MFMP Reports Testing Results on Parkhomov Nickel Powder

Thanks to Bob Greenyer for sharing this news:

The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project has posted on its website and Facebook page about the results of the SEM/EDX analysis of Alexander Parkhomov’s nickel powder that had been sent to Ed Storms at Kiva Labs.

Bob Higgins is quoted:

“I have just received the SEM image and analysis from Ed Storms (Kiva Labs). Alexander’s Ni is a carbonyl Ni very similar to the Hunter AH50. Even though the bottle says 99.9% Ni, that may be a bulk analysis if it is even correct. Ed’s EDX analysis showed the surface to have 83% Ni, 5.2% O, and 6.5% C. The median particle sized looks to be about 8 microns diameter. This should alleviate concerns that Alexander’s Ni powder was somehow “special” because it was ordinary carbonyl Ni powder.”

If Alexander Parkhomov’s replication is valid, it should encouraging to other replicators that they don’t have to depend on a special type of powder only available in Russia in order to have success. Carbonyl nickel may not be the only source of nickel that will work in E-Cat type reactors, but it’s a common type of nickel powder and one that can be experimented with by most replicators.

Thanks to the MFMP for arranging this testing, and to Ed Storms for carrying it out — this is very useful information indeed.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It seems rather unlikely, but at least the nickel/LENR topic would be a good argument for Obama to convince the U.S. Congress.

  • Obvious

    Vale T123 is their equivalent of AH-50 it looks like.
    http://www.vale.com/EN/business/mining/nickel/NickelProducts/T123%20CDN.pdf

  • Bob Greenyer

    I made a questionnaire to gauge interest for Bob Higgins to supply non-loftable powder at a fixed rate because interest was expressed for that to happen. This will involve up to $10 in packaging and shipping just in the US, then his time. They normally sell in 25kg drums! which is completely impractical when 15g is enough to keep someone busy for a long time.

    There is no buy button.

    Interest will be forwarded to Bob.

    The purpose of doing this is to allow coordinated research for minimal cost. The Skeptopaths hate the idea of everyone having a standardised heater that could sustain 1550ºC in air for 6 months, standardised reactors, standardised fuels – it is likely their worst nightmare, because it means they cannot pick each result apart on the basis that a key component was materially different.

    IF there is any balance after treating all researchers to the same fixed price, then it will be to support Bob Higgins research which is first class and open.

  • Svein Arild Utne

    I am still looking for Hunter AH50 like nickel, but when I get it running, I hope to add hydrogen and lithium on the fly. 250g Lithium carbonate powder – Li2CO3 is in the mail. This will boil at 1310 degrees and decompose. So maybe when it is running close to 1 atm pressure, I will let hydrogen flow into the reactor and out the other end taking other gasses with it out, so it will be mostly hydrogen left in the reactor. Then a 1 mm ID steel tube will be open so I can push in Li2CO3 to add more Li. It will be interesting to see if that will be like adding coale to a steem engine?

    • Bob Greenyer

      We are planning to ship 15g vials for a fixed price of $20 anywhere (within reason). Had a conversation with Bob Higgins earlier today – will do a Questionnaire soon.

      • Svein Arild Utne

        I am interested.

        • Bob Greenyer

          UPDATE: 15g vials of AH50 to be made available for $20 including shipping to anywhere (within reason), this has a lower carbon and oxgen content according to the manufacturer (maybe bulk analysis which we are waiting to do) than the surface of Dr. Parkhomov’s, but similar structure. Carbon may then be added, please express your interest here:

          https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PBTGS82

          • TomR

            The form would not accept my contact information.

            • Bob Greenyer

              We have expressions of Interest from 4 researchers so far and I have passed on the details to Bob Higgins who is preparing the vials.

              Please try to make the form work with something, you can verify when Bob H contacts you.

              • Obvious

                Bob, see my reply to Tom above. Maybe the Company line also has this problem? Perhaps there is a setting in the survey specs that needs adjustment.

                • Bob Greenyer

                  Thanks for the tip Obvious,

                  I removed the requirement for “Address line 2” and “Company name”

                  You should be good to go now

                • TomR

                  Thanks Bob, it went right through this time.

            • Obvious

              I had to stick a symbol in the Address 2 spot to get mine to work. I used a minus sign.
              It won’t accept a blank line.

          • Svein Arild Utne

            I hope you will make AH50 available for people in Europe. When I contacted Hunter Chemical I got this replay.

            Dear Svein Utne:

            Thank you for your inquiry into Grade AH50. Unfortunatley, we cannot help in this case. We do not ship Grade AH50 to EU due to REACH and other issues.

            Regards,
            Greg

            Greg Landry
            Director, Business Development

  • Sanjeev

    Ed’s EDX analysis showed the surface to have 83% Ni, 5.2% O, and 6.5% C
    I’m sure the surface and its contaminants will be long gone before the reaction happens. Its more than 1200°C there, nothing will remain except pure Ni.
    A few hours ago an interesting post was made on ecat-thenewfire blog.
    http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/the-man-with-sun-in-a-box/
    He told me that the Hot-Cat running was a sort of “Sun in a box” and that once he had also seen the reactor sublimate!
    Which suggests that even the grain size of Ni is immaterial when the reaction picks up speed, it all melts.
    However, the Ni surface and geometry is probably important while the H-absorption happens. A large surface area and an abundance of H ions is all you need.

    • Bob Greenyer

      If the carbon cycle is a major basis for the heat – it literally is “sun in a box”

      • Sanjeev

        It is ! And Carbonyl Ni is a good choice, if you believe that. I remember, Celani once suggested putting some hydrocarbons in his cell can increase the heat.

      • Axil Axil

        From the Lagano ash assay results, carbon is totally consumed but also aluminum.

        • Bob Greenyer

          On page 45 there is Carbon found in ash samples.

        • Obvious

          On page 44 particle of mostly aluminum. Note that the reactor body is roughly 2/3 aluminum, so we would see right away if it gets consumed….

      • Josh G

        Bob, first off, congratulations on your recent breakthrough on the carbon pathways (and the birth of your daughter).

        I imagine you are familiar with Les Case’s work from late 1990’s early 2000’s. To cut to the chase, he (along with Piantelli) “ushered in the gas-metal mode of CMNS” (according to McKubre in his telling of ICCF-7). Significantly, his reactor worked with *carbon* catalysts: “After similar pre-treatment in hydrogen gas Les introduced deuterium at a pressure of a few atmospheres to a bed of chemical hydrogenation catalyst consisting of “coconut shell charcoal” infiltrated with approximately 0.5% platinum group metals.”
        (From the write-up of ICCF-7 in 1998: http://www.iccf19.com/history3.html)

        So there is a precedent for the importance of carbon in this gas-metal mode CMNS. One of the things that Case said in a recounting of his invention is that the conditions for excess heat were very, very sensitive to the mixture and type of metal and catalyst:
        http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue23/deviceupdate.html

        In the early iterations of his device, he was working with “platinum group metals.” But apparently he started working with nickel powder, as is implied in the following quotation from McKubre in the history of ICCF 10: “Case called up some of us in the field a few weeks before his death claiming to have succeeded in this goal [of thermal self-sustainment] and that “we would all be vindicated.” This was not to be. Worse, speculation exists that Les’ work with nano-nickel to achieve this goal may have contributed to the heart condition that caused his death. We will never know but this is a cautionary tale.”

        Cautionary indeed — please be careful handling the powder!!

        McKubre’s group worked on (and for the most part succeeded) replicating Case’s work. Maybe if you get a chance you can pick his brain at ICCF-19 about the importance of carbon in Case’s device (and more generally)? And also about the later iterations where he worked with nickel?

        I couldn’t find details on the later iterations of Case’s device, though to be honest I didn’t try very hard. There appears to be no record of his talks at ICCF 9 or 10.

        FWIW, here is a link to a couple of articles by Mallove about Case’s early device, along with some analysis of the carbon catalyst:
        http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue23/deviceupdate.html

        And here is a link to a conference presentation by Russ George about duplicating Case’s process.
        http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2007/1999-RussGeorge-APS-Presentation.pdf

        • Bob Greenyer

          Josh G, thank you for your kind words and your sleuthing! I was unaware of this work by Les Case – it could be very important.

          Are the layers of this mystery being pealed away I wonder?

      • Omega Z

        Why do you put your sun in a box.
        I find shackles attached to a ball & chain confines them quite well. 🙂

        • Bob Greenyer

          Are we having fun yet?

    • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

      This “99.999% pure” Chinese nickel powder is low cost. You might get some and analyze that. I don’t know about grain size.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/100g-99-999-Pure-Nickel-Ni-Metal-Flak-Powder-Reagent-ETK-/181695492807

      or

      http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/jcmaterials/product-detailOoSmcPNDGyVj/China-High-Pure-Nickel-99-99-99-999-.html – “Powder Specifications: -1000~ -100 mesh, 1 micron minimum”

      • Svein Arild Utne

        The 99.999% pure is already in the mail, but I think it is not the right type, but I will test it.

  • Svein Arild Utne

    Toxicology and safety considerations

    The hazards of Ni(CO)4 are far greater than that implied
    by its CO content, reflecting the effects of the nickel if released in
    the body. Nickel carbonyl may be fatal if absorbed through the skin or
    more likely, inhaled due to its high volatility. Its LC50 for a 30-minute exposure has been estimated at 3 ppm,
    and the concentration that is immediately fatal to humans would be 30
    ppm. Some subjects exposed to puffs up to 5 ppm described the odour as
    musty or sooty, but because the compound is so exceedingly toxic, its
    smell provides no reliable warning against a potentially fatal exposure.[10]

    The vapours of Ni(CO)4 can autoignite. The vapor decomposes quickly in air, lasting only about a minute.[11]

    Nickel carbonyl poisoning is characterized by a two-stage illness. The first consists of headaches and chest pain lasting a few hours, usually followed by a short remission. The second phase is a chemical pneumonitis
    which starts after typically 16 hours with symptoms of cough,
    breathlessness and extreme fatigue. These reach greatest severity after
    four days, possibly resulting in death from cardiorespiratory or renal failure. Convalescence is often extremely protracted, often complicated by exhaustion, depression and dyspnea on exertion. Permanent respiratory damage is unusual. The carcinogenicity of Ni(CO)4 is a matter of debate.

    • wpj

      Nickel carbonyl is a liquid……. There are probably just traces of carbon monoxide attached to the surface.
      It’s true that Nickel carbonyl is extremely toxic and its main use, the Reppe process, has long since been abandoned.

    • Obvious

      ppm isn’t a dose, it’s a ratio.

      • Mike Henderson

        True, but 3 ppm for a 30 minute exposure is a dose.

        • Obvious

          30 ppm in a thimble full? Or a swimming pool full?

    • Josh G

      Good point. Here is a cautionary note from Michael McKubre about Les Case’s work with carbon and nickel: “speculation exists that Les’ work with nano-nickel to achieve this goal may have contributed to the heart condition that caused his death. We will never know but this is a cautionary tale.”

      This is from McKubre’s history of past ICCF meetings, specifically ICCF 10 (at MIT):
      http://www.iccf19.com/history4.html

      Be careful out there!

  • theBuckWheat

    The question that awaits an answer is when will someone start selling a “kit” of small samples of these candidate chemicals. I don’t want to buy a 25kg pail of Hunter AH50 powder. I guess we all await someone successfully replicating the eCat reaction with a charge made from components that are easily available commercially.

    • Mike Henderson

      Someone **cough quantumheat.org cough** should offer custom formulated glowsticks and glowstick trials. It would allow people like me to evaluate our own theories for optimizing COP in a controlled and safe laboratory with standardized protocols for heating, temperature control, radiation monitoring, and calorimetry. I am sure there are dozens of hobbyists now scurrying to gather the stuff Brian Albiston used. And what will you do with that Variac when you’re done? It makes more sense to buy the service.

  • Svein Arild Utne

    Is there a Hunter AH50 Nickel powder sales person on ebay? I tried to look, but could not find any. China is very good in low cost shiping USA is very expensive.

  • Mats002

    I guess that at the temperatures we talk aboute here, from room temperature up to about 1500 degrees celsius, the holes are filled with EM radiation at different frequencies, orientation and intensity. When all needed parameters are right, LENR will start.
    The problem then will be: At which level of detail should the ‘sponge wholes’ be, and what more characteristics are needed to start those vortexes gears of making higher energy density (amplification)?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    In a typical chemical hydrogenation with nickel (like the hydrogenation of vegetable oil) any traces of oxygen in the reactor that were there initially would be quickly reduced to water. So, any oxygen on the
    surface of the nickel would disappear. It’s just a chemical reaction that removes the surface oxygen and changes it into water.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes

      • Mike Henderson

        Oriani (U of Mn) did a pretty thorough job pulling together what was known about diffusion of H in metals in this ICCF4 paper. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/OrianiRAthephysica.pdf

        Surface topology, defects, and contaminants are apparently important.

        “The rate of impingement of gaseous molecules is well described by the kinetic theory of gases. The fraction of the impinging molecules that stick (the sticking coefficient) is relatively small because the adsorption energy of the molecule is small. The molecule must diffuse along the surface to a position where the dissociative adsorption can proceed. The adsorption of the molecule and its dissociation are strongly impeded by pre-adsorbed species such as oxygen, nitrogen and atomically adsorbed hydrogen. The dissociation of the H2 molecule upon a surface oxide is very difficult, so that virtually only metal atoms at the surface are effective. Finally, the adsorbed atoms must diffuse from the dissociation sites to locations on the surface providing low kinetic barriers for the passage from the surface to the interior of the lattice. Each of these steps is a strong function of the atomic topography of the metal surface, i.e., atomic steps, kinks on the steps, and surface vacancies. Further movement into the lattice proceeds by diffusion, the boundary condition for which is set by the concentration, co of dissolved hydrogen in the first lattice plane below the surface.”

        • Bob Greenyer

          It may be a great paper – but it is in dire need of some graphs to make it accessible!

  • Axil Axil

    Every new element that is added to the fuel changes the behavior of the system. This change involves how and when and what temperature and pressure that nanoparticles are produced. When we add a new element to a system, that system becomes a completely new system and acts completely differently.

    Its like baking a cake. When you add bananas to a plain cake it becomes a banana cake.

    • Mats002

      Yes, at a certain level of abstraction (same as a certain level of detail) I agree. I think it is necessary to look upon a complex system from different views to understand the whole. Example for this cake analogy: At the most abstract level this is a cake. At a lower level of abstraction it is proteins. At next lower level of abstraction it is molecules and so on.
      What exactly differ a normal cake from a banana cake? The simple answer at the highest level of abstraction is ‘banana’. But knowing that molecule receptors in the nose and tounge reacts to give signals to the brain will give another answer at a lower level of abstraction, in this example at the molecule level (its not the banana it is special molecules in banana)..
      With above reasoning in mind: At what level of abstraction is the property of Nickel important for LENR?

  • Omega Z

    “the bottle says 99.9% Ni”

    If you check the nickel grains, you will find they are 99.9% pure.
    It is like burger that is 100% Beef.(In small print plus fillers)

    Shishhh. It’s a good think I am here.
    I has to splain everythin…
    🙂

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yeah. For example, I’m pretty sure that in air, aluminum metal (like aluminum foil) forms aluminum oxide on its surface that has the same coefficient of expansion as aluminum. This keeps the bulk of the aluminum from undergoing further oxidation. So, if you were to do a surface analysis of aluminum foil you would see a lot of oxygen but underneath the surface would be pure aluminum. On the other hand nickel is used to plate other metals. So, it’s not as reactive a metal as aluminum. So, this may not be a good analogy.

    • Obvious

      Metals basis.
      Beef bones, A’s and udders are still beef…
      carbonyl nickel…whatdidjaexpect?

      • Omega Z

        Actually, I was thinking about high protein burger sold to restaurants Etc.
        100% Beef and some soy meal. 10%, 15%, 25% or 30% available.

    • pelgrim108

      If it is only the surface thats involved in LENR than its only important to copy the surface of the Parkhomov micro particles and we now can copy that.

    • theBuckWheat

      Yes. Like buying honey that has the pollen filtered out and is cut with a sweetener. What honey that is present is 100% pure honey.