Rossi Consulting with ‘Mainstream Physicist’ on E-Cat Theory [Update: Will Publish Theoretical Paper]

UPDATE #1 (Mar 31, 2015)

Andrea Rossi has mentioned on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that the theoretical work mentioned below, inspired by the Lugano report, will be published in a paper. Here are his recent comments on the topic.

Andrea Rossi
March 31st, 2015 at 7:34 AM
Mark Saker:
I decided to publish a theoretical paper after a discussion with the scientist I wrote it with, five months ago.
Theory has nothing to do with patents. The theory is based on the results of the Lugano Report, not on the industrial secrets, for obvious reasons.
For the rest, let’s wait for the publication.
Warm Regards,

When asked when the paper would be published, he responded:

Andrea Rossi
March 29th, 2015 at 7:21 PM
I think May, but I am not sure. At the moment it is under peer reviewing.
Warm Regards,

While Andrea Rossi sits in his shipping container listening to his 1 MW plant speaking to him, he’s doing some multitasking — carrying out other important work, he reports. Yesterday he wrote on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Andrea Rossi
March 17th, 2015 at 4:12 PM
I am studying together with a major nuclear physicist the results of the Lugano test. Long Skype conferences, he from his University, me from inside the 1 MW E-Cat.
Warm Regards,

Today I followed up with a question about whether the physicist was taking his work seriously, or if Rossi was trying to convince him of the validity of the E-Cat, and Rossi responded:

Is a mainstream scientist, a University Prof of Physics, with whom I am writing a paper regarding the Lugano results and the possible reconciliations, to which he is interested too. I am learning from him more than he is learning from me, for sure.

It’s interesting to hear about this collaboration with a ‘mainstream’ physicist. It would be very interesting to learn what they are discussing. Rossi has written before about publishing his theory, and we have yet to see anything released to the public by him on that topic, so I wouldn’t assume he is ready to share the paper he talks about here. In the past he has said that he would share his theory when his patent is granted, but having that happen seems in doubt at the moment.

But it does sound like Rossi’s theory of the E-Cat is in an ever-evolving state (he would say epoché) I asked him recently if his theoretical understanding of the E-Cat has changed significantly since the publication of the Lugano report and he replied:

Andrea Rossi
March 14th, 2015 at 3:26 PM
Frank Acland:
Yes. The Professors of the Independent Third Party are scientists from whom there is really to learn and I have taken advantage of this.
Warm Regards,

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rossi will make the mistake of making his paper logical and easy to understand. What he has to do is make it as complicated and convoluted as he can. Throw in a lot of double integrals and Hamiltonians so that people won’t understand a damn thing he’s saying. Then they’ll say “He really understands what’s going on”. It will pass peer review (Then they won’t even have to worry about doing any of the grade school calculations correctly).

    • Alan DeAngelis

      We discussed this before.
      “I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards.”
      — Albert Einstein

      • Alan DeAngelis


        “Strange days have found us

        Strange days have tracked us down ..”

        – Jim Morrison

      • Mats002

        Most of what is discussed here at ECW has alreday been discussed here at ECW, it is a h–l of a library and need a good way to be searched. I tried using the search function on top of ECW page on key words I know have been written in the discuss-frame, but it finds a little simetimes. Not all every time. I am not logged in to discuss, is that needed?

  • Axil Axil

    Any information that Rossi releases can inform a well informed LENR scholar with great deal about the goings on inside Rossi’s reactors. I for one will read this theory document as a reverse engineering opportunity.

  • clovis ray

    This is great, wow, this paper will be an interesting read , for sure. will the effect be explained?

  • Curbina

    Indeed is good news if he gets it published.

  • bachcole

    This is very encouraging.

  • What about Josephson who talk on his blog recently.

    • Omega Z

      As to Brian Josephson

      >Is a Welsh theoretical physicist and professor emeritus of physics at the University of Cambridge.
      >Josephson was 22 years old when he did the work on quantum tunneling that won him the Nobel Prize.
      >research assistant professor at the University of Illinois.
      >member of the Theory of Condensed Matter group
      >held visiting professorships at University of Missouri-Rolla in 1987 among others.

      As with many Nobel Prize winners, he has some additional unconventional interests… Maybe this is a prerequisite for discovering new things. An Open mind.

    • Valeriy Tarasov

      I was thinking about the same person, just a guess.

    • Josh G

      What about Yogendra Srivastava? I just watched the talk he gave on LENR at CERN in 2012, which was on the new website of his joint venture with Widom, CNP, which you linked to. I wonder if the Lugano-based lab where the e-cat test was done has any connection to this new company, which is ‘coincidentally’ based in Lugano?

      His CERN talk shows him to be a high-caliber theoretical physicist, and his CV indicates that he has wide-ranging interests and a strong record of publications. He has a curious and open mind and, in keeping with Rossi/Focardi, is not looking to up-end the established laws of physics. At the very least he sure seems to know what he’s talking about:

      edit: on the youtube page for the talk, there is a link to coverage of the talk on new energy times, where the slides of the presentation are available:

      • I don’t think so, it would be a surprise.
        Yogi is committed in making LENRG scientific program go forward, and currently the challenge is on definitive experimental evidence to unlock government support and funding. G-Day will sure cover that subject.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Notice that although Yogendra Srivastava talks about F&P, he only talked about a proton going to a neutron. He doesn’t mention a deuteron going to two neutrons. I think he saw the comment I made at E-Catsite in 2011 where I mentioned that

        d + e > 2 n takes 3.01 MeV!
        We talked about this before.

  • Gerrit

    So Rossi will publish on his own blog and the peer review will be done by prof George Kelly from University of New Hampshire?

    Just curious if this is something to be excited about.

    • pg

      I was wondering the same

  • Ted-X

    Patents DO NOT NEED a theory.

    • yes, best way to make a bad patent.

      however theory is useful for optimisation and safety

  • Agaricus

    Open-mindedness seems to be a rarity, particularly at the upper echelons of the physics establishment. One very notable exception might be Professor Brian Josephson? I would like to think so – he is something of a hero of mine, for his willingness to look at any rational theory of reality – no matter how at odds it is with conventional ‘wisdom’.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Given that I’m gullible enough to believe Dr Mills is credible when him and his verifiers suggest the Hydrino Theory has been proven and even supported by cosmology.

    THEN – Wouldn’t it be prudent to at least look to see if Rossi is not inadvertantly harnessing the same effect to some degree. Perhaps one that could be amplified once fully understood.

    • LCD

      It’s quite possible mills, godes, p&f, and Rossi are all working with different aspects of the same fundamental phenomenon. So absolutely yes.

    • georgehants

      “It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view.”

      George Eliot,

    • tlp

      Jones Beene@vortex has been on and off whether Mills hydrinos exist or not, but he believes in something like hydrinos. In this message he point out that Iwamura found also “hydrino” signature soft X-rays in his cold fusion experiments already 1996:

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Ty for the link. Fun topic.

  • Axil Axil

    Regarding how protons become neutrons:
    Casimir forces in a Plasma: Possible Connections to Yukawa Potentials

    In LENR, when the repulsion between two protons goes away and these two protons get very close together, the Casmir force will produce all the mesons and electrons needed to turn the two protons into a proton and a neutron pair when these mesons and electrons are condensed out of the vacuum.

    The Casmir force is what keeps neutrons from decaying when the neutron is paired with a proton. When protons are crowded together inside the nucleus, some protons will become neutrons under the influence of virtual particles made real through the Casmir force.

    • GreenWin

      Excellent paper. More confirmation of the role the Casimir-Lifshitz force plays in plasmas. Thanks for posting Axil.

  • georgehants

    The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.

  • Ted-X

    My bet is that the LENR process is based on an exchange of neutrons (and perhaps protons or even proton for neutron) between the metastable nuclei of the participating elements. The metastable nuclei have their neutrons or protons more accessible for an exchange, as they are located in SHELLS, external to the nucleus. The energy difference between the ground state and the metastable state of a nuclei is on the order of deep-UV or soft-gamma rays.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      What’s the role of hydrogen?

      • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

        well multiple peer-reviewed studies have shown that helium is the result of many LENR experiments. Whether this Helium product is created from hydrogen in an interaction which produces excess Neutrons that affect the nickel nucleus, or the helium atoms are themselves produced via neutron exchange in some other novel reaction, it is not clear.
        in any case, the product of helium needs to be looked for in the gasses from an ECAT reactor after it has run for a while.

  • bachcole

    I am not surprised that we don’t know the name of this nuclear physicist.

    Understand that we all do it. I do it. You do it. Nothing is going to change until we own our own actions. We all put down those that we disagree with. The more that we disagree with them, the harsher we put them down. Some people do this less than other people. Some nationalities do this more than other nationalities. We just can’t stand it when someone disagrees with us. We need to grow up.

    This is why we don’t know the name of this physicist. Fear and anger are two sides of the same coin. I don’t blame him for hiding his identity.

    • georgehants

      Roger, would you agree that this scientist is not much worried what the average Joe thinks, but the repercussions he may receive from the scientific establishment and scientists?

      • Gerard McEk

        Exception may be that he is retired and doesn’t give a damn what other scientists think, like we have seen so often.

        • georgehants

          Gerard, so agree and Pekka has attempted to discredit Goswami on a previous page, I replied that just like the other honest scientists that do not give a damn through age or prizes etc. he will be accused of having the Nobel disease.