Hot Cat – Do It Yourself Suggestions (Mike Ivanov)

Based on several discussions on this and other sites I see the DIY approach as one of chances for LENR to break the wall.

Lets make an assumption what Ni-H combination works and Rossi’s e-cat and hot cat are real can do COP> 1.  We still have large problem with commercialization. Business implementation requires a lot of money, plus a lot formalities related to safety, licensing. And it is hardened by poor acceptance from general public.

Lets think now about self-assembly kits, like Sinclair computers in the 1980s or 3d printers in the 2010s. I see hot cat as best candidate for this because of simplicity and relatively low cost. It also looks safer to implement, since there is no high pressure hydrogen tank used.

Of course I do not see these kits used to heat houses immediately. During the first wave it is going to target hard-core fans of new technologies who wants to run some experiments in their garages and can spend few hundred bucks for the new toy.  Somebody suggested to sale ready-to use cores but I think even low-level components would be very useful. Ability to vary different parameters of  fuel, pressure, temperature, etc will give huge leverage to the development of technology.  May be somebody will find a right combination for permanent self-sustained reaction.

How I see the list of components for the kit (draft 🙂 )

1. Fuel

1.1 few grams of Ni powder.   One type for standard kit, few types for premium

1.2 Lithium in different combinations, started with Li Al H

2. Core

2.1. Ceramic pipes,  two or three sets.

2.2. Heating elements.

2.3. fixtures to install core – m.b. for premium kit only.

2. Sensors

2.1. thermocouples

2.2. low temperature sensors, for water or other coolant – premium kit

2.3. gamma and beta radiation sensors – premium kit

2.4. magnetic sensors – premium kit

3. Control system

3.1. Arduino based controller with power circuits to manage  electric heaters, collect and record temperature data, etc. (or alternative)

3.2. water flow management components – premium kit

4. Software

4.1. Basic tools to control the power, temperature etc.

4.2. Extended edition for deeper research – premium kit.

5. Manual

Very important piece :), describing what to do with all these powders, pipes, wires and sensors:). And safety measurements first, for sure. Technically I think the device is relatively safe, since nobody actually shown any radiation or any kind of chain reaction. I hardly believe what the reactor can make big damage in worst case scenarios.

6. Supporting web site

This is also very important, especially if to use it as hub for building of community for enthusiasts , to share tricks and achievements. Control software also could be integrated with cloud, for uploading test data and may be some kind of crowd analysis.

To summarize, I see the many benefits of such approach:

1. Safe business idea for any investors. Market is not huge, but I think there are few thousands individuals or small companies around the globe who would buy the kit.

2. No regulations or licensing involved. All components are quite common, do not contain any really hazardous chemicals or high voltage equipment, etc. And so far I do not see any real issue with intellectual property.

3. Low cost. Even for small batch, 100 kits or less, the cost could be quite low, as we can see on Ali-Baba site 🙂

4. Ready to use marketing and sales channels, like this and other LENR sites.

5. Hidden market, from people who are watching the development but do not ready for active participation..

I hope my ideas could help somebody.

Cheers and happy new year!

Mike

ivanov001 @ gmail.com

  • Mike Ivanov

    What is more dangerous, H2 in small balloon or heating gas in my home heater? I did a lot of chemical experiments with H2, oxygen or acetylene when I was young.

  • Oceans2014

    eCat Home will look something like this

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I wonder if a cement exists that is hydrogen-tight, cures at low temperatures and does not react too much with LiAlH4. If so, one could mix the fuel powder with the cement, form little pellets, let them dry and heat them finally up. This would be a way to get rid of the annoying problems with pressurized vessels.

    There are many different hydrogen sources which could substitute LiAlH4, provided that the lithium is less important than has been suggested.

    This might be a completely new type of experiment, possibly even suited for garage experimenters as long as the necessary safety measures are observed.

  • http://www.newenergytreasure.com Amos

    Which Windows software is used for power control and data capture?

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Joking aside, agreed in principle that any such factor might play a role. Fortunately, it’s not yet excluded that Lugano type experiments might turn out to be robust.

  • Alexei Cherenkov

    I would propose to go slightly further: to offer kits to solve some needs. Where do people need in high temperature at home? Well, all are thinking immediately about home heating, but it’s too complicated.
    1) Spirits-producing home system (samogon) is not restricted in many countries for personal use.
    2) Small oven for ceramics (for clubs or something, there people make small gifts for himself)
    3) Ovens for jewellers

  • NT

    In the gold rush days, the folks selling the shovels (amongst other things) made the money…

  • artefact

    He probably got the reaction going and switched of the input and leave it in self sustained mode. In his patent are COPs like that mentioned. The less input you give the less it seems stable.

  • Mike Ivanov

    How many years we have been feeding by stories about how dangerous smartphones are for airplanes? 15? 25? And then all suddenly – no danger, you can use it.. black magic.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Maybe they should breath heavily while loading, just in case

  • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    A relatively complex kit that could take months or more to develop is described. Don’t start there. The first product is just a “fuel rod.” It is a Parkhomov alumina cylinder, filled as he described. It does not have the heater wire wrap and the thermocouple. Anyone can add that, or heat the thing in an oven. I’d think of heating a pile of the rods in an electric kiln. But I’d do the math first!

    I have not yet researched shipping restrictions beyond knowing that restrictions on LiAlH4 are strong. If the fuel rods are pretreated (heated to hydrogen release temperature) before shipping, the LiAlH4 would be gone, but left would be hydrogen under pressure, maybe 50 atmospheres, but in a small space, sealed, and then presumably packaged for safety. It might be shippable. That’s going to be the largest practical obstacle, shipment of the rods.

    These fuel rods should be cheap. Then, whatever else is needed can be cobbed together. The Parkhomov apparatus is simple, and the details are more sophisticated than they look. For example, the way the steel box is placed in the bucket of water is such that escaping steam will pass over the box containing the hot reactor, which will slightly superheat the steam, possibly reducing wetness to zero. Those holes at the top if there are many of them, all over the box position, will reduce pressure, so that steam velocity is low and thus there will be less trapped water. However, already, it looks like the steam will be 95% quality or better.

    This is an experiment ready to be reproduced widely. The situation has radically shifted since Christmas day. Rossi’s work was secretive, with major details missing, and the “independent professors” were likely under non-disclosure agreements and, my guess, have an agreement not to talk to the public independently. With Parkhomov, this no longer is about Rossi. It’s now about science, an experimental report that looks very replicable.

    There could still be unknown details. Parkhomov may have a different kind of cat, one with hair, and it turns out that a cat hair is essential. That’s a joke, but the point isn’t. As did Pons and Fleischmann, Parkhomov may have gotten lucky, a batch of nickel that works when most won’t. Still, we are far, far ahead of where we were with Rossi, a week ago. For some years, I’ve been saying that we should wait until there is verifiable information, truly independent confirmation.

    This is it. It is now time to mobilize wide confirmation. It’s going to happen, we couldn’t stop it if we wanted to.

    The cat is out of the bag.

    • SG

      While I agree with nearly everything you say, I suggest that we not refer to the heated vessels as “fuel rods.” Language and terminology are important, particularly when supporting the emergence of a new technology. Skype specifically avoided calling themselves a telephone company, which very likely was instrumental in their emergence without being crushed by entrenched interests and regulations. Might I suggest “sealed heating vessel” instead.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_aluminium_hydride, LiAlH4 decomposes as follows:

    3 LiAlH4 > Li3AlH6 + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R1)
    2 Li3AlH6 > 6 LiH + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R2)
    2 LiH + 2 Al > 2 LiAl + H2 (R3)

    Note that the result is not pure Li, but a Li-Al alloy, which will more or less merge with the nickel. This – presumably harmless – material could be pre-produced by heating up nickel powder with LiAlH4. Maybe there is even a simpler method.

    The hydrogen could later be supplied in another way, for example by reduction of steam by iron:

    4 H2O + 3 Fe > Fe3O4 + 4 H2

    This would work as well with zinc. In the best case, the Ni-Al-Li alloy could do the job alone – one would only have to add a little water to the powder before it is heated up.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Also lithium-aluminium alloys (aluminium with a few percent of lithium) that are used in aerospace might be one way of sneaking in lithium in a safe way.

  • Andre Blum

    for software: arm based (beaglebone, raspberry pi) stack was started by me for the fusioncatalyst “peerpressure” project. Never made it to completion, as other parties in the project lost interest. (https://github.com/fusioncatalyst/peerpressure). Arduino nice, too, but less possibilities software-wise. Willing to pick up work if there is any serious plan.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The amount of LiAlH4 is only 0.1 gram. If it explodes (if assuming 4 MJ/kg ie. the same as TNT) it produces 400 joules, which approximately corresponds to muzzle energy of 9 mm pistol. Perhaps one could simply scale down the reactor so that the amount of dangreous substance would be small enough to be safe. Factor 10 downscaling to airgun energies. For just making experiments, one doesn’t need lithium for full 30 days endurance.

    Alternatively, sell pre-mixed Ni-LiAlH4 powder in a single-use plastic bag (PE or PET foil) which the user inserts into the reactor. Such plastics decompose in reactor heat and contain only hydrogen, carbon and (PET) oxygen. Carbon is probably not LENR poison because it existed as impurity in Lugano and was also present as atmospheric CO2.

    For better mechanical robustness, maybe the reactor could be a steel tube instead of ceramic tube, as were Rossi’s earlier HotCats.

  • Mats002

    Mike, I want to be the positive guy but I vote for safety measures go first. Peter Gluck talk about this at his site http://egooutpeters.blogspot.se/ and says Lithium aluminum hydride ( LiAlH4 ) is hazardous, see http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924506. I remember making my own circuit boards by combining hydrogen peroxide with nitric acid (or was it hydrochloric acid?). Can still feel that sharp smell when the copper on the board vanished quickly. My mother’s sauce pan went very clean by that procedure. I was lucky, no one got hurt from it. I bought the ingredients at the pharmacy, no one asked any questions what a 15 year boy would do with the stuff. Let the professionals do the first round! I hope we will learn that except for the ingredients in the core this technology is as safe as normal fire! (that did’nt come out right, did it?) 🙂

    • Mike Ivanov

      Yes, you are right, the delivery of this agent should be handled differently.

  • Mike Ivanov

    Talking about madness – there is no bad publicity as they said 🙁

  • Mike Ivanov

    All components are freely available, actually. There is no way to sell ready to use device right now. Regarding terrorists – this is a joke? So far there is no evidence of “super energy density” in this process.

    • bachcole

      Plus the “super energy density” has to be release suddenly, and currently do not see any way of doing that.

  • Mike Ivanov

    Nobody is going to call the kit using words “reactor”, “nuclear” or something like this :). It would be pretty stupid. Good name for first phase of selling it is “kit for physics experiments N1” or like that :). This is for special group of people who knows what is this about.

  • TomR

    When a kit is available, if I can afford it, I will buy it.

  • NT

    We all live with bombs that can and do take lives every day – gasoline, natural gas, butane, propane and on & on. These are not banned, but promoted and subsidized for sale to the public by most governments – hmmm…

    • Mike Ivanov

      Yep. You still can get fertilizers, mix it with gasoline and do a lot of noise.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      Agricultural fertilizer….

  • NT

    I am sure there were lots of bad accidents in the days when steam power came into play, but that didn’t stop the train (pun intended) from speeding forward…

    • bachcole

      But those were not the days of litigation madness.

  • Tom59

    Sounds like a great project for Pinatelli High School. Would the wire and control from an old iron do the job of heating the Ni powder?

  • Anon2012_2014

    I’m waiting to buy my portable nuclear reactor from RadioShack or Edmunds Scientific.

    • Ged

      Sounds great, sir. Do you want the exterior in black or pink?

    • Sean

      Remember Heathkit. They would have done it.

  • artefact

    MFMP created a good document for their dog bone with links to shops for materials and devices they need:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HxckP0fcRNwcjtNuXzF_C2dUXk2uOM81e87AA4ui0bU/edit?pli=1#gid=0
    Many of the expensive parts are not necessarily needed.
    Also a down size of the reactor could help to save money.
    Safety with LI and NI is still an issue though.

    • Anon2012_2014

      LAH burns on contact with water:

      Lithium aluminum hydride is a highly water reactive chemical. It reacts violently with water or moisture
      to give hydrogen gas with possible ignition. May ignite spontaneously on
      grinding or rubbing, or from static sparks.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Yep, this is probably a main problem, in order of delivery of this component.