Rossi Provides More Details About First Commercial E-Cat Plant: Must Produce Steam 24h/day, 350 Days/year

There’s not a huge amount of detail provided here, but it’s always interesting for me to get any information about the first 1 MW plant which we suppose will be put into action, and made public, sometime this year. The following is an exchange between a reader and Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics from yesterday:

DTravchenko
July 29th, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Another question: the 1 MW plant that is going in operation in the factory of a US customer how many hours per year will work?
Warm Regards,
D.T.

Andrea Rossi
July 29th, 2014 at 4:44 PM
DTravchenko:
The plant has to work 24 hours/ day for 350 days/year, producing 1 MWh/h of heat in the form of steam.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

350 days x 24 hours makes for 8400 hours of operation — probably continuous. My guess from the numbers that Rossi provides is the factory where the plant will be instaled might have a scheduled two-week shut-down period for maintenance purposes. I guess there are hundreds or thousands of industrial processes that could require continuous heat in the form of steam, so it’s not possible to guess what kind of production is involved here — but Rossi talks about ‘heat in the form of steam’ here, so it appears that this will be a ‘low temperature’ E-Cat application.

If Industrial Heat can provide heat to these specifications at significant savings for the customer over alternatives, this will be a real landmark achievement in the history of technology. Not only will there be the immediate cost benefit to the customer, but I think more importantly, it will demonstrate the arrival of a previously unknown (and widely regarded as impossible) energy source that is an improvement on anything we have used before, and I would expect that publicly demonstrating it work successfully will get a lot of people interested very quickly.

  • pelgrim108

    How much of the 14.3 cents is caused by quantitative easing inflation?
    Quantitative easing has some lag time as the Big Banksters get to spend the money first before it works it way down the economy.

  • Omega Z

    “1 MWh/h?”
    1 Megawatt hour/heat
    It is an important distinction between heat & electric.

    • pelgrim108

      Andrea Rossi
      July 29th, 2014 at 7:22 AM

      In a nutshell: to install a 1 MW power windmill and to have a wind energy that can yeld an average of 50 kWh/h is like to have a Ferrari with 10 liters ( 2.5 gallons) of gasoline per month.

      Andrea Rossi is using the term here to indicate average energy yield.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    The one solution for all conflicts would be to allow children to receive an education. Education, not indoctrination. War can only fuel hatred, fanaticism and wilful ignorance.

    • georgehants

      Remove capitalism and the rich and powerful and teach children to care for others and most problems would start to improve.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        The third option is easier than the first two, IMO…. Though, yes, I agree, utopia in practice.

  • pelgrim108

    1 MWh/h indicates an average power production over some time.

  • Chris Marshalk

    I’ll be happy for the plant to work 24 hours a day for 180 days a year. It’s start of AUGUST 2014, i’m still sitting & waiting for something concrete that will rock this world with an announcement.

  • GreenWin

    @GeorgeH,

    I think you’ll find these comments on “How Science Can Lose its Way” by Mel Acheson interesting. He comments on the dangers of “consensus” science, and how strict laws and theories produce the illusion of perfect vision. Start around 8:50 if you want the best material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE09IwQUV2k

    • Ophelia Rump

      I think you have to face the facts, in all of physics there are only a dozen or so important questions left, and then the field will be exhausted, burned out forever, kaput!

      Just kidding. There seem to be many in who have this as a default setting, I doubt they are even aware of their own lack of scope.

      • Fortyniner

        “There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.” ~ William Thomson (Lord Kelvin), 1900.

  • Ophelia Rump

    A number of US states require by law that electric companies buy back power from customers at near market value. You simply run the meter backward.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Perhaps they know that words will keep no one warm and remain resolute to action.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If the E-Cat were used only for commercial ovens, the impact on feeding humanity would be stupendous.

  • Omega Z

    Just for grins: 120’C=248’F –LT E-cat fits the bill very well.

    Canning temperature for acid fruits, tomatoes, pickles, and jellied products in a boiling-water canner. 212°F
    Canning temperatures for low acid vegetables, meat, and poultry in/at 10 pounds pressure canner 240 to 250°F
    It would also be well suited the blanching process for pre-process frozen food.

    There’s at least a half dozen operations like this within 30 miles or so from Raleigh, North Carolina and as you can see, this would be a big benefit in a tough, very competitive business. Heat would be 1 of the single biggest expenses.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2013/12/31/new-buyer-for-allens-could-keep-nc.html

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, I was going to mention food processing. I think that is a prime candidate – big business, and energy is a key factor in their costs.

  • artefact

    From JONP:
    “Andrea Rossi
    July 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    George M::
    The 1 MW plant is not a demo, is a plant in operation to work for a Customer. It is a factory, not a show room !
    Visits will be allowed when the Customer will allow them, maybe within the year. This plant will make history, if the results will be positive, and every step has to be calculated with precision.
    I have to add that the results could be positive, but also negative and that the results will be considered positive only after months of regular and reliable operation.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • Daniel Maris

      Great news. If it was just AR saying this, that would be one thing but it is encouraging to know he says this in the context of being an officer of a company involving responsible investors like Darden and Vaughan.

  • peter gluck

    Unfortunately later Rossi repeats his stereotypy with the results being
    possibly positive or negative- without definitions or measure.
    The results can be considered negative -if improvements are necessary
    what’s natural and vital for any technology all the time.
    The results are clearly negative if COP is less than 1, or the plant is
    a “perpetuum stabile’ the antinomy of perpetuum mobile.
    The results are technologically negative if for electric input and thermal output
    COP<3 because high currency electric energy is normally three times more expenisve than low currency thermal energy..
    But the buyer knows these facts better, for sure.
    peter

    • Omega Z

      I believe Rossi has also stated that the info/results of the test 1Mw E-cat will not be made public until after the TIP2 report is published.

    • Barry8

      I think Rossi was over-enthusiastic in the past, making claims prematurely perhaps. Where now he’s making an effort to be neutral, perhaps under the thumb of IH. He seems to be playing “good COP, bad COP”.

    • US_Citizen71

      Rossi’s NDA with IH likely states something along the lines of ‘he cannot confirm or deny speculation concerning unreleased tests, products or related information’. I think that is the reason for the positive or negative boiler plate. As for the COP he has always said six. That should work out to something like 50-60% savings if the plant was using natural gas. That could fluctuate due to fracking bringing more gas on line. If the plant adds some solar cells on the roof or some windmills next to the parking lot to power the ECats the savings could be upwards of 100%. But they do have to pay for the infrastructure to get there. Several current government programs could easily be used to help pay for it. We will see, exciting if it pans out.

      • peter gluck

        Dear US 71,
        Thanks, very good reasoning, IH is in complete dark as it’s logic and efficient for the stage of work. They don’t make publicity, have no relations with the press, however they let Rossi to do a bit of pseudo-show as long he does not tell
        anything sensitive or important.
        The protective, industrial spies-repelling effect of the Rossi detractors as
        Steve Krivit, Gary Wright, Mary Yugo, Joshua Cude is not more working, IH has to take secrecy seriously. Years ago I have made a SWOT analysis of the first LENR+ technology; if we uptodate it, it will be easy to see what the greatest
        T(h) reat is NOW.
        It is sure IH loves nice curious, empatethic, Ecatphilic people as many of the readers here- but not so much as creating unnecessary problems for themselves

        RO77 )(or 37?) alias peter

  • wpj

    Sounds to me like a bakery. This requires steam at 180-200 C to make plastic American bread.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Do you loath baked goods so much?
      Donuts, to you, bagels and fat loaves galore! Gluten by the truckload!

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

    In that discussion some observers

    https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494390001401352193

    interpreted the lack of self-sustain as a failure of the report ?
    or is there another quote that let some doubt about the test result ?

    or is there ellucubration on Sylvie Coyaud crackpot, on cobraf, on fusionnefredda?

    strange, because for now the failure of the test breaks all logic.

    • ecatworld

      I can’t see how they come to that conclusion based on Rossi’s response.

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        me neither ?
        My nasty twin same that they are irrational to a level that I cannot imagine, but really he is too nasty. there is limit… they probably have found something , but where ?
        maybe among the Italian discussion with S Coyaud fanclub?

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        Prometheus have answered, this is just naive interpretation of the non infinite COP.
        many people don’t understand that all energy sources consume some energy to be started and maintained, and simply some recycle some of their produced energy as input to obtaine an infinite COP on the longterm.

        in fact if you admit any machine have a finite life and consume energy at least for starting, no COP is even infinite.

        reoeat after myth :

        BARBECUE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE YOU NEED ENERGY TO START IT.
        FURNACE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE THE PUMP NEED ENERGY TO HEAT THE HOUSE.

        PANIC!

        anyway this is a common misunderstanding. we don’t understand the effort it is to make a power plant self-sustaining. see just for a car ?

    • http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ barty

      Who is this guy?

      After reading his next tweet here: https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494391799067463680
      I got the impression that he missed the whole e-cat story.

      Don’t care about him, it’s an idiot.

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        prometheus seems an industrial innovator, and he is open but skeptic…

        tim is a Sylvie Coyaud or a Mirror (Futura science)…
        Mary yugo and many skeptics are at least more competent, even if selectively.

  • Gerard McEk

    I guess it is not used to heat water to steam, but to overheat steam. Then the Hot-cat can be used and to temperatures above 500 degree C.