Rossi Responds to Publication of Inspection Report

Here’s a link to a document published on a website of Gary Wright which is apparently written by two physicists from the Radiation Protection Section of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services, who responded to a report that Andrea Rossi, working for Industrial Heat, LLC, might be working with radioactive materials.

I contacted Andrea Rossi for comment and he wrote:

Dear Frank: I read this usual journalistic fraud of these zombies. They have a long story of journalistic frauds: remember when they published that the safety certification made on the 1 MW plant by SGS was fake, and I had to publish the certificate? Remember when they published a fake Data Base of the Italian Patent Office, where there had been falsificated the data regarding the name of the inventor, saying I was not the inventor, but there was the name of a non existing guy? Now this: obviously the statements introjected in JT Vaughn, vice president of Industrial Heat, are totally false, never said to any “investigator”, totally groundless, and I confirm, under my word of honour, that our relationship with Industrial Heat has never been better than now. Our Team, which is made by the men of Industrial Heat under my direction as the chief scientist, is making a wonderful work, that has lead to a magnificent plant. Obviously, R&D is on course, and we cannot consider to have reached consolidated results until at least 1 year of operation will have confirmed the reliability of the performance of the plant and we all know that the results could be positive, as well as negative, as I always said.
We are working together on this with a very hard work, I am working on this 16 hours per day and my team is working hard, even during holidays. With the help of God I think we will reach our goal.
Warmest Regards,
Andrea Rossi

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo
    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      oops bachhole got it before. congratulation and sorry.

  • Fortyniner

    Not that it matters one iota what I think, but it seems to me that the Triangle Drive premises was probably serving the purpose it was acquired for by some very farsighted people. Unless JTV was asked the direct question, ‘does IH use any other properties in Raleigh?’ then he was under no obligation to disclose this information.

  • protn7

    Invention stories.com published an interview that Robert Bear did with Neil Farbstein
    that discusses my chemonuclear fusion reactor. Its the lead story.

    http://inventionstories.com/

  • US_Citizen71

    If your device does not use any radioactive materials, produce them or anything other thermal radiation you don’t have to misdirect them just tell them the truth.

    Not aimed at you, but you can tell that a skeptic is employed in the hot fusion research scam by their insistence that radiation must be involved in Rossi invention.

  • US_Citizen71

    You never know he might sponsor a peewee soccer team in Research Triangle Park in NC. That would count as his team wouldn’t it? ; )

  • Obvious

    What surprises me most is how fast this got sorted out. Usually when Rossi is involved there is a seemingly never-ending series of half verifications and partial answers with enough slack between the facts to support nearly any theory about what is actually going on.
    I guess the purpose of, or reason for, IH’s empty warehouse qualifies my first sentence.

    • GreenWin

      The “real” E-Cat burn-in tests are happening at an undisclosed location in the SW desert — aka “Warehouse 13.” Just ask Arnie.

      • US_Citizen71

        Actually the would be the northern midwest! ; )

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      maybe because it is Industrial heat who managed the story.
      E-cat is no more the owner of e-cat… he is an employee (with shares probably).

  • http://www.facebook.com/ian.walker.7140 Ian Walker

    Hi all

    Why was your daughter North Carolina DHHS files?

    Kind Regards walker

  • ecatworld
  • Daniel Maris

    Quite. It’s probably an offence under some interpretation.

  • deleo77

    That’s why I don’t think any serious development of the e-cat is going on in NC. Vaughn wouldn’t lie to a state inspector like that and hide another facility in NC where the real work was being done. These inspectors are trying to determine if there is radiation being emitted. If they found out that Vaughn lied to them and there really was another secret facility in NC, both he and IH would be in serious trouble for doing that.

    As to the CFO of Cherokee not knowing who Rossi is, how can that be anything but a lie? Cherokee had to conduct a lengthy financial negotiation with Rossi to set up IH. Of course the CFO knows who Rossi is. But perhaps there isn’t much consequence to a lie like that, so he had no problem telling it.

    Do the NC investigators call their colleagues in FL to ask them to continue the investigation, or do they just drop the whole thing?

  • bachcole

    Well, bachcole gets a scoop. Below is an email that I just received:

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Roger,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Anything stated within the report findings was in context
    to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    [email protected]

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    So, the report is real.

    • psi2u2

      Not quite….;)

      • bachcole

        Yeah, it looks like I am third or fourth to the party, but, hey, after first, who cares. (:-<)

        • psi2u2

          So the document is apparently legit. Where does that leave us?

          • Obvious

            With yet one more Rossi enigma.

          • JedRothwell

            The document shows that when someone reports a private company is developing a nuclear reactor in North Carolina, the appropriate authorities look into that to find out whether there is any risk to the public. They went to the site with radiation meters and determined there is no risk. That is what they are supposed to do.

            The report also includes a statement irrelevant to safety by a company officer, which was taken out of context and paraphrased. That statement should not have been included in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

            As to whether there is a deeper meaning to that statement, or what the context was, the only way to establish that would be to ask Vaughn. On the face of it, he was simply telling the truth, that Rossi has no scientific credibility. I suppose Vaughn and inspector were chatting about the project and that subject came up. As I said below, if anyone asked me, I would certainly say Rossi has no credibility with the scientific community. I think Rossi himself would agree. I do not think he cares about that.

            • Timar

              Yet there are some more weird things stated in the report. Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Chorokee CFO – to play concierge in an vacant building? Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?

              • JedRothwell

                “Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Chorokee CFO – to play concierge in an vacant building?”

                Presumably because he has the key. When a state inspector calls someone has to let them in. IH is a small company.

                “Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?”

                Presumably because he does not know about Rossi. I know something about Rossi, but if a state Health and Safety Inspector were to ask me whether there might be radioactive waste in Rossi’s lab, I would say “I don’t know.”

                You are making a mountain out of a molehill. A state agency got a report that there might be a radioactive hazard. They investigated. They found nothing. The report included one sentence which taken out of context is puzzling but has nothing to do with the investigation and should not have been included. But that is a trivial issue.

                • Timar

                  Maybe you are right, but it is a strange molehill still.

                  You wrote that IH is a small company. Giving the exiting potential of Rossis technology for IH and the world at large, do you really think that the CFO(?) does not know about Rossi and IH’s investment in his technology, even if we assume that their recent statement gives an accurate impression about the breadth of their portfolio?

                  The report says that “he stated that he was unaware of Mr. Rossi” – of Mr. Rossi, not about Mr. Rossi. I’m not a native speaker, but to me “unaware of a person” means that one does not know anything about the person, not that one does not know what the person is doing.

                  Moreover, Mr. Vogelman is primarily the CFO of Cherokee, which is a billion dollar investment fund. It seems just a bit odd that Mr. Vaughn would send such an important executive if the matter didn’t contain significant weight to IH. For me the obvious interpretation is that Vaughn and Vogelman served the inspectors a red herring.

                • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

                  note that the CFO of a young company with a team of few dozens of engineers may be considered as an accountant.

                  CFO for 50 employees, and CFO for Airbus Group is not the same reality.

                  same for CTO, which have nothing to compare from a startup and a fortune 100 company (eg: the CTO of Airbus is the CEO of Airbus Innovation, and also CIO, chief innovation officer).
                  The CFO of Airbus is probably less important than the CTO.
                  That is the opposite in Goldman Sachs I imagine.

                • Bob

                  The building inspection report was interesting. The fact that the building reportedly had absolutely nothing in it tends to support the view that the ‘plant’ being tested in the factory of the ‘customer’ is the same plant which was shown in earlier pictures.
                  If it had undergone a complete redesign or upgrade you would expect there would at least be some benches and equipment and leftover parts there, or even the complete original plant if a new one was made and delivered.

            • psi2u2

              Very nice answer.

          • Daniel Maris

            We either have a company director who doesn’t do his job or we have a radiation bureau that don’t do their job…or someone is lying or has made a mistake.

            • psi2u2

              Good summary.

          • GreenWin

            I dunno. Maybe we got more evidence that the LENR enterprise is a black R&D compartment of the USA and allies. That would mean that you and I are sequestered in that compartment. Imagine!

    • Daniel Maris

      Well done Roger!

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      by the way how to interpret his notice that the allegation number is wrong ?

      is it a fake or not a fake ? or just a draft?

  • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

    Just got this in

    Mr. Simon,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    [email protected]

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    • Daniel Maris

      The fact they can’t get the date right is not confidence-inducing. Of course we’ve all made that mistake but this is a rather special line of work and the dating system for complaints is crucial.

  • US_Citizen71

    Maybe the answer is as simple as the E-Cat(product name for the low temperature model) is manufactured in Florida. The HotCat(product name for the high temperature model) has R&D/manufacturing in Raleigh but the inspector didn’t ask about the HotCat so Vaugh wasn’t forced to volunteer information about it. Answered a direct question with a direct answer, no more no less. The paraphrasing could be that Vaughn said “Rossi isn’t credible in saying that E-Cat manufacturing is in Raleigh”. Second hand paraphrased comments of a third party are only allowed and hold power in the court of public opinion and not in any legal court for a reason.

    • Blazespin

      Yeah, that’s true, Rossi could be misdirecting people so they don’t hassle him in Florida and Vaughn is just explaining that to the rep.

  • JDM

    Perhaps JTV was referring to the credibility of Rossi statements on JONP regarding things “nuclear”?

  • JedRothwell

    Someone here quoted me from Vortex: “I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi?”

    Upon reflection, I suppose it is more like likely Vaughn was simply stating a fact. It is true that Rossi does not appear credible. Suppose an inspector from North Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: “regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream?” I would say “no, he doesn’t.” He has not published anything and he says controversial things.

    If Vaughn said something like that, I don’t see how anyone can criticize it.

    I think the Department of Health was wise to investigate this. If I were an official who heard about something like this, I would think it might be some amateur or a retired scientist playing games with radioisotopes. I think it is appropriate to send someone around with a Geiger counter.

    Perhaps it could have been settled with phone call.

    • JedRothwell

      I am suggesting that Vaughn may have said something like: “He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true.” When you take the first part of out context, it sounds bad.

      I think this is a tempest in a teapot.

    • bachcole

      If Vaughn is perfectly content with officials or anyone else NOT sniffing about, he might have said “Rossi does not have credibility in the scientific community.” And fail to mention the part about Rossi having huge credibility with Vaughn/Darden/I.H. Being hardcore about honesty myself, I can see Vaughn doing exactly that.

      • JedRothwell

        I do not follow what you mean about sniffing about. A state official asked to have a look around, and Vaughn let him look — as he should, of course. That’s all there is to it. Content or not content, when a safety inspector comes you should let him do his job.

        How do you know Vaughn “failed to mention” something? You did not hear the whole conversation. It seems likely Vaughn’s statement was taken out of context as well as “paraphrased.” In any case, this was an inspector looking for dangerous radioactive materials. Rossi’s credibility has nothing to do with his job. Technically, he should not have included that statement in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

    • Daniel Maris

      Well yes, that is one explanation. There could be many explanations of how we got to that alleged paraphrase.

  • ecatworld

    Posted by Mats Lewan on vortex-l:

    Mr. Lewan,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.

    We have no further information to share about the alleger.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation
    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
    Phone: 919-814-2303
    [email protected]
    http://www.ncradiation.net
    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    • GreenWin

      “Left out additional descriptive language…” Does this mean the report we have is incorrect? The “statement of credibility” — makes absolutely no sense. Still, North Carolina will sleep better tonight knowing Dr. Rossi’s E-Cat is in good health.

      • Fortyniner

        I’ve just received an identical reply. I’m not convinced that Mr Crowley actually compared the copy and original word for word though. The anomalies still stand, but I’m not sure what else can be done.

        • Sanjeev

          But he mentions the word “credibility”, which means he is aware of the main issue and he did not deny using that word in the letter.

          • Fortyniner

            Yes, that is a bit awkward (sorry, I edited my post from the original to address this issue).

            • Sanjeev

              No problem. I read your edited post now.
              The question is, why is there a need to avoid the radiation inspector ? Ecat produces no radiation, nothing to hide here. He could have invited the officer to their factory to check it out and meet Rossi too. Instead he was “descriptive”. Big question.

    • Sanjeev

      That puts a big question mark on the IH-Rossi relations.
      Normally the gov officers do not lie in writing. (They lie orally all the time, because there are not many consequences, its called diplomacy).

      • ecatworld

        My best information leads me to believe that the IH Rossi relationship is strong. Rossi himself said above on ‘his word of honour’ that relations with Industrial Heat has never been better.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          IMO, it’s up to IH to prove that, not Rossi

    • deleo77

      I see one of two scenarios at this point:

      1. The IH guys knew this was a Wright/Krivit witch hunt so they said what they needed to say to get the investigators to go alway and stop with the inquiry. Even with this, I would guess that Rossi and the development of the e-cat is in Florida, and there isn’t any R&D going on in NC. So Rossi is living in his Miami condo and has a small IH team working on the e-cat near there. But Darden and Vaughn are still on board.

      2. Sometime throughout November or December Darden and Vaughn became convinced that there was nothing to the e-cat. They saw errors in the Lugano report and scientific advisers close to them were telling them that the e-cat simply didn’t work as believed. They shutdown the R&D in NC and let everyone go, and Rossi went back to Miami. Darden is quietly returning the money to the investors or diverting it into other investments and that is why the NC building is empty with nothing taking place there.
      Darden and Vaughn are distancing themselves from Rossi and the whole endeavor.

      Arguments could be made for either of these two scenarios. Without more information it is impossible to know the answer.

      • Fortyniner

        Option 2 seems unlikely, at least if we are assuming that 6025 Triangle Drive was the research base. As soon as that address became known some months ago, a number of commenters here used Google Street Map to view the property, and was obviously just a small storage and loading facility, apparently empty and abandoned, with no company identification visible, as described in the report.

      • ecatworld

        A couple of comments from Rossi when asked about where he works mainly:

        Andrea Rossi

        October 1st, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        Andre Blum:
        I am always in the USA, mainly in North Carolina and in Florida, focused on my work for Industrial Heat and IH’s Customer.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        DTravchenko
        July 6th, 2014 at 8:41 PM
        Dear Andrea Rossi,
        Where are you exactly in this moment, if I can ask?
        D.T.

        Andrea Rossi

        July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM

        DTravchenko:
        Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their R&D centers.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        • Sanjeev

          If the IH factory is at Research triangle, what is being manufacured in Florida ?

          • ecatworld

            It’s not clear. Rossi’s home is in Florida, and he was making E-Cats there at one point. He has never said where the customer’s factory is, either.

            • Daniel Maris

              Quite. And the “IH Factory” does not appear to correspond to what AR has told us about the IMW plant – which sounds like a commercial operator.

      • Daniel Maris

        You haven’t been paying attention. There is supposed to be a 1MW E Cat running at a pilot plant at a commercial operator’s premises. It seems incredible that Vaughn would be so neglectful of his duty as not to know the whereabouts of this plant. Why is there no mention of it in the report? Incredible!

  • US_Citizen71

    Being a photographer I am very comfortable in Photoshop and like to bring images and PDFs there for analysis. To my dismay when the linked PDF is downloaded a password is required in order to open it in Photoshop odd but not completely damning. So I used the built in PDF viewer in Chrome to zoom in on the document. I quickly found four things that lead me to believe this is a cut and paste fake.

    1. More than one font is used in the same sentence.

    2. A floating piece of a letter below a line.

    3. A floating period above a line.

    4. Remnants of another signature where the supposed digitally signed signature of Randy Crowe sits.

    View for yourself: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

    • Timar

      Brilliant analysis.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      link doesn’t work for me. but thanks… GW is a turd.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ian.walker.7140 Ian Walker

      Hi all

      To US_Citizen71

      Excellent work 🙂

      Kind Regards walker

    • Fortyniner

      Thanks. Your observations seem to be pretty damning, especially when added to the lack of initial indent, differing line spacing, typo (‘able’ for ‘available’) and missing terminal period that I noted earlier in the ‘credible’ paragraph. I would just point out though that the differing font used for the address could have arisen ‘legitimately’ if formatting was carried over during a cut and paste operation while composing the original document.

      Taken together though it is almost certain that this document was generated by Wright. It will be interesting to see whether the NC Dept of Health & Human Services takes exception to this apparently fraudulent use of their identity.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Sorry for being not completely convinced, US_C. I would rather think that the displaced objects are artefacts from the scanner software. A different font can easily result from copying and pasting formatted text. I’m not sure about the additional signature, but it seems possible that the whole block has been inserted as a scanned image.