Rossi Looking for ‘Perfection’ in 1MW Plant

Thanks to Georgehants for posting the following question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Dear Mr. Rossi, after all your years of hard work, at this time what is the thing that you are most looking to achieve and will give you the most satisfaction in your work?

Could it be the successful completion of the 1MW plant for your customer?

Andrea Rossi responded:

Andrea Rossi
November 26th, 2014 at 9:10 AM
Georgehants:
Absolutely yes: when the contract signed by IH with their Customer for the 1 MW plant will have been totally satisfied, fullfilled and totally paid for, that will be the first plant of the history making real energy in an industrial process. That will be the real game changer in the history of the production of energy, like the “New Fire”. This is why I have no time at all for any other issue, in this period. I need maximum focus, because failure is not an option and all the problems that pop up on daily base have to be resolved properly to consolidate the technology. I want this magnificence made by our Team to be perfect.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

When Rossi talks about perfection here, my guess he means that the plant perfectly fulfills the requirements of the contract — not that there is no room for improvement.

  • georgehants

    As usual the establishment stopped funding the unknown and delayed science for many years.
    ———-
    By this time Babbage’s grant had run out so he was financing the project himself and needed to … This resulted in Clement stopping work and dismissing his workers.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=babbage+difference+engine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp&gfe_rd=cr&ei=i_Z2VPtY48fyB7nUgZAK#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=babbage+difference+engine+funding+stopped
    ————
    Nevertheless, a difference engine was later built in 1991 to Babbage’s specifications and it proved to work.
    http://www.biographyonline.net/scientists/inventors/charles-babage.html

  • bitplayer

    Looks like it will be needed

    “Renewable energy ‘simply WON’T WORK’: Top Google engineers”

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/?page=2

    • Daniel Maris

      That link is just nonsense fission propaganda. Fission is hugely expensive – and even then it doesn’t cover all its potential costs (you can’t get normal private insurance for a nuclear fission plant for instance, which shows you just how dangerous they are, as people in the insurance market know only too well).

      100% renewable energy could work now if you wanted it to but obviously as of now it would be v. expensive. BUt there are lots and lots of technological innovations that are going to bring it close to the price of gas within the next 20 years – without LENR.

      • bitplayer

        OK. BTW, the link was mistakenly for page 2, which talked about fission as a solution. I modified the link go to page 1, which talked more about the fact that Google commissioned the study, the researchers wanted to find that renewables would work, and that they could not make the math work, hence Google gave up on it. The reason I give this credance is that I believe that Google founders Brin and Page wanted it to work.

        • Daniel Maris

          They only don’t “work” on the basis of a narrow view of cost.

          One side of the equation is the cost of PV panels. That has been declining rapidly ever since they were invented. In many parts of the world PV generation is now cheaper than the grid. There is no reason, according to most commentators, that the price of solar won’t continue to fall. I also think when the next generation of wind turbines comes in they are going to generate wind much more cheaply as we won’t have to replace the towers, build the service roads, make the grid connections etc. We will simply replace the turbines (or possibly plus blades). Added to that you have a range of other renewables including hydro, tidal, energy from waste and geothermal. Hydro and energy from waste can be used in part as forms of storage

          On the other side of the equation, we can see that price of storage is going to come tumbling down. Elon Musk, who has a good record on delivery, is building (through Tesla) a huge battery factory that will dramatically reduce unit costs.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Wonderful analogy! Excellent!

    Eventually you have to reach a point in which you deliver something. Recall the wright brother’s airplane was FAR superior to the planes being built in France, but the wright brothers were NOT YET ready to sell their plane, while much less controllable planes were being sold in Europe. Worse is they were VERY hesitant to show the plane since they worried about people copying the design! (sounds familiar – don’t it!!).

    In fact the Wright brother plane was about 8 years MORE ADVANCED of the planes being sold at that time. (so around the SAME time of the wright bothers – other powered planes appeared in Europe). However, they said we sell planes to anyone, while the Wright Brothers were not and waited a number of years!

    When Rossi says perfect, he simply means a reliable power plant that runs 24/7. So I don’t think Rossi is trying to TOO HIGH of a goal, but moving from the lab to an industrial setting is MOST challenging.

    In the early years of the computer industry you could purchase kits and build you own computer. What NAILED the Apple II was Steve Jobs INSISTED that the computer could be turned on and run by anyone, and not have computer training to do so! And no assembly required. A HUGE leap to go from computer kit to a consumer model exists here.

    So we had personal computers you could purchase for years. A great example of such a computer was featured on the cover of popular electronics:


    Worlds First Minicomputer Kit to Rival Commercial Models..”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800

    So this kit came “close” to a consumer model! And some stores started “assembling” them and selling them as pre-built.

    So you can buy this computer, but it was not something that a school or general customer would purchase.

    There is a TIPPING point in which the developers of the technology know they are ready for prime time. You “could” perhaps have someone come along every 3 hours and pull some lever on the e-cat, but that’s not good enough. This plant has to run 24/7, and run for months at a time.

    I am betting and hoping Rossi is close – but others are in his rear view mirror as we speak!

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada
    [email protected]

  • Andy Kumar

    Seems like he wants to go down in history as a brilliant inventor whose invention is lost to us. That should keep the mystical aura alive for generations to come.

  • Gerrit

    Rossi says he wants the magnificence made by his team to be perfect. To me it seems that he wants the whole story to be perfect, the game changing impact to be perfect.

    When Rossi finally presents his 1MW plant to the world, he wants to have months of successful operation to show for. He want to be able to deliver ecats to the world. He wants to completely erase any doubts. He wants it all to be perfect.

    I can fully understand that. I hope this will not take significantly longer than a year though.

  • Daniel Maris

    Most interesting part for me (he may have mentioned this before) is the fact that he is definitely claiming there is a contract in existence between IH and the customer.

    • Pweet

      There may well be. But why would anyone regard this particular contract as anything more indicative of success than any of the previous “contracts” with the other customers and licensees, for which nothing was ever produced or delivered?

      These latest claims of customers and contracts are no different to what we have previously heard and which the record now shows as having amounted to nothing.
      In fact, the claims are exactly the same as previous claims,.. working on the 1MW plant, waiting on the long term testing of the 1MW plant, waiting,.. waiting,.. waiting. It’s all about waiting because while the world waits, the charade goes on and the money rolls in.
      The whole point of the exercise is to keep people waiting,.. and paying, even if you have to pay off the previous participants who were signing up, paying and patiently waiting,.
      This charade originated right back at the beginning with the signing up for pre-orders,..available within a year, never delivered, signing up for the 1MW plant, available in 3 months,.never delivered,.. signing up and paying for the distributorships, for which nothing was ever available to distribute.
      That’s not business. It’s fraud and it is inexcusable.
      Those who excuse it as just being “business” do so with the luxury of not being on the receiving end. If they were the aggrieved party then I am sure their viewpoint would be different.

      Is it really a logical or smart strategy to spend millions of dollars designing and building a 1MW plant, (which is just an accumulation of a hundred or so smaller units), for long term testing rather than a simple smaller device of maybe one to five reactors, to be tested and monitored closely for however long is required to ascertain function and reliability? It is not.
      Logically, you build the small device, test it, modify it, test again until it comes up to the required standard, then make the big 1MW device.
      This is why the initial announcement back in 2011, carried so much weight, because Rossi claimed he had been heating his factory with it for 2 years.
      That was taken, by me and many others, as being the long term proving and testing required for proof of concept and reliability.
      Unfortunately, that claim now seems to be as groundless as all the others, robot factories, secret military customers, etc.
      The only reason I can see which would justify launching straight into the 1MW unit is to justify the consecutive year long delays in producing something.
      What happened to the original 1MW plants for which there were supposedly orders for another 11,.? and being worked on hard by his ‘team of engineers” ?
      I confidently expect we will never see such a device from this company.
      It will always be another year,..but wait, now we’ve now got something better, another year,..wait,. for as long as someone can be found to back it and the money rolls in.

      And you can be sure that the day the money stops, the cry will be that they were right on the edge of a big breakthrough which would have happened in just one more year. I don’t think so.
      Produce something! Anything which shows that you actually have something which works. Put it on display. Run it from a 1KW Honda generator and show it can produce 6kw reliably and long term.

  • Gerard McEk

    I had seen George’d question and was quite curious to Rossi’s response. I believe Andrea is right. It would be a real achievement when a LENR plant is sold on a commercial basis and working in accordance with its promissed performance. It will be a milestone in the world history!

    • EEStorFanFibb

      Yes, a world changing milestone to say the least. as will a JV deal between EEStor and a cap manufacturer (not as big a milestone but still important). Exciting times!

      • pelgrim108

        I have followed the EEStor events some years ago until it seemed to end with nothing concreed. So I gather from your words that the story has not ended.
        Do you have a good link to read up on the current situation?

        • EEStorFanFibb

          yes it ain’t over. we are nearing the end of the beginning though. here you go. http://goo.gl/m1z6aE

          • psi2u2

            Thanks for the update. I hope Zenstor comes through! With LENR and Eestor both, the world will be a very different and much happier place.