John Maguire Interviews Edmund Storms about Recently Published Book on LENR

John Maguire of the Q-Niverse has conducted a very interesting interview with Dr. Edumund Storms, author of the recently published book The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction: An Examination of the Relationship Between Observation and Explanation. It’s a wide ranging interview in which Storms explains his understanding of the conditions in which cold fusion occurs.

Storms basic position (very simply explained) is that cold fusion reactions occur in a Nuclear Active Environment (NAE) which is formed in the surface of a material such as nickel or palladium in ‘cracks’ or ‘nanogaps’ (not in the metal latttice). When loaded with hydrogen, a structure Storms calls a ‘Hydroton’ is formed in this NAE which has the ability to overcome the Coulomb barrier (Storms writes by the processes of “screening, tunneling, or being forced closer by a resonance process”) which results in the release of energy in the form of photon radiation. Transumutation occurs when the an element other than hydrogen is attached to the Hydroton.

I am impressed with the clarity of Storms’ thinking in this interview and in his book, and also by John Maguire’s perceptive and informed questioning. I think the whole thing is well worth listening to!

  • MasterBlaster7

    The 2 theorists I watch the most are Storms and Hagelstein. Storms thinks its in the crack…Hagelstein thinks it is in the vacancies within the shallow surface area of the material.

  • ecatworld

    It’s in the posting rules, Hector: http://www.e-catworld.com/posting-rules/

  • georgehants

    One might think that the areas of QED and the radiations had been very deeply investigated over the years.
    It would seem that somebody would have tripped over a situation in which the conditions would, if met give a high energy output.
    Always possible it has just been missed, but not unreasonable to think of an unknown, completely new effect.
    The problem with this is that Mr. Rossi (Focardi) seems certain he has a working theory in line with current knowledge.

  • Omega Z

    Note that some get low amounts of excess heat for very long periods.
    Others get high amounts of excess heat in spikes.
    Spikes, That’s Mill’s. He can’t manage steady output so he’s opting for a steady output of continuous spikes. I expect a multitude of engineering issues ahead.

  • steve high

    Don’t sweat it,man, I thought it kinda cute

  • Ophelia Rump

    There is no climate.
    Hawaii proves it, stop focusing on the transient exceptions.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is interesting that Storms believes that there are two types of reaction, one which transmutes, and one which does not.

    Regarding the idea of a resonant cavity. Microwaves are generated in such cavities. The size of the cavity and the frequency of resonance are critical in microwave production. Microwave cavities are very large in proportion to the microwaves. I have a hard time reconciling the difference in scale, and the requirement for the cavity to be in the nano range.

    What would that say about the relationship of the size and frequency of emitted energy from the nano cavity? If you extrapolated directly from microwave theory, what would be the characteristics of the emitted energy? Surely something of much higher frequency than microwave.
    Another discontinuity with the microwave model is fact that microwaves are generated from the energy of electrons, no excess energy involved. I think the analogy is false.

    • BroKeeper

      I understood from the interview particle sizes were in the 3-5 nano range thus requiring
      surface cracks within pico sizes. Also aren’t cracks themselves decreasing in widths the deeper they go? This would require wavelengths much smaller than microwave limit of 1 mm. So is the control system generating ultra high waves to obtain required excitation? Also, I have understood ultrasound waves may also be used in the micro wave ranges. Ophelia, do you have any further insight on this?

      • Ophelia Rump

        I do not know.
        I think that something entirely different is happening.

    • Foks0904 .

      Very interesting. Yes I have seen a lot of reference to nano-QED for example, where the EM dynamics of resonating cavities are explored. I think you’re right, and I have seen a guy with a silly pseudonym called GoatGuy, make a very heady-critique of WLT on these very grounds. A surface generated field will have a very hard time of “fitting” into the cavity and causing any significant effects. With that said, I think there has been some exploration of ZPE / Casimir-effect in these cavities. But again these theories don’t explain how energy is dissipated. That is a difficult hurdle to overcome. But at the very least, we have some idea from this work that (1) they seem to exhibit superconducting properties in certain experiments, and (2) we know what structures have been demonstrated in these nano-cavity domains — specifically something similar to Ed’s polymer-like Hydroton-MH. I think much focus on nano-cavities and EM has to do with the work of Preparata that proposed huge quantum coherent effects throughout the lattice. That might be happening, but there is no sure-fire proof at the moment, even if provocative

      • Ophelia Rump

        Regarding the dissipation issue, If BroKeeper is correct in his insights that the reaction could occur inside sub pico openings, then the graduated scale of the cracking could account for the ability to release, it could also account for some of the explosive looking damage caused by energy releases, the release would not be explosive without confinement.

        I am referring to the images of the pitting and fissures in the catalyst, not the sparkley videos and demonstrations,

      • Ophelia Rump

        I believe that GoatGuy is legendary in his circle.
        His physics is strong.

        • MasterBlaster7

          I have been following Goat for some 10 years now….and I am never going to let him hear the end of it if Rossi succeeds….mostly in the form of mass calorimitry jokes.

    • MasterBlaster7

      I think Storms said there were 2 types of transmutation reactions….not one that transmutes and one that does not.

  • Bernie777

    Very intelligent questions and even more intelligent answers. For me the highlight of the interview was when Dr. Storms describes where the Nobel Prize will be found in LENR: Whoever finds out how the interaction between the nuclei determines when they have to give off energy as a proton.

    • Foks0904 .

      I think this is actually a challenge for all theories as well. Most of the relevant theories hypothesize some kind of cluster phenomenon in a non-bulk domain, mostly near the surface but perhaps also operating in the micro-domain bulk material. Regardless, all these have to provide a reason why no radiation is observed, and Ed’s is not a bad leap of faith. If we accept Kim BEC, we have to accept a huge amount of clustering hydrogen to account for the dissipation of energy via momentum of particles that are carried away in this “mini-explosion”. What is the nature & reality of that interaction? If we accept Takahashi TSC, how come we don’t see any radiation when the Be8 initially forms? What is the nature & reality of that interaction? It’s puzzling. And something like Widom-Larsen, which I’d classify as a kind of “Tier-2″ theory, has all kinds of problems associated with it that I won’t get into here.

      • Omega Z

        WLT, It appears most everyone knows it’s not right. But because it has gained some acceptance in some circles, Many are using it as a starting point to avoid some resistance.
        Whether this is a good or bad strategy remains to be seen.

  • Foks0904 .

    Thanks Frank for posting and thanks everyone for taking an interest. As Ed & I discuss, there is yet no penultimate theory, and Ed does not think his represents that. Rather he thinks it’s an improvement, nothing more, nothing less. Ed even encourages future theorists, if the theories end up not coinciding with experiment, throw them all out, including his own. While I think there are interesting self-organizing events that can happen in a Nano-cavity, I think there are so many strange things we can’t say for sure it’s Ed’s Hydrotonic Metallic Hydrogen. Maybe it is Takahashi’s TSC, or Kim’s BEC, or other kinds of exotic Rydberg clusters. All I know is that Ed’s theory takes almost an entire field into consideration, is logically sound, is in accordance with what he knows as a highly-trained chemist. Agree or disagree with him, I think he takes the “highest percentage” approach to theory so far, even if there are things you can disagree with here and there if you’re clever and know enough about some of the more esoteric science material.

    • georgehants

      Folks0904, you make it sound like the way all science should be looked at and handled.
      And if he is wrong, so what, the man has added to the thinking and understanding for future workers to learn from.
      Time to move away from the petty whiners, who achieve nothing but make science look ridiculous.

    • Broncobet

      Penultimate means second to last.

      • Foks0904 .

        Thanks for the correction. “ultimate” then.

  • Hector McNuget

    Sadly, fully understandment of LENR not made for me – yet! Mayhaps Dr Storms can make revolution making machine to vindictivate such theory’s. Perhaps some science to difficults for me, but not the giver-upper here.

    Forty-niner: as still not made unsterood of me, I beg repeated question for you make answers: how is climactic changes denialism more differently than LENR denialists? Easy to make find villanus denialists in both base-camps. Much the larger concensus on climactic changes then the LENR. How for me make distinctions LENR sciences good, climactic sciences bad? How I not know “corrupted” sciencetits in both base camps?

    Thank you for make clarifies.

    • Daniel Maris

      Hector – you speak with forked up tongue. I think you taking the peanuts.

      • Andy Kumar

        Daniel,
        As I had said earlier, most of the time rhetoric gets in the way of clear writing or clear understanding.
        Hector’s dialect makes you focus on content and meaning not the language (a rose by another name …).
        GreenWin is the other extreme. You get dazzled by his style and forget if there is any real content.

    • steve high

      OK What’s up with sciencetits? The mind boggles or mayhaps jiggles.

      • GreenWin

        A disappointing lack of originality. :>)

      • US_Citizen71

        Maybe they’re just a bit deflated and a little saggy as of late.

  • georgehants

    Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels,
    the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who
    see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote
    them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you
    can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.
    Steve Jobs (1955 – 2011)

    • BroKeeper

      “A mass in movement resists change of direction so does the world oppose a new idea.”

      Nikola Tesla

      • Hector McNuget

        Is Tesla have made plagiarizim of Newtons 1nd law? was big fan of Tesla, but not liking of copycats.

        • BroKeeper

          A lot we could dislike about egocentrics: “he (Newton) remained deeply insecure, given to fits of depression and outbursts of violent temper, and implacable in pursuit of anyone by whom he felt threatened”

          The Newton Project

  • georgehants

    A very rare report on real, important science beyond a steam engine from the scientific “gods”
    It of course would have ramifications regarding Cold Fusion
    ——–
    Scientific American.
    Rupert Sheldrake Discusses Morphic Resonance and Animal Telepathy with Scientific American
    Morphic resonance is the influence of previous structures of activity on
    subsequent similar structures of activity organized by morphic fields.
    It enables memories to pass across both space and time from the past.
    The greater the similarity, the greater the influence of morphic
    resonance. What this means is that all self-organizing systems, such as
    molecules, crystals, cells, plants, animals and animal societies, have a
    collective memory on which each individual draws and to which it
    contributes. In its most general sense this hypothesis implies that the
    so-called laws of nature are more like habits.
    http://www.dailygrail.com/Fresh-Science/2014/7/Rupert-Sheldrake-Discusses-Morphic-Resonance-and-Animal-Telepathy-Scientific-Am

    • GreenWin

      “[Sheldrake is] An astonishing scientist who has completely redefined the nature of causality.” Terrence McKenna

      • georgehants

        GreenWin, yes a very important scientist.
        His work on resonance has been around for many years, but still amazing that one of the establishment mouthpieces prints an honest report on something outside of the reductionist religion.

        • LilyLover

          When it’s a matter of life n death; even the establishment-journals will choose to do the right thing – jump ship to join the truthful side.
          To repent and seek forgiveness from the future compassionate master is easier than to disobey the current control-freak and angry master.

      • Hope4DBest

        It’s Terence, not Terrence.

    • Ophelia Rump

      The science of prophecy?
      I must have missed that on in the class listings?

  • BroKeeper

    I must say this is the most informative and honest explanation of LENR processes I have heard.
    In my opinion it has linked the experimental explanations posted from these forums and invested scientists into one viable logical conclusion. He explains why a narrow range of nano gap crack sizes verses lattice structures in specific metals work to produce the right proportional quantity of deuterium, tritium, and helium atoms without significant neutron releases are analyzed from these discoveries. Also with accurate energy accumulation per hydrogen fusions observed.

    He gives a perfect analogy of an object attached to a fixed spring vibrating up and down best describes the thermal dynamic processes between bonded hydrogen molecules within those narrow gaps explains why cold vs. hot fusion occurs. He explains that it releases gradually photon energy each time the excited hydrogen atoms nuclei proceeds closer to each other before eventual hot fusion occurs.

    Not knowing the secret E-Cat catalyst process I would think this Hydroton structure theory best describes the Rossi Effect without violating the known laws of nuclear physics as Rossi prescribes.

    I also love Dr. Edmund Storms’ observation as to why certain country’s resistance to LENR, like Japan vs. US, is based on each country’s current energy abundance and their protective capitalistic agendas.

    As more and more LENR builds up in the pressure cooker of evidence the bigger the media explosion will occur after irrefutable evidence is released; then comes out the “I always knew” spin doctors to cover their narcissistic “high-endedness”. (Did I really say that?)

  • Barry8

    Hats off to Storms and hats off to Maguire for an intellegent interview.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    In reply to georgehants below,

    That looks like an interesting reproducible experiment, and not too expensive and hard it seams.

    What they can do to improve the setup it is to let one team measure without knowing if there is silver in the bucket, and one team to randomly mix the silver particles or not. Then they can have 20 buckets of samples, 10 with silver particles and 10 without. If they measurements say that the 10 with silver also produced a decrease in radiation the fact should be very hard to debunk.

    • georgehants

      Stefan, agreed, I don’t think others have seen the significance of the report yet.

  • georgehants

    From Cold Fusion Now
    Ruby does it again
    Radioactivity Decreasing Effect of 4-5 nm Silver Particles on K40
    I report the most interesting experiment result in the above presentations in this article.
    Dr. Abe and Dr. Iwasaki had been announced the experimental results that
    the radiation of the contaminated soil was reduced when they added nano
    sliver solutions to the soil. This presentation showed the new
    experiment that nano silver particles could decrease radiation of
    radioactive potassium (K40).
    http://coldfusionnow.org/radio

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      Interesting, posted at the wrong level though, see the above comment.