The Mouse Could be Inconel Wires (Hank Mills)

Andrea Rossi has described a version of the E-Cat he describes as the ‘mouse’ and ‘cat’ configuration, and that in the E-Cat are used in the recent Lugano test, the the mouse and cat are combined. Rossi has explained that in the mouse and cat configuration, a smaller internal mouse stimulates the nuclear reactions of a larger cat. However, approval statements he has made indicate that the inconel resistors of the E-Cat may likely actually be the mouse. There are many clues that make this probable.

For example:

  • Inconel wires are composed of a high percentage of nickel in addition to other elements.
  • The reactor shown in the test does not seem to have any other internal parts other than the resistor coils wound inside.
  • Rossi has said that only one kind of powder was used in this reactor.

    Please read my full article at PESN for more details here:

    Hank Mills

    • hempenearth

      Hope you got this Hank:
      “The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it”
      From the “Rossi, Angry that every stupidity get attention” post

    • Obvious

      Here’s a little compilation of mouse quotes from Rossi:


      – JoNP March 23, 2013

      Basically, we have no more a reactor or a cluster of reactors, but each reactor is coupled with an activator: let’s make this model: the activator is the Mouse, which makes the Cat run. The Mouse has his own COP which is more than 1, the Cat is a surprise.
      – JoNP March 23, 2013

      we revolutioned the technology separating the activation from the E-Cat, making 2 separated apparatuses in the same house: mouse ( activator) and Cat. This has enhanced the efficiency of the E-Cat
      – JoNP March 25, 2013

      Q: Is the first stage called a ‘Mouse’ because it is so small? A: no, just to give the idea of something that wakes up a Cat: the mouse activates the aggressivity of a Cat…
      – JoNP March 25, 2013

      Q: Does the “mouse” in the newest version of the E-cat do more than just replacing the gas burner of the gas-cat version ? A: no
      – JoNP April 8, 2013

      Q: Why don’t we call cat and mouse, Tom & Jerry? A: we prefer “activator” and E-Cat
      – JoNP May 6, 2013

      We are testing low temperature tigers, for now, of 100 kW. All our reactors now have activator and E-Cat, allowing us an activator with a COP more than 1 and E-Cat with COP in the hundreds.
      – JoNP May 9, 2013

      Q: Does the Activator, as its name implies, primarily function during cold start-up? A: yes, but it drives the cycle of the E-Cat too
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      Q: After stable operation is achieved, is the Activator primarily inactive? A: the activator works for about the 65% of the operational time of the system
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      the Mouse runs 35 ( thirtyfive) % of the time, the E-Cat runs 65 % of the time.
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      Q: Could you, if possible, give us an idea of what the ratio of thermal output of the Ecat to thermal input to the activator is when both are active. A: They are never active together.
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      Activator and E-Cat never go at the same time.
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      Q: Does the cat and mouse both utilize separate electrical resistance based heating elements, or is the resistance element utilized by the mouse/activator the only source of external heat in the entire ECAT? A: the only source of external energy is the resistance of the Activator
      – JoNP May 10, 2013

      when the activator is on the E-Cat is off, when the E-Cat is on the Activator is off. When the Activator is turned off the temperature rises, becauce the E-Cat is activated, when the Activator is turned on the temperature lowers, because 100 hours of operation, for about 35 hours the Activator is on and the E-Cat is off, while for about 65 hours the E-Cat is on and the Activator is off. We reached a good stability for this reason: the Activator gives to the E-Cat enough energy the E-Cat goes off. If we consider to give good performance, but not enough to escape from control, like a Mouse which make a Cat nervous, but not too much; then, the Activator stops, the CaT goes on, until he returns to sleep; at this point the Mouse- activator is turned on, but the temperature goes down because the E-Cat is off; at this point the Cat becomes again nervous, and immediately the Mouse- activator is turned off, while again the temperature raises, and so on. The invention of this cycle, regulated by a complex software, allows to reach high temperatures in good stability. The important thing is that also the Activator has a charge, so that it reaches a COP more than 1, paying for itself: for this reason the energy that the Activator consumed is paid for by itself and does not affect the COP of the E-Cat. You know how I invented this system? I was in North Carolina and observed in a garden of the hotel a sleeping cat: a squirrel passed fast close to the cat, and the cat made some move to reach the squirrell, but the squirrel disappeared and the cat returned to sleep…that’t learning from Nature!
      – JoNP May 12, 2013

      Our basic module is made by an apparatus in which we have 2 components: an activator, which consumes abour 900 Wh/h and produces about 910 Wh/h of heat. This heat activates the E-Cat and then goes to the utilization by the Customer, so that its cost is paid back by itself. This activator stays in function for the 35% of the operational time of the syspem of the apparatus. The E-Cat, activated by the heat of the Activator, works for about the 65% of the operational time, producing about 1 kWh/h without consuming any Wh/h from the grid. Combining these modules we can make E-Cats of 1 kW , 10 kW, 100 kW, 1 MW , respectively, of power.
      – JoNP May 12, 2013

      Reading with the necessary attention and without any bias what I wrote, the description of the operation of the apparatus with Activator and E-Cat is very simple. I made what I wrote read by a 13 years old middle school girl, and she understood perfectly. So should do anybody. One thing: remember that the Activator anyway gives to the Customer the heat he needs with a COP 1.02 when it is turned on, and this heat produced by the activator is totally paid by the very Activator, whose heat is not lost, is entirely utilized by the Customer. Therefore the energy produced by the E-Cat has no input energy to pay for, because the energy that activates the cat, after activating he cat, goes to the Customer who anyway had to pay for it to use it. As a consequence of this fact, the E-Cat energy output is not gravated from any energy consume.
      – JoNP May 13, 2013

      Q: Does every Cat need its own mouse? Or can a squeak of a mouse awaken several cats? A: Every E-Cat has an Activator.
      – JoNP May 13, 2013

      Q: Do you turn off the activator when the reactor starts to respond to its stimulus? A: yes
      – JoNP May 15, 2013

      Q: Or does the control system have a way of “turning on” the reactor after it turns off the activator? A: also
      – JoNP May 15, 2013

      Q: about the mouse: is it fixed inside the cat ? A: No, it is not.
      – JoNP May 15, 2013

      Q: Have you run the Cat & Mouse configuration at temperatures higher than 350 degree Celsius? If so, what temperatures? A: yes, up to 1 000 Celsius
      – JoNP May 16, 2013

      the temperature of the Cat raises when the Mouse is turned off, lowers when the Mouse is turned on
      – JoNP December 29. 2013

    • Omega Z

      Maybe it is the composite of the inconel wire.
      Nickel & ? ? ? produces COP 1.1

    • Paul Smith

      The inconel 625 wire inside the reactor has a resistivity that increases when the temperature increases up to about 650°C. But after that value, the resistivity decreases while temperature goes up. It means that after 650°C the heat generated by resistance greatily increase because the current goes up. This fact may increase the temperature toward high upper limits. So there is necessity of automatic controls to avoid meltings.

    • GordonDocherty

      Arranged as a coil around the e-Cat, the wire can deliver heat and a strong electromagnetic field – with iron crystals in the e-Cat itself locally enhancing the electromagnetic field in their vicinity, this makes for a very interesting construction

      • GordonDocherty

        One more point – put the e-cat in a metal box, and you stop the internal magnetic field affecting machinery outside – and any outside magnetic fields feeding or dampening the reactions inside the e-Cat – in this case, the blue box container of the 1MW hot cat is seen to fulfill another role…

      • GordonDocherty

        According to my reckoning, it should be just about possible to build an “incandescent” e-Cat IR lightbulb – tungsten or Inconel wire inside which is an ultra-thin tube of e-Cat powder all nicely sealed into a vacuum. Power is then applied to the “lighbulb” via a light socket – only the output of this “lightbulb” is focused into a narrow beam – or even a spot – onto a collector (think solar cell for an infra-red Sun). “LEN-Bulbs” can then be mass produced in their millions, and become as easy-to-replace as a lightbulb (or lightbulb array) “lit” inside a box and focused on a collector. Startup/shutdown would then be the modern equivalent of the old valve radios that cackled into life as the valves warmed to operating temperature…

        • GordonDocherty

          TPVs are currently being developed for the capture of radiated waste heat from hot bodies – an ideal “collector”, if perfected :

          So, e-Cat output -> TPV – > electricity

        • psi2u2

          Wow. Now that’s a wild idea.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      One might ask why Rossi calls the “mouse” an “activator”, although it seems to be used as a deactivator as well:

      May 12th, 2013 at 8:04 AM

      “When the Activator is turned off the temperature rises, becauce the E-Cat is activated, when the Activator is turned on the temperature lowers, because the E-Cat goes off.”

      [I think “E-Cat” means the “cat” here.]

      December 29th, 2013 at 6:10 PM

      “[…] the temperature of the Cat raises when the Mouse is turned off, lowers when the Mouse is turned on.”

      My guess is that he did not want to describe a causal relationship between switching the mouse on and off and the activity of the cat. Rather it looks as if he meant that the mouse is switched off as soon as the cat becomes active, and switched on when the cat’s activity decreases. So the mouse would be indeed an activator, not a deactivator, which would fit Hank Mills’ hypothesis. Sometimes it looks as if Rossi had fun by bamboozling his readers.

      • Omega Z

        That is my take as well.
        As to Rossi speak, Most of the time, it is what it is. He often has trouble putting things in proper content. Tho Sometimes, he has a little fun with his followers. I don’t think so in this case.

    • Gerard McEk

      The melt temperature of Inconel is between 1390 and 1425 deg. C. The temperature of the test was exactly at the border temperature. Francesco Celany uses specially treated constantan (also a nickel alloy) for his LENR test device and I beliieve MFMP are trying to replicate his findings. You can be right.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I vaguely remember some AR earlier comment (probably spring 2013) that the mouse somehow exists “around” the cat. Whereas I don’t recall him saying that the mouse would be smaller than the cat. Then again, I may remember wrong.

      • Ged

        Very interesting observation by Hank! Suggests the wires are acting like Celani’s system. I do remember that too, Pekka, or at least that the mouse was smaller in mass, but was also fully part of the reactor and not some add on.

      • Giuliano Bettini

        I remember: the mouse is bigger, the cat is smaller (contrary to the real cats…).

      • Pekka Janhunen

        To remember “pedigree”, AFAIK the idea was first suggested by Peter (fortyniner).

      • LuFong

        Dear Ing. Rossi
        about the mouse: is it fixed inside the cat ?

        Warm regard

        Dear gio:

        No,it is not.

        Warm Regards,

        Rossi also says the cat and mouse are “well separated.” Of course all of this is Rossi-speak and difficult to nail down what he means with any certainty.