The Backfire Effect and Cold Fusion (Guest Post)

The following is a guest post by Billy Jackson

The Backfire Effect
10 June 2011

The Misconception: When your beliefs are challenged with facts, you alter your opinions and incorporate the new information into your thinking.
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
 The backfire effect is constantly shaping your beliefs and memory, keeping you consistently leaning one way or the other through a process psychologists call biased assimilation. Decades of research into a variety of cognitive biases shows you tend to see the world through thick, horn-rimmed glasses forged of belief and smudged with attitudes and ideologies. When scientists had people watch Bob Dole debate Bill Clinton in 1996, they found supporters before the debate tended to believe their preferred candidate won. In 2000, when psychologists studied Clinton lovers and haters throughout the Lewinsky scandal, they found Clinton lovers tended to see Lewinsky as an untrustworthy homewrecker and found it difficult to believe Clinton lied under oath. The haters, of course, felt quite the opposite. Flash forward to 2011, and you have Fox News and MSNBC battling for cable journalism territory, both promising a viewpoint which will never challenge the beliefs of a certain portion of the audience. Biased assimilation guaranteed.   (From “The Backfire Effect” by David McRaney — http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/)

Hank Mills, with Sterling Allan wrote an excellent article on PESN entitled, “The History of MIT’s Blatant Suppression of Cold Fusion.” It outlines a very poignant reality that has repressed and inhibited legitimate research into the Field of LENR, due to the continued taint of a 25 year old announcement against the findings of Pons and Fleischmann in 1989 by MIT.

That announcement by MIT had a far reaching effect on the psyches of not just scientists but the public in general. To understand why, you must understand the place that higher institutes of education are held in the public mindset. MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Oxford, Stanford, Princeton, Berkeley, Cambridge, Univ of London and so on . . . these institutes are considered some of the best in the the world. When a non-informed individual hears these institutes speak with authority on any particular subject of research, it is mostly taken that they are speaking from and with a knowledge base beyond that of your average public education. They are believed not because of what they say, but because of who they are and the public status they have attained.

For the general public or scientist, that was good enough for them.

We must remember that we are all specialists in the knowledge of the history of cold fusion. It is not taught in schools, and only rarely spoken of outside of conspiracy theory. We as individuals have educated ourselves due to personal interest. Ask almost any individual about cold fusion and the most likely answer you’ll get is that its a movie by Keanu Reaves. It is not so far fetched to believe that young and promising scientists have been led to believe or actively warned away from such “junk science” in an effort to keep their careers “untainted”.

We stand now in anticipation of the announcement for the upcoming release on the latest tests for the Rossi E-Cat. We must be prepared to face The Backfire Effect. The Misconceptions and Preconceptions that have persisted as truth will not be let go lightly. Instead they will be clung to like a lifeline. They will argue our data is false, misrepresented, or just flat out lies. We will face challenges to the data that are irrational and irrelevant to the subject at hand. We must also be prepared to face hard legitimate questions that challenge our own bias without lashing out in return due to our own convictions.

The best way to fight against instilled ignorance is not derision and ridicule, but education and irrefutable truths.

Thank You
Billy Jackson

LINKS

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/

http://pesn.com/2011/12/27/9601994_History_of_MITs_Blatant_Suppression_of_Cold_Fusion/

  • pelgrim108

    I wrote “getting near infinite COP.”
    Off course you can never get near infinity because infinity is always an infinty further down the road.
    However if your input for the week was 0 kWh and your output was 10 kWh the COP for that week = infinite. 10/0 = ∞
    Now look at the real input and output ( from a physicists perspective) and you will see that the output is not infinetely more than the input.

  • Billy Jackson

    while the anger is justified the point of view is a harsh one, when we start blaming others for standing by and “allowing” something to happen then we step on a very slippery slope that has the potential to cause more harm than good..

    until then.. you hold my pitchfork ill go get the gasoline

  • Alain Samoun

    @bachcole
    It could be catastrophic for some people but, hopefully, beneficial for the majority and our specie.

  • Alain Samoun

    You are right Clovis,my french background plays tricks on me sometimes, I should have said “the terrible side effects of nuclear fission”.
    Now regarding ‘the fall of the sky’, it is my feeling that a lot of people here have a tendency to look at the new energy from ‘inside the box’ Like as a new opportunity or improvement to their routine life, a typical comment was “CF/LENR is going to lower my heat/electricity bill” or “I will invest money in CF/LENR companies”. I think that it’s going to be a lot different of that and the new fire will have us,as humans,to think, to behave and organize differently if we want to survive. In physic and more specifically in thermodynamic, there are laws who control evolution,we will have to obey to these laws. In one sentence: Cooperation! no more competition

  • pelgrim108

    Here is a company that doesnt know what backfire is and how to use it to stifle dissent.☭
    Cold Fusion Sales http://www.coldfusionsales.com/#top

    Cold Fusion Sales Revealed – How to make money on Cold Fusion Energy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRriDryl3J4

    • Omega Z

      This appears to be connected to Cold Fusion Now.
      Click on Team or scroll down to Meet Team And you see Ruby Carat. Also note that the video was posted Aug-27, 2014

  • robyn wyrick

    I hate the oil companies. But I love this site. :)

    • bachcole

      Robyn, hatred is the worst burden to the heart, and it twists our perceptions and judgment.

      I have known at least 2 executives of Chevron. One, a lead chemist, was my spiritual mentor; he was available for me to discuss personal issues with. The other was some kind of vice president. They were among the finest human beings that I have ever had the privilege of knowing so closely. I didn’t earn the right to know such people; it was a gift.

      This does not mean that all oil company executives are wonderful or evil. This does not mean that oil companies are wonderful or evil. This is merely a factual report about two oil company executives that I knew back in the day, and who I am sure to meet again in the near future.

  • clovis ray

    Done and done

  • clovis ray

    i am waiting to see or hear of my first lenr/cf device, other than Dr,Rossi ‘s e-cat, and it’s my belief, e-cat is neither.

  • Bernie777

    Please see Christopher Calder comment below.

  • GreenWin

    Yeah. I prefer to call it “school the playground bully.” But if you want to call it education, fine. :)

  • clovis ray

    Oh yeh,
    what have these oil punks done for you lately. do you work for one .

  • pelgrim108

    At some COP value it becomes easy to build a constellation that is self looping via heat -> electricity converter thereby getting near infinite cop.
    Wich COP would that be? :-)

    • Christopher Calder

      You need a COP of 10 to produce electricity economically, unless you are just using Hot-Cats to make natural gas last longer in a co-generation scheme. If the electricity input is the only source of heat, you need a COP of at least 10. I am expecting a COP of between 6 and 8,otherwise Rossi would tell us he made electricity.

    • bachcole

      That is what I call a semantic puzzle with no real purpose.

      There is the issue of first start up. How much does it take to first get the thing going, before the feedback loop kicks in.

    • Ophelia Rump

      At COP 6 even with the great power losses in converting heat to electricity, it becomes difficult not to get more end product electricity out than you put in. I think this answers what you really want to know.

      The first five units of COP pay off a 20% efficient complete process.
      The sixth COP is 100% profit. Every COP after that is another 100% profit compared to the input.

      Do not take these numbers as some rule, this is an abstracted breakdown of the numbers for conceptual purposes.

  • malkom700

    We should not look at it tragically, the results achieved in hot fusion research can certainly be used in part in the development of cold fusion.

  • GreenWin

    Yep. It’s out of “scientists” hands now. Except for theory. Just like superconductors. Mainstream science takes a back seat and booby prize on this one.

    • Donk970

      On the bright side LENR is a technology that wont stay secret for long. Once the existence of LENR becomes undeniable everyone and his dog will start experimenting and once that happens it will only be a matter of time before a solid theory is developed and the technology escapes the control of the few who developed it to begin with.

      • GreenWin

        Yes. See my comment above. Energy becomes another home appliance – just like our water heaters, refrigerators, microwaves and stoves. But who bothers to DIY a stove or refrigerator when you can go to Best Buy and get a quality product for a competitive price? “In market is the truth,” And a new Home Energy Appliance.

  • Billy Jackson

    The Chinese are who i assume “they” are?

    Let me see if i can paraphrase this from what i have read in a way that i understand it. perhaps it will give you an alternate viewpoint on science and the Chinese. First a disclaimer.. at no point am i trying to be arrogant or dismissive toward the Chinese or other nations i mention.

    When thinking of technology in comparison to other nations you get generalities that while not a firm rule, puts into perspective fairly quickly the gap between existing first world nations.

    When you think of Germany, you get quality cars

    When you think of Japan, you get quality electronics

    When you think of America, You get people on the moon.

    Technology as a whole has been dominated by American Science and Ingenuity for quite a while now. Our personal freedoms, educations, and capitalism have made the perfect breeding ground for encouragement among our scientific and engineering communities to continue pressing for improvement in existing or new technologies.

    When students of other nations wish to be on the forefront of science they have an additional barrier, They must learn English. American colleges dominate the top rankings in the world in comparison to others. There are only 5 others that are non-American in the top 20..

    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking

    The mindset of science can not be stolen, hacked, or whisked away through industrial espionage. sure all those can provide a given country with temporary benefits. But the true treasure is in the minds that make those intuitive leaps to provide us with improved or new technologies.

    Any country that is attempting to copy us will find itself stuck in a loop of always copying us. They are not setting the stage for the growth of their own communities but hampering them instead for while their efforts are on copying and catching us, Ours is on continued improvement and expansion.

    Do not get me wrong, the individuals in China are just as smart and capable as those scientist in the USA. What they do not have is a culture of science that allows them the freedom to explore or benefit from the individuals chosen field research. China is chasing its own tail. They have no choice but to copy us if they wish to keep up. yet to do so means enabling its people (something they fear), For a communistic society with a long history of repression, humanitarian abuses and fear of outsiders something will have to give.

    We suffer now here in the USA from stagnation in the sphere of politics. Our education system, scientific communities are in danger of becoming irrelevant if we do not shake off those who would manipulate our systems for political and personal gains. and yes both republican and democrats do this in the interest of coveting temporary gains at the expense of long term benefits.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Interesting link.

      So the institutions that were totally wrong about cold fusion (the greatest discovery in history) and disparaged the researchers that got it right (for more than a quarter of a century) get the highest rankings. These rankings are a sham.

  • Billy Jackson

    I do believe it will have a staggering impact. just not right away. If the e-cat does as advertised then your looking at the severe reduction of oil as an energy product. We have to remember that in the end Rossi and IH are small time players in the scheme of things. it will take time to ramp up to give us all access to e-cat type devices.. even then i expect one of the big boys who has global distribution already setup for their products to outrun or take over with a “improved” version that doesn’t require Rossi’s patent.

    • GreenWin

      Nuclear power industry is already winding down. Petroleum is needed for plastics and non-fuel products. Natural gas, methane and derivative synthetics will be a valuable transition fuels. Any business honestly in “energy” can transition its workforce to new energy. Just as some carriage and buggy builders became auto and auto parts makers when combustion replaces horse power. Resistance to this major energy transition will result in bankruptcy at the pace of Eastman Kodak – and they at least tried to transition.

      • Billy Jackson

        well said.

    • Donk970

      Here’s what I think will happen. China and India will go all in on this and also MSR type fission over the next ten years or so. I think LENR will win out though. This will make China and India capable of massively out competing other countries in production of goods because they will lower their energy costs to practically nothing. This will drive every one else to adopt LENR to replace expensive energy sources in order to remain competitive with China and India. The big oil companies, power companies, suppliers of fission fuel rods, solar, wind and other competing energy sources will not be able to obstruct adoption for very long once it becomes obvious that nobody can compete with China and India without cheap energy.

  • blanco69

    I would conceed that MIT seems to have a bit too much oil money in it’s coffers. However, I also believe that if Cold fusion/ecat/LENR or whatever, is real – then it will be impossible to surpress. If/when Rossi builds a machine that actually, safely runs at a COP >3 then and therefore triggers a new age in energy production then it will not be supressed. The solution is simple – show the world your magical invention, prove that it works as you say it does. History will take care of the rest. As ecat fans, it’s easy for us to say that there’s guys with ear pieces in black sedans on every street corner fuelling cold fusion skepticism but, in truth, all we really need is for Rossi/IH to show every one what they’ve got. Another test report aint gonna cut it! Test reports dont produce boundless cheap energy.

    • GreenWin

      Frankly blanco I’m getting sick and tired of reading skeps mendacious suggestions that collusive resistance to cold fusion comes from paranoid theorists. We have hard evidence of MIT’s (and others) collusion – likely to protect fragile egos and a 50 year stream of millions of tax dollars to dawdle in hot fusion failure. The perps involved are not going to be given a get-out-of-jail-free card, or a punitive fine and wrist slap. There WILL be a full Congressional Hearing and the guys with ear pieces in black sedans are here to round up suspects. Cleaning our science house is long overdue. However, everyone makes mistakes and forgiveness follows confession.

      Of course a working CF device is convincing. But we’re going to disclose exactly who is behind resistance that’s delayed its introduction these past 25 years. “It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.”

      • Donk970

        I tend to agree, wherever there is lots of money at stake there will be conspiracies to maintain the status quo. When you look at cold fusion there are literally trillions of dollars at stake. MIT alone stood to loose enormous amounts of grant money for hot fusion and the hot fusion boys stood to loose face as well. The fossil fuel industries stand to loose vast amounts of money and even the fission nuclear, solar and wind industries stand to loose huge amounts of money. By far the biggest problem these other industries have is that it will be impossible to control the technology or the fuel. Cold fusion really will usher in an age of almost free and boundless energy which is a very very bad thing for anyone else in the energy business because capitalism relies on control of access to resources by a few. Cold fusion will only fit that model for a short while before everyone starts building these things.

        • GreenWin

          Donk, though on a more massive scale, and affecting geopolitics as well as capital – the advent of LENR will mirror the transition from horse power to combustion power circa 1900. Fossil/fission has a good 20 year window to wind down and in turn adapt to new energy demand from formerly disenfranchised populations. SOMEONE has to design, market, manufacture, install and maintain these devices. Even small mini-fridge sized units. Only blind businesses will not see the enormous, economic boon offered here.

          Look, we know how to make our own refrigerators, it’s all accessible off-shelf components. But who does that? LENR devices are “Home Energy Appliances.” This is probably why Google invested $3.2B to purchase home energy appliance shop Nest Labs. New perspective and vision is all it takes. This vision will not come from MIT soon.

        • clovis ray

          Hi, donk907
          I enjoy your comments, but will have to disagree a little with you today, china, India are so far behind , it take a long time for them to catch up, as i see it, no logistics, if it rains 2-3 days in a row, they are completely shut down, dirt roadways, or mud holes stops the whole darn country,along with their population, are so rural, and uneducated, and poor.

    • Roy O’Neil

      Why do so many bloggers think the ecat COP must be > 3? To my thinking, a COP of 2 would be a big breakthrough and economically successful. Of course, the higher the CO P the better.

      • peter gluck

        Please do not forget that the Ecat consumes electric energy and produces heat energy, the former is at least 3 times more expensive than the later (per Watt)

    • Warthog

      Not oil money…..grant money. The MIT physics department has had millions upon millions (perhaps into the billions) of federal grant money to research “hot fusion”. The ultimate root cause of MIT’s was simple “protection of turf”. The total money spent on “hot fusion” (either in USA or world-wide…..I forget precisely which and am too lazy to look it up again) is in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars. Can’t blame the oil companies for this one.

    • Bernie777

      Right, we need a credible report from the first installation, probably 4 months away.

  • Christopher Calder

    What kind of “effect” are we going to get if both Rossi’s device and the Solar Hydrogen Trends device are definitively proven to work by Christmas of 2014? Sort of a one-two punch, the first to the belly, and the second to the jaw?

    See this terrific article –

    http://pesn.com/2014/08/27/9602532_SHT–Andrea-Rossi_Drops_out_of_the_LENR-Race/

  • http://www.drboblog.com Doctor Bob

    10 June 2011?

    • pelgrim108

      Its an ingeneus piece of misinformation. More like something out of 1984.

    • Billy Jackson

      Its the European Dating Format. I copied from the article without changing it for the quote on The Backfire Effect.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rip Van Winkle reawakens:

    “Gee whiz, China surpassed the USA. How did that happen?”

    • Billy Jackson

      I am baffled at how to read the context of your post…

      so its a math question? you have 10 apples, 12 Oranges, so how many pancakes fit on the roof?

      • Alan DeAngelis

        I was just thinking about how The Chinese Physical Society has sponsored cold fusion conferences over the years and all that The American Physical Society has done for the past quarter of a century is make jokes about cold fusion.

        • Billy Jackson

          ah, in that case i find that i agree with you. if we continue our current trends we will find ourselves out paced, out maneuvered, and potentially left behind in several important fields of technology. Politically charged environments in the work force and politics have left us arguing over minor differences in policy rather than forcing us to face the truth, without continued investments and improvement in the education system and our sciences we very well may face a future where we will need to learn to speak Chinese instead of them learning to speak English.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            We’ve really slipped. I’m old enough to remember this JFK speech.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouRbkBAOGEw
            It time for this old fart to go to bed.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Many Chinese people already speak English.
            I have been to the mainland several times. I never wanted for someone to kindly offer to translate. There is always someone on the street passing by who does.

            The will make very effective management when they take over.

            • Billy Jackson

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

              he puts it into words much much better than i can :)

              • clovis ray

                Mr. kaku.
                This is one of my favorites, he thinks and speaks so eloquently. he can convey his thoughts so easly. dummies like my self , can understand. smile

                • Billy Jackson

                  agreed, his ease of speaking and explaining is also one of the reasons i love to listen to him talk.

              • Alan DeAngelis
                • GreenWin

                  Michio insists that CF “has to work every time” to be taken seriously. Hot fusion has never come close to “working” (except in a H bomb.) Yet for 62 years at a cost of hundred of billions of taxpayer dollars – science has tried to make it work. Since CF has few if any of the problems of HF (destructive radiation, billion degree heat, unstable plasmas, stupefying cost) – would it be prudent to allocate maybe 5% HF budget to low temp fusion / anomalous heat?
                  Alien scientist is a great spokesperson. Michio has been also, but his time is running out.

            • Heath

              No one ever accused democracy of being efficient, but I’d rather have it.

              • Ophelia Rump

                So would I, but we both know that will never happen.

                • Heath

                  Well, I think that China has gambled that they can use the Art of War economically against the US to become a superpower, but they fail to understand how people react to prosperity. Taiwan first, then Shanghai have challenged that. Before long they will have a revolution on their hands.

                • Ophelia Rump

                  Perhaps it is you who is fierce and warlike.

                • Heath

                  Or just that my education is on how money influences history, current and future politics. Ah, political international economy. An interesting lens for recorded and unrecorded history. I wish for the Chinese to reduce pollution for this but I must admit that with the US, an embarrassing truth seems to change its will dramatically. I think with Darden, Vaughn and these other unnamed, sort of government involved companies, the US will not miss this chance. Energy as we have seen is a matter of US national security to the point of war (read Iraq). This has not gone unnoticed by the US and will be fully utilized. Else wise, why should IH even developed the e-cat in the US?

      • clovis ray

        Hi. billy
        you know 4 out of 3 people are bad at math, –smile

  • Alain Samoun

    It seems to me that there are others factors, than psychological, that can play in our context.
    The first one that come in mind is economical: Think about people,scientists,technicians and other workers who work for coal/oil and fission energies companies. Even to those who can be affected by the changing energy paradigm like automobiles/planes/ships…

    • Billy Jackson

      Every major shift in technology comes with its own disruption in the status quo. From the automobile, TV, electric circuitry, communications, nuclear plants and now the E-cat. when one sector improves it has a tendency to eliminate inefficiencies. in this case your talking about people and jobs.

      It is an unfortunate side effect of improving technologies, one that if we continue on our current trend will possibly cause social disruption on a large scale. It would be nice to see companies offer retraining or re-schooling for long term workers displaced by these improvements, unfortunately we are speaking of the same companies who are willing to fire 5000-25,000 people not because they cant afford to pay them.. but so that they can meet some imaginary quarterly earnings someone said they need to make to be a “viable” company..

      Any given individual is responsible for himself, as such if you’re in a given field, it is your responsibility to keep an eye on the growing trends or upcoming changes that possibly effect that field and them personally. Knowledge and resources exist at this moment so that if i was in the Oil industry it would be in my best interest to learn just a little bit about whats going on to make myself more viable and valuable to chosen workforce.

      Willful ignorance and complacency is not anyone’s fault but the individual who sat there going i have a job.. so everything else is okay. People fear change and will spend more energy attempting to stop change rather than adapting to or learning how to take advantage for self improvement.

      this is nothing more than the grasshopper and the ant story.. the decision is .. what will you do to ensure that you have food for the winter?

      • Alain Samoun

        I think that you underestimate the change Billy: if the e-cat, or another lenr animal, produces as much energy power than the nuclear fission without its inconvenients, we are going to see the collasp of the society that we know today. Energy is the main thing that governs the world, from particules to galaxies…

  • Ophelia Rump

    It’s already too late.
    If no one else want’s it, China won’t mind.

  • mike

    No, one law defying pulse is all that should be needed. Skeptopaths raised the bar to unreasonable levels. And the likes of you continue to legitimize it. The fully working device is what engineering and r&d are for.

    • DocSiders

      Hey, Mike… I agree with you. Sagan’s famous “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof” is wrong. Extraordinary claims require proof PERIOD. Problem is— science is “broken”. Money drives (most) scientific research and whoever writes the checks better get the results they want or the checks will stop coming.

      • clovis ray

        I don’t know what academia is going to do but Dr, Rossi is going to let the market decide, ha,ha, ha, lol

  • Billy Jackson

    were suppose to get paid??!!! O.o

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

    this paradoxical reinforcement of denial, ignorance of evidence, terror agains dissenters, is well explained and modelized by Beanabou

    http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf

    it is linked to the impact of the group delusion on individual.
    if the delusion is toxic for a dissenter, then people choose not to dissent and to punish the dissenters… the more it is toxic, the more the evidence are strong, the more violent is the reaction.

    as you all have noticed there is no limit to the capacity to reject evidences with fallacious reasoning, to violate basic rules of logic, of ethic, of science, of commonsens, and to refuse to admit it whan face to clear absurdity if them…

    you can see people say that what cannot be easily repeated is void, and they refuse to consider that transitor is so. you can show the the list of 153 peer review papers and they will invent 153 bad excuses, that applied to any scientific result would cancel it…

    there is no logic, it is desperate fear to face the others who are lost in delusion.
    this is why all they wait is that some authority stop to be deluded.

    sadly the test report will be ignored as the thousands of clear evidence. only when new fortune 100 in a western country will jump in LENR will they reconsider their myth…
    the good news is that it is happening, but still not in public. stay tuned

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “The pressure for conformity is enormous. I have experienced it in editors’ rejection of submitted papers, based on venomous criticism of anonymous referees. The replacement of impartial reviewing by censorship will be the death of science.”

      Julian Schwinger
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Schwinger

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Thank Billy.
    By the way, Cambridge will have to thank Brian Josephson (the guy how was never given a Knighthood) for saving its reputation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Josephson

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes, I’m illiterate.

      the guy WHO

  • ecatworld

    Thanks for this post, Billy. A good reminder. I am sure there will be those who approach the report from the perspective of — “ok, let’s find the fatal flaw”, and will start hunting right away for something that they think will bring the whole report down. I hope the testers will have been wise enough to have closed obvious loopholes; but I guess you can’t make anything like this totally bulletproof.

    Fortunately the future of the E-Cat does not ride on this report. Rossi says that they will move ahead with their commercialization plans regardless of what the report says, and I certainly hope it won’t be too long before the first working plant is revealed.

    • Billy Jackson

      No Sir. Thank You. For making such a wonderful site with a great community.

      I am grateful that you have provided this forum for discussion. I shall continue to educate myself through the varied deliberations. It has been most educational as even those who provide opposing view points bring with them not only more questions but different perspectives that add to our collective knowledge.

      I have also taken a view point “beyond” the report or even beyond Rossi if i am to be honest. I simply have not discussed it as it hasn’t become pertinent just yet. I simply do not wish to get ahead of myself or the current status of the E-cat due to unforeseen changes that can impact all of our discussions.

    • mike

      Don’t hold your breath. You think evil will die with proof? No way in hell.

  • MarcIrvin

    This essay gets a complete thumbs up for me. Thanks for reminding us to be tolerant of the skepticism that is certain to assail us when the report is released. Rossi has stated that contacts in the test group have reported that a polarity exists among the reviewers. I was disheartened by that revelation. This essay puts things back in perspective. Good job.

    • ecatworld

      Hi Marc, it was me, not Rossi, who reported about ‘polarized opinions’, and the ‘polarized opinions’ are not among the testers — it’s among the public, and that’s why they are not pre-releasing any information about the report.

      • psi2u2

        Thanks for that save.

    • Billy Jackson

      without a doubt the scientist reviewing the demonstrations are under tremendous pressure which can have a polarizing effect on them. this type of report is a career maker or buster, the thoughts going through the minds of this team at this time.. i wish them much tranquility and peace.. i am sure they need it.

      Also remember that while you are correct about the tolerance for skepticism, the same tolerance and caution must be applied to those who are over enthused to the point of not accepting the challenges that LENR still face.

      • bkrharold

        Remember that Rossi is just one of many people who are working in LENR who have successfully duplicated the original work by Pons and Fleischmann. The third party report will validate Rossis LENR+ effect, there is no doubt that LENR exists.

    • GreenWin

      Marc – read Admin’s comments. There is no polarity in reviewers – there IS polarity from skeps. Nothing new. @ Billy, none of the scientist reviewers have “career” concerns. They need only to be honest and write the facts.

  • roseland67

    Billy,
    Maybe Irrefutable evidence, but not truth.
    Political, Religious and Spiritual Truths are irrefutable to those who
    believe what they are told to believe without questioning the source,
    evidence be damned.
    However, to a scientist, engineer, researcher etc, evidence not truth,
    will win the day.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Your model is purist.
      Please consider the varying shades of intensity between the black and white ends of your polarization.

    • Billy Jackson

      While politically correct in your statement, i find that the spirit of my statement stands faithfully secure against the impediments of misunderstanding.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Reading this correction to our misguided perception will only make things worse.
    Billy, what have you done?

    • Billy Jackson

      went against all socially accepted norms and tried to think for myself? :)

      • Ophelia Rump

        I hope you never get your hands on the killer joke!

        • Billy Jackson

          I fear to respond due to the oncoming effect of the giggles…

      • psi2u2

        oops!!!

  • GreenWin

    Well put Billy. The MIT fiasco will be front and center at Congressional Hearings on CF repression. House cleaning will follow. More importantly will be the realization that mere reflection of actions does not constitute healthy education. Especially when bias clouds the mirror. Intelligence is nurtured not by a simple feedback loop, but by the spiritual and material support of others.

  • georgehants

    Billy, what a good and important report, based entirely on scientific facts that have been known for a very long time.
    This report could be argued to be more important than Cold fusion, as the errors in thinking that you describe lead to a society that can never make the best of itself.
    GOOD EDUCATION is the answer, I think, but now one starts with the problem that most of the educators are afflicted with the same disease.
    I personally, strongly take your last sentence to be true except that throughout history many have tried that approach which has clearly failed.
    I will therefore continue to correctly point out the Facts of the suffering etc. that this psychologically defective thinking causes.
    It may be to some extent excusable in the general population, but in science where their education is supposed to pre-select only people able to understand that Facts, Evidence and Truth are the paramount necessities of their profession it is inexcusable and as with Cold Fusion etc. does nothing but to delay progress and cause untold suffering to many people.

    • Billy Jackson

      I find that the powerful few wield their influence out of proportion to their own worth, in such a way that those below them risk their careers or tenure for having the audacity to speak out against the establishment. I do not wish to label every scientist with this affliction as proof against such a statement is right before our eyes.

      yet it happens enough that the stigma of the label has a tendency to stick.

      • georgehants

        Billy, the reasons are deep and psychological and used by routinely by those with the knowledge, to manipulate the unthinking or those members of society understandably unable or to busy living their lives to be aware of these things.
        But scientists should pride themselves on being aware of this and capable of seeing clear through the corruption and incompetence displayed in Cold Fusion etc.
        I will say no more on this subject, but observe what other clever readers think and write.

        • Billy Jackson

          I think that every scientist should aspire to attain the goals you have outlined. Unfortunately i think that many lack the freedom or willpower to do so. I do not wish to call it human nature. But it is rare for an individual to overcome his education, Ideology, preconceived perception, and personal bias toward a given subject. the more controversial the subject the greater the difficulty.

          It is a greater sadness that when such an individual does achieve this he is instead dispensed with or disregarded without further notice due to his ability to challenge the accepted norm.

          • georgehants

            Billy, thank you and so agree, good to talk to a man with the courage and insight to recognise the situation.
            Recognition by a few is of course the first step, recognition by many next and then, how best or at least to try and solve the problem.
            Well, we are on a scientific site so one would think there should be plenty of input on the best ways to proceed.
            Best

  • MikeBucci

    Great post!

  • Curbina

    Very good post, but will probably stir the waters for the “skeptics”.

    • peter gluck

      Really very good, i was also impressed in illo tempore, see please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2011/01/how-facts-backfire.html

      However regarding cold fusion- wet electro-chemical i.e. its initial larvar form it seems nothing can help- the salvation of the prestige and of the future can come only from the developed mature form a la Rossi and DGT. ‘Gain power from accepting reality’ sounds fine but in practice it is difficult.
      Peter

      • Curbina

        Thanks Mr. Gluck, that article you link in your blog is really sobering. And here are all hoping to have that really strong evidence that will turn the tide in favor of the acceptance of “cold fusion”. Perhaps this other article is fitting to this topic too: http://blog.vixra.org/category/crackpots-who-were-right/

        • peter gluck

          Dear Curbina,
          Just call me Peter, please. What will be accepted and embraced is not the initial cold fusion but a superior metamorphosed process deriving from it.
          Please have the kindness and curiosity to read papers no 39 and 40 from the list I gave at my blog comments to backfiring facts

          Thnk you for te crackpots link, instructive.
          Peter