Cold Fusion Seminar at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Russia

Thanks to Pelgrim108 for finding a report of a seminar held at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia on July 7th, 2014 at which Edward Tsyganov gave a lecture where he presented his views on a theoretical basis for cold fusion.

Here’s a description of his theoretical position from a (Google translated) report.

Professor Edward Tsyganov said: at saturation conductive crystals deuterium atoms availability of electrons in the crystal lattice potential niches conductor leads to a ban for unexcited deuterium atoms occupy these niches. At the same time, even the first atomic excitation level of deuterium removes the ban. When after all potential niches are already once filled by deuterium atoms, further saturation deuterium potential niches crystal gives rise to one such niche twin clusters of atoms.

In most of these clusters deuterium nuclei are pulled together by 1/10 – 1/20 of the nominal size of these atoms. Zero quantum vibration of adjacent deuterium nuclei rather quickly lead to the penetration of two deuterium nuclei through the residual Coulomb barrier. Spatial orientation of the deuterium atom in the crystal lattice under strictly deterministic with respect to one of the spatial directions of the crystal lattice.

The report also discussed the further dissipation of energy during the transition from the excited state of 4 He * to the ground state formed the nucleus 4 He (~ 24 MeV).

The translation here is a little unclear, but I wonder if the word ‘niches’ used here could correspond to the ‘cracks’, or imperfections that are proposed by Edmund Storms to be the active requirement for a Nuclear Active Environment where cold fusion reactions can occur.

If we have any Russian speakers who can help us, it would be appreciated! Below is a video — in Russian — which reports on the event, and in which Tsyganov talks about his ideas.

The Joint Institute for Nuclear Research is an intergovernmental scientific research organization with members mainly from countries allied with, or from the former Soviet Union. There are also agreements to work with Egypt, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Serbia and the Republic of South Africa. According to the JINR website, “The research policy of JINR is determined by the Scientific Council, which consists of eminent scientists from the Member States as well as famous researchers from China, France, Germany, Greece, India, Italy, Switzerland, the USA, and the European Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN).”

  • Job001

    Agreed with the proviso that the “light at the end of the tunnel” is sometimes a locomotive, and when it is a high rate learning curve exponential new technology it blows us away. Consider learning curve rough values per year;

    Nuclear (2%)

    NG Turbines 1%

    Wind 4%

    Solar 13%cells, 7%Installed

    Hot fusion 20%Research

    LENR 30% Research

    Moore’s Law 40%

    These are my rough illustrative estimates – no references will be provided, they come from learning curves charts you may google.

    The point is this, solar is starting to shock the utilities into panic mode. LENR commercialization will be double or triple shock while Moore’s law was quadruple shock.

    It helps us linear thinkers to use learning curve values. These are the race horse speed estimates. LENR and Hot fusion have not entered the race yet, but look out when they do, and they will most assuredly, 3000 LENR reports and counting, this is not a negligible research effort by few but includes major players.

    Due to the many more degrees of freedom LENR with a higher learning curve speed can be handicapped ahead of hot fusion which had a 30 year head start and billions more of funding.

  • Gordon Docherty

    Brillouin Zones, pockets left by metal hydride dissociation and natural “Casimir-sized” cavities (pores, flaws). Re. metal hydrides:

    Most metal hydrides bind with hydrogen very strongly. As a result high temperatures around 120 °C (248 °F) – 200 °C (392 °F) are required to release their hydrogen content.

    This figure is in-line with initial heating of LENR systems to 186C + to initiate the reaction sequence (releasing protium)… so long as the crystal lattice is first saturated. This is probably the “Magic Sauce” needed in Ni-H systems – that is, part of the initiator (the other required elements being pressure to maintain crystal lattice saturation, heat to release the initiator, and high frequency phononic and photonic waves to overcome residual Coloumb barrier resistance between now resonant monatomic hydrogen chains (hydrotons) and paired-nuclei (resonance leading to zero impedence leading to free exchange of energy between particles). The Brillouin Zones, metal hydride dissociation pockets and natural “Casimir-sized” cavities (pores, flaws) provide deep potential wells within which the probability of collisions between nuclei (fusion) greatly increases. It has also been postulated that, in Casimir cavities in particular, there might be time compression effects occurring – that is, the opposite effect of those theorized around super-heavy objects – effects that also increase the probability of collisions happening, at least as re-expressed in terms of out “normal” Earth time frame of reference – that is Casimir cavities may well have a secondary effect (in addition to geometrical constraint and potential wells) of acting like a “fast forward” button on a tape or VCR. Finally, with certain metal hydride combinations, it may well be possible to reduce the temperature at which dissociation occurs to around 100C – one of the many tweaks that will likely happen as LENR technology progresses.

    Finally, referring back to the above presentation:

    “In most of these clusters deuterium nuclei are pulled together by 1/10 – 1/20 of the nominal size of these atoms.”

    This is highly reminiscent of Mill’s Hydrinos – that is, whether Hydrino or full fusion is seen may well be a matter of how far the reaction goes, and that Hydrino and LENR theory will end up not being contradictory, but complimentary…

    Hydrinos, Dark Matter and the Fractal Nature of things…

    One final “idea” (and nothing to do with anything else here, but I thought I would drop it in as Hydrinos may well be the elusive Dark Matter of the universe) – what if the Big Bang was actually an explosion INTO a much bigger universe of Dark Matter, with the “material” of the Big Bang coming from that universe. So, instead of “Dark Matter” being a product of and inside our universe, our “universe” (the one we interact with and can “see”) is inside the Dark Matter universe, and that our universe is expanding out into (the already existing) Dark Matter universe. This would have major implications for:

    1. expansion – matter interacts only weakly with Dark Matter.
    2. the number of matter universes in the bigger “Dark Matter” universe – may help explain acceleration of expansion, as our universe comes under the influence of neighbouring (also exploding) matter universes.
    3. the status of Dark Matter. Instead of being a resultant product, it is primordial in nature.

    Finally, the energy powering this “Dark Universe” is none other than Space energy – and especially the energy it subsumes – Zero Point energy.

    “Universes of light and matter” (the one we know being such an example) form out of local inbalances between otherwise uniform space energies and dark matter – and that they keep on forming and reforming. The universe we know then becomes just a “dot” in a bigger picture, just as , going the other way, the universe breaks down into filaments, filaments into super-clusters, super-clusters into clusters, clusters into galaxies, galaxies into stars and so on. It has always bothered me that the universe was the upper bound – just doesn’t fit the fractal nature of the universe as we experience it…

    • blanco69

      Excellent post GD! How many times in the past has our understanding of two theories turned out to be different facets of the same thing. We seem to be heading towards some sort of crunch point in the next few months. Lets hope the practical guys can deliver what the theoretical guys seem to be saying. By the way, your primordial dark matter theory is quite profound, simple and elegant, just as Nature intended.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks Gordon. Provocative ideas. The Casimer “cavities” conform to Storms’ NAEs and also add ZP energy, making the system “open.” If one could fabricate a thin film (membrane) of precise Casimer-sized gaps numbering ~10^6 wired in parallel – it should produce virtual current. Nano-engineering could direct that current to photonic/phononic radiators needed for Coulomb depression. Further, as you note, temporal acceleration may increase overall system effect by orders of magnitude.

    • JDM

      Could the temporal effects cause gammas at the atomic level to appears as lower (say IR) frequencies as viewed from our time reference?

      • GreenWin

        Interesting thought JDM. However, if Casimir effect accelerates time, attendant radiation would shift upward as viewed from our frame. Froarty suggests Casimir causes relativistic appearance of fractional H from our frame. Mills confirms signature UV (soft X-ray) in hydrino transitions.

        • Fortyniner

          I think I’m with JDM here. When radiation moves from a zone of compressed time to one of ‘normal’ time, space will appear to expand because lightspeed, c, will fall to its ‘normal’ value in our spacetime. In effect, space will be compressed in the Casimir zone (relative to our space) and as it ‘expands’ on exiting the compression zone, radiation wavelengths will increase in proportion to the degree of compression/expansion.

          An explanation for non-relativistic redshift observed in some nearby quasars (Halton Arp) is still required, and local distortions of spacetime of this type, originating at the nucleonic level, seem to fit the bill rather well.

          • GreenWin

            Peter, yes I can see your point if we view the phenomena from the Casimir frame. The evidence of LENR-based UV is everywhere in Mills experiments including his Ni+H work.

            How about if we built a gamma detector into a thin film Casimir matrix. The detector would have to sit inside the Casimir zone(s). We would also put a UV detector outside the matrix. Don’t know enough about nano-materials fabrication if this is possible. But it might also be possible to sit a Casimir matrix on top of a CR-39 substrate. This is the material SPAWAR used to confirm energetic particles from their D2 electrolytic cells.

            I just watched a lecture by a materials guy Chris Nagel who talked about twisting and bending energy into knots. He’s made copper transparent and magnetic with these ideas. His business, Continuum Energy Technologies is testing a “LENR ECD Thermal Generator” for NASA. Bending energy may be reason for Mizzuno/Ahern observation of neutron bursts in D2 gas subjected to strong magnetic fields (Ahern interview.)

            It is all beginning to take shape – though just what that shape is, is unclear. But it seems fairly certain we’re in for some new physics as this story continues to unfold… time and space. 🙂

            • Fortyniner

              Any detectors (possible or not!) would be subject to the ‘rules’ of their own spacetime and I believe that they would both show exactly the same wavelengths being emitted, i.e. what we would see as (say) FUV would also be seen as FUV within the Casimir spatial/temporal distortion zone. It’s only if it were possible to somehow ‘peer into’ the zone and see things measured by our clocks that the disparity would be apparent.

              Of course this is the direct equivalent of thought experiments that try to describe two viewpoints separated by a relativistic speed of recession, and can probably be described in exactly the same way, using Einstein’s maths (but not by me, sadly).

              The two papers on the site you link to are interesting, but the appendices – procedures for ‘photonic tailoring’ – read like magic rituals. Is this stuff for real?

              What is the significance of the Fibonacci sequence here – a simple cumulative series? It might have significance for reproducing rabbits (and many other biological patterns) but seems to be basically a mathematical toy.

              Why use minutes, an arbitrary unit, as a time base arranged in the initial Fibonacci sequence, and for that matter, on what basis are the various oscillating field and light frequencies chosen? What power levels are used, and what exactly are these apparently minimal inputs supposed to be doing to the substrate?

              Without any apparent theoretical basis, this stuff reads like science fiction. I suppose I need to look at the patents mentioned, but a couple of pints of scrumpy cider mean that this would be a pointless exercise just now. Perhaps after some coffee tomorrow…

              • GreenWin

                Hmmm, lots to think on. I had imagined the ‘peer in’ scenario where we could “see” gamma in the zone, and UV outside the zone. It causes headache with or without scrumpy. Perhaps temporal differential – and virtual particle delta – explains the huge apparent release of energy in these systems?

                Did not read the appendix of the Continuum paper. Though in the lecture I followed, Chris does say most people dismiss their work as unbelievable. We seem to be running into these expansive physics more often recently. Intuition suggests the Fibonnaci sequence describes their tailoring of atomic/molecular geometry. Geometry plays a role in LENR, and many exotic reactions. Maybe by invoking nature’s geometric efficiency, they get exotic materials. The lack of details is likely due to their IP posture. So far, I have found no details on their NASA contract to test a LENR “thermal generator.”

                Continuum claims the former President of MIT as an adviser.

    • Fortyniner

      Fascinating idea. I assume that the implication is that some form of energy from ‘outside’ the dark matter universe may be absorbed en masse by sub-ground-state electrons, resulting in a proportion of the hydrinos in the location of the ‘event’ becoming hydrogen and creating a light/matter universe. Perhaps something related to the continual production of virtual particles in free space, but massively more intense, and also localised relative to ‘dark matter space’?

  • jousterusa

    Thanks for the translatioon instructiions, pelgrim, but when I click on the white rectange I get a menu that does NOT include translation….

    • pelgrim108

      If you click that white filled-in rectangle, you first push the “on” button, then where it says “russian translation” thats a drop down menu with a very small triangle on it for the dropping down, you have to place your mouse very precise on that to drop down the menu. After that it should include “translate captions”.

  • jousterusa

    Here is a theoretical model for the existence of hydrino states”

  • Job001

    I’m cool with “no” as indicative of “very long shot odds”.

  • in english
  • Job001

    Tsyganov, Mills, and Storms all have mechanisms for lowering and overcoming the coulomb barrier, in order;Electron structure 2p vs 1s;hydrino;hydroton Other methods include the muon, and the slow neutrino, tunneling, and the hot fusion extreme velocity(via high temperature & density) method.

    .The 2p electrons have been observed by electron microscope.

    .NAE have been observed several ways including thermal microscopic camera and electron microscope analysis of NAE spots after run studies.

    .Mills spectroscopic data, theory and analysis shows hydrinos(fractional electron hydrogen atom states may arise within lattice).

    .The hydroton is a metallic chain elemental state.

    .The muon is a very small neutral atom with an extremely heavy electron.

    .The slow neutrino is an atomic structure without charge.

    .Tunneling occurs in semiconductors and is essential for computer memory and transistor performance.

    Storms impressive work “Explaining Cold Fusion” shows how the NAE(nuclear active environment), thermodynamics, and the laws of physics must work together to explain all cold fusion models. Storms work, while impressive, does not necessarily rule out any of the other mechanisms being present in or on NAE surface lattice.

    I’ve listed these 7 means of overcoming the coulomb barrier to show the coulomb barrier is not a law but a heuristic, see

    I’m enjoying the thoughtfulness of all CF researchers who generally have given their careers and lives to this effort. I respect their efforts. Unnecessary judgementalism isn’t actually required, it is difficult research yielding progressively better results. It is a fun horse race, will one of the many CF efforts beat HF to market? Faster improvement to results with lower certification, regulation, and engineering hurdles and more flexibility make CF the more likely winner, IMO.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Mills has a exotic high temperature HHO Generator.

      • Job001

        Note, Mills is included among all the “Dark horses”. Long shot dark horses often win when the main leaders stumble and pile up for obscure reasons, thus I handicap and include rather than judge and exclude.

        Mills has the wrong “metaphors” to appeal to “old school”, so he like historically wrong metaphor inventors(.e. “heavier than air” flying machine) may have better odds than general disdain would assumed.

    • GreenWin

      Good post Job. Helpful to see the dynamic range in these theories. Reminds of the 2012 conference in Italy titled The Atom Unexplored:

  • pelgrim108

    There is an option to view the video with English subtitles (atomatic translation)

    1. click youtube logo bottom right.
    2. pause video
    3. click white rectangle bottom right and select “on”,
    then select from the menu above ” translate subtitles”
    4. a drop down menu apears where you can select ( by scrolling ) “english – english”
    5. press “ok” buttun
    6. press play