‘The Battery is Dead’: Steorn Starts Build-up to Orbo O-Cube Webinar Next Week (Video)

There will be a webinar put on by Steorn a week from today in which they will introduce a product they are calling the ‘O-Cube’ — apparently a mobile device charger which is based on their Orbo technology, which has been described by Steorn CEO Shaun McCarthy as a “never-die battery,” i.e. it never runs out of charge with which to charge a mobile device

Today they put out this video on Facebook, which really doesn’t provide much information about the product — but I suppose is intended to generate some interest and excitement about the webinar that will be held on October 28th at 7:00 pm GMT.

I have registered for the event, and will certainly be interested in what they have to say. From what I have heard so far, the presentations will not be dealing with technical details, but will focus on the product itself and what it can do. It seems that Steorn has decided to focus all their marketing and information efforts via Facebook. Their domains www.steorn.com and www.orbo.com now point to this Orbo Facebook page which they describe as “A place to hear about Orbo from the guys who made it and for Orbo users to share their experiences.”

My understanding is that the Orbo O-Cube is supposed to be available for purchase before the end of the year. I have no more details, but I expect that kind of information will be covered in the webinar next week.

What do I expect? Speaking for myself, frankly I’m quite optimistic that they will demonstrate something interesting. I have followed Steorn for many years now and have always found reason to believe they are a serious engineering outfit, despite some major PR disasters. Some say their technology is impossible — well, we’ve heard that before here. It may be that Steorn has found a different way to tap into the same source of energy that the E-Cat and other LENR technologies are accessing. The recently published paper by Lundin and Lidgren theorizes that the energy behind the ‘Rossi Effect’ is “is induced by
electromagnetic wave penetration into matter” — and Steorn’s claims about the the source of the energy in Orbo comes from “electromagnetic interactions concerning domain rotation within ferromagnetic materials, specifically the phenomenon of delayed magnetic field propagation” (see here). Of course we won’t know for sure from a webinar if Steorn really has the goods, but if products go on sale soon, we can test it out for ourselves, which is what I hope to do.

Registration for the first webinar is here, but Steorn says the events will be recorded and posted on their Facebook page.

  • PD

    Back in August 2006 Steorn placed a full page advertisement in The Economist. Something in the back of my mind reminds me that the cost was £250,000 (GBP).
    http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/images/steorn_economist_ad.jpg

    Later Steorn had the failed public product demonstration at the Kinetica museum in London. So this story has been around for a good deal of time, and by some extraordinary good fortune and luck for folk at Steorn the company has not gone into liquidation.

    My view is that there will be a substantial product launch over the next few weeks. This will include a USB charger, and also something like an Orbo kettle. (Some months back there was a Facebook profile picture on McCarthy’s Facebook page of what seemed to be a kettle. This has now been removed).

    Another strong possibility is the launch of Hephaheat boilers which will be Orbo powered. There will also probably be a relaunch of the Steorn and Orbo websites which have been offline for several months.

    One final possibility is that this is just another free energy saga that has no substance.

  • https://pissedthefuckoff.wordpress.com/ Mark

    “when they start to claim miracles the alarm bells should be going off.”

    This is exactly how pseudoskeptics train themselves to be – NOT open to the possibility of miracles, which cause alarm bells to go off in the pseudoskeptic’s mind when claimed and make the pseudoskeptic deny on faith that miracles can actually happen, rather than investigating, like a real critical thinker would do.

  • Jarea

    First things, first.
    They have to confirm that their product works and then maybe the battery would be dead.
    Currently, they just sell smoke. Those slogans are only valid for established companies with good roadmaps and a previous history of successful products. That slogan coming from this new company which affirm an incredible breakthrough in physics (free energy) sounds too brave and probably ridiculous for most of the people.
    The use of an aggressive marketing and poor facts is a bad indicator.

  • georgehants

    BillH, O yes but it is used today to describe the old wild west tinkers who traveled around selling bottles of maybe “snake oil”
    Agreed with the problems but surely modern medicine cannot grow back a leg and we do not abandon it.
    The placebo is so powerful that a saline injection used in wars can act as powerfully as morphine.
    There is much other Evidence of it’s tremendous power, but no profit, so as with Cold Fusion capitalism demands it is made a joke and unfortunately so many fall for that cheap psychology as we have seen.
    ——–

    The Power of the Placebo

    Source: Society for Neuroscience
    While treating wounded American soldiers during World War II, Henry
    Beecher ran out of pain-killing morphine. Desperate, he decided to
    continue telling the soldiers that he was giving them morphine, although
    he was actually infusing them with a saline solution. Amazingly, 40
    percent of the soldiers reported that the saline treatment eased their
    pain.
    http://www.brainfacts.org/sensing-thinking-behaving/mood/articles/2012/the-power-of-the-placebo/

  • Sanjeev

    I’d like to engage my critical faculty when the device comes in front of me, and I can see it working or not working myself. If I take a position before that, it will merely be a blind belief or blind denial of the thing.

    • ecatworld

      That’s one good thing in this situation, Sanjeev. It sounds like there will be a product to test in the near future, which will make all the difference.

      Even so, speaking for myself, it’s more than just blind hope that makes me quite optimistic about Steorn. Over the years I have found some interesting indications that the company is doing serious work and has obtained important results. Of course nothing can constitute final proof except a working device.

      • Sanjeev

        I’m very happy that you have your personal little evidences, which makes me hopeful too.

        • ecatworld

          This is just one early example. A video from back in 2007 with Dutch Engineer Thieu Knapen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cRQu7M192g

          • Sanjeev

            A good video and there is no reason to believe that he is lying. But I’d still prefer a more solid evidence than an oral claim.

  • hempenearth

    Yes, they sold gaussmeters.

  • GreenWin

    “The Battery is Dead.” If the product works even once, it will confirm life after death. Amazing.

  • https://pissedthefuckoff.wordpress.com/ Mark

    At the risk of opening a can of worms, here, there has been some talk about how one of the tactics of fraudulent feminist leaders is to try to recast certain female privileges as oppression of females – one of the most obvious being the female use of sex and sexuality to get ahead in the world (much more effectively, on average, than males) while being portrayed, by these feminist leaders, as evidence of “oppression of women.” Well, I think that something similar is happening with these pseudoskeptics. They are trying to redefine concepts like “critical thinking” to mean unquestioned denial of claims that they consider to be “wild” or “extraordinary” – exactly the opposite of what critical thinking is. You can see this kind of an attitude in the comment by BillH.

    • GreenWin

      Remove “thinking” and what remains is a patho-skeptic

  • ecatworld

    They have never yet had any product available for public sale — that’s why the O-Cube would be a step forward if it gets on the market and works.

  • blanco69

    Anything that has ‘everlasting’ or ‘never runs out’ in the title sets my snake oil alarm off bigtime! How do you test this claim? You never can. Willy Wonka.

    • georgehants

      The snake oil myth like most things denied or believed by science is false, the Placebo effect proves that a potion given containing nothing but sweet water to a child etc. can resualt in tremendous healing quality’s.

  • Bob

    Anyone know the relation to this Orbo battery and their Hepa Heat product? I do not follow Steorn as they seemed at best to be more than one of the many over unity crowd that never seems to produce a working unit….. i.e…. “next year with more financing and research”.
    .
    This Orbo seems to be a electrical charging device while the Hepa Heat was touted as some type of water heater. This path follows Black Light Power who has “offered” products in the past that seem to be almost unrelated to each other. Hyping one product which falls off the radar and then some unrelated or vastly different product then takes stage.
    From water heater to never die battery is quite a difference. Are they supposed to be related?
    .
    I do not have much faith in these guys, but I hope they produce something of use. I have nothing invested, so I have nothing to lose!. If they are real, I might benefit from a never die battery!
    .
    Rossi has provided more than most. Either demos or “third party” tests. Still he walks a thin line that separates him from Steorn, BLP and others. eCat to Hot Cat to X-Cat. At least this progression makes some sense. Water heater to never die battery? Not so much.
    .
    I am beginning to think the following may be a likely scenario when it comes to the “new energy” drama…
    One day (probably before Rossi publicly proves his eCat working) a major company will announce the CF break through, have a product release schedule and show incontrovertible evidence of it working. This is due that they have been, like most companies would, working behind the scenes for some time now. Doing their tests, engineering work without fanfare. Gleaning bits of information from the lone ranger experimentalists (like Rossi) that post information to the web. Being a professional company with professional business leaders, scientists and engineers, they will develop and polish the CF unit to a commercial product.
    Their announcement of a CF product will leave the lone individual experimentalist with little future.
    .
    This is just speculation, but a possible scenario. We would most likely not be aware if GE was spearheading a major research project into CF. Siemens was made aware of LENR / CF with a brief relation to Rossi. They may have taken the ball and ran with it. National Instruments may have teamed with Babcock and Wilcox to provide them with an economic future! ????
    .
    Their announcement might come as a surprise and sooner than we might expect!.
    .
    Who knows?

    • ecatworld

      From what I have read, Hephaheat is a heating technology that is spin-off from Orbo. A new company has been formed, separate from Steorn, called Hephaheat Ltd, which shares the same address as Steorn. This Orbo O-Cube seems to be a Steorn product.

      • Bob

        Thanks, however I still am unclear on how the HepaHeat is a spin off from Orbo. To heat water, you need significant amounts of energy. A LOT more than something that charges cell phone batteries.
        .
        Has Steorn made any statements clarifying how the two are related if any?
        If an Orbo powered Hepha Heat device can heat enough water for a single household, it should also produce enough electricity to power a significant amount of household appliances such as several lights or a TV.
        .
        I fail to understand how one jumps from cell phone batteries to hot water heaters if the technology is the same. I believe the market would be much larger for a portable power generator that did not use gasoline or make noise. Millions of campers would snap them up. (If price was similar to a hot water heater).
        .
        BLP was to have a product by Jan. 2015. As with times before, they did not produce anything, not even working beta demos. Will Steorn be any different this time as well? (Although if they were close to my home town, I would go to the local tavern to see their next demo. That really is a valid place to give a product demonstration!) 🙂 I could not pass on the jab…. I could not believe they actually put on a demo at a pub!!!
        .
        Oh well. As I said, no investment, no loss for me. If they have something reasonably priced that is proven to work, I may buy one!

        • ecatworld

          Bob, the best of my understanding is that the Hephaheater tech requires an input of energy, but the Orbo O-Cube does not.

          As far as the spinoff side of things, I don’t know about the technical details, but apparently some of the same principles are at play in both technologies.

        • Agaricus

          ‘Hephaheat’ is not any kind of overunity technology and AFAIK has no connection with ‘orbo’ other than the manufacturer. CEO Sean McCarthy has had some fun implying that this is the case but it isn’t. It is a simple system that uses induction to heat a metal mass on ‘off peak’ electricity and then uses this stored thermal energy to flash-heat water to steam. The steam is mixed into cold water flow to produce warm water on demand. The initial use is in industrial handwash stations,

          • Bob

            Thanks for the clarification. Your recap makes much more sense than my previous mistaken understanding.
            .
            So now we wait until January to see if anything comes to market…
            .
            Seems like we are always waiting until next year on everybody….:(
            … even the Cubs have to wait again until next year!

            • GreenWin

              Tax payers been waiting for unlimited hot fusion energy for 60 years now. $250B and still not ONE Watt useful energy! 🙁

            • Agaricus

              On a whim I tried hephaheat.com and found an ‘under construction’ page, so it seems that this system will probably be marketed separately from Steorn’s ‘Orbo’ stuff. From various bits and pieces on the web it looks like HephaHeat has attracted some development funds from a couple of companies who are in the ‘on demand’ electrical water heater market, and the system could well become Steorn’s financial mainstay.

              http://truthfall.com/steorn-in-e50-million-a-year-hephaheat-bonanza/

  • GordonDocherty

    First, there was the Duracell bunny. Then there was the Energizer Bunny. Will the Steorn bunny be next?

    https://www.budgetbatteries.co.uk/blog/?p=23

  • Gerard McEk

    Well Frank, I hope you buy such a device and that you test it and see if it really performs as they claim. Then put it in a iron box and test it again. If it keeps on performing without any deterioration in performance, then I hope one day you will disassemble it and tell us how it works.

    • Sanjeev

      I recommend standing at least 20 feet away while you let your neighbor disassemble it, there can be a self destruct there. It is steorn after all. 😉

      • Blue Energy

        Not big on your neighbors, Sanjeev?

        • Sanjeev

          What can be a better way to reverse engineer a suspicious device and get rid of any noisy neighbors.

  • SG

    I don’t know whether Steorn have what they claim to have. But here is my perspective having also followed them off and on beginning with the infamous advert that they placed in the Economist in 2007. If it is a scam, then it is by far the most bizarre scam ever attempted. Nearly everything they do does *not* fit into a typical scam scenario. For example, who runs an advert in the Economist inviting a “jury” of scientists from around the world to “verify” their claim, only to seemingly drag their feet afterward.

    After the “jury” returned a negative verdict, Steorn created very well-crafted and polished video highlighting all those who have called them out as frauds, fakes, fairy dust, jury verdict failures, etc. They wore those judgements as *badges of honor* with what can only be described as an absolute certainty that they would be vindicated in the end.

    They then went silent for a few years with some reports indicating that they were required to do so by some large water boiler firms (supposedly the largest two in the world) who were under contract to commercialize a heat generating version of their technology. Sean always maintained that the day would come when they would open up other versions of their technology to the general public. I guess that day has now arrived. From recent statements put in the public domain through certain press outlets, it seems that their investors who have invested to the tune of 20 million Euro are still on board and very supportive.

    The whole affair is very perplexing. There are only two explanations in my mind: they have discovered something remarkable, or they are completely 100% delusional. As with all things, the truth will be set free in due time.

    • ecatworld

      I’ve observed Steorn carefully over the years, and interacted with them a bit, and I haven’t ever gotten the feeling they were scammers. They’ve been very hard to figure out at times, and I am sure they will admit they’ve made a good share of mistakes. They started out pretty brash and cocky, but they were knocked down a few notches when their 2007 demo failed, and the jury decision went against them. But I agree they have consistently exhibited absolute certainty in their technology. I hope we find out soon if that confidence has been justified.

    • Alain Samoun

      “20 million Euro” From investors.
      That’s pretty good for 10 years. OVER 2 MILLION USD PER YEAR! MFMP should advertise in the Economist 😉

      • deleo77

        It is interesting to look at Steorn and justify it as a scam to get investors money. There have been a few scams on Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Typically the scammer creates a video of a product that doesn’t exist, and then never delivers it, because the product remains in a state of perpetual development. The thing about Steorn is they are saying, “our product is ready”. Of course they have said this before, but why do it again now? Why say it will be delivered before the end of the year. It seems like a somewhat poor way to run a scam. Why not just take the money and hide? I don’t have any stronger answers on this, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

    • Blue Energy

      I think it’s true that if you have watched Steorn for awhile, they don’t fit the typical fraud scenario. They have always felt earnest to me at a gut level. But if not fraud, considering their track record, then how can one not conclude that they are more than the usual portion of inept? And brash – since, for the longest time, they seemed to learn nothing about preparing for success from their previous public results and refutations? It is as you say – they just keep showing up again – also equally difficult for me to make sense of. It all just doesn’t fit. And also – somehow they continue to collect private funding in spite of the, more or less, continuous stream of public failure and rebuke. What do the investors think they know that we do not?

      I wonder for how long the O-Cube will be guaranteed to continue to recharge devices? A month? A year? Forever?

      • hempenearth

        At their last public demo they tried to convince the public of their working orbo devices with scope displays and lots of technical explanation of how those devices worked. At these webinars there will be no technical explanation of how the devices work, just what they do. It seems after the PR/Comms (and maybe even commercialisation) strategies of Sean McCarthy failed, Steorn adopted the strategies preferred by Mike Daly. They have learnt from past failures.

        • Blue Energy

          Really, all it ever had to do was operate in public, doing work, for too long to be a fraud. Now they say they will have an application of the solid state version of Orbo for sale soon. I suppose we can all just stop paying attention until and if they actually come through on that and no harm done. Inevitably, someone will buy it if they do. Either there will be the usual huge and gathering disillusionment and complaint – or else the product will be sold retail for more than MSRP on EBay and there will be a waiting list to receive one. Then we’ll know for sure. I’ll be happy either way. Just no middle ground please. No grey. No more excuses.

          • SG

            This. It is the only rational position to take at this point. I’m entirely convinced that the only way to obtain any kind of certain resolution around something of this nature is for it to enter the marketplace in a very public way. Then there will be either a frantic uptake or a clear demonstration of delusion. If they have cracked the “free” energy enigma, it will never take hold no matter how many opinions are expressed–even if the journal Nature itself proclaimed it to have merit. Rossi also understands this concept very well.

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    I think Steorn is pretty much like Solar Hydrogen Trends. I don’t think either company has anything of value despite all the talk.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      Yes.

      the difference with LENR claims like E-cat, Brillouin, is the huge litterature and the long list of experiments done.

      Nothing credible for Steorn.

  • Obvious

    Did they come up with “The battery is dead” slogan?
    It is counter-productive in several ways. Especially for a never die battery….

    • Ophelia Rump

      It is honest in it’s own way.

    • Private Citizen

      “The Battery is dead…”,
      slogan should continue,”Long live Orbo!”

      However, my personal intuition is to give this one an “F” value more cautious than “F9.” If it is another “cocktail” showing of their product, will say there ought to be a much more convincing kind of public demonstration.

      • ecatworld

        From what I have heard, their plan is not to do any public demonstrations as such, rather it is to put the product in the market and have the users share their experiences — which is the purpose of setting up the web presence solely on Facebook.

      • Obvious

        The battery is dead! Long live the, um… never die battery… that, uh… charges something that we are making obsolete…