or silica aeroform is used as a filter, a Rossi like tube reactor could be fueled with the powder make from the powdered aerofoam.


Axil Axil

  • Roland

    Right or wrong in the particulars Axil Axil is looking into aspects of ‘reality’ that are potentially of vast import as I am increasingly convinced that probing the nature of the implicate order by every possible means will, at some point, lead to profound insights into both the nature of consciousness and the underlying mechanisms of the physical universe.

    Some of the ‘data’ will require an unprecedented open-mindedness. For example there is high speed multi camera footage shot at SRI decades ago of Ingo Swann materializing and dematerializing solid objects at will. There are a plethora of bizarre documented phenomena that require integration into any conclusive model of ‘reality’ if intellectual honesty is to prevail.

    On a more pedestrian note the recent confirmation of quantum entanglement could be regarded as demonstrating an aspect of the implicate orders’ extention into the mundane. That information and energies can be communicated instantaneously between ‘particles’ by unknown mechanisms could be viewed as an insight into one of the properties of the implicate order.

  • Axil Axil

    Holmlid says that the the reaction is delayed by 26ns for deuterium and 52 ns for protium. This means that the reaction is produced by a decay product of the K mesons. The 10 billion kaons are produced simultaneously. Positrons are seen but no gamma. This is important. This means that the mechanism that suppresses or theralizes the gamma radiation exists AFTER the hydrogen Rydberg matter is blasted apart. The Rydberg matter may not causative.

    This also means that more electrons are seen then positions like what happened in the big bang in respect to CPT violation. Positrons were seen a long distance away from the site of the reactions. This means that the gamma thermalization extends outway meters from the site of the reaction.

    How long does it take to reenergize this process? How long do we need to wait before another laser shot produces similar results. Both Mills and Papp were able to repeat their reaction is milliseconds. Can Holmlid do the same? Does this reaction still need hydrogen Rydberg matter to exist after the first laser shot? Holmlid said that it takes weeks to build up the Rydberg matter. But both Mills and Papp got repeatable results in milliseconds. Does this mean that the case of the reaction persists to thermalize radiation, stabilize radioactive isotopes long after the Rydberg matter is gone?

    We are at a stage in LENR where Niels Bohr was doing his exproation of the struture of the atom. Holmlid needs to modify his experimental processes to get as much info out of his experiment as he can.

    • Mats002

      What kind of instruments did Bohr have almost 100 years ago to be at todays level of measurements? We should have much better tools today, but I do not know what Bohr had to be able to explore the atom.

  • Axil Axil

    CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects: (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.

    Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP violation,

    The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons resulted in the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1980 for its discoverers James Croninand Val Fitch.


    Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons?

    In physical cosmology, baryogenesis is the generic term for the hypothetical physical processes that produced an asymmetry(imbalance) between baryons and antibaryons produced in the very early universe. The baryonic matter that remains today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, makes up the universe. The same is true for fermions.

    LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons and antifermions) are being sent back in time. Where are those antiparticles going?

    We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions all the time. Could LENR be the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his experiment. Rossi could be doing the same thing in his E-Cat X reactor. And Papp produced tons of electrons from nowhere. Don’t get excited, we are just talking here. There is a lot more here than meets the eye. It is going to be quite some time before people get a warm feeling about LENR.

    • Dave Lawton

      Axil Axil as I’m not a theoretician and just a practical sort of chap I can see were your
      coming from and having worked in High energy particle physics many years ago and from
      my experience I believe you are spot on.It fits in with my own thoughts on the subject after I conducted some wet Lenr experiments.

  • Axil Axil

    Shakespeare used this idiom in The Merchant of Venice (2:2): “But in the end truth will out.”

    The assumption here is that the SPP is the only cause for LENR in all its various forms.

    I don’t care if you believe me or not: what’s true is true. R Mills is reinventing the Papp engine in the Suncell and so is Holmlid. Papp was first and the best so far. Give that devil his due. I am not disposed to forgo a valuable tool in LENR engineering just because its inventor was a SOB.

    No replicator could get the Papp engine to work because of the tricky requirement for fuel preparation. We know now that the fuel used in LENR in all its forms must be prepared in a time intensive process. This preparation takes a lot of time and a lot of energy. The solitons that produce the LENR reaction hold a huge amount of energy.

    The situation is like a car with a battery the size of a building. It takes a long time to pump power into that energy storage device before it becomes active enough to produce high grade power with a high enough voltage. This is what Holmlid tells us. He says that it takes weeks of applying Laser power before the catalyst becomes active.

    Lasers and dipoles don’t talk well together. Lasers produce plain waves at a single frequency and dipoles don’t take kindly to that type of EMF. An electron and a photon must have the same energy level to join together to become a polariton. That marriage needs a common energy level. Only a meager number of dipoles finely tuned to the exact fervency of the laser will become entangled. If there is lots of bumps and nanocavities, then the Laser light will become decoherent. Decoherent light( from an arc that R. Mills uses in the Suncell) is best so that dipoles of any stage of development will become polaritons. A shotgun is better to down a clay pigeon than a 22 is.

    LENR replicators do not preprocess the fuel that they use and they don’t wait long enough for the LENR reaction to take hold. No one wants to invest the time and energy to properly prepare the fuel.

    This is a lessen that we can draw from Joe Papp. No one understood the reason why he invented a fuel preparation process. If the Papp fuel was not preprocessed, the Papp engine would need to crank for a week before it kicked over. Papp knew he had to load a lot of energy into that fuel before it became active.

    If we have a trillion SPPs each needing a full charge of 1,000,000 GeV before they all become active, that implies that a great deal of energy is needed to charge up that fuel.

    The various ways to inject energy into that fuel have differing power loading potential. Heat is the least effective method. Lasers seem to be somewhat more powerful but a few weeks to get the Holmlid fuel up to speed indicates to us that Laser power is marginal. Spark discharge and cavitation seem to be the most powerful method of power injection.

    We can determine how long cavitation takes to charge up the LENR fuel by seeing how long it takes for gammas to appear after the pump is turned on in the LeClair reactor.

    DGT could start their reaction in a few hours because an electric arc is a powerful source of incoherent EMF power.

    Holmlid’s effect is difficult to duplicate because most replicators don’t have the patience to wait for weeks to see positive results.

    The choice before the replicator is plainly stated; he can use a powerful source of incoherent energy or he could just wait for weeks while energy trickles into his power hungry fuel.

    • tlp

      How SPP theory is better than hydrino (GUTCP) theory?

      • Axil Axil

        Because SPP theory is true and Hydrino theory is false.

        • tlp

          Wrong answer, the Hydrino has been experimentally observed by independent testers.

          • Axil Axil

            I read this on vortex as follows:

            Eric Walker 7/29/14

            to vortex-l

            On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mike Carrell wrote:

            That light was observed at BLP and confirmed at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

            I’ve always been a little uncomfortable with the way the testing done on behalf of BLP at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA is characterized. After hearing statements like the one above, one gets a little excited and wants to repeat to others, “Harvard professors tested and confirmed that Mill’s device works and proved that hydrinos exist.” But then one goes back to the writeup by GEN3 Partners, who oversaw the test, and reads: “Alexander Bykanov, PhD … Spectroscopy was performed at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA), Cambridge, MA, USA by spectroscopists under contract to GEN3 Partners”. It seems that what was confirmed, if Bykanov’s retelling is accurate, is that spectroscopy at Harvard CfA showed evidence (and several possible artifacts) of continuum radiation in the 10-30 nm range from low-energy, high current pinch discharges of molecular hydrogen, and not in comparable trials with helium.

            This fellow appears to be the Alexander Bykanov mentioned as the author of the GEN3 writeup:


            (If this is the same Bykanov, and one wondered on a lark whether he had some kind affiliation with Harvard, one may now wonder no more.)


            • tlp

              Yes, that is one example of Hydrino experiments, happened to be done in Harvard CfA, I guess they have good tools there. Nobody has mentioned that Harvard professors were involved.

              Remember, how long does it take to open a closed mind?

              • Axil Axil

                Prove that the blue light is coming from an atom and not from a collection of electrons moving in a circle.

                • tlp

                  What kind of an experiment would prove that?

                • Axil Axil

                  What kind of experiment did R. Mills run to prove it. He built his world around this assumption. He would be well advised to make really sure that this fact was true. He just sub-contracted this test to a guy twice removed from his operation. Did this guy say just what Mills wanted to hear and collected his check?

                • tlp

                  Should have read the paper first, of course they verified this also:

                  The influence of electrons triggering the discharge (electron gun) was also eliminated as the source of the continuum radiation. The applied pulsed voltage to drive the plasma was increased from -10 kV to -15 kV in sequential runs to determine any high-energy electron effect on the spectral profile. No effect was observed; thus, high-energy electrons were eliminated as a possible cause of continuum radiation.


                  What are you meaning by this?: He just sub-contracted this test to a guy twice removed from his operation.

                • Axil Axil

                  Electrons inside a nanocavity will not be affected by high energy electrons. The wavelength of the light coming out of that cavity is determined by the dimension of the cavity. EMF that enters the cavity is modified by Fano resonance to fit inside the cavity. There is some bad assumptions made here that a false world of invalid ideas are built upon

                • tlp

                  Where are those nanocavities in this experiment? You seem to support all kinds of different theories, but refuse to accept that GUTCP could solve all kinds of mysteries. Like accelerating expansion of the universe, which Mills predicted 1995. Or Fifth Force, experiment: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/theory/theorypapers/F%5E2%20paper102307.pdf and patent http://www.google.com/patents/US20100251691

                • Axil Axil

                  These nanoparticles are formed by chemical action most often resulting in the formation of nanoparticles and/or rough surfaces.

                  The cause mill sites for the expanding universe is the hyperbolic electron. The correct name for this hybrid electron photon pair is the polariton. This is what I considered to be at the center of the LENR reaction.

                  The experiment that Mills sites is a wonderful proof that the polariton is the answer to most of the unsolved issues that now face physics and cosmology.

                  Mills should now change his theory to replace the hydrino with the polariton. He is close now. He will then be where most others are like L&W.

                • tlp

                  No, the accelerating universe is explained here: http://zhydrogen.com/?page_id=1189. Mills Fifth Force invention is made later, and waiting now that SunCell is ready to make electricity on board. After that we may have flying cars etc.

                • Axil Axil

                  Mills interpretation of his experiments are wrong. The SPP production in space organizes the random magnetic properties throughout space in a bose condensate. The vacuum is gravitationally neutral. This excess magnetism produced by LENR throughout the whole of space has organized the vacuum and is the force that is defeating gravity by stiffening the curvature of spacetime.

  • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

    Please excuse my Ignorance.
    But what is State-of- the- Union ?

    • Christina

      Hi twobob,

      The President of the United States gives a State-of-the-Union address to Congress every January or so to inform Congress and the nation what he is doing, planning to do, or has done. It’s supposed to be informative, but :). Frank’s State-of-the-Union address is simply telling what is happening in lenr and other scientific forefronts,etc.

      • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

        Thank you!
        You have helped me achieve my goal.
        Of Laughing and learning every day.

  • MasterBlaster7

    In lieu of any changes made to the web site, I think it is important that detractors and/or rational skeptics speak up regarding outlandish posts; especially ones knowledgeable in the subject matter. It helps those (me) less knowledgeable in the subject get an objective handle on what those (me) less knowledgeable are reading. In other words…everyone keep doing what you are doing here. Should be good enough.

  • clovis ray

    HI, axil.
    Not sure, what your talking about , you do raise some subjects that is very controversial, you keep raising people like J papp, i tend to lose faith in anything you say, you and i have already had it out about papp, i and most people that know anything about this field of endeavor knows he was a swindler, and liar, among a lot of other unsavory crap, i had a friend that worked with a large group of like minded folks , after years of experimenting, they found nothing, he said he had a device that had run for years, strange thing is no one, i mean no one ever saw it in operation,

    • invient

      I share your opinion of Papp. Axil has written many interesting ideas, the blackhole and SPP connection was supported with a video linked here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMYcqxuZ_I)…

      So, I wont dismiss Axil, but Papp decidedly will be left in the swindler category.

  • Axil Axil

    The SPP is dark matter. The SPP is produced by interstellar dust and collects EMF energy and turns it into mass, a lot of mass, and this SPP does not radiated energy. The SPP only produces gravity. This is Holmlid theory of dark matter but what Holmlid says is that hydrogen Rydberg matter is Dark matter not what this matter produces. I say that the SPP is where the mass is stored.

  • Axil Axil

    This paper shows how SPPs can produce the creation of massive quark based particles from the vacuum through spontaneous symmetry breaking induced by tachyon condensation


    Optical analogue of spontaneous symmetry breaking induced by tachyon condensation in amplifying plasmonic arrays

    We study analytically and numerically an optical analogue of tachyon condensation in amplifying plasmonic arrays. Optical propagation is modeled through coupled-mode equations, which in the continuous limit can be converted into a nonlinear one-dimensional Dirac-like equation for fermionic particles with imaginary mass, i.e. fermionic tachyons. We demonstrate that the vacuum state is unstable and acquires an expectation value with broken chiral symmetry, corresponding to the homogeneous nonlinear stationary solution of the system. The quantum field theory analogue of this process is the condensation of unstable fermionic tachyons into massive particles. This paves the way for using amplifying plasmonic arrays as a classical laboratory for spontaneous symmetry breaking effects in quantum field theory.

  • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

    I have found that to have a mind that has no tolerance for other peoples. views and interests.
    Is to have missed a lot of interesting information.
    Mr J Papp may have been, as some say a trickster. Or not?
    But to blow off any left field research is to miss the great break through.
    I personally think That Axil Axil Has a good case to publish his views and interests.
    I have interests in the work of Mr William Lyne. (Occult Ether Physics)
    I have read his works and find that to be another left field unexplored.

    • Aleksandr Albert

      Nobody said Axil Axil should not publish his views. What was said was that there are more appropriate mediums to do so than as articles on a website which is trying to educate the general population about a controversial phenomena.

      If it really is the goal of this site to let the public know that LENR is a serious phenomenon, then to me it seems important that opinionated articles be kept to a minimum. I myself recommend this site to people who ask me about LENR, and in many ways this site represents the community.

      Again, Axil is free to publish his ideas and really its up to Frank at the end of the day, I am just of the opinion that there are more responsible channels to do so.

      • http://bobmapp.com.uk twobob

        Axil Axil Has published A few items on this site.
        Not all I have had sympathy with, in fact one of my comments was blocked.
        I do not agree that this site is so narrow in its definition.
        There have been other articles published here, that are not only about LENR.

        • f sedei

          I do not like blocked comments unless it is explained why they are blocked. Such blockage leads to suspicion of favoritism toward certain.positions of commentators. Lets keep this site open and legitimate.

      • Axil Axil
      • Roland

        Axil Axil is making a sustained effort to come to grips with the most enigmatic aspects of the LENR phenomena, the potentiality that LENR is in some regard a manifestation of interaction with the implicate order.

        Before dismissing this area of inquiry we would do well to remember that our current model of the emergence of the physical universe postulates exactly this, the universe spontaneously emerges from…

        On the other hand Randal Mills begins with a theory that made specific predictions about cosmology that were subsequently borne out by observation, his predictive modelling of new molecules based on his theory is also very compelling. Randal is quite obviously on to something and I retain a guarded optimism that BLP will also be a player, along with Rossi, in a more hopeful future.

        • Axil Axil

          R. Mills assumption is that the 10 mm XUV light is produced by electrons low in close to the nucleus. He didn’t realize now some 25 years ago that high energy light could be produced by other things besides electrons orbiting nuclei. Artificial atoms were not know back then. The SPP when it explodes in a bosenova produces XUV and soft x-rays.

          The Dark mode SPP is dark matter and can use all the evidence that R. Mills uses in his explanation of hydrinos in space.

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    This article makes no sense to me, and the mention of Joe Papp makes it even less credible. I think E-Cat World should refrain from publishing such wild, unscientific fantasies or it will bring down its credibility rating, which will hurt the progression of LENR and other real scientific breakthroughs.

    • Axil Axil


      The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp’s Noble Gas Engine

      The section on the Feynman trial was interesting to me. Feynman killed two people because he did not believe that the Papp engine was real.

      Here is what feynman said:

      “If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong….”

      “In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it (audience laughter), no, don’t laugh, that’s really true.Then we compute the consequences of the guess, to see what, if this is right, if this law we guess is right, to see what it would imply and then we compare the computation results to nature, or we say compare to experiment or experience, compare it directly with observations to see if it works.

      If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are who made the guess, or what his name is… If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.”

      But when feynman: the hypocrite saw the engine in operation, he could not bring himself to believe it. Even when he went to trial, and the court appointed mechanics tore the reactor down, they found no bomb as feynman claimed. It was an ordinary engine. The magic was in the fuel.