Andrea Rossi Comments on Open Letter to Stefan Pomp (Then Deletes)

Patrik Wiksten has posted an open letter to Uppsala University (Sweden) professor Stefan Pomp who has been critical of the work of the authors of the Lugano E-Cat report (and the previous one published last year), and has suggested that the whole E-Cat affair is a fraud.

Wiksten does not claim in his letter that the E-Cat is proven, but he does ask that Pomp be less closed minded in his refusal to take seriously the research surrounding the E-Cat and other LENR experiments. He states:

The thing is mr Pomp, you are an authority. Mainstream media won’t dare to touch something this controversial, especially when you, as an authority, chose to accuse the whole team including Rossi as a fraud. Because that’s what you’re doing with your “The cat is Dead” with your wink at Schrodinger. Because of this, people in general doesn’t get the full story. And as you know every story has two sides…

Someone posted a link to this open letter on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and Andrea Rossi commented on it — and then apparently deleted the comment, because it can’t be found on the JONP any more. The response has been captured, however, in a screenshot posted on the LENR forum. By the formatting. It looks like the screen capture comes from the Rossilivecat.com site, but I can’t find the original on that site either. Perhaps when Rossi deletes from the JONP, the entry is deleted from Rossilivecat. I suppose there is an outside chance that this is a total forgery, but I doubt it. The style is certainly Rossi’s.

Here is the text of Rossi’s (now deleted) apparent response:

Andrea Rossi
October 19th, 2014 at 10:45 PM
Patrik Wiksten:
I do not know if you will read this comment, because probably you do not know we published the link to your “Open Letter” published on LENR Forum.
I just want to thank you for the paradigma you offered of a Galilean way of thinking opposed to a paradigma of “Sancta Inquisitio” way of thinking.
The Professors just made measurements, and, while I agree upon the difficulty to reconcile the 62Ni percentage shift, I did not see any serious critic of the calculations, while I saw many clowneries, like ” the clamps have been swapped” (false), ” the calculation of the resistances shows that the E-Cat does not respect the Ohm’s
Law” (false, the resistances do not have a linear response to the temperature in the coil of the E-Cat and the heat dissipation is totally different from the copper cables), ” the color of the alumina at 1300°C is whiite heat” ( stupidity, Alumina becomes White heat only when it melts at 2070°C and compare it to the glass is an elementary mistake), “the multiplication of voltage time amperage gives an amount of energy superior to the one declared” ( yes, but the control system continues to change the phase angle, and this wtong calculation has been made assuming that the values are always at the peak, and this is obviously wrong” and so on, with a theory that assumes that the Professors of the ITP are not able to connect a Wattmeter, to measure a Temperature, and insulting them: exactly like the Sancta Inquisitio, who wanted to burn alive Galileo, just because he was discovering something that was
different from the consolidated and universally shared knowledge of the time.
About ” The Cat is dead”: I am sorry for Dr Pomp, but the Cat is very healthy and on the verge of a commercial breakthrough, because to make him alive or dead is not the Sancta Inquisitio of Dr Pomp, is the market. If the Customer makes profits with the E-Cat, it is alive, otherwise it is not: I can assure the Cat is pretty healthy:
makes many exercise, does not drink alcohol, does not get illegal drugs and somebody has experienced it could be a tiger; not counting the fact that the Cat has not used a single cent of the Taxpayer.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

  • LCD

    Isn’t point 3 what people were claiming as the only real source of confusion? Even if it somehow were true wouldn’t that mean the cop was above 1 anyway? This would not change the energy density by orders of magnitude so in the end it is still above chemical, right?

    Also what was your take on the resistance not matching up with what was expected?

    Thanks

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Point 3: I think those who do not agree with the measurements will criticize any measurement, but to say the probe was backwards and measurements were off by factor of three is absurd. Most careful scientists and technicians make multiple measurements with more than one device when testing devices. A simple clamp-on hand held meter could have been used to measure the magnitude of the RMS current and even using an estimate for the line voltage, you could calculate an estimated input power. Finding a factor of three difference would be an easy test.

      Resistance: I did not look at this carefully, but I think the controversy arises over the fact that the IR measurement differs from the predicted joule heating. In a read of the report, I did not see any estimate of thermal conduction through the wires. Perhaps part of the difference was heat conducted through the wires, heating the entrance wire much hotter than the joule heating. The non-linear result of active verses passive might also be due to some sort of energy generation in the alumina surrounding the wires, heating the exit wires more than the joule heating alone of the passive test. One point, though — the numbers are small, so even if we chalk them up to errors, it does not invalidate a COP much greater than one.

      One point that I find hard to understand is a negative resistance verses temperature change. It is easy to find Negative Temperature Change devices (usually a semiconductor material), but I am not aware of NTC metallic materials. Perhaps a portion of the wire is in fact melting, but remains a conducting path. Mercury, a metal that is liquid at room temperature still conducts well.

      • LCD

        Yeah that bugs me too

  • LCD

    you seem to have something there but I got lost. Perhaps you could rephrase?

  • jousterusa

    Sandy, I hope you get to read “An Impossible Invention” by Mats Lewan. I am enjoying it tremendously, and for the first time have been able to see his very strong intellectual ability in the many ways it’s been exercised over the poast 20 years. He has really come through the fire and is an intellect and a man to be reckoned with. Mats’ book is full of true anecdotes and provides a very thorough foundation for understanding the man who conquered the Coulomb barrier and mastered cold fusion. It is a very, very readable book, very interesting and detailed as to the challenges and assaults he has faced in his life, which would have stopped or crippled a lesser man. As a young man he set a world record for the longest run, which took 24 hours of straight running. Rossi has arrived and he’s here to stay!

  • jousterusa

    What a great response from Rossi! He is still a boxer and a champion!

  • Omega Z

    Priceless. And well deserved I might add.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Would you mind sharing what inputs to enter into which calculator and such? Was it the 3-Phase Delta (Balanced Load) calculator?
    Can you please share how you derived that conclusion. It would be so scientific of you.

    You have left me befuddled, I simply do not know where to begin to draw that conclusion from what you have pointed to.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I thought I looked fabulous in it, now it just seems geek chic.

  • Veblin

    With measured voltage, if resistance changes, then measured current changes.
    Measured voltage times measured current equals measured wattage.
    Ohm’s law respects Ohm’s law.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Which causes temperature change which changes resistance which changes current. All one happy little vortex.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I was thinking in terms of possibly the resistor also being a fuel source since it contains nickle. And if it was there might be some transfer due to sputtering. Which might influence the crystals in the ash.

    The cubes relate to Magnetocrystalline anisotropy in three or six axes.
    I have no idea of what the significance of that is.

  • Daniel Maris

    DickieFix – I think anyone sensible here understands what you are all about it and that therefore everything you say is cancelled out.

  • LCD

    Will somebody please ask Rossi when the provisional non-published patents on the more sensitive parts of the ecat will become public?

    • Ophelia Rump

      I would love to know that too!

  • Ophelia Rump

    So the hat is not priceless?

    • robyn wyrick

      Ophelia, that is freaking hilarious! Just cracked me right up. I am generally a big fan of civility, especially on these pages, but that is a brilliant gibe. “So the hat is not priceless” – that is awesome. Can I steal it? (Seriously, no irony, it’s just a great joke)

      • Ophelia Rump

        I was not jibing bachcole. I was speaking of my hat.

        I think he understood that, hopefully.

  • clovis ray

    did a little googling, on Inconel; is a family of austenitic nickel-chromium-based superalloys.

    Austenite, also known as gamma phase iron (γ-Fe), is a metallic, non-magnetic allotrope of iron or a solid solution of iron, with an alloying element.

    ‎Allotrope of iron – ‎Austenitization –

    Austempering is heat treatment that is applied to ferrous metals, most notably steel and ductile iron. In steel it produces a bainite microstructure

    • Ophelia Rump

      small amounts of niobium combine with nickel to form the intermetallic compound Ni3Nb or gamma prime (γ’). Gamma prime forms small cubic crystals that inhibit slip and creep effectively at elevated temperatures.[10]

      Sounds familiar. It reminds me of the cubic crystals in the powder.

  • Gerrit

    and aluminium. and probably aluminia too.

  • Josh G

    OK, nice work. But this looks pretty flat across the range of temperatures. We’d need something that has a high resistivity at low temperatures and much lower resistivity at higher temperatures.

    I have a feeling that whatever Inconel is used here is not a standard commercial product. Rossi has said it is doped.

    BTW, if anyone is curious, here is a link to a table listing the melting point of different metals and alloys, including different varieties of Inconel, starting on page 16. The highest melting point is for Inconel MA956 at 1482 C, which is I believe is well above the estimated temperature inside the E-cat.

    http://solarmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Critical-Melting-Point1.pdf

    And to think, a few days ago I didn’t even know what inconel was… 🙂

  • Jonnyb

    Good one.

  • timycelyn

    Andrea has given an unusually long and passionate response toa question on JONP regarding the Inonel wires. In the process he reveals both his irritation withthe questioner and the ‘Professor’ the questioner is citing.

    I’m afraid I am strugging with the detail but hope that those more expert here can translate this to a point where I may comprehend it!

    Andrew
    October 20th, 2014 at 3:17 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    I believe that there are some clarification that either you, or the professors through you have to make, to justify the relevance of the TPRII.
    You have already commented on this but your answer was not satisfying at all.
    You stated that the behaviour of the resistances changes and it’s Not linear (in particolar behaving as a negative resistance from 500-1200 and holding constant from that temperature on) .
    But we all know that inconel has not that characteristic, with or without reactions involved.
    Therefore i believe that you can’t just state that you cannot comment further on this, especially being aware that through the report some fundamental mistakes are carried out such as :
    Page 14:

    ”Measurements performed during the dummy run with the PCE and ammeter clamps allowed us to measure an average current, for each of the three C1 cables, of I1 = 19.7A, and, for each C2 cable, a current of I1 / 2 = I2 = 9.85 A.”

    That is sistematically wrong since I2=I1/1.732

    Andrea Rossi
    October 20th, 2014 at 11:36 AM
    Andrew:
    Your comment is a typical example of the effects of the stupidities made by fake experts like “Raman”, that act as Professors, but lack the foundamentals of Physics, Electronics and Electrotechnics. The effects are that persons like you, clearly missing a professional understanding of the matter, instead of reading seriously a Report written by 6 Professors with a life dedicated to Science and Physics in particular, read the stupidities of imbeciles with an agenda and make us loose time to answer to absurd objections. I am not angry at you, you are just a candid non-expert-person, I am angry because every stupidity gets attention and we, honestly, do not have the time to answer. As you have perhaps read, I already suggested as a reference the wonderful book “Electronics for Dummies” to the “Prof” you got inspiration from, but he does not listen to me and continues to repeat the same stupidities.
    Again:
    The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it. Your phrase “”with or without reactions involved” is pretty arrogant, and such arrogamce, perhaps, forbids you to try to understand what I wrote. If you read carefully what I wrote and what is written in the Report, you will see that “with or without reactions” is a stupidity. The nature and composition of the coils are of paramount importance in our IP and for obvious reasons I will not give any more information, albeit you demand to me not to “state that (I) cannot comment further on this, ESPECIALLY BEING AWARE THAT THROUGH THE REPORT SOME FUNDAMENTAL ( SIC!) MISTAKES ARE CARRIED OUT, SUCH AS..” and at this point you add another titanic stupidity that the Readers can find in your comment: whom do you think you are talking with ?
    And here is the answer to your titanic stupidity ( I know, you are not the author of the titanic stupidity, you are just parrotting the suggestions of “Prof” Raman): just, please read … I will write in very simple language, to allow you (and “Prof” Raman, who insists not to buy ‘Electronics for Dummies’ as I suggested him) to understand, with a small effort and some focus (to Raman I suggest not to chew a gum at the same time).
    THE ALIMENTATION CABLING OF THE REACTOR IS COMPOSED BY MEANS OF 2 PARTS FOR EVERY ROW:
    1- ONE PART FROM THE CONTROL SYSTEM TO THE JOINT (C); THIS PART IS NAMED C1
    2- AFTER THE JOINT C THE SAME CURRENT IS SUBDIVIDED INTO 2 ROWS HAViNG THE SAME SECTION AND LENGTH: WE CALL THEM C2
    BASED ON THE KIRCHHOFF LAW ( ALSO CALLED KICHHOFF JUNCTION RULE) , WE CAN MAKE THE DEDUCTION THAT THE CURRENT THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE ROW C1 IS EQUAL TO THE DOUBLE OF THE CURRENT THAT FLOWS ALONG EACH OF THE ROWS NAMED C2.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Curbina

      Fantastic non diplomatic response.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I have no idea if Kirchhoff’s first rule is applicable in this case. We have three phase current here, and the ends of the C2 lines are connected to different phases. Are any electrical engineers here who could clarify his?

      • Andreas Moraitis

        According to Kirchhoff, the current in the C1 lines should equal the sum of the currents in both C2 lines. The question is if both currents in C2 are identical. If not so, one could not say that the sum equals the double of the current in one of the lines.

        • Obvious

          If the two wire sections (diameter) and length are the same, are constructed of the same alloy, and operate the same load, then the currents will be the same.

          If the two segments do not supply identical loads, or the segments are of different resistances, then all bets are off.

          In effect, Rossi is telling us that the three resistors, supplied by the three phases of electricity, are identical. This is useful information. This is simpler to build anyways, but it need not be that way, if there was a reason to do it differently.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Figure 4 is not a schematic. Which is to say that cables which share the same C block connection are not necessarily of the same polarity.

            In fact it would be impossible for all the cables connected to the same blocks to be of the same polarity. All three cables must go to ground.

            One end connection must be the opposite polarity of the other, the middle therefore must have both.

            • Obvious

              The equivalent loads are indicated by Rossi saying that the legs of the delta have exactly 1/2 of the current supply leads.

              • Ophelia Rump

                Remember 3 phase. They may be temporally offset.
                Unless they tampered with the timing of the 3 phase, they most certainly are temporally offset.

                • Obvious

                  If they use the “wall outlet” three phases as the three phases of feed (C1), then each leg of the delta (two legs at each feed) carries the square root of the three phases’ current, which 1.73 times the current carried in a single phase feed. This is due to the temporal AC sine overlaps. In this instance, each leg of the delta carries more than 1/2 of the feed line current, counter to what Rossi has emphatically stated.
                  If DC pulses were applied down the feed to the delta ends, then things change at each leg/C2…
                  If only two out of three phases are supplied, then things change.
                  If diodes are inserted into series with each leg, things change.
                  If the timing of the phases is altered…

                • Ophelia Rump

                  I don’t think a high leg delta is indicated. I do not see an indication of a ground to the middle leg. Using 1.73 may not be appropriate.
                  I am sorry but I am decades rusty on three phase, and I am probably not up to giving you quality feedback on this.

                • Steve H

                  As you will remember:-
                  Total 3 phase power can be calculated using line voltage and current or phase voltage and current.

                  1.732*VL*IL*cos phi. or

                  3*Vph*Iph*cos phi

                  With a star connected load, the line voltage is 1.732*phase voltage (line and phase current are equal).
                  With a delta connected load, line current is 1.732*phase current (line and phase voltage are equal).

                  These equations are only true for standard 3 phase ac. A pure sine wave with 120 degree displacement between phases – as you would expect from a normal industrial supply.

            • Obvious

              That’s it.

          • US_Citizen71

            Since the heaters are coils under an alternating current load they should be viewed as inductors not resistors. (see Steve H’s response to me below for more detail)

            • Obvious

              Steve H’s response below was partial when I wrote the above post.
              Re: Steve’s response: The wiring, whether inductors or resistors, is in a Delta pattern, as described in the caption below the diagram (figure 4).
              What the control box exactly does is an open question. What the inductance properties of the coils are, depends on what is inside their coils. I suppose they could be tuned to act as IR antennae also, confounding deliberation further.
              My point was that Rossi was indirectly indicating that the paired lengths are acting equivalently, and therefore the loads are equivalent, greatly simplifying evaluation of what might be going on. If we assume something more complicated, then we disregard the info given us, and we might as well disregard everything else, too.

              • US_Citizen71

                I agree. I also now remember why I ended up choosing another career path instead of electronics. ; )

          • Ophelia Rump

            You left out temporal differences, remember phase offset with three phase.

            • Obvious

              I am thinking that over now. The 1.73 times delta leg amperage value for the supply applies to three phase power to the delta. So for the values to be the same, only two phases must be fed to alternating sets of delta ends… which happens to be what the image in figure 5 shows. Two peaks, and a blank third (the OL channel).

      • Steve H

        As far as I remember, Kirchoffs rule applies to dc not ac.

    • Fortyniner

      “The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it.” (Rossi seems to have fingers that are larger than the keys on his keyboard – I have the same problem!).

      There seem to be several clues here – over to the replication thread experts for some speculation …

  • Omega Z

    I have just read this on JONP.
    It is dated-
    October 19th, 2014 at 10:45 PM

  • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

    Rossi made some changes on the re-posted comment. You can see them highlighted in the picture here:

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/802-Rossi-responds-to-critics/?postID=1611#post1611

    • Ophelia Rump

      That was the most ignorant reasoning I have ever seen.
      1, The technology has no accepted theory so I will not look.
      2, If it were possible, finding it would be impossible, so he could not have found it.

      He would have perfected circular logic, if such a thing existed but there is no formal proof of it. If there were a formal proof of circular logic, he could not possible be capable of finding it on his own, considering his posture and the location of his head.

  • GreenWin

    Did Pomp refuse to take part in the ITPR2? If so, what was his reasoning?

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty
      • GreenWin

        Thanks barty. I cannot read the text as the resolution is too low on my screen. Do you have a transcript of just what Pomp wrote?

      • Ophelia Rump

        That was the most ignorant reasoning I have ever seen.

        1, The technology has no accepted theory so I will not look.

        2, If it were possible, finding it would be impossible, so he could not have found it.

        He would have perfected circular logic, if such a thing existed but there is no formal proof of it. If there were a formal proof of circular logic, he could not possible be capable of finding it on his own, considering his posture and the location of his head.

        .

        • Omega Z

          “considering his posture and the location of his head”

          Ahh yes, It is a very dark place.
          Until he rectrumfies this condition, oops, I mean rectifies this condition he will never be able to see the light.

          “1, The technology has no accepted theory so I will not look.”

          And yet people of his ilk wonder why people are developing a dislike/distrust of Science & question it’s funding.

          With a proven degree in B.S., It is my opinion that people like Pomp should have their title removed & given a new Job, Manure Remediation And with it we shall give them a new title: “Sanitation Engineer.” Should they ever get tired of slinging B.S., and becomes rehabilitated, We can consider their reinstatement.

          As rehabilitation can not be replicated 100% of the time, It is an unproven Science. As there is no accepted theory as how to accomplish 100% rehabilitation, Consideration of reinstatement should be suspended indefinitely. We should not even look.

  • Arvid

    Rossi: “Alumina becomes White heat only when it melts at 2070°C”. But Aluminum melts at 660C, what am I missing? And the report states a temperature of 1400 C, AND that it was pure aluminum. Don’t understand.

  • Giuliano Bettini
    • Andreas Moraitis

      Ah – thanks. I have been wrong.

  • LilyLover

    I know, I know – once online, the record doesn’t go away. But in this case, Frank, for the reasons Dr. Rossi deleted the response, you should too. Perhaps, sub-scientific status affords him some obscurity and grand unveiling. Then again, we need as much awareness as possible. If I were you, I would paraphrase the simple key points – Rossi dismissed clamp clownery, assures the Cat is healthy, and insists on In Mercatu Veritas. Perhaps, you won’t agree, but may be he wants no pompus-of-the-World being associated with fame – positive or negative -however it may be. I’d go so far as to say, even if you decide to keep this up – maybe not impart credibility to that pompus name. Why advertise Galileo-killers? But then again you might want to let Rossi know about this and ask if he’d like you to keep this up or take it down. This way we won’t turn you into a Rossirazzi for our curiosity’s sake. And he may not withdraw completely/somewhat from you in the future. I’m sorry if I’m stepping the line, but I feel that’s we are doing to Rossi if we keep talking about pompous people.

    • Gerrit

      apparently Rossi put it up again.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        No, he didn’t. You have to look at JoNP. The Rossi blog reader is not controlled by him.

        • Omega Z

          It is present at both JONP & Rossilive Blog Reader.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            True. It is in the comments section of an older article. I had checked only the last two of them.

  • Oystein Lande

    The world needs dreamers and the world needs doers. But above all, the world needs dreamers who do.

    Professors Martin Fleischmann and Pons said it started with an idea, a dream.

    And we noted then and now the theoretical physicists that likes to talk.

    Unfortunately, talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty.

    But talkers have never been good doers. It’s the doers that change this world.

    • Ophelia Rump

      For some odd reason reading that makes me want a drink of scotch whiskey.

      • GreenWin

        De war’s on.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Indeed it is.

  • Donk970

    It seems to me that Industrial Heat is at a very tricky spot on the path to commercialization. On the one hand they really need to keep the investors interested and willing to continue putting money into R&D on the E-Cat and they need to get China and India on board to build these things. On the other hand they need to be very wary of the US government. The US government could kill the E-Cat over night by declaring that it is a nuclear device and therefor dangerous and simultaneously restricting export of the technology for national security reasons. I understand Rossi’s desire to be recognized as having built something revolutionary but right now about the last thing he needs is an important government agency like the DOE deciding that the E-Cat really is real and a threat to existing corporate and government interests. The sooner IH gets the Chinese building these things the better I think.

    • Bernie777

      The Feds already know it is a “real and a threat to existing corporate and government interests” The Navy and NASA have been working on LENR for years. NASA scientists have openly discussed it in interviews. It is my opinion the Feds do not want to kill it, just slow the implementation, to let the fossil fuel industry and our economy adjust.

      • Donk970

        I could see that. It may be a case of if they could stop it they would but they can’t. The real beauty of LENR in general is that the materials are all common as dirt and the technology is stuff that you could build in your kitchen. Add to that the fact that you have so many people who have gotten positive results and you have an impossible to control technology. So you might be right, they can’t shut it down but they could certainly delay it.

        • Bernie777

          Right, they might not want to shut it down, just slow it down,LENR, creates a lot short term problems but solves a lot of long term problems

          • Donk970

            It makes you wonder about the long term prospects for commercialization though. Making a profit from this is going to depend on keeping the “how” of it secret but “how” just isn’t going to stay secret for long no matter how hard Industrial Heat and Rossi try. Not only that but, pardon the pun, it’s going to turn out that there is a lot more than one way to skin a cat. Even if Industrial Heat could keep Rossi’s particular formula secret I think that there will turn out to be many more ways to do it, maybe even better ways. In the end everyone and his pet monkey will be building these things and the price will go way way down. Good for us but not great for anyone thinking they’ll make a lot of money at it.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Yes the China connection. A case could be made that they already know everything.
      Certainly with that simple statement by IH, whether it be positive or negative, containment would be impossible.

  • bfast

    Rossi, “on the verge of a commercial breakthrough, because to make him alive or dead is not the Sancta Inquisitio of Dr Pomp, is the market.”
    I am very glad that Eng. Rossi takes this position. I think that nothing less will convince the idiot scientific community of the reality of this technology. I am waiting with bated breath to see, touch, announce and invest into this commercial breakthrough.

  • GregL

    It seems the deleted post has been reinstated

    • Freethinker

      Confirmed.

  • Pierre

    Yes, what all those quasi-scientists out there should remember is that they need to STFU until they have enough cajones to take a new phenomena as far down the road as Rossi has, perfected or not, while not using a cent of taxpayer money. Once they have gone as far as he has, then they can speak.

    And why are these quasi-scientists bothering to complain anyways? We all know very well that Rossi is never going to reveal the secret sauce with his IP, because this is a BUSINESS PROCESS!

    The definition of a scientific process, coming from all these quasi-scientists out there, is that the process has to be open source, peer-reviewed, and full of BS dogma about previously known theories. We’ll tell that to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and see what they say.

    Rossi is a business man who knows full well about the “culture” of the scientific method, as well as about the scientific method itself.

    He believes something is happening, and he needs to prove it WITHOUT revealing whatever IP he has. And if he can get his patent without revealing the secret sauce, he will laugh all the way to the bank with IH.

    Pomp and all these quasi-scientists are just revealing their naïveté and their lack of business sense. Oh yeah, and their jealousy. A pompous jealousy indeed.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Wow, nice rant!
      I like it. Genuinely, that felt good for me too!

      • Pierre

        Btw, if there are any real scientists out there who are worth their salt, get off you butts and go beg for some replication funding. We don’t need people who sit around and complain, we need do-er’s.

        Assuming you give 2 cents about energy science and the possibility that GW and population growth are real…

        That includes you, Pomp.

        Duh!

    • dickyaesta

      Very well said. Only the spanish word is cojones see : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cajones This isnot meant to play down what you said, the word ‘cojones’ goes usually with the very suggestive gesture which enforces the meaning even further.;)). And yes Sr. Rossi certainly has……

    • Donk970

      What continues to surprise me is the religious fervor with with the skeptics respond to Cold Fusion. The mere mention of Cold Fusion causes heads to explode.

  • GregL

    Maybe he decided the different ‘phase’ of V and I was giving too much away

    • Ophelia Rump

      Usually with three phase power all three phases are discreetly offset so that the three separate wave forms overlap in a manner which appears more flat like DC when viewed as a conglomerate. If the phases were manipulated temporally it would introduce interesting pulse behaviors.

    • Fortyniner

      That was my first thought too. “… the control system continues to change the phase angle, and this wrong calculation has been made assuming that the values are always at the peak, and this is obviously wrong”. (‘wtong’ corrected to ‘wrong’) This does seem to be to do with field generation using the triple-spiral of resistances as an antenna.

  • Josh G

    “the resistances do not have a linear response to the temperature in the coil of the E-Cat and the heat dissipation is totally different from the copper cables”

    It’s a bit vague, but it could presumably explain the discrepancies in the watt-to-joule heating discrepancies of ammeter-gate, no? If the resistance goes down (asymptotically) as heat goes up, this could account for the lower watt-to-joule heating ratio during the test of the live reactor. Or am I mistaken?

    • Ophelia Rump

      Since he does not have the raw data for resistance values, because none are given in the report, how would he know resistance ?

      He is speculating up conjecture to contradict the findings.
      You are attempting to back engineer the speculation, so yes, this is a mistaken endeavor.

      • Josh G

        Ophelia dear, I think there is some confusion here. I was quoting Rossi, who should know very well what the resistances are. I just got a response from Mats Lewan on his blog. Here is what he wrote:

        “That’s right, but it’s not new — this was the immediate explanation Rossi gave before to this issue. And it’s is still the explanation I have received when I have asked. What is required, more in detail, is a material in the resistors with a resistivity that decreases by a factor three somewhere in the interval from 450 to 1200 degrees Celsius, and then remain fairly constant in the interval from 1200 to 1400 degrees. I have been told by materials physicists that such materials are possible.”

        • Ophelia Rump

          Ah thank you sorry my mistake.

          The following was my mistake, taken from the original above to avoid confusing others so I could label it here for posterity as being what it is.

          Since he does not have the raw data for resistance values, because none are given in the report, how would he know resistance ?

          He is speculating up conjecture to contradict the findings.
          You are attempting to back engineer the speculation, so yes, this is a mistaken endeavor.

    • Ged

      That’s what MFMP sees happen with their wires in a hydrogen environment. Not sure if that’s the same exactly, as it’s very different wire materials.

    • US_Citizen71

      “the resistances do not have a linear response to the temperature in the coil of the E-Cat and the heat dissipation is totally different from the copper cables”

      This could possibly be explained by the fact that we are not dealing with standard resistors, but instead with inductors that are under an alternating current load. Changes in frequency are just as likely if not more likely to change the resistance as a change is their physical temperature would.

      • Steve H

        2pi*F*L

        • US_Citizen71

          Thanks! I remembered enough of my basic electronics course from 20 years ago to know we were dealing with more than simple resistance but couldn’t remember the basic formulas and ins and outs.

  • Ged

    Too bad he deleted it, as that was a very good response.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I thought it would have been if he had someone edit it first.
      Rossi needs an editor for translation to English. His writing could be very powerful with the appropriate help.

      • GreenWin

        Hello IH???

        • clovis ray

          Hi, GW
          i would think IH hopes he would shut up altogether, at least for a while, smile

  • Freethinker

    Nice catch Frank (or whomever caught it, LENR forum login and I don’t agree well) . From IH standpoint the self censoring may be a good thing, but I am glad it was caught.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Rossi for the win, but he is more right to take the high road and leave the trolls to the handling of other experienced trolls.

    It does not feel right for you to publish here what he retracted.

    • Buck

      OR,

      Rossi’s response is on RossiLiveCat.com. If it was deleted, it is now back.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        On JoNP the comment is still missing.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Excellent Smithers!

    • Bernie777

      Good reporting, Frank. We need more investigative reporting, it has become a lost art.

      • Bernie777

        Ophelia, sorry I meant this to be a general comment.

  • Dods

    After reading I had 3 thoughts come to mind.

    Frankie go’s to Hollywood – Two Tribes Video.
    Harry Hill “There’s only one way to find out?”.
    MTV’s celebrity deathmatch.

    All would make great parody’s

    My money is on Rossi BTW.