Rossi: “I Think Now is Too Late to Catch Us”

Here’s an interesting exchange on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

JCRenoir
January 8th, 2015 at 12:32 PM
Dr Rossi:
Do you think it could be possible to make an industrial or domestic E-Cat, working every day for domestic or industrial customers, without using catalyzers, but only the fuel described in the Lugano Report?
JCR

Andrea Rossi
January 8th, 2015 at 3:51 PM
JC Renoir:
No, it is impossible. To make an E-Cat work regularly for months you need more than that. As I said, the E-Cat is a much more complicated thing than commonly is imagined. The substantial underevaluation of what we did has given us a strong advantage, since instead of changing the game, the imitation attempts on course try to fix old schemes, thinking that if we did something working the difference must be something very small, close to evanescent. This attitude gave us a strong advantage in the competition. For years I have been considered an imbecile who has been lucky God knows why, who makes things without understanding what the heck is doing ( in the best of cases). Or, more kindly, a fraudster. Obviously this has been a big advantage for our Team. I can say this now, since we are close to go commercial massively. I think now is too late to catch us.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It seems from this post that Rossi is paying attention to the efforts to replicate/reverse engineer the E-Cat that are going on now — which he calls the ‘imitation attempts’ — and he doesn’t seem too threatened by them. I don’t know what he means when he says they are getting close to going ‘commercial massively’.

Rossi, of course, knows things we don’t know, but it doesn’t seem likely that we will be seeing E-Cats in stores anytime very soon, but maybe they are lining up things for the manufacturing of industrial plants pending a successful test outcome of the 1 MW plant.

Anyway, he seems to be feeling rather confident about his position in the marketplace — but I’m sure some will take his statement here as a challenge!

  • Omega Z

    Or perhaps as Rossi has stated on multiple occasions, His reactor & the effect are much more complex then many presume.

    The Lugano test indicates an excess heat output, but if you can’t exceed it’s performance, It is of little use as far as a working product.
    One needs to look at the facts. You are using a High Value product, 1Kw Electric to produce a Low Value product, 3Kw Heat. Yes, If that heat is concentrated & in high enough volume, you can turn it back into 1Kw electric. Breakeven. It still required 3Kw of fossil fuels to get there in the 1st place.

    How many Factors are involved in this technology.
    Some are thinking all you need is heat. Some realize it requires at least 2 different factors to be if use. Few realize that Rossi is using 3 and likely 4 different factors to make this technology useful in high temps, Volume & with COP high enough to become a useful technology.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Here is a lot of useful information on hydrogen storage materials (for metal borohydrides see p. 11 ff):

    https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/content/dam/sigma-aldrich/docs/Aldrich/Brochure/al_material_matters_v2n2.pdf

  • Axil Axil

    LiBH4 is not as good as LiAlH4 in terms of the management of hydrogen release and absorption. It is unclear what the effects of LiBH4 has on the LENR reaction itself, but when the LENR reaction gets going LENR might eat one element as well as another. Only experiment will tell for sure for any given system.

  • Observer

    Remember how old the dog bone design is. Only Rossi and IH were in a position in the last year to investigate the Rossi effect reaction. To think that they have not pursued every avenue to optimize its usefulness would be nieve. Odds are the current generation of reactors look nothing like anything we have seen so far.

    • Omega Z

      I agree, Rossi has stated that the Reactor continues to evolve. The Reactor used in the Lugano test is just for R&D purposes & not an End Product.

      My very 1st thoughts about Lugano Reactor was that it did not appear anywhere near robust enough to be used for a power plant.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    More evidence for the existence of hydrinos would be helpful. As long as there are only EUV/X-ray spectra from catalyst atoms (and perhaps some excess energy) most people will understandably remain cautious. If Mills could isolate larger quantities of hydrinos and analyze them by all possible means, he would certainly attract more attention. Even if hydrinos were chemically inert, not ionizable and unable to emit photons they would still have enough detectable properties.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      Isn’t he using a multiple of analytical methods already, do you know if there are people who asked him to cooperate on doing more independent validations? I got the impression that previously the analytical methods was weak, but got the impression that current EUV/X-ray is accurate. Is there alternative explanations to those lines?

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I’m not following the story consequently, but in any case I would be interested in substantial news. My problem with the EUV/X-rays is mainly that there might be alternative explanations for their occurrence. But admittedly I do not know all the details of the discussion. Anyway, it would surely be better if more than the possible symptoms of hydrino formation could be observed.

  • Christina

    You go, Mr. Rossi.

  • Axil Axil

    The Roman triumph (triumphus) was a civil ceremony and religious rite of ancient Rome, held to publicly celebrate and sanctify the success of a military commander who had led Roman forces to victory in the service of the state, or originally and traditionally, one who had successfully completed a foreign war. In Republican tradition, only the Senate could grant a triumph. During the Principate, triumphs became more politicized as manifestations of imperial authority and legitimacy. The origins and development of this honour were obscure: Roman historians placed the first triumph in the mythical past.

    On the day of his triumph, the general wore a crown of laurel and the all-purple, gold-embroidered triumphal toga picta (“painted” toga), regalia that identified him as near-divine or near-kingly. He rode in a four-horse chariot through the streets of Rome in unarmed procession with his army, captives and the spoils of his war. At Jupiter’s temple on the Capitoline Hill he offered sacrifice and the tokens of his victory to the god. Thereafter he had the right to be described as vir triumphalis (“man of triumph”, later known as triumphator) for the rest of his life. After death, he was represented at his own funeral, and those of his later descendants, by a hired actor who wore his mask (imago) and toga picta.

    The focus of the Triumph was the general himself. The ceremony promoted him – however temporarily – above every mortal Roman. who had laboured selflessly for the benefit of all mankind. His sumptuous triumphal chariot was bedecked with charms against the possible envy (invidia) and malice of onlookers. A companion or public slave would, from time to time, remind him of his own mortality (a memento mori) as a pritestion aginst the evils of pride.

    Understand me…here…I act like that wise and prideless slave in the service of LENR remining our general in his supreme monment of his triumph to avoid the dangers and pitfalls of pride.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      10/10, would read again.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Perhaps the Nobel laureates who said cold fusion/LENR was “nonsense” should have kept this in mind.

    • TomR

      After all that Rossi has been through, he deserves all the accolades he gets.

      • Axil Axil

        Your prescription may be harmful to dear Rossi and his development of new ideas in LENR. Moderation in all things is wise. It is true that a just a little bit of sugar makes the medicine go down but too much sugar will cause diabetes.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    It wasn’t a constipated ivory tower technocracy with billions of dollars that can up with the E-Cat. LENR was going nowhere until Rossi came on the scene. I never underestimate what Rossi can do. I’m sure we’re just seeing the tip of the iceberg of what Rossi is up to.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      came up

    • Axil Axil

      Most of Rossi’s technology came from his dead partner and Piantelli. He has risen high on the backs of giants.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Piantelli is a great scientist. He put his activated nickel rods into a cloud chamber to prove that a nuclear reaction was taking place. There have been many heroes that need to be recognized. And there was J. Tandberg (with hydrogen instead of deuterium) before F&P. Was Rossi experimenting with catalytic hydrogenations (like Raney nickel) in his waste treatment business that may have triggered (independently of Piantelli) the idea of using hydrogen with powdered nickel? Didn’t Focardi mention that Rossi’s nickel powder reactor was significantly more active than the nickel rod system that Piantelli was using at that time? Sure, there are many heroes. For example there was Les Case’s “foot ball”. Les Case used deuterium gas (instead of the F&P electrolysis of heavy water) with palladium (another transition metal catalyst like nickel).
        See Les Case’s “foot ball” at 36:36
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k

        • Eyedoc

          Nice summary

      • Omega Z

        Axil Axil

        All build upon the work of others.This phenomenon was actually witnessed & noted long before anyone living & working in this field today.
        That said, I think you under appreciate Rossi’s own contributions. Focardi even stated that Rossi took unique approach with his research that others may never have even thought of.

        Neither can we underplay the roll that Rossi’s knowledge gained from the Thermal electric device research & his Petrodragon played a big roll. Both of which delved into catalysts & doping technology R&D.

        Note that from what I’m aware of, Rossi also has met with & had discussions with Randal Mills back in the early 90’s who also worked with NI/H. Who borrowed/learned from Whom is really hard to determine. Likely all have payed attention to his competitors. Even Piantelli. & Focardi.

  • clovis ray

    Since we are close to go commercial massively. I think now is too late to catch us.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R. ding , ding, ding, game over

  • Obvious

    The Lugano device was a rough blueprint for the replication of the effect, not a near-commercial device.
    The demonstration of the mastery of Rossi and IH in the technique is exemplified by their ability to build a simplified test version that can work for at least a month without special controls. Commercial versions will be much advanced compared to the deceptively simple-looking Lugano device.
    Anyone with a little skill can make wine, but only a few can make it so it tastes good both now and 10+ years later. People will pay a premium for the work of the master vintner. You cannot become a master vintner overnight, or by committee, or crowd-sourcing expertise from the masses of mediocre wine-makers. It extremely difficult, if not just short of impossible, to copy the flavor and storage characteristics of a particular fine wine, even with all the originals’ ingredients and methods at one’s disposal. And since the Lugano reactor was more of a session beer than a fine wine, attempting to make a commercial wine by copying the ingredients and methods will not succeed. Multiple examples of mediocre beer-type reactors are the inevitable result. By design. But proof of fermentation should be readily available to those with skill and patience.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      Rossi found his “magic sauce,” or whatever it is, by experimenting with many materials, I think he said that he did a thousand trials. The big problem with LENR in general is reliability. You can get a reaction going, but how long does it last? The Lugano reactor lasted a month, but that was one device. Would the next one last a month? Or a day? And how much power did it produce? Without the calibration, it may be as little as none. Hopefully, MFMP will come up with enough data to have a much better idea. Most people extremely enthusiastic about Rossi know little of the history of cold fusion, and have no idea of what could go wrong.

      This much is clear to me: if Rossi has a reliable approach, if he can make reactors with reliable output of a kilowatt, or even a few hundred watts, he could sell them immediately for industrial investigational use. If there is patentable art involved, he could get a patent with an available device.

      The Parkhomov reactor, if it works, shows what could be made: a fuel rod that when heated will produce power. Does it work? If so, it’s all over. Making industrial heaters, at that point, should be trivial. However, if the power is not sustained, it might not be. I would not, at this point, assume that Parkhomov has anything. But his approach was brilliant. Just test the material! See what happens!

      The Parkhomov reactor design could be used to rapidly test many materials or formulas, simultaneously, at very high temperatures and hydrogen pressures. That’s what is exciting about Parkhomov.

      As well, Parkhomov, in spite of a lot of data missing, was the soul of openness compared to Rossi. Lugano is a blueprint for what? Confusion, as far as I can see. 1400 C external temperature? What, then, would the internal temperature be? MFMP already has some data. So far, I am not seeing support for the Lugano claims.

      With Parkhomov, we have data from an integrated thermocouple that will likely track internal temperature closely. The heating is from outside, not inside (unless there is XP). With Lugano, there is an internal thermocouple. No data from it was revealed. If I can criticize Parkhomov, it’s because Parkhomov provided the data. In other words, he’s acting like a scientist. There is a world of difference.

      • Obvious

        With all due respect to Parkhomov, (who did a great job); he is years from putting 100 or so of them together to make a giant heater to put in a factory. Would you even trust one left running in a normal fireplace, left unattended?

        • Eyedoc

          Would you leave a ‘regular’ fire unattended with children nearby?
          That’s why the ‘New Fire’ name is so appropriate…YES its dangerous! ..but so is fire,electricity,propane,etc(CURRENT 30 yr old NUCLEAR plants!!!)…….that’s life ! You will never discover anything new if you are afraid of danger (or if you need to ‘trust’ everything in your life, before you will use it)

          • Obvious

            I do leave children near a fire. I am not concerned about neutron bursts or the fire burning a hole through the fireplace bottom and white hot rubies and liquid metal spilling all over from firewood.

    • Fortyniner

      A glass of beer would be highly desirable to a thirsty man. The wine can come later.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Maybe RosAtom will be renamed RossiAtom:-)

  • Bernie777

    Is it possible the IH “customer” plant is using the E-Cat to produce Hydrogen via steam reforming?

    http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/advanced-technologies/hydrogen-co-production/

  • Fortyniner

    I wish Russian experimenters every success with their replication efforts. The more the merrier, as the English expression goes.

  • LuFong

    It should be kept in mind that rossoi/IH are trying to sell this tecnology. Any investor would certainly be concerned about any competition.

    • Fortyniner

      Rossi seems rather pointedly unconcerned about his potential competitors – which may mean that although they are on track to partially replicating his work, they are all missing some very important factor, and are unlikely to discover this in time to pose any commercial challenge to IH.

      • LuFong

        That’s what Rossi is saying. But if I were interested in buying a license to manufacture or sell IH’s device’s I would certainly be interested in how much of a head start IH/Rossi has. And it’s in Rossi’s best interest to say what he is saying.

        While I don’t mean to diminish Rossi’s efforts (given what we know), I also feel that Rossi has maybe 1 year head start once the basic effect is reproducible. Note that Rossi doesn’t even understand the theory as evidenced by his statements about the Lugano test results. There are a lot of smart people in the world and it won’t be long before they catch IH/Rossi. The only thing that might save Rossi is the patents.

        • Fortyniner

          I agree with most of the above, but don’t share your faith in patent protection. I think IH may intend to rely on a leasing model for multi-core industrial boilers that will prevent unauthorised access to installed equipment for long enough to allow them to gain a dominant the market position, at least for a while. I’m sure they realise that it will not take more than a year or two for others to either steal the secrets or develop their own solutions, and that they must ‘make hay’ before their monopoly ends.

          The other forseeable option is for IH to sell out for billions to a multinational corporate energy producer that has the ‘influence’ needed to gain a legal monopoly based on false safety fears, so that any smaller or freelance competitors can be crushed using state law enforcement agencies.

  • georgehants

    ing. Michelangelo De Meo
    January 9th, 2015 at 5:57 AM
    dear Dr. Rossi, I invite you to read this interesting article on the history of the history of cold fusion.
    I also invite readers to read it.
    Low Energy Nuclear Reactions: Papers and Patents
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/low-energy-nuclear-reacti_b_6189772.html
    ——–
    Andrea Rossi
    January 9th, 2015 at 7:16 AM
    Ing. Michelangelo De Meo:
    Thank you for the very interesting article on Huffingtonpost: is not
    biased, equilibrated and correct from his neutral point of view. To his
    references merit to be added the work of Brian Ahern and of Alexander
    Parkhomov, together with the theoretical papers of Carl Oscar
    Gullstroem.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Fortyniner

      Afternoon George. Nice to see Dr Parkhomov getting a nod from the maestro… It seems he may be on the right track, despite some of the doubts expressed on this forum.

      • georgehants

        Peter, good to see you back in action, fixing your broadband seems to have taken about the same as the waiting time in any A&E.
        Now GreenWin seems to have gone AWOL.
        Four years now (or is it five) since the first Mr. Rossi announcement, many more like Mr. Parkhomov, MFMP, etc. is what is needed so that the basic technology becomes known and able to be freely used, I think.
        Best

        • Fortyniner

          I had only intended to skim through recent posts and update myself, but now realise that I really am addicted to dumping my irrelevant maunderings all over this blog. Maybe GW has gone ‘cold turkey’ as part of his New Year resolution to escape a similar problem…

  • mcloki

    Brics. BRICS is the acronym for an association of five major emerging national economies: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa

  • GordonDocherty

    Personally, I hope the e-cat/hot cat emerges for sale soon – back in 2006, dirty water was killing 5,000 children a day :

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/nov/10/water.environment

    So, as each day goes by, another 5,000 children die. Cheap, clean water (for example, from the sea) will reduce that number, while cheap fuel will enable better farming and cheaper food.

    Now, I know such things can’t be hurried, but it is the real beneficiaries of all this amazing new technology that we really need to keep in mind.

    • Bernie777

      I agree with everything you said above, except it “can’t be hurried”.

    • Observer

      Why do we have over seven billion people on earth? Because we can feed seven billion people. When we have the ability to feed eight billion people we will have eight billion people. Why do people suffer nearly unbearable conditions? Because suffering has never been considered a valid reason not to exist. Can we do things better? Yes. Will there be unintended consequences? Yes.

  • Fortyniner

    If domestic reactors appear in BRICS or other non-Western countries that would be a very positive development. It would also be a very surprising one – at least for me.

    • timycelyn

      Count on it, Peter – as I’ve often said, different country, different priorities and rules…

  • Mike Henderson

    Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!

    The thought process was “What the heck is PTB? Barnum?” A quick web search found the slang acronym for “Powers That Be”, but it also turned up that frequently mis-attributed quotation. It just seemed to fit this topic too well, so I phrased it in the form of a question.

    Your prize is an autographed photo of Ophelia. 😉

  • Andreas Moraitis

    The question of JC Renoir was this one:

    “JCRenoir
    January 8th, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Dr Rossi:
    Do you think it could be possible to make an industrial or domestic E-Cat, working every day for domestic or industrial customers, without using catalyzers, but only the fuel described in the Lugano Report?
    JCR”

    The “iron oxide” question came from another user and has been answered separately.

    • ecatworld

      Thank you Andreas — my mistake.

  • Axil Axil

    Like a flash of insight breaking through a pattern of illusion during a Rorschach test…I now sense that Rossi is scared. The cloak of anonymity that has protected him for so long is about to be lifted from his passion and he feels exposed and very vulnerable. He no longer controls the flow of events in his world…IH does…he has lost control and the real world is about to break like a thunderous storm wave over his head. He cannot understand how a mere Russian from nowhere was able to duplicate his years long efforts. His perception of himself as an unsurpassed genius whose life’s work was way beyond human understanding could be so easily replicated by mere mortals… his confidence in how to perceive the world and what is possible in it is so rudely been shattered.

    He must now build for himself a new edifice of self delusion to get him through these new times of increasingly uncontrollable events. We will watch with morbid interest like watching an roiling adaconda swallowing of baby lamb as Rossi’s world of illusion continues to fall asunder.

    • Ophelia Rump

      You are a little to flamboyant, it comes off needfully negative, so you hate Dottore Rossi. Take a number stand in line over there. We will call you if your number comes up.

      Hate is the opposite of impressive. No matter how grand-eloquently you express it, hate it still diminishes everything it touches, including yourself.

    • Fortyniner

      Your comment seems unnecessarily harsh.

      Perhaps we should bear in mind that since IH became involved, development of e-cat technology has been the result of collaboration between Rossi and a group of R&D people put together by IH. Rossi seems to be expressing the thought that while he personally has been considered by some to be a lucky dilletante or even a fraud, the ‘Team’ has now validated his claims and improved the devices to the point of commercial viability. Assuming that this really is the case, I think he has the right to express a little pride in his own achievements.

      An interesting phrase in the comment is “the imitation attempts on course try to fix old schemes…”. This might be interpreted to mean that MFMP is working on the basis of older reactor designs that Rossi now considers to be dead ends, and that he is currently developing something quite different that he believes no-one else is even close too.

      If that’s the case though it is highly unlikely that this tech will be used in home units (as Admin appears to suggest), but instead, only in secured industrial settings. I’m not sure why Rossi continues to imply that domestic units are still a possibility – that they are not for the forseeable future seems clear, at least not if IH manages to retain a monopoly on the IP.

      • ecatworld

        The only reason I think we won’t be seeing domestic e-cats in stores anytime soon, is because of the certification issue. From my reading of Rossi, the certifiers want to be absolutely sure of the E-Cats safety, and that requires a track record of industrial plants running for some time.

        According to AR, the technology is ready, and once certification takes place, IH will start mass producing these units cheaply.

        • Fortyniner

          Admin – I’ve edited out the reference to yourself as I didn’t mean to imply that you share my more pessimistic view of why domestic reactors are unlikely to appear on the market (at least in the ‘developed world’) any time soon.

        • clovis ray

          Thats the way i see it as well, Frank, and this will be the fastest way to get these cats to the retail stores, IH/R are the owners of the e-cat and they are for sale, and the house cat will be next on the market, wah-hoo, it want be long now, thank you Dr. R for doing things the right way, your invention will save our world, thank you , thank you so very much, i nominate you for the noble prize and all other deserving prizes and i hope there are many showered upon you sir.

    • Gerard McEk

      Axil Axil, I have always valued your technical evaluation and theories. Now you are evaluating the psychological aspects of Rossi and I am not sure they reflect also yours.

      I value Rossi for what he did and does and I hope he will enjoy the fruit and appriciation of his hard working.

    • ecatworld

      Rossi is publicly praising Dr. Parkhomov — seems pleased about his work.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      Axil, have you studied the thermometric data from Parkhomov? I used a likely input power sequence of 0, 25, 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 W and plotted an eyeballed mean power for each power input period. The result is highly linear, in two phases. I find it impossible to reconcile with major XP, more than 100 W is very unlikely. So how to explain Rossi’s reaction? Rossi classically loves public and scientific confusion. If he’s studied the data, I think he knows that Parkhomov doesn’t have his secret. So of course he would chat up Parkhomov. It costs him nothing.

      Nevertheless, Parkhomov deserves replication. The approach is of high interest.

    • TomR

      I don’t think Rossi should be underestimated.

    • pdfernhout

      While I don’t necessarily agree with the specifics of what you wrote, in regards to the general issue of the relationship of an inventor and his or her role in the invention’s subsequent development and flow of world events, I wrote to Rossi about four years ago via his Journal site with a reference to the sci-fi book “Midas World” where the character who invented “monopole fusion” becomes embittered about being shut out of the social aspects of how it was further developed, commercialized, and used. My suggestion was that Rossi open source the e-cat design as part of transforming our global economy from a scarcity-oriented ideology to and abundance-oriented one. A copy of that letter (and a link to the original Journal posting) is on the PESWiki here: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Economic_Transformation

      BTW, I sent a physical copy of that book to Pons and Fleischman back when they made their initial discovery, congratulating them and suggesting they think about the social aspects.

  • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

    I think MFMP and AP don’t have the aim to be a competition to Rossi.
    They just want to scientificaly prove that Rossi’s claims are genuine!

    This even plays into Rossi’s and IH’s hands to grant their patents. So they should be glad that MFMP is doing real science and maybe proves that Rossi has what he says!

    • Ophelia Rump

      Maybe, but it could also make the technology Open Source and bring in vast hoards of garage manufacturers gobbling up the market. If IH were slow out of the gate for home market they could lose the lions share of the market. Their immediate advantage will be having a highly finished product. That advantage will be back engineered and evaporate as fast a competitors can get their hands on genuine IH technology. Chasing millions of garage manufacturers around the world will be a losing battle when they have open source rights.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        For the end user it doesn’t matter who wins the race, who produces the devices with the best performance/cost/safety ratio or whatever, as long as some does. What matters more to end users is that existence of garage devices might force governments to proceed with certification and allow IH to sell its professional devices. Possible safety risk is the only legitimate reason to delay certification of home devices, and in a situation where garage experiments already exist, the evident way to minimise the risk is to allow selling of professional devices, that is, IH’s E-cats. Thus replications are good, especially ones that are open-source and that can be replicated in a garage.

        • georgehants

          Pekka, so agree, any delays from anybody cost lives.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          To add the obvious: And Rossi would win, too, because he would get his home devices finally certified

        • Mike Henderson

          “For the end user it doesn’t matter…”

          Umm. Let’s look at software or music or movies. Would you rather get movies from a business or from file sharing. There are advantages and disadvantages to both models. Intellectual property rights create supposedly temporary monopolies to give the inventor / creator the ability to recoup their risky investment. Alas, I believe Mickey Mouse will NEVER enter the public domain, temporary has become permanent because, well, money talks and the US government saw fit to extend copyright protection to keep the money flowing. So, if you want a permanent “tax” on LENR technology in the form of a narrow monopoly, do everything you can to support issuing key patents to a few parties. If you want another less centralized model to prevail, try other approaches.

        • Warthog

          Heh, heh, heh………and the “replication in a garage” will particularly enrage the hot fusion boys and their allies who have worked so successfully since P & F to stifle LENR.

        • TomR

          I think a MFMP kit, that is reasonably priced, will speed up the certification. I think that Rossi already has the safety handled. Pekka is right.

      • Axil Axil

        I judge this latest Rossi post as prideful an pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          I could be wrong, but I think that Rossi’s mood swings are usually mainly just a function of how well his experiments and plants are going at the specific moment.

          • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

            So you think that currently all is going very well and he feels invincible?

            Also good for us 😉

            • Pekka Janhunen

              Yes, but it will probably change again soon. A person doing R&D is constantly working with problems. If old problem is solved, he takes a new one because everything that can be done, can be done better.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If this is a LENR cold war then Industrial Heat should be getting the home certification any day now. I hope they are pushing for it. Surely there must have been some minimum threshold set when they were told they needed industrial data first. Perhaps this whole year of plant operation objective fulfills the requirement.

    If so we should expect IH to go large scale production this summer, if they intend to hit the home market as rapidly as possible. I truly hope he gets his great achievement and is first to market in a big way. I would purchase one of his in preference to someone else’s just out of respect for his effort. Perhaps they have established manufacturing in China already, for all we know they are ready to turn out millions a month the moment all required criteria have been met.

    I am not sure what going ‘commercial massively’ means to Dottore Rossi, but I hope it means bigger than an IPhone Roll-out. I would love to see 20 Million units sold the first week.

  • guest

    http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v14/n1/full/nmat4083.html

    would this have anything to do with cold fusion?

    could a solid-solid phase transition be involved with LENR?

  • BroKeeper

    I always felt and said the skeptics, PTB’s and accusers would be a benefit to Rossi in the long run discouraging many potential competitors from persuing CF. AR is destined to win the race.

    • Mike Henderson

      Wasn’t PTB the guy who said “You can fool some of the people all of the time; you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.”

      • Ophelia Rump

        You can observe a lot by just watching.

        Yogi Berra

  • Anon2012_2014

    Rossi: “I Think Now is Too Late to Catch Us”

    Just another excuse by AR why an irrefutable public demonstration is never done.

    Maybe this will be the year of LENR, say its even likely.

    But why Rossi can’t demo (anti-competitive) — just doesn’t pass the smell test.

    This is like a mystery novel that we are waiting for the climax. I personally can’t wait.

    • Fortyniner

      Why do I suddenly feel that I’m stuck in Groundhog Day….

  • TomR

    After reading the conversation between georgehants and Rossi, I think the USA either fast tracks the domestic e-cats safety certification or we are going to be left behind.
    georgehants
    Dear Mr. Rossi, the question must be asked.
    If a safety certificate was given now, do you have a small Cat technically reliable and capable of driving water purifiers where needed.
    You have said you are ready to produce domestic units by the million.
    Best wishes

    Georgehants:
    We have domestic E-Cat models ready to work, if this is your question.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    georgehants
    Dear Mr. Rossi, thank you for your reply.
    Therefore if the authorities appreciated the importance of the lives that possible could be saved if your small unit was available quickly,then they could fast track the safety certificate as a priority for the benefit of mankind?

    Georgehants:
    Ask them.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.