Indian Government Urged to Revive Cold Fusion Research Program (Rossi’s E-Cat Cited)

An article published on the Indian Business Standard web site reports that some ‘top nuclear scientists in India are urging the newly elected government to revive a ‘cold fusion’ research program with a view to solving the many energy problems facing the country.

Mahadevan Srinivasan, who was involved in an earlier cold fusion program at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Mumbai said “We are making a frantic effort to revive cold fusion/LENR research in India . . . Former Atomic Energy Commission chairman Srikumar Banerjee is solidly backing me (in this effort).” He said he was trying to get the government under Prime Minister Modi to start a task force to investigate cold fusion.

Srinivasan cites work by Andrea Rossi that has shown that mass-production of suitcase-sized reactors is possible.

He states, “One such LENR generator located in each village and powering a local village-level micro-grid can work wonders . . . It is hoped that the new government will take cognition of this breakthrough development and take necessary steps to foster this new technology in India.”

Srinivasan said that he met with the Indian energy minister last week about the topic. He also referenced the fact that an LENR research center is being set up in Baoding, China.

It seems from this report and others we have been following here at E-Cat World that there is a definite shift in favor of LENR taking place these days. People with insight and influence are starting to discuss this topic openly and and discuss it with key decision makers. I expect that this kind of activity will continue and accelerate over time.

  • bitplayer

    It’s always useful to look at the process by which things get decided, which means looking at the people who are involved in the decision making.

    Indian Prime Minister Modi likes homeopathy, which is used in India far more than anywhere else. Think what you might about homeopathy, Modi is not afraid of ignoring science dogma.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNmc-mp-8iQ

  • bitplayer

    This is the best news all day. In the war of baryons versus leptons, LENR is the middle way.

  • Fortyniner

    Wikipedia is a reliable source of misinformation.

  • GreenWin

    Bringing CF out of the classified closet is the first step. Any technology that can limit human suffering must be allowed to evolve. The best thing India could do for its technology industry would be to restart its LENR R&D programs. The prestige alone will bring a spotlight to India’s science programs.

  • Ophelia Rump

    They will work it out. It is a problem for politicians. The fate of mankind should not be decided poorly because it would require a tax adjustment.
    That reasoning is is somewhere between preposterous and bat guano insane.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yep.

  • builditnow

    Cold Fusion is a leapfrog technology, like cell phones have been to land lines. No need for all the expensive power lines and big expensive power stations.

    The fast way forward for the Indian Prime Minister is to approve and manufacture E-Cats that have been waiting approval in the US for a couple of years. E-Cats could be approved immediately for use in India and manufacturing cold start immediately. Build It Now could be a good motto for them.

  • Veblin
  • Bob Greenyer

    Just consider that India subsidises JUST petroleum to the tune of over USD 10 billion per year (and this is much lower than in previous years) I have watched the suffering in India as oil subsidies – to see what benefit successful investment in LENR could yield. Modi wants to take the opportunity of falling oil prices to remove subsidy – but they’ll be back up and a solution would be good politically.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-21/india-s-modi-ends-fuel-subsidies-showing-he-is-a-reformer

    It would be in India interests to invest $3 billion this year alone.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I can confirm this initiative is genuine.

    The MFMP has been in regular contact with Mahadevan Srinivasan and, as reported on slide 19 of our ICCF-18 presentation, I met the then head of BARC in January 2013 in Trivandrum, Southern India where it was agreed that BARC would be happy to test any device we could present them as part of our second phase, independent body replications.

    This great initiative spearheaded by the affable Mahadevan Srinivasan is to commence a well funded research program in India and I hope to be able to go back to India, as per his request, in the first quarter of next year to help Mahadevan with launching of this effort.

    • Sanjeev

      Bob, just ask for joining the proposed task force as a member of MFMP. They will benefit greatly from the accumulated experience and knowledge of MFMP.
      I’m sure Srinivasan will agree. As you are a non-profit org, the gov should have no issues.
      We (LENR enthusiasts) will benefit too as you will be our first hand source of information about the activities of the task force.(if its formed at all).

      • Bob Greenyer

        Sanjeev, Mahadevan has already requested our involvement, and we are only too happy to assist. I hope to be able to help with presentations and Q&A at the beginning of next year.

        • Sanjeev

          That’s great !

        • Fortyniner

          That is excellent news. The more minds brought to bear on LENR, the better, and if relatively ‘unregulated’ India is the first to commercial production, that would probably be about the best news the world could receive.

  • BroKeeper

    I wouldn’t be surprised TATA the largest Indian corporation with over 100 industries will heavily invest in LENR development. Its companies are diverse from automobile, chemicals to power/energy to easily handle any resource needed for LENR device manufacturing – a ‘potential’ investment opportunity.

    http://www.tata.com/products/index/Products-and-services#Power

    • Bob Greenyer

      Ratan Tata is very progressive thinker and I was personally told in 2005 by his leading diesel engine designer over dinner in southern France that he did not want his birth country to go the way of the west and be reliant on oil and gas.

      In April 2005 at my own expense, I visited Guy Negre’s factory in Nice and his “Air Car”. Two years later, that same engineer had worked with Ratan and Guy to enable an investment of over USD 20 million into Guy’s invention and the Tata Nano (the famous $1000 car) was devised to be the platform to take the engine when it is ready – not a lot of people know that! Anyhow, you might ask – why no Nano with air engine – well, cars in India have historically had a very long manufacturing life, for instance the Maruti 800 – but way longer than that is the Ambassador, which was made during the British rule, and only just stopped being made.

      http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/energy_news/2008/01/

      And the beauty of the Air car – it can store excess energy as compressed air and the range is extended 3X by having something hot in the heat exchangers between the cylinders, anyone know anything that runs hot?

  • Gerrit

    I would like to highlight this:

    “The journal “Current Science” published by Bangalore-based Indian
    Academy of Sciences has proposed to bring out a special section on cold
    fusion in one of the upcoming issues with contributions from scientists
    working in this field.”

    btw. some dimwitted wikipedia editors assessed the journal “current science” as not reliable, because they deemed the peer review was not working properly, because the journal published papers on cold fusion. Same editors refused to mention NASA’s work in the cold fusion article.

    • Gerrit

      from wikipedia cold fusion talk page:

      : “Current Science is not reliable. It is some low grade non-peer reviewed journal. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:48, 20 January 2012

  • Gerrit

    If India’s politicians knew what China is already working on (with Industrial Heat), they would find enough reasons to support this.

  • http://renewable.50webs.com/ Christopher Calder

    India has all the skills and talent needed to become a big player in LENR. If they get into it in a big way, actual pragmatic results, not just talk, are very likely.

    • Bob Greenyer

      They have very affordable SCR based controllers, furnace equipment manufacturers and very cheap resistor winding companies. Plus some of the best electronics ad software engineers in the world.

  • ecatworld

    Rossi was informed about this article today on the JONP:

    Andrea Rossi

    November 17th, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    Frank Acland, Pietro F., George:
    Very interesting!
    It appears we moved the mountains!
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • timycelyn

    He states, “One such LENR generator located in each village and powering a local village-level micro-grid can work wonders . . . It is hoped that the new government will take cognition of this breakthrough development and take necessary steps to foster this new technology in India.”

    This is a direction that would play both to the natural strengths of this technology (small is beautiful) and runs fundamentally counter to the possible agendas of TPTB in developed world countries.

    As has been often discussed here, there will be strong pressure in EU, USA to keep energy generation from this technology firmly in the hands of the current energy industry, and very far away from the small man. (Vested interests, tax raising, etc etc)

    I have felt for quite some time that China & India will have quite different agendas, as this quote now clearly illustrates.

    If they at least partially opt for allowing decentralised LENR generation, thus avoiding the need to install infrastructure, then the days of monolithic energy monopolies in the West will be numbered.

    I predict that within 10 years of such technolgy being freely avaialble to the small man in either of these countries, you will be able to go out to B&Q or Home Depot and buy it.

    Getting there will be lots of fun, though…..

    • mcloki

      It’s the tax revenue that get dinged. And it would be a double hit. Utilities would mothball huge Utility debts which the government would have to pick up and eventually pass on to consumers. And if the e-cat generates electricity all the lost revenue from lost gasoline taxes would be a double hit as people switch to electric vehicles. Now I’m sure they would raise vehicle registration and road taxes to compensate but all fuel taxes from automotive and heating would stop being collected. That’s going to to sting a lot of governments. Municipal on up.

      • timycelyn

        Yup. Ways out for government are:

        Plan A. Stop it – keep it centralised.
        Plan B. E – cat operator’s license at 10-20,000$ p.a.
        Plan C. Put it on income tax instead…..

        • Ophelia Rump

          Governments will always find ways to raise taxes, there is nothing wrong with an old tax revenue stream becoming obsolete.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          Particularly important is the implementation of point A, the order is perfect.
          Citizens are constantly being deprived of their independence.
          No more cash circulating, that can be stored “illegally” (read without consent); rather, virtual figures and virtual credit or debit, such that can be ‘switched off’ – anytime.
          Debt, for individuals to purchase dreams – cars, homes, and necessities – even food.
          The internet (free information) is a difficult beast, in many countries it is tamed or enslaved. The excuse to control it will be ‘to protect’ citizens.
          Sadly, I fear that energy is not likely to be left for individual citizens to manage autonomously.

      • Bob Greenyer

        You don’t need to raise so much tax when everything you have to pay for has a massive cut in its energy cost.

        • Fortyniner

          In most Western countries the bulk of tax receipts go to social expenditure – health, education, social security and pensions. Unfortunately these costs would be largely unaffected by cheaper energy.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Every hospital and health workers energy needs would be reduced, every teacher and schools cost would be reduced, the cost of public transport and water would be reduced for the poor. In the UK, if cold weather is below a certain temp for a certain period of time, the pensioners receive a winter fuel payment, the reason for this is that many pensioners don’t have mortgages, they do have gas, electricity and water bills – all will be very much reduced by cheap energy. Governments calculate their social payments based on the cost of living, they surely would not keep them the same if the cost of living massively reduced.

  • Sanjeev

    This article reveals so many things and shows that the winds are changing.
    1] Business Standard is very much a mainstream publication, read by CEOs and such. Its a surprise that they allowed this. Even more surprising is that the reporter did not insert the favorite “sun in a test tube” hare brained metaphor there. No question marks either.
    2] Top guys are paying attention now. Most probably, Gates visit to ENEA triggered this article.
    3] BARC replicated F&P but was silenced due to “global peer pressure”, whatever that is.
    4] Rossi is now an accepted name among peers.
    5] Baoding, China may start manufacturing Ecats soon.(unconfirmed).

    • Bob Greenyer

      You have to understand that Mahadevan is starting from a mental basis of knowing that the technology is real (though the old Pd D research from way back never showed commercially useful excess), he saw it with his own experiments.

      It is much harder for people that do not have this contact to feel as he does.

      Knowing that something is potentially possible changes the whole perception of news of new descoveries.

  • Julian Becker

    Andrea Rossi mentioned in his blog UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School. Whats the connection?

    website:

    http://www.kenan-flagler.unc.edu/

    • Julian Becker

      the customer? 😉 Providing heat for the campus as a test for the E-Cat?

      • Ophelia Rump

        The Customer is a factory. But is The Customer the only customer?

        • Fortyniner

          There doesn’t seem to be any indication of others – which worries me profoundly.

          • Freethinker

            I think he has delivered atleast one container to another customer.

            But regardless, he need to get cracking on the product at hand. If he and his team can get an OK on the delivery from that customer, it will be easier to take on others. In the beginning it will be a bit hands on, and adaptation to the customer’s need, a learning curve in implementation, improvement in product, etc, and likely Rossi want to be there himself for those few initial customers.

            When there is one successful case to point at, there will be many more knocking on IH’s door.

            • Ophelia Rump

              To some degree they need to get away from supporting customers directly as soon as possible. They should be licensing technology. It will require tens of thousands of teams to retrofit the world. They need to prove themselves and ship core product, not fiddle with old boiler retrofits directly. There is no significant growth future in that.

              • Freethinker

                No doubt, you are right.

              • Fortyniner

                No, but retrofit ‘kits’ would be cheaper than all-new plant, and would minimise down-time for installation. In most cases, compact CF boilers could be installed alongside existing gas, coal or oil fired boilers to offer customers the assurance of a fall-back in the event of failure.

                Just meeting this existing market would be a decades-long challenge even for a consortium of multinational manufacturers, without looking for growth prospects. Fears of IP compromise may restrict growth more than other factors, by limiting recipients to those who can provide secured locations. This would in any case become mandatory of CF is legally classified as a nuclear process.

          • ecatworld

            Reading Rossi these days, they are still working on solving unspecified problems with the 1 MW plant at a customer site. Today he said that the plant would only be unveiled after it has been working without problems for one year, so it could be some time before other customers are on board.

            • Freethinker

              Yes, but he was also cryptic about time:

              “Obviously the time scheduling in such cases is not chronometry: one year is an approximative term.”

              • ecatworld

                Ok, good — he keeps us guessing!

                • Freethinker

                  😀 Yes… It could mean less, it could mean more ….

            • Fortyniner

              There are probably many ways to skin this particular cat (someone must have used that one before!). What worries me is that only one or two designs are apparently being developed, seemingly in plodding, linear fashion. We need hundreds of designs from different minds under parallel development if we (the human race) are to develop optimally designed cold fusion reactors in any reasonable time frame.

      • Julian Becker

        I mean why is he mentioning that Business School of the University of North Carolina? He never did before. Is there a connection to IH there?

        • Julian Becker

          Sorry. I got it now that the link works. It is quite old…2011

        • ecatworld

          What Rossi is saying is if you search “William Mc Donough and Thomas Darden-UNC- Kenan-Flagler”, you will get to the video of Darden and McDonough speaking at the Kenan Flager business school.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQHvmYEOVI

          I think this was before IH was formed — but it gives you an idea (according to Rossi) of the philosophy of Industrial Heat. We know Darden is involved, and McDonough probably too based on statements he has made about LENR, and Rossi saying he has met McDonough in the IH factory

    • Ophelia Rump

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQHvmYEOVI

      Litterally Rossi gave you, youtube web search terms.
      His link to video was bad

      William Mc Donough and Thomas Darden-UNC- Kenan-Flagler

      Mc Donough and Darden give a lecture.
      Cradle to Cradle

      • Heath

        It makes me wonder how long Rossi knew Darden before the IP was acquired in 2012 (I believe) and how many of the comments about a robotic factory and the Customer had to do with their discussions about the future of the e-cat and its distribution. Once the customer is known, the patent is a done deal, I hope we can get this background info so that everything makes sense.

        • Ophelia Rump

          According to that video, in 2011 Darden and Mc Donough had no concerns related to energy. They felt that solar and wind would be sufficient if necessary. Mc Donough plans entire new cities of 20 Million for China, they both think big picture top level management. As big as LENR is I think they have a much bigger plan where LENR is only one leg of the table.

  • Ophelia Rump

    How many elephants can you hide on one room?
    How long will even the motivated be able to pretend they are not there?

    • ecatworld

      Today the BBC published an article about the Lockheed nuclear fusion project (“Confusion about fusion”), and still are not impressed with cold fusion.

      “The amazing potential for cheap energy that is carbon and waste-free is enough to send shivers down your spine.”

      “But then again so was the cold fusion idea”.

      “This could suffer a similar fate.”

      http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29710811

      • Ophelia Rump

        You need some rest my friend. You are just felling a little run down.
        There is a pressure building building like a flood behind a wall, the wall is swelling and the rivets have loosened and are rattling, spouting tiny fountains here and there. That wall can not hold much longer.

        • Gerard McEk

          A dike! A dike, the BBC reporter cried, but the wall was collapsing and his voice was silenced. He should have cried for a boat to conquer the ever swelling waves. That would have brought him to his new home, a sunny LENR heated house at a beautiful distant place in nature.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Fusion scientists fell victims of con-troll problems and had become con-fused 🙂

      • Fortyniner

        These days the BBC is little more than a mouthpiece for political disinformation. Admitting the facts would derail Cameron’s ‘new nuclear’ agenda.

        • bitplayer

          Reluctant +1, from tracking the UK through the Economist (a highly distorted lens in itself). In contrast, I see such gummint control less likely in ‘Merica. It’s the time zones.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Wow, very sophisticated! And maybe someday we’ll have cell phones made with vacuum tubes and cathode ray screens.

  • Freethinker

    That’s the spirit!