Hindu Newspaper Pushes LENR as the ‘Other Nuclear’

Following yesterday’s release of the special section on LENR in the Indian science journal Current Science is an article by M. Ramesh in the Hindu, India’s second largest English language newspaper titled “Do not forget the ‘other’ nuclear”. The author is up to speed on all the latest developments in the field, including the Lugano E-Cat report, Alexander Parkhomov’s replication of the Hot Cat, and the Current Science special report.

Some excerpts:

“Regardless of the name or description, the E-Cat devices have comprehensively proven to be energy sources and have attracted more open scientific inquiry.

“A group of scientists performed “independent third party tests” on the E-CAT in February-March 2014 at Lugano, Switzerland and the results were announced in October. Terming the reactor as “remarkable” the report (available in public domain) notes that the results showed “heat production beyond chemical burning” and concludes that there has been nuclear transmutation in the fuel

[. . .]

“Another instance doing the round is a more recent experiment conducted by a Russian scientist called Alexander Parkhimov, who also felt that E-CAT produces energy.

“Next month’s edition of Current Science magazine of the Indian Academy of Sciences will feature low energy nuclear reactions on its cover, a sign of grudging acceptance by the scientific community.”

The author notes that US President Obama’s visit to India this week is taking place against the backdrop of difficult negotiations surrounding nuclear power. The United States wants to be able to track the movement of nuclear materials in India, while India finds this policy intrusive. Also, India has legislation on the books holding suppliers of nuclear materials liable for accidents that take place in Indian nuclear plants.

The article notes that Indian nuclear physicist Dr Mahadeva Srinivasan is a major force behind pushing the Indian government to adopt LENR as the ‘other nuclear’; Dr Srinvasan is convinced that LENR holds the key to India’s energy future, and expects that by 2020 E-Cat reactors in the hundreds will be supplying India with cheap, decentralized power.

  • Alberonn

    I roughly agree with your analysis, but IMO you’re making one BIG miscalulation and that is the role of China : like you said yourself : communication/info-exchange problems. I think they’ll be the “dog that runs off with the bone”… Using populationsize as a parameter is usefull, but only if it is enhancing the IMO prime parameter : the NEED for LENR. Adding a non-democratic commandbased society-structure tot avoid nitty-gritty details like safety-regulations/vested interests in fossil, you’ve got a candidate for the jackpot 🙂

  • Alberonn

    Absolutely intriging ! A lot of us – especially the theorists/technicians – would like to hear more about this stuff i think ! Why don’t they come a bit more out of the shadows ?

    • suhas R

      The very reason to remain in shadows isLENR.I believe our theory and design and fuel material processing are all differing .During my recent visit for for patent the patent attornies adviced that patents may not be considered hence better to hold on some more time.so we are concentrating on product

  • Sanjeev

    Thank you Suhas R for your reply. I will cc the comment below on your email too.
    You will find the same scene in all countries. It will be very difficult to convince academic scientists, media or politicians. They anyway are of no value if you want to go commercial.
    Your best option will be to get at least 2-3 strong manufacturing partners and have legal agreements with them on your terms (hire a good lawyer). In India patents will not protect you much unless you are very rich to fight the IP thieves. The manufacturers will do all the govt clearance work, set up a factory, sales and marketing etc. They will also get investors and help in R&D.
    The obvious tradeoff here is that your partners will demand a major share of profits. But without powerful people you will find it difficult to commercialize your tech.
    Since you are posting here, I assume that you have something like LENR, but even if its more conventional stuff, the above is still the best way in my humble opinion.

  • Omega Z

    You know, There is a lot of grumbling here at ECW that the U.S. is not paying that much attention to, or taking seriously enough the LENR development.

    However, If one made a list of what is taking place in the U.S., It is quite large. Missouri U., George Miley @ U of I, Texas Tech, Demo’s at MIT, SRI, ICCF, National Instruments conference & most of the alphabet agencies or departments there of & certain U.S. Labs. Not to mention IH/Rossi in N.C. interview. It is a lot. Likely as much as all the rest outside the U.S.

    I believe the grumbling is because no Major politician(or any politicians for that matter) nor CEO’s of GE/Siemens or such have made any public acknowledgement of LENR.

    I don’t think there is much chance of this happening until the Pilot plant is consolidated positive. Even then, It may very well be dependent on whether that Client comes forward or not.

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, Hindi and a few more, but most of the info in India is found in English, like news and journals. There is not much going on actually. There are no companies for lenr, no R&D, nothing in public.
    My source of information is Internet, like most of us. I do not know anyone personally in LENR field. Anyhow I try to find as much info as I can.

  • Sanjeev

    Indian government eyes renewable energy world record
    http://futureentech.blogspot.in/2015/01/indian-government-eyes-renewable-energy.html

    Golden opportunity for LENR players. They will probably face no obstructions and will get into the biggest market in the world in no time.

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    Excellent to see India taking towns in the grueling LENR credibility land war. But I still think the real action is happening in the USA, China, Italy and Sweden.

  • builditnow

    What is to stop India from leading the world into LENR / Cold Fusion?
    In the US, there are many against LENR, the oil interests, the nuclear interests, the hot fusion researchers and more. These people are in the positions of power in the US.

    In India, who is against LENR?
    It also appears that the Hot Cat could be easy to duplicate and India has researchers familiar with nuclear physics along with inexpensive production, so, it seems India could be set to take the lead in the world of LENR.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      What’s to stop… if there is an answer, it must be stupidity, the thing that gods are fighting in vain, even hindu I suppose.

    • Sanjeev

      The LENR R&D at BARC was given up early. Srinivasan had mentioned “peer pressure” as the cause. I guess, what really stopped them was the milliwatts of excess power that was coming from very very costly stuff – palladium and heavy water, and that too unreliably. It was not simply worth, I do not blame them.

      But it was before Rossi, things have changed now. We have dirt cheap fuel and a reactor that can be made in a garage that can output KWs at least. Thanks to Rossi, Pinatelli and Focardi. Not only India, any country not rich in oil and gas should be after this now.

      Srinivasan predicts (in above article), that there will be mass production of LENR reactors in India by 2020. I hope this will start sooner. The publication of special issue of Current Science is an indication that things are set in motion in India.

      • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

        I feel that counties rich in oil and gas should ALSO be after this.

        • Omega Z

          I Agree, Because by the time the transition is made the Counties rich in oil and gas wont be. What is available at that time will be to expensive for economies to continue.

          At present, the U.S. is the largest producer, but still imports about 50% of it’s oil. By 2018/2012, it is predicted that the U.S. will be self sufficient & be exporting, but by 2025 will once again begin to import oil. The Saudi’s have already said that within 20 years, They will cease exports retaining what they have left for their own economy.

          Some point out the U.S. has enough natural gas reserves to provide for all it’s energy needs for over a 1000 years. What they don’t say is that comes from off shore natural gas hydrates & at a very steep price.

          The World wont run out of Oil & Gas. It will just become uneconomical for maintaining economies.

    • GreenWin

      There are shrinking impediments in India – mostly the hot fusion people who are caught in the draft of the Princeton PPPL debacle. However, India admits any hot fusion reactor is not expected before the second half of this century – an admission that after a full century of BILLION$$ invested – hot fusion has yet to produce ONE WATT of useful energy. http://www.ias.ac.in/sadhana/Pdf2013Oct/5.pdf

  • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

    Can only imagine what Ernie Moniz (who was pointed out in Obama’s State of the Union address) tells Obama about LENR.

    • GreenWin

      “Well, see Mr. President, yes it’s real… But our constituents in the warbucks industry feel that fossil/fission energy is better for the bottom line. Thanks for appointing me.” 🙂

      • Mats002

        How far we have come! This irony show that LENR believers have the upper hand now. Beware out there you old fashioned rearview physcisists! The defensive days are over.

        • Surveilz

          Yes and watch how quickly the popes of dogma subscribe to the new religion.

      • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

        CF history won’t be kind to old E.M.

  • LCD

    I do finally feel like there is an uptick in the general acceptance of LENR. SO all this is good. The Russian physicist may actually have had an extremely important impact. The kind that history may reference as a turning point.

    Very thankful to the Indian community for pushing this.

  • bachcole

    Keep in mind that India is a big supporter of homeopathy and Ayurvedic medicine. India has in fact the largest pool of patients and doctors of each discipline in the world. Even if you think that either or both are bunk, it does show that they have open minds and aren’t afraid to think outside of the box.

    I happen to believe that both are the Cat’s Meow, the Bee’s Knees, real, and very valuable. But, please, don’t respond with comments about Avogadro’s number; I am already well aware of Avogadro’s number. I am also aware that that homeopathy has been working for me for the past 45 years, for the British Royal family for the past 185 years, and for hundreds of millions of people for 220 years. We just don’t have a provable theory for it yet, sort of like cold fusion. (:->)

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Andrea Calaon advertises his new LENR theory in JONP. I don’t put the link because the software doesn’t seem to like it. A lot is unclear, but at least some of his ideas look interesting and potentially relevant.

  • Gerard McEk

    There seems to be a ‘force’ in India that pushes LENR in the right direction, much more then in any western country. India has many good educated people available and when their government accepts the ‘other nuclear’ route as viable, we can expect quick advances in LENR from India. I hope they will take-up the glove and seek the challenge of LENR.

    • Fortyniner

      I think the ‘force’ you mention is probably present in many countries. Perhaps the difference is that ‘opposing forces’ from vested interests may be fewer or weaker there.

      I agree that as a result of this seemingly free uptake, and the fact that India has some very good research facilities and people, it may well become a major player in the cold fusion renaissance. I hope so.

      • timycelyn

        Peter, I agree. I’ve always thought that India has a very different set of priorities, not dissimilar to China. There are certainly powerful, very powerful, vested interests there, jut like here, but they are different. The huge fossil fuel energy lobby is absent – fossil fuels are largely imported and are a right pain.

        Pushing very hard for this technology there are a number of factors, including:
        1. Bypassing the need for further massive investment in energy infrastructure
        2. Avoiding costly imports of fossil fuels
        3. Strategically, less international dependence external energy sources

        As I’ve maintained, these guys will push ahead on this, from their perspective (which I know quite well) it’s a no-brainer.

        The question has always been to me, to what extent will TPTB damage ‘The West’ trying to shore up a dying fossil fuel based energy industry, whilst these two fearsome international competitor countries get cheap energy from a non-imported source…

        Cheers

        Tim

        • GreenWin

          One addition tim; the West trying to shore up a dying fossil/fission based energy industry. Uranium prices suffered a 50% loss following Fukushima and have never recovered. Oil is down 60% in 6 months.

          • timycelyn

            What’s that old saying? “Throwing good money after bad….”

            Very appropriate…

          • Fortyniner

            Sadly, decreased costs of reactor fuels may may make government-propelled ‘new nuclear’ projects such as Olkiluoto, Flamanville 3 and Hinkley Point C slightly less expensive to run.

            However, part of the hidden agenda behind the EPR reactor design is to build reactors that can ‘burn’ MOX fuel (up to 25% plutonium) in order to reduce the piles of waste at places like Sellafield, and in the cooling ponds of all nuclear power stations. This crap is otherwise destined for expensive, uncertain and highly opposed burial in Europe and Australia, so running costs for disposing of some of it are actually a secondary factor.

            • GreenWin

              Correct. Here in the States our MOX fuel facility at Oakridge is 500% over budget (~10B$) and more than a decade behind schedule. To make matters worse, they lost their fuel buyer – so IF this boondoggle is ever finished – they’ll have to PAY operators to take the fuel. Or send it to underground dump in New Mexico – also over budget, behind schedule and currently closed due to toxic explosions. How did we get into this mess??

      • GreenWin

        Could our friend and purported skeptic, Caltech-educated Andy Kumar have been gathering LENR evidence for his homeland? With India’s Academy of Sciences embracing LENR they become mainstream cold fusion leaders. We may find Andy heading up a CF program in India one day. A skeptic-to-believer tale of two countries. Oh the irony!

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/23/obamas-india-visit-clean-energy-climate-on-agenda

    In reading the article about Obama’s visit between the lines, the ‘clean energy’ cited (solar and wind) seem to be only two of a larger group of ‘clean energy’ poroposals. Would you think that LENR now is more under the political lens than we may fathom?

    • bachcole

      If Obama et. al. is hiding something about LENR, compared to India that tells us something very important about the USA. If Obama is completely unaware of LENR, compared to India that tells us something very important about the USA.

    • builditnow

      Obama is “surrounded” by the US elite. The US elite is generally heavily invested in things threatened by LENR, so, it could be likely some other countries have to force the issue into public view before Obama can even whisper about it. It could be that if it is discovered that India has a large skunk works for LENR underway, fear of the US being left behind could enable LENR to be discussed openly in the US.
      Then Obama can speak and even the wikipedia block-aid could be broken (although I think they will be the last to respond).