German Spiegel Online Features Rossi and E-Cat

The Spiegel, the top news magazine in Germany has a story on its website written by Ralph Diermann about of Andrea Rossi’s E-cat today titled “Cold Fusion: What Was Actually From Mr. Rossi’s Wonder Reactor?”

It is written in a familiar form when it comes to mainstream media, asking whether Rossi is either a genius or fraudester. Diermann covers the recent Lugano report and mentions the main results — the isotopic shifts in the fuel, and the excess heat measurements.

Comments on the test are sought from ‘experts’ in nuclear physics.

Stefan Pomp of Uppsala University in Sweden states, “The alleged isotopic variation is in this way – ie without emission of gamma radiation and with a virtually wholly owned transformation in just a nickel isotope – impossible.” Pomp says he believes that the testers were fooled by Rossi — presumably he thinks Rossi did a sleight of hand trick to replace the fuel with some new powder.

Karl Lackner, a professor at the Max-Planck-Institute for Plasma Physics in Greifswald, Germany says that the conditions required for nuclear fusion to occur are not met in Rossi’s reactor, saying temperatures of hundreds of millions of degrees are required. He states, “”I do not believe the story . . . the method of Mr. Rossi is very reminiscent of magic tricks.”

Overall, the article sheds plenty of doubt on the integrity of Andrea Rossi and the reality of the E-Cat, which is nothing terribly new.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yeah, and the MSM’s attempts to maintain their control are laughable.

    http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments

  • Kevin O

    When you say, “Who cares about the skeptics…” and then say ” Don’t you want to write
    back to Stefan Pomp that YOU know he is wrong because of proof,”… then aren’t you demonstrating that you DO care about the skeptics?

    Apparently your standard of proof is enough to squish skepticism. We would have met that standard 20 years ago if it weren’t or the skeptopaths denying normal & rightful access to peer review & other resources.

    So the standard for proof became Rossi’s “in Mercato Veritas”. Something like “let the market decide”, since the scientists did not fulfill their obligation to society.

    Of course we all want that level of skeptopathic immunity proof. But it is not available under current political-scientific-religious dogma conditions.

  • Omega Z

    “no chain of custody” There was, just not well explained.
    As to the report, It wasn’t for the blogs or our convincing. We’re just observers. It is not their intent to convince us or to freely provide information to competitors.

    However, they have a ton of data that we are not privy to, but you can be sure that when Industrial Heat has business discussions, all that data is available to parties of interest.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

    -Max Planck

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Here’s a talk by Martin Fleischmann that I’ve never seen before.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOQ6Cphe5nE

    At the end of the talk he shows that Harwell Laboratory
    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/20/science/britons-abandon-cold-quest.html
    actually did have excess heat in their 1989 replications of F&P’s experiment.

  • Kevin O

    If you talk to that Plasma Physicist and report everything he says accurately, he would likely deny that he said it. So if you recorded every word of it, the scandal would be that you recorded it. The journalistic trick is to bring two recorders (one hidden), get his permission to record, and then ostensibly turn off the overt recorder and act as if the comments are now more candid…

  • hempenearth

    Depends on the standard of proof you require. Some have enough evidence to meet their standard of proof. Someone coming to the topic today would have many reasonable doubts. Someone who has been following it for years and may have inside knowledge might have met their standard of being beyond reasonable doubt.

  • bkrharold

    It may not be a coincidence, this report, comes just a few days after we learned Bill Gates attended an LENR presentation. when someone with the business savvy and resources like Bill Gates displays interest, people take notice. Until now corporate media have been content to smugly ignore LENR altogether. What could have changed? Maybe their corporate masters are getting nervous at the prospect of a new disruptive technology. The article came across as rather shrill, as if they were trying to reassure each other. Like the frenzied barking of a dog, just before it gives up and runs away with its tail between its legs.

    • Gerrit

      reconfirming the groupthink.

  • GreenWin

    The article relies on a Max Planck skeptic Karl Lackner who spouts the tired hot-fusionist line, “millions of degrees are required for fusion.” Interesting to note that Karl is employed by the hot fusion division of Planck Inst. He specializes in tokamak, like the boondoggle ITER experiment. Only a phony journalist would buy and publish this tripe. LOL! http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karl_Lackner

  • Gerrit

    I absolutely love the article including all the comments. It is a great example of how mainstream media’s willful ignorance has led to its complete failure of informing the public.

  • Omega Z

    “saying temperatures of hundreds of millions of degrees are required.”

    They can not even entertains the Idea of CF/LENR. For them, there is only hot fusion.

  • bitplayer

    More chumps sign up for the future “LENR deniers Hall of Fame”.
    Meanwhile, more people go and download the report.
    Blessed are we, safe on the far shore, across the stormy sea of doubt.

  • bitplayer

    “why did they even publish the Lugano report”?

    Did worldwide attention to LENR increase by several multiples as a result of publishing the report? Did the timeline for LENR breakout shorten or lengthen? Was Rossi’s net stature increased or diminished?

    Or you could be a dog with nothing to react to at all. And on the internet, no one would know.

  • GreenWin

    Wow. Sleight of hand? While under strict supervision? This sounds as loony as moon landing conspiracies. And other patho-F UD.

  • Frechette

    Rossi did not do a sleight of hand because the reactor as well as the fuel were prepared not by him but by third parties at Industrial Heat. Had a chain of custody been provided the skeptics would not be satisfied but insist the custodians were in on the fraud.

    • GreenWin

      Let’s call it what the conspiracy theorists would; “An obvious conspiracy between the Swiss people, Price Waterhouse, qualified scientists and a dozen peer reviewers.”

      • Frechette

        Come to think of it I never did trust the Swiss what with all those air holes in their cheese. LOL

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Useless journalism… I thought good journalism uses the adversarial system, so both sides of a story are highlighted and the reader can form his or her own opinion. In this story we have two negative advocates and no positive. That’s just bad journalism and looks suspiciously like a hidden agenda.

  • Job001

    Here we have an old school professor obviously ignorant of thousands of LENR science studies, independent replications, and reports who is promoting old school nonsense.

    Denial and Ad hominem attacks are SOP Standard Operating Procedure for those too lazy and biased to review their own assumptions, models and even read competing science literature. Self promotion competition by old non-innovative funding biased science pretenders is not science but typical biased promotion, even when just for book sales, speaking fees, or media attention.

    The scientific method is well spelled out;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    Science suffers a great deal from vested interests who routinely fight innovation that they think threatens their existing investments, fees, sales, or funding grants or vested views. Typical funding biased promotion is NOT science.

  • Julian Becker

    I am really pissed of by this Diermann guy. I wrote him so often, giving him all kinds of links about the latest developments and he always told me to look into it and then he takes out the only pathosceptics still sticking around. Citing this Pomp guy he could have also done an interview with loony Krivit. Would have been as fruitful as this one…

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

      Thats typical for german mainstream. That’s why I was so happy to read the Spektrum article a few days ago.

      • Julian Becker

        I guess he had to write what his assignment asked him to do. He is freelancer. German press is not really free at all. This is pedantic German “Besserwisserei” at its best….

        • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

          The last few days I started to push the Billg Gates topic to the discussion on the german wikipedia discussion page of their “Kalte Fusion” article.

          http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Kalte_Fusion#Bill_Gates

          I also posted a few links to peer reviewed experiments from toyota and mitsubishi to the “Neue Ansätze” paragraph. Since that there is silence from the “besserwisser”‘s.

          • fritz194

            Neue Ansätze …. I started that ;-))

          • Julian Becker

            And I once thought SPIEGEL ist a left wing progressive magazine…

            • Frechette

              Left wing definitely, progressive hardly.

          • fritz194

            But what about the cold fusion and e-cat coverage in the english wikipedia ?
            “cold fusion” : ended in a poll and considered as pseudo-science
            “e-cat”: not possible to add even a link to the new paper…
            These voluntary super skeptists firewalling wikipedia articles scares me.

            • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

              Yes, every pro-lenr source or reference is not trustworthy or serious in their eyes…
              But Steven Krivit is mentioned as credible! Yeah, nice…NOT

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Connecting this article, just the most recent of the myriad of insulting articles and attitudes, to what Rossi said: his Team deserves recognition, as much as he does.

    And recognition goes to all those scientists who, on a shoestring budget, have bravely continued in their quest, the true scientific quest, for deeper knowledge.

    Articles like these, with tongue-in-cheek snickering and insults, are meant to create emulation by the uncanny and the intentionally closed-minded; they should be earmarked for the future hall of shame!

    Ocasapiens calls Federico Testa (which also Google translates as Head, the literal translation) “Federico Fuori di Testa”, or “Federico Out of His Mind”, citing ITER as a project on hot as well as cold fusion.

    When will so-called ‘journalism’ and like Trolls be silenced and demoted – forever?
    http://ocasapiens-dweb.blogautore.repubblica.it/2014/11/16/federico-fuori-di-testa/

    • GreenWin

      When our hologram sim gets honest programmers.

  • georgehants

    How much we must all admire these “scientists” that misinform the media.
    Who is going to teach these scientific illiterates about science?

  • Ophelia Rump

    Why is it the skeptics get to use smoke and mirrors magic tricks instead of science based factual answers. They should just be honest and say the technology violates their religious beliefs.

    Sir, your E-Cat just ran over my Dogma!

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      I think we might be approaching the point where a project []=Destroy Pomp=[] is needed.

    • LookMoo

      To read the whole test-report takes like 3 hours. Pomp did not read the whole report carefully, at least not according to his own comments on his plogg. I don’t say that the ecat works, just that the skeptics doesn’t have any method or approach. Just flat denial.

      When the Wright brother made their first pubic flight 1904 most of the university noblesse was in denial. 10 years later the got the first German bomb in their heads.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Despite the quotations of some hardened skeptics, the fact that DER SPIEGEL reports again about Rossi is basically a good sign. If they were convinced that the E-Cat is a scam or based on self-delusion they would simply ignore it. It is also noteworthy that the author himself puts questions, instead of making own assertions. By reading between the lines of this and previous articles one might detect a subtle adjustment of policy, in preparation for a possible change of trends in the not too distant future.

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      Journalists need to stop being so afraid is what it boils down to. Fear.

      Do your job people. Find and report the facts. Stop regurgitating the opinions of people who refuse to look at all the facts objectively and have a conflict of interest.

      • Frechette

        Journalists work for News Papers and TV network owners. They want to keep their jobs.

        • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

          Well here’s a carrot then.

          The journalist who breaks this story at national/international level, well-researched and unimpeachable on a major TV or newspaper outlet, will be the most famous, beloved and wealthy journalist in short order.

          Where’s the 6-piece NYT article or the CNN Breaking News and breathless coverage?

          • Frechette

            Journalists in my opinion are basically prostitutes especially the Germans. Certain mainstream news organizations there require Journalists to sign a pre employment agreement which essentially prevents them from delving into stories, such as criticism of Israel, which are considered politically incorrect before they are hired. As for Der Spiegel I’ve stopped reading that rag ages ago.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I agree.

        It’s not just science that is rotten in some aspects, but it’s the media as well seeing that there is no real independent main stream media anymore. If well researched by the media, the CF story could have found its way into MSM a long time ago and helped research to the point that we probably could have had CF powering most of the world already. Just to show that MSM has a lot of influence and with that also responsibilities.

      • GreenWin

        They ARE doing their job. Just as programmed people are expected to.

    • Omega Z

      “they would simply ignore it”

      #1, First they ignore you,
      #2, then they laugh at you,
      #3, then they fight you,
      #4, then you win.

      We’re at #3.

      There is an Optional #4
      They Co-opt You. They new it all along & their past aggressions never happened. It was all in good fun.

  • GordonDocherty

    Why is it physicists can’t imagine a magnetically confined, localized plasma a few nanometres across? Inside the plasma, temperatures can be boosted. Measure the temperature of the box holding the plasma, however, and it will not show a temperature of “hundreds of millions of degrees”.

    Now, moving on from this, which is easier, to magnetically confine trillions of atoms in volumes of 20 metres cubed and heat them to hundreds of millions of degrees, or confine 10 – 1000 atoms in a nanoscale magnetic bubble and heat them (at the same time as constricting / collapsing the bubble?) This is the approach taken in LENR and in DPF – and inertial confinement generally.

    So, what does the professor mean by “the conditions required for nuclear fusion to occur are not met in Rossi’s reactor”. If you look at the volume of space out to 3 light years around the Sun, the conditions aren’t met three either – yet, there’s the Sun. The point is (and one the professor has clearly missed) you don’t have to achieve the necessary conditions across the whole volume / sphere in order to achieve the necessary conditions at specific tiny volumes within the overall sphere – and this is what the lattice helps achieve.

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      Nice comment. I agree.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Apparently, this professor is not acquainted with the literature on LENR that has been published in the last 20+ years. This might be not least a consequence of the blocking policy of the major journals.

      • Frechette

        There was a time in the early part of last century when German science, especially physics, was world class. In fact most important scientific journals where published in Germany. Foreign Phd students studied German as a second language because of this predominance.
        Those days are over unfortunately.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          After the end of WW2, some of the best German scientists have been compulsorily ‚exported’ to the USA. One of the most prominent examples is Wernher von Braun. Without him, we would not have seen a successful Apollo 11 mission in 1969. For the sake of completeness, it must be mentioned that the USSR had as well ‘confiscated’ leading German scientists, at least for a certain period of time. Manfred von Ardenne is one example. I am accusing neither the USA nor the USSR for their behaviour with respect to this – it was Germany who had started the war –, but one might infer from this facet of history how important outstanding talents are, in comparison to the average.

          • Omega Z

            The involvement of Braun undoubtedly effected the timeline, but not the outcome. The U.S., UK & other countries already had their own rocketeers prior to WWII & all benefited from WWII support that advanced their research.

            As to any U.S. achievements, pretty much all can be technically attributed as International achievements as the U.S. is a blended population of the world.

            But regardless of heritage, one has to love the pioneers. It was they who put man on the moon in less then 10 years. Mainstreamers give us LEO.(Low Earth Orbit) for the last 40 years.

            • Frechette

              America’s rocket capabilities were on public display with the launching attempt of a satellite by the US Navy under Project Vanguard December 1957.

              It turned out to be a fiasco and dismal failure.

              It was Von Braun’s designed Juno rocket based on the V-2 that finally was successful on January 31 1958.
              It turned out to be a good night for the Germans and the US Space Program.

          • Frechette

            The German scientists which were shipped off to the USSR were in many cases kidnapped or threatened with reprisals against their families if they did not co operate. That’s a human rights violation which cannot be justified by what took place in 1939. Incidentally the USSR attacked Poland a few weeks after the German attack in September. No western power bothered to declared war on Stalin his misdeed.

    • Dods

      You would of thought that this simple concept as explained so well by Gordon, would find some space to fit in Pomp’s big head.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Pomp has the most wonderful name.

    • pg

      Ayer’s Rock (Uluru) principle of sort?

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    This article fails to provide context. It does not talk about the involvement of Industrial Heat, the peer-reviewed papers that support LENR and transmutation, or the slew of companies that claim to be racing toward commercialization.

    It isolates Rossi as a loony lone wolf and then asks his detractors who exalt theory but ignore experiment for their opinions. EPIC FAIL of journalism, Spiegel. Nice job. You missed the story of the century AGAIN.

    • Frechette

      Journalists are not scientists. They usually have a liberal arts degree followed by a couple of years training in journalism school. They possess zero scientific background. In some cases such as aviation accidents reports for instance they can’t even get their facts straight.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        However, there are counter-examples, like Michael Odenwald from German FOCUS, who is an astrophysicist. But even without a formal academic education it is possible to recognize the essential points. I strongly plead for protecting those who do not fit in the usual scheme from being put into the same basket with the rest – in any part of society.

        • Frechette

          There are exceptions but in my experience they are far and few.

      • Gerrit

        Many of the science “journalists” are actually scientists. They see themselves in the noble duty of informing the (stupid) public about the greatness of science. What they actually do is take prewritten Nature and Science Journal news bits and dumbing them further down to the level of their magazine’s readership.

        Much like flipping burgers in a fast food restaurant.

        There are very, very few science journalists who are capable of writing real investigative journalism on science topics.