European Patent Office Approves Patent for Piantelli’s LENR Method

Thanks to Alainco on the LENR-Forum (here) for this interesting news: The European Patent Office has granted a patent on Francesco Piantelli’s “Method and Apparatus for Generating Energy by Nuclear Reactions of Hydrogen Adsobred by Orbital Capture on a Nanocrystalline Structure of a Metal”.

The documentation of this patent, which was granted on July 24, 2015, and published on August 26, 2015 can be found here: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP12728780&lng=en&tab=main

In the claims document (see here), the patent refers to using hydrogen and a transition metal (Piantelli has traditionally used nickel) to obtain energy via nuclear reactions — and in claim 2. it refers to “A method according to claim 1, wherein said secondary material (28) comprises Lithium, in particular said Lithium comprising predetermined fractions of 6Li and 7Li isotopes.”

Nickel, hydrogen and lithium are all essential components of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat, who has a patent approved in the US, and now Piantelli has one in Europe. I am not sure if the methods described in each patent are close enough to be in competition or conflict with one another, but I would expect that there will be close scrutiny on both sides of the Atlantic taking place. I am not familiar with the name of the applicants on the Piantelli document — but one looks to be a family member. Nichenergy, based in Milan, Italy is the company that is set up to commercialize Piantelli’s invention — but it is not named on the patent.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Wonderfully philosophical and true. Thankyou.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I am not sure that any material loss of surface area will occur. We have to bear in ind that nano structures are phenomenally strong and both LiAlH4 and Li are far softer – air will be pushed out yes – that is of little interest.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I was told this is what Rossi does. It is what the Russians do that I visited. Making it into pellets still leaves a LOT of space free. Keeps things homogenous, aids handling, increases safety etc.

  • Bob Greenyer

    haha, I’m not offended and I deeply believe in my insignificance!

    I respect your right to disagree, we’d get no where with a continuous stream of group think.

    Thanks for you too.

  • Harold Blair

    I have always said that Nickle & H & Li were essential elements in LENR- this has always been sort of assumed by experimenters-

  • psi2u2

    Bachole, as usual, your wisdom shines through. I concur in your assessment of McKubre. He strikes me as a very well rounded and likable person, better at the social negotiation than many who are just as smart intellectually.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Oh, trust me – I know I am no body.

    My kids remind me of it.

    I knew it when I helped the Occupy movement in London St. Pauls with their communications and broadcasts, I was made to feel like a worthless idiot by authority.

    I was also reminded of it when I made presentations for amazingly influential people that have made huge fortunes and gained influence by nothing more than moving other peoples money around.

    I’ll die like everyone else and it will matter little.

    Right now, I am just trying to help.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Piantelli had not let his patent run out, it has been awarded.

    People fear the unknown – this will be known in time.

  • Bob Greenyer

    dependent on system and circumstance (hmmm – that sounds like the title of a period drama)

    • psi2u2

      I have been convinced (as someone without the technical training to understand all the details) that what we are looking at is probably an entire class of new reactions, not a single phenomenon. For what it is worth, that might explain the diversity of observational data. Do you agree, Bob?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – it is certainly a very complex system

  • Bob Greenyer

    The Fuel>Ash of all studied Rossi runs and that of Parkhomov, Celani, Mitsubishi, Piantelli, Focardi, Mastromatteo, Mizuno etc etc show transmutations. That is Nuclear, we can avoid talking about it, but we can’t deny the evidence.

    A way to counter the fear of the ‘N’ word is to educate about how it is all around us, in bananas, in the soil (like Kerala) and more specifically and in direct correlation with Ni base LENR, drives the heat that keeps the earth warm inside. It is over us, under us and we eat it. We live in a Nuclear world and we need to be comfortable with that.

    Bashing things to gather at high energies is just nasty and that is the nuclear we should stop.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi has not described where the proton projectiles come from – unless I missed that. It maybe that Piantelli is wrong, but he has shown by peer reviewed paper, cloud chamber and calculation how to create proton projectiles and Unified Gravity Corporations team have since 2006 shown that these create the fusion/fission reaction in Lithium responsible for the bulk of the energy yield in the Rossi reactor.

    Rossi made several key novelties that I have recognised in my points for debate today, but this didn’t all start from nothing.

    Without the protons ejected from clusters of nano-structured transition metal, there is no Lithium reaction – that is unless the bound neutron theory bares out, but Rossi/Cook are not claiming that reaction – and when pushed, Rossi said he sees Helium, which implies the 1H + 7Li > 2 X He.

    In the end it does not matter how this works, just that it does. The truth will out in the fullness of time and no amount of skirting around the facts will change that.

    As Albert Einstein once said “If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the facts”

    eh hem.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The New Fire MK1 – A controllable reaction driven and moderated by heat, pressure, element ratios, phase states and morphology…

    by Bob Greenyer

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/1035061893191176

    • Stephen

      Intersting ideas about the process it looks pausable I think. I like the Piantellis H- ideas and although I’m not yet certain about which of the mechanisms explain LENR I think Proton absorption best explains some of the data and evidence and is most likely occurring somehow.

      Regarding your analysis I wonder if the following is playing a part

      Regarding the ratio of Li to LiAlH4 2/3 in Andrea Rossi’s patent.

      In the patent he also mentions that LiAlH4 breaks down during heating in 3 phases.

      1. 3LiAlH4 -> Li3AlH6 + 2Al + 3H2 which occurs at about 150 deg C
      2. 2Li3AlH6 -> 6LiH + 2Al + 3H2 which occurs at about 200 deg C
      3. 2LiH + 2Al -> 2LiAl + H2 which occurs at about 400 deg C

      And that (3) is reversible at certain higher temperatures and lower pressures e.g. 500 deg C at 0.25 bar.

      I suppose these reactions happen at different temperatures at higher or lower pressures.

      The extra lithium seems to be just enough to mop up the Al releases in phase 1. I wonder if this is a coincidence. Would the Al be preferentially absorbed by the Li rather than the Hydrogen released in the same phase at the initial high pressures at these temperatures. if so perhaps it prevents the Aluminium melting and keeps it in place for later phases in the heat up.

      On a separate point I just read that certain amounts and types of nano nickel particles can prevent the melting of LiAlH4 before H2 Desorbtion occurs:

      https://books.google.nl/books?id=FmH7-Yw7K1sC&pg=PT602&lpg=PT602&dq=li3alh6+and+ni&source=bl&ots=p0gp6S5OZY&sig=uez4esZRPWHKycS8Dh7DX2F53rA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCMQ6AEwA2oVChMI0vyT-9TbxwIVpb1yCh3TlAbT#v=onepage&q=li3alh6%20and%20ni&f=false

      I had a discussion with Ecco on Freethinkers Replication discussion on the LENR Forum and he found this more complete link

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925838810018372

      It seems that milling the fuel with the right amount of nickel also changes the LiAlH4 somehow in particular stops it melting.

      Else where I have read that Iron has been used when milling LiAlH4 with similar results.

      • Bob Greenyer

        As I have said before, if you add more Li – you can get the melting point of LiAl down to 200-300ºC, see the LiAl phase diagram

        http://pruffle.mit.edu/3.00/Lecture_36_web/img7.gif

        • Eyedoc

          Does it seem like the form of the extra Lithium matters ? ( ie wire, foil, powder, granular)

          • Bob Greenyer

            not sure it does – BUT having fluorine stabilised Li powder would allow the whole lot to be pressed into pellets which would then have good macro level homogeneity before the first heat up. Once the Ni is sintered – it stays that shape.

            • Paolo Savaris

              When you say “stabilized lithium fluoride” do you mean exactly?
              Maybe you’re making the assumption that lithium is in pellets or granules and not in the form of dust?
              In your opinion with a melting temperature lower than 200 ° C is actually required lithium powder?

              • Bob Greenyer

                In my opinion – no, except id Rossi Pre-Presses his fuel like the russians showed me and we published. I think it has merits as it will allow the nickel to sinter into a low surface area to volume pellet and having stabilised Lithium powder would facilitate having the Lithium evenly and proportionally distributed with the Al that comes from the LiAlH4 and which takes part in what I consider a key revisable process.

                When you have free Lithium and it melts, it readily flows away from the Nickel if allowed to and wets to any surface (like the inside of the reactor) that is available to it. This would leave a less than optimal Li : Al ratio wetted to the sintered nickel – something that surface tension (and other aspects) appears to hold in place.

                Open replicators have already reported that lithium is difficult to handle and put in to the mix. The stabilised lithium would make doing this simpler and would also allow the Lithium to be legally transported by air..

                From this:

                http://www.fmclithium.com/Portals/FMCLithiumEnergy/Content/Docs/SLMP%20Marketing%20Sheet%20Final.pdf

                “SLMP is safe to handle in a dry room atmosphere. Studies conducted at -40oC
                dew point show less than 1% loss in metallic lithium content after 50 hours.
                This stability results from a precisely controlled passivation layer ranging from
                10- to 200-nanometers. SLMP is not pyrophoric. It can be safely transported
                by air and sea without requiring traditional safety measures.”

            • Stephen

              There is something potentially interesting about Flourine. It’s naturally occurring isotope F19 like Lithium 7 has low level nucleus energy levels. Although a bit aside topic from your discussion here This might be interesting if gamma absorption is important especially for low energy gamma is produced and absorbed. If this plays a part for Lithium 7 it may also play a part for Fluorine. Of course on deeper reflection more factors need to be taken in to account such as probability of encounter, energy state resonance, and conservation of states such as parity and spin in the nucleus etc but if sufficient encounters of diverse or tuned States can be made more probable it may play some part. Note in the Andrea Rossi and Norman Cook paper they mentioned that the Lithium 7 nucleus needed to be already excited to its first energy state above ground state in order to absorb a Proton and split to 2 Helium nuclei. They did not mention how it was energised to this state though so they did not imply it was necessarily energised by gamma. Interestingly for Li7 the first energy state is about 477keV and spin parity of about 1/2 – (and a ground level spin of 3/2 -) which is below 511 keV for positron annihilation. I’m not sure if the remaining 34 keV could be accounted for some how so the gamma is still absorbed or if a spin of 1/2. – make absorption of a proton more likely or if it is just the geometry of the nucleus. Flourine low nucleus energy levels are about 110 keV and 197 keV, much lower than 511 keV so I suppose it will be harder to to see how this can achieve resonance in this case unless thegamma is already down converted somehow or some mechanism allows the remaining energy to be accounted for somehow.

              • Stephen

                Note that like LiH, according to Wikipedia LiF using enriched Li 7 and in particular a variant including a mixture of Beryllium Flouride FLiBe is also used in nuclear reactors as a coolant I understand it is also somehow efficient at abosrbing neutrons.

  • Da Phys

    Piantelli’s theory is by far the most compelling of all theories of LENR. It can explain excess heat in both encapsulated Ni-H-Li systems and Pd-D-Li electrolytic F&P cells. The fact that several of its predictions are backed up by experiments and now protected by a patent put Nichenergy in a leader position in LENR.
    Also, Piantelli’s patents are more detailed than Rossi’s patent, and more importantly were filed before. On the other hand Rossi acquired these last years some knowhow to produce sustainable heat that Nichenergy most probably does not have. Therefore, if Rossi and IH plan to start selling E-Cats from 2016, they should first find a business agreement with Piantelli, the market is large enough for that. Otherwise the risk will be high for them to face lawsuits that will advantage other players and slow down the adoption of LENR worldwide.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is now “unstoppable”

      There was a guy in my home county in the UK, for 30 years he had been inventing and patenting, all the time he was told by his wife to go out and get a proper job. Finally, they divorced she could not take it any longer. Within two years, he was paid something like $80million by a patent litigation company for his patent for rotary control as had been used without compensation in the original iPods. He now runs a seed capital firm that helps inventors patent their ideas. Not sure what his x is up to.

      People will make something – lawyers will argue who should be paid – but be sure that the lawyers will alway be paid.

      Whatever – the train has left the station.

    • oceans

      great Quote from Peter Glucks EgoOut: “People think they’ve always missed an opportunity–the problem is, they haven’t…There’s always another train coming along…there’s always an opportunity in the marketplace, the question is when to get on board with that opportunity.”

      • Bob Greenyer

        Plus – if your fast enough, you might be able to catch it at the next station, and there are always leaves on the line, derailments and fallen trees.

  • Allan Kiik

    Have you noticed this gem:
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=885&cpage=18#comment-1115119

    Hard to ignite and harder to control LENR+ just got a way more useful source, Rossi says he has invented The Throttle for ECatX!

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys,
    This trying to trash Dr. Rossi, want work, we all knew he would start getting this kind of static,

  • http://www.animpossibleinvention.com/ Mats Lewan

    The patent text is quite outspoken on nuclear reactions. I wonder if EPO has taken a more open position with regard to LENR in recent years. At least compared to US Patent Office, but thats an easy target to beat… Note in any case that Piantelli describes the reaction. Rossi doesn’t. But then, on the other hand, Piantelli might be wrong.

    • Mats002

      If the underlying process is SPP:s as Axil advocates…

  • Mats002

    Such as choosing the alias front-zip???

    • Mats002

      Anyway, I agree Focardi is part of this pie. I salute him and his family. He was the interface between the hard headed other ones I guess. The perfect mix but the diplomate never gets the prize, unfortunatly.

  • kenko1

    Anybody care to guess on how long it will take to go from patents to products now that several LENR type patents have been issued? The clock is now ticking….

    • oceans

      Rossi and IH want to go live in the first quarter of 2016

  • Paul

    Perhaps for Rossi Europe is game over now

    • clovis ray

      hi, Paul,
      Why would you say that, pantelli has nothing, if he did he would have already had it out there, nope, when i see a working model that ss, like Dr. Rossi has been showing a working model of for years, no,it just all talk, nothing else,
      The first working model you get will be from leonardo corp, there will be a few that tries to steal his discovery, but i would guess,Dr. Rossi is way smarter than anyone in this field, bar non, sure their will be a few garage mechanic’s that will try,and build , i may try myself, just for fun, once all is known, but you and i will be able to pick one up late next year, maybe a little later, for a song and sing it yourself, first we get a hearer, that is what is most needed, then electricty, and cooling, what a great plan, and one we can see,a world saving product from.

      • Paul

        Hi Clovis, Piantelli had and has self-sustaining Lenr reactors, but most important is that he owns the first patent, prior to Rossi’s. For this reason, Leonardo or IH tried to buy his company, according to my sources. If his patent was not a key patent, why the American would be so interested in it? This second patent for Piantelli closes the circle. His company owns what is most important, the patent and the priority.

        • clovis ray

          Well, i guess a guy, like mr. P, can dream, because i think Dr R will cut him down to size real quick, lol

        • Omega Z

          Paul: I think these early patents are just a basic framework & are not defensible in themselves, i.e., You can’t patent LENR itself. You can’t patent nickel, hydrogen or lithium.

          However, once a basic framework has been laid out, they can ply additional patents covering a specific or unique process. Rossi’s patent doesn’t really cover the fuel, but everything apparatus. i.e., Replicate his device & face patent infringement. Look for additional patents to cover unique processes to make the fuel viable.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I understand also that IH / Rossi are trying to find someway to buy the patent(s). Is simply does not make sense for them to want to do this and to continue to contest Piantelli’s patent applications if there is no point in doing so.

          I would rather that there was a patent sharing agreement. Because everything owned stateside might allow the US to invoke their “strategic” laws that would prevent anyone that trades with the US from using the tech if it was deemed strategically important – and well, I think that the most important invention ever might qualify – so it is of paramount importance that one doesn’t wish for this outcome but rather one that allows faster worldwide adoption of the technology.

          • psi2u2

            “I would rather that there was a patent sharing agreement.”

            Yep.

    • clovis ray

      Congratulation for the goal, a milestone for energy production and the enviroment. I’m following the story from the beginning, the steady progress but also the difficulties.
      Now there is patent protection. Good job.
      I’m asking Andrea Rossi when you feel your device can hit the market in sizes 50 to 100 kW. That size would be useful for heating buildings. Would it be possible in a couple of years?
      Giuseppe Castrogiovanni

      Andrea Rossi

      September 4th, 2015 at 7:50 AM

      Giuseppe Castrogiovanni:
      The modules of the industrial plant in operation in the factory of a Customer are 250 kW modules. From here to modules of 50/100 kW the step is not high indeed.
      The answer is: yes.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • Paul

    Congratulations to Piantelli, because with Focardi is the father of Ni-H reactions. Very sad for Focardi’s family, and especially the daughter who is a physicist, shamefully forgotten by both Rossi and Piantelli. Smart people but not from the human point of view…

    • psi2u2

      Rossi has NOT forgotten Focardi, but has often spoken with great fondness of Focardi’s essential role in the discovery process. Rossi hired Focardi to try to disprove some of is earliest positive results. When he could not, they became close collaborators.

  • Kevmo

    Let the patent wars begin.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Not much above 200C for the Nickel Bake – Significant oxides will form above 250ºC

    Pelletise the fuel like shown in the video here –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10nStfVm8EQ

    this will make it easier to load and increases fuel density whilst avoiding separation when tapping cell. It will allow a much lower area to volume ratio and you can put your dead volume elsewhere in the cell.

  • Daniel Maris

    Excellent news. Very positive.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Gee kind of feels like the snowball is starting to roll down the mountain and bouncing a bit. This all good news!

    Regards
    Albert Kallal
    Edmonton Alberta Canada

  • Bob Greenyer

    Congratulations Francesco – Your intense life sacrifices are being recognised.

    • Fyodor

      Bob,

      Is there information in the patent that goes beyond what you’ve learned from Mr. Piantelli? Is there any progress on replicating his work?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Due to other MFMP engagements – I have not had time to fully read the patent. I will respond on that part of your question when possible.

        I am in regular contact with Francesco – we are at the mercy of his health, energy and other factors. We are doing what can be done.

        We will be looking for Helium in Bob Higgins’ experiment – if it is there, then it supports Piantelli theory over bound Neutron transfer theory (University of Upsalla)

        • Da Phys

          Both reactions lead to He therefore the experiment will not support one theory over another.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not the favoured one of Upsala University

            7Li + xNi > 6Li + (x+1)Ni

            No helium in that one.

  • Mats002

    Piantelli is as I understand the father of the NiH LENR system. He was doing brain cell research on a Ni rod and had problem cooling it and started to dig deeper into why that happened.

    Later he understood that not only Ni can give the anomaly heat effect, all transition metals can. H is always needed.

    Rossi stands on Piantellis shoulders. I tip my Piantelli hat for Rossi, both have done great things for LENR+

    • Omega Z

      All science is built upon the shoulders of predecessors including Pons and Fleischmann. One could easily & rightfully claim that both Rossi & Piantelli were highly influenced by P&F.

      P&F however, were not alone in their endeavors. They made a premature press conference due to a competing development. And this group was most likely influenced by previous groups involved in the U.S. Military research that started in the mid 50’s. This is not a newly discovered phenomenon.

      The mid 50’s U.S. Military research. A period of “MAJOR” electronics integration into all things military. They were having unexplained anomalous heat issues where there should have been none. Reeking havoc with some of their sophisticated technology.

      As a part of their research, they gathered every piece of information they could find. Going back over 100 years ago. Some of those anomalous heat occurrences have been mentioned here at ECW.

      Their research(The cache of papers I found) involved everything we see with LENR. Various metals under various pressures with various gases & various combinations. The 1st reference of “LENR” was published in 1962, tho the term was probably used before then. Note: They were also working at the Nano level since at least the mid 50’s as well.(Used in the development of the SR-71 Blackbird). The Military has been involved with LENR for about 60 years. Even the term LENR- Low energy Nuclear Reaction is not new.

      • bachcole

        Nice. I don’t suppose you could get copies of those papers to us.

        Remember that many working on LENR now may not have had any idea about that work.

        • Omega Z

          I’m sure I bookmarked some of it. If I find it, I’ll try to round some of it up.
          There is a lot behind paywalls which, is kind of useless. I found a cache of papers about some of it trying to get around those paywalls.

          Warning: The reason i say-If I find it- I’m a hoarder on bookmarks. When I click on it I have to scroll, and scroll and within that are many folders. I should really have a searchable data base. Sadly, I have developed a propensity to procrastinate as I get older. Whats up with that. Time is getting short. The last thing I have time for is procrastinating.

          • Ecco

            Have someone set you up a personal TiddlyWiki locally installed on your pc — it’s very useful once you learn how it works: http://tiddlywiki.com/

            I recently started using one myself for all things LENR related.

      • Stephen

        It amazes when i search how much relevant science goes back to the 50s and 60s not just LENR but a lot of what we think of as new physics too. There are tonnes of papers and books out there written at that time that have amazing depth and knowhow.

        Maybe the ability to better understand the ideas and phenomena was limited by the materials and tools available.

        I suppose the big change now is the development of materials and tools along with a better availability of information and informed people in the modern connected world that can bring these ideas into focus.

      • clovis ray

        HI , omega, how come if lenr has been around for 60 years , that would be quite a secret, no one has ever in the history of humanity, has ever built a self sustaining reactor, until Dr. Rossi discovered his. if so show me a link to said lenr or cold fusion reactor.

  • http://www.libertynewspost.com/ Liberty Newspost

    With all of the recent revelations in the patents replications far and wide should be possible now.

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

    It is not so clear, but there is many more claims than 1-2 …
    last document just update 1-2…

    the patent may interest replicators as there is many claims about alloys, alternatives, need of amorphous material, … this patent is rich.

    note that another is under opposition of Rossi, and that Piantelli answered with some measurement results and a long lasting experiment…