Brillouin Tritium Production and Replication Rumor

I thought I would make a separate thread regarding a comment made on the Always On Thread by LCD regarding Brillouin Energy. As always, remember this is a rumor, and should be handled with care! Below is a series of comments and responses made on the thread.

LCD • 2 days ago
There is a rumor going around that Brilloin has gotten repeatable high SNR levels of tritium and are having others repeat the findings before publishing.

If I’ve heard it I’m sure there are others.

LENR G • a day ago
Can you perhaps qualify “others” a bit for us? University labs? Roughly how many?

Does this mean independent scientific teams are getting some alone time with the Brillouin reactor? Or were they just supplied some gas samples which could have come from anywhere?

LCD LENR G • a day ago
I would love to tell you everything but I’m respecting the fact that they want to do replications before publishing and going public. My whole reason for saying this is that I was hoping that others, whom I know know of it, would come out in the open and say more. It’s not a small effort.

Also tritium is an important clue in any theory so as we all try to figure out the underlying reason for the effect, I thought that bit of info was helpful.

LCD • an hour ago
I can say this, the replication and publishing should happen within the next two weeks according to my sources.

  • Omega Z

    These unknowns are likely the very reason that Rossi can not get a UL certification without the safety data that will be accumulated from industrial use.

    As many have stated, no radiation, However, Just like you, I have noted the elevated radiation levels at every test. Still within background levels, but all the same, elevated above where they began.

    Ultimately, I think it will pass muster for home heating, But it is necessary to error on the side of precaution. Safety data will need collected.

    As to neutrons, They were reported in 1 test. However we have no idea as to the circumstances. Maybe Rossi’s technology has evolved beyond that point & it’s present design does not allow that.

  • GordonDocherty

    If these devices run away, they melt – that is, all NAEs are destroyed. It is totally fail safe…

  • Ophelia Rump

    Not really. Understanding is not a requirement if the devices are safe as designed.
    However novel LENR designs may present novel issues, like tritium production.
    Tritium is radioactive, the Rossi device produces no radioactive waste products, so the Rossi device produces no Tritium.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Up to now, we have not seen an analysis of possible gaseous reaction products in the E-Cat. Tritium that is not bound in a non-volatile form would escape when the fuel is removed from the reactor. So we cannot be sure if it is produced or not.

  • ecatworld

    Yes, it’s nothing personal, Anon. It’s just your comments are in the queue.

  • ecatworld

    Tritium production is a sign of nuclear activity — which is good evidence for LENR. However there might be some who see danger based on the potentially hazardous nature of tritium.

    “Tritium is an isotope of hydrogen, which allows it to readily bind to hydroxyl radicals, forming tritiated water (HTO), and to carbon atoms. Since tritium is a low energy beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally (its beta particles are unable to penetrate the skin),[19] but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food or water, or absorbed through the skin.[20][21][22][23] HTO has a short biological half-life in the human body of 7 to 14 days, which both reduces the total effects of single-incident ingestion and precludes long-term bioaccumulation of HTO from the environment.[22][24]Biological half life of tritiated water in human body, which is a measure of body water turn over, varies with season. Studies on biological half life of occupational radiation workers for free water tritium in the coastal region of Karnataka, India show that the biological half life in winter season is twice that of the summer season.[25]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

    • BillH

      I’m going to show my ignorance now, but I didn’t think Tritium was an isotope? Isn’t it a molecule with 3 atoms of Hydrogen, and Deuterium a molecule with 2 atoms of Hydrogen?
      Isotopes have different configurations within the nucleus.

      • Warthog

        Hydrogen is 1 proton circled by one electron (no neutrons).
        Deuterium is 1 proton plus one neutron circled by one electron.
        Tritium is 1 proton plus two neutrons circled by one electron.

        Hydrogen and deuterium are both stable isotopes. Tritium is radioactive.

        • Fortyniner

          All three isotopes normally exist as molecules containing two atoms such as H2 or D2. Just to complicate the issue, the various isotopes can also form ‘mixed’ molecules (one of each isotope) such as H-D or hydrogen deuteride (which could just as easily be described as ‘deuterium hydride’).

          • georgehants

            Morning Peter, nothing to say, just hello.

            • Fortyniner

              Morning George. Ever get the feeling that we are all just ‘treading water’ at the moment?

              • georgehants

                Well, it seems to me that there is progress, I note that if some of the reports coming out now from many places had happened two years ago we would have been very excited at any of them.
                We are just getting used to the fact that it is actuary beginning to break free.
                If you like I can write you a few volumes about why we are still ‘treading water’ but I will control myself and not put you through that torture, Ha.

                • Fortyniner

                  Thanks for that, George! Treading water with great expectations, perhaps.

                  Perhaps a better analogy is waiting for the bread to bake. One way or another it looks like three years of expectation may come to fruition soon – but as a Brit I try not to get too excited, even about this.

                • georgehants

                  Peter, it is the most exciting thing scientifically for us guys since the Quantum that very few could follow as we can with the internet and ECW.
                  Let us enjoy the situation as best we can knowing that with the right “attitude” Cold Fusion could now be known throughout the World with thousands of good scientists pushing it forward.
                  I am looking out of my window across mounts bay with good feelings and am off shortly to a very good carvery for a meal and just possibly a glass or two of red.
                  Best to you and all the great people on page that fight for Cold Fusion.
                  Thanks to FRANK for the time he spends on the subject and for putting-up with me.

                • Fortyniner

                  Agreed – the hopefully unhindered exploration of new science is almost as exciting as the changes that will come from cheaper, cleaner, non-dependent energy.

                  Your new location sounds wonderful (I know the view) and I hope you enjoy your lunch. Have a pleasant day.

                • Omega Z

                  Two very excited Brits aboard a Cruise line.

                  I dare say, I think we are sinking.
                  Yes, I believe your right ol chap. Shall we have another cup of tea before we go for a swim?

  • LuFong

    Here’s the ICCF18 Brillouin presentation where they mention tritium production replication from Los Alamos National Lab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=v9Uoxtd9504#t=232

    The video is only 13 minutes, a little over 1 year old, and very good for understanding what Brillouin is up to. According to the video they should be ready by now with a commercial product working with industrial OEMs for retrofitting polluting power plants. Maybe we will be hearing more about this shortly.

    Next ICCF19 is this upcoming April in Italy.

  • US_Citizen71

    Tritium can be produced by neutron radiation being absorbed by Lithium. Would it be fair to conclude that Rossi’s 200 COP test likely produced Tritium assuming the same fuel load was used in the last third party test was used in the 200 COP test?

  • Daniel Maris

    Replication AND publication within two weeks sounds unlikely! But if it happens, I will be cheering.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    John Bockris at Texas A&M found tritium in his DOE funded replication of F&P’s experiment in 1989. Where did that get us? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k 13:20 min.

    • Warthog

      Bockris was pilloried by a crooked journalist and several jealous professors at Texas A & M. His results were ignored. Others who have published positive results have been treated to the same witch hunts. It is NOT a pretty picture, and some academics have a great deal to apologize for…….though they never will.

      • psi2u2

        Let’s give the few who may the chance.

  • Dods

    I take that when it’s published Franks site will get the scoop.
    It is without doubt one of the best news outlets for all things COLDFUSIONLENR related.
    Thank you LCD for the good news.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Please make an effort to be a little more pedestrian friendly, why is tritium significant?

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      Because it doesn’t grow on trees.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Oh tritium is the famous Hydrogen-3 that they have been dreaming of mining off the moon for decades, that is exciting!

        • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

          Like the Ni62 blobs in the Lugano ash, significant levels of tritium would clearly signal nuclear events taking place in LENR reactors.

          If that gets proven then scientists will be all-in. Are we about to get multiple unambiguous confirmations of the “impossible?”

          • Ophelia Rump

            Oh, OK so it is a double bonus. This seems to be the week for LENR.

          • US_Citizen71

            No they might just secretly run the LENR setup to produce the tritium for hot fusion tests and never comment on the source.

            • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

              I know you’re only joking but that made me throw up in my mouth a little.

              • US_Citizen71

                Never discount greed or stubbornness in admitting that one is wrong when predicting human behavior. But yes more than likely if they publish enough for an independent replication of their results the mighty ship of science will likely begin to turn.

              • Alan DeAngelis

                That’s no joke.

                From page 49 of Frank Close’s 1991 book Too Hot to Handle. http://www.amazon.com/Too-Hot-Handle-Race-Fusion/dp/0691085919

                “…Tritium is an essential fuel in thermonuclear weapons; it is also a product of dd fusion – the very process that the Utah chemists claimed to be able to make happen inexpensively in a test tube. The US military were already spending vast sums on making tritium for warheads and the reactors that were used for this process had been closed, pending repairs, in 1988 as a result of nervousness about reactor safety following the Chernobyl accident. The repair and building new reactors would cost billions of dollars, so when test-tube fusion entered the scene the military took note at once, recognizing the potential of test-tube fusion as a source of much-needed tritium. This sort of
                application of test-tube fusion also impressed Indian Government scientists who decided that western nations would soon classify test-tube fusion as a secret; thus India mounted an immediate test-tube fusion research effort so as to ‘get in on the ground floor’….”

                • bitplayer

                  Yeah, but…

                  You have to be able to make a fission bomb (A-Bomb) in order to make a fusion bomb (H-Bomb). If an evil-doer can make a fission bomb, then we have a problem already. Plus, it’s not easy to get from an a fission bomb to a fusion bomb; historically it has required several tests, which means making several fission bombs to drive the test fusion bombs. So it’s not a “terrorist” threat. It’s just an extremely unpleasant aspect of life on this planet that I prefer to think about as little as possible.

                  Let’s hope LENR helps reduce resource shortages, so there will be fewer excuses for such weapons to exist in the the world.

                • Fortyniner

                  ‘Test tube fusion’ presumably meaning cold fusion?

                • artefact

                  Yes. “Utah chemists” = Fleischmann & Pons

              • friendlyprogrammer

                Ditto

            • GreenWin

              Don’t forget tritium is a prime and shortlived component of most nuclear warheads. It’s the secret sauce that goes BOOM!! And lines the pockets of defense contractors.

              • US_Citizen71

                Not good that could make Brillouins entire line of research fall under national security concerns and prevent sales of their reactor designs and further research without government blessing and license.

            • Obvious

              Maybe just stick it into those glowing key chains….

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium_illumination

          • psi2u2

            Sounds very probable to me at this point.O wait, that’s impossible….

          • Omega Z

            Of course not. It is impossible so obviously some one contaminated the sample. Ask John Bockris

        • US_Citizen71

          There goes the budget for the moon base.; )

          • Ophelia Rump

            Moon Base Alpha is safe once more.

            • US_Citizen71

              Maybe not Tritium decays into Helium-3 and has a half life of about 12 years. It would be cheaper to produce the Tritium and wait then mine the Helium-3 on the moon. Interesting stuff.

              ‘Lithium[edit]

              Tritium is produced in nuclear reactors by neutron activation of lithium-6. This is possible with neutrons of any energy, and is an exothermic reaction yielding 4.8 MeV. In comparison, the fusion of deuterium with tritium releases about 17.6 MeV of energy.

              6
              3Li + n → 4
              2He ( 2.05 MeV ) + 3
              1T ( 2.75 MeV )

              High-energy neutrons can also produce tritium from lithium-7 in an endothermic reaction, consuming 2.466 MeV. This was discovered when the 1954 Castle Bravonuclear test produced an unexpectedly high yield.[3]

              7
              3Li + n → 4
              2He + 3
              1T + n

              High-energy neutrons irradiating boron-10 will also occasionally produce tritium:[4]

              10
              5B + n → 2 4
              2He + 3
              1T

              A more common result of boron-10 neutron capture is 7Li and a single alpha particle.[5]

              The reactions requiring high neutron energies are not attractive production methods.’ – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

              • Ophelia Rump

                When you shine, you sparkle too, brilliant!
                Thank you!

                • US_Citizen71

                  Thanks

            • psi2u2

              Alpha Halleluiah.

            • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

              I calculated that your tritium mining would have caused an explosion and threw the moon out of orbit.

        • Curbina

          I think you are confusing it with Helium 3 Ophelia.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Thanks you are correct, sorry.

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    I appreciate LCD’s willingness to share what he can.

    Looks like we have another chance for a watershed moment coming up in a week or two.