A New Secret Sauce (Axil Axil)

The following post was submitted by Axil Axil



A novel model for the interpretation of the unidentified infrared (UIR) bands from interstellar space: deexcitation of Rydberg Matter.

I have been looking for ways to optimize production of Rydberg matter whose generation is described by Lief Holmlid in the reference above and except below.

We now report on a model in which all UIR bands are due to electronic deexcitation in the condensed phase named Rydberg Matter. This type of very low density condensed matter is formed by condensation of Rydberg states of almost any type of atom or small molecule, in space mainly hydrogen atoms and molecules. The intial formation of Rydberg states is due to desorption of alkali atoms from surfaces of small particles, especially carbon particles. This desorption can be caused by radiation or moderate heat and gives long lived circular Rydberg states. Rydberg Matter can be produced in macroscopic quantities in the laboratory.

To meet this method of Rydberg matter production using carbon based generation capability as suggested about, I looked for a chemical compound that would be superior to (LAH; Lithium tetrahydridoaluminate) that contained carbon, an alkali metal. and hydrogen. I assumed that replacing aluminum with carbon would make a better catalyst for producing Rydberg matter. My search for a replacement led to two alkkali compounds in the same family as follows:

lithium hydrogen acetylide Li HC2
potassium hydrogen acetylide KHC2


When these acetylides are heated, hydrogen is released, then the alkali metel is released from the carbon as the temperature rises. After the release of hydrogen, potassium/lithium carbide is formed. Potassium carbide was the active LENR material in the DGT reaction. This stuff was used in miners’ lanterns to produce illuminating gas when water was added.

As a disclaimer, I am not a chemist, so I don’t know the toxicity and explosion risks of these compounds. Please help here. IMHO, to test the Rydberg matter cause of LENR, a series of tests using one or both of these acetylide based compounds might be worth a try.


  • Mats002

    If you are right the result would be:

    – More RM should give lower pressure in the vessel, it would look like H is heavily absorbed by Ni (which it do not, but compared to PdD systems this is easy to misunderstand)
    – DGT reported high magnetic fields around their reactor, same effect, possible stronger, is expected
    – If the magnetic field shifts or oscillate it might be possible to generate electricity directly from this setup

    Competent, curious and persistent experimenters needed to prove your sauce successful or not.

  • Ged

    The lithium hydrogenacetylide is surprisingly hard to find, and seems to only come complexed and never pure. The NFPA rating of the lithium acetylide ethylenediamine complexe is 3-0-1-W, so mostly a health hazard (lithium) and water reactive; so gloves and no drinking it. Don’t know how the ethylenediamine would affect things.

    The potassium version is even harder to find, but there is a sodium version.

    Sodium acetylide comes in 12% xylene and has a NFPA of 2-3-3-W (probably due in part to xylene’s flammability and such). So, oddly, due to how lithium acetylide is complexed, it is the least dangerous (just don’t want lithium getting in you too much, hence health hazard)?

    If you can get it, keep away from skin and fire/sparks.

    But yes, very interesting idea to try!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Now yer thinking!

    Two things

    1. adding a lot of carbon in an air atmosphere might result in Carbonyl process in cell – this may not be a bad thing however.

    2. In a NASA presentation from Jan 2012 (Old E-Cat) Rossi was claimed to have said the pressure sweet spot was 24 atm.

    • Ted-X

      So carbonyls which are known to volatizize Nickel (and may precipitate nano-Nickel or some form of Rydberg matter) might be the key – finally that thought grabs some attention here.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It will certainly do a little CVD in the cell.