Rossi on 1MW E-Cat Plant: ‘We are Making a Masterpiece’

Andrea Rossi is effulgent with praise these days when talking about the work he is doing in getting a 1 MW E-Cat plant to be put to work at a customer’s industrial site. A big part of his enthusiasm for this plant seems to stem from the fact that he seems to be delighted with the team he is working with. A few comments recently show the esteem in which he holds his colleagues:

“Our team is making a terrific job. We are making a masterpiece . . .

“I can say this: the 1 MW plant we are working upon has been manufactured in the USA, in the factory of Industrial Heat. It is substantially different from the one we made the test of in Bologna, because during these 2 years I did not sleep too much and because I am working with a top class Team . . .

“In Raleigh area the standard level of employees’ professional background is very high. Every member of our team, whatever his level and profession, has the highest level of professionality one can hope for, from the welder to the engineer. Working with them you feel what means to play in the Majors. When I say that we are making a masterpiece I really mean it.”

The plant Rossi demonstrated in Italy back in October 2011 had some significant problems when it came to be tested by the agent for the military customer. Mats Lewan in An Impossible Invention writes about how at the public testing of the 1MW plant that as the temperature began to rise, some of the reactors were not getting enough water, and steam was entering into pipes where the cooling water was pumped in, causing an imbalance in the water flow. A result, half the reactors had to be shut down and the plant ran at only 500 kW.

The design and building of this plant seems to have been done primarily by Rossi working on his own with some workers — but it sounds that he considers the team he has now far superior to any he has worked with previously.It sounds like he is now surrounded with top quality workers, which must make his life easier. I would guess they will have given substantial input in to the design and construction of this second generation plant. It will be very important to have the plant work without major problems once it is deployed at the customer’s site.

Despite the fact that he describes the plant as a ‘masterpiece’ he continues to remind us that the results if his work could be positive or negative — but I find it hard to conceive of him calling an E-Cat plant that doesn’t work a masterpiece.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Hah, COP of 10-20 is not immense. I think you easily will get this wish.

    I did numbers on this in some thread, A COP of 20 comes out to tapping the power with a flow rate less then thousandths of a percent of the potential. In comparison it would be like building Hoover Dam and getting a slow drip like a faucet.

  • Fortyniner

    Sadly not – he died in 2000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Feshbach

    Science advances….

  • Ophelia Rump

    I left you a response in the “Should there be public funding of LENR research” thread.

  • Omega Z

    Andrea Rossi July 18th, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Frank Acland:
    Compared to you, Sherlock Holmes was a dummy! ( he,he,he…I can’t give specific information now).
    Warm Regards, A.R.

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/gw-chinese-solar-plant-abandoned/story-e6frg90f-1226991627521?nk=9a95ad9612d7b795234f78b33f178b84

    Looks like Chinas largest PV project in Inner Mongolia was scrapped due to “market conditions” maybe it is related to the Ecat.

  • Omega Z

    Well, as to the negative, We can’t rule out any problematic issues during the test, But we can take note of a rebuttal of sorts to the Swedish radio program.

    We can also note that if the results were absolutely Negative,
    Well how long would it take to publish such a report.
    6 months or a couple weeks.

  • Omega Z

    They are of the code talkers & don’t know a word outside their native language. Who could they tell other then each other. :-)
    And people say there’s no way to keep a secret. Ha.

  • georgehants

    A new Ego Out paper
    THE VUCA WORLD OF LENR, HOW LONG IT WILL LAST?
    http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/07/the-vuca-world-of-lenr-how-long-it-will.html

  • Fortyniner

    I agree your estimates, at least from an engineering POV. His ‘hydrino’ theories may or may not make sense – I don’t have the knowledge to form a meaningful opinion.

    Mills’ casual dismissal of potential problems, and completely unsubstantiated speculations on how his technology will develop remind me of the ‘cut-away’ drawings in the magazines of my youth that confidently showed how nuclear spaceships, bases on the moon, and flying cars would work in the future world of 2010.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Einstein not only wrote good English, he wrote beautiful poetic English.
    Einstein wrote better English than most English speaking people.
    He used a grand eloquent style. I once had a book of his letters, it made me jealous of his ability to communicate.

    • georgehants

      Although Einstein had difficulty with family life, like many, if this World was run on the basis of his philosophy then I think much would be improved for all.
      Maybe one of those rare real Prophets, (spiritual)

  • Ophelia Rump

    I would bet that they are clocking hours and working day and night. They are going to be very successful. I think they know the score, they must maintain discipline or fall off the gravy train.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I just figured out what you mean, you need to sign up for a disqus account to get a picture, and be able to edit your posts. Link in lower right corner, use a seperate email account if you want to get notifications of email updates when you get responses.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Marconi received credit for Tesla’s work.

  • Ophelia Rump

    You want to sign up for a disqus account, you can make it using Andy Kumar.
    There is a grey link in the bottom right corner, use that. Its a very minimal signup. A nice service. They send notifications and initial text to your Email, so you may want to put it on it’s own email account.

  • Ophelia Rump

    So what will be the greatest market for LENR?

    What type of energy directly generated from a LENR reactor would be the best strategy for winning the market?

    • Fortyniner

      No strategies required – LENR will dominate whatever markets it is aimed at. The only certainty is that the initial market will be industrial, most probably at the corporate level.

      Rossi has stated that the ‘pilot plant’ is not a generator, so it is most probably some kind of industrial process heater, and my guess is that this will indicate the initial market chosen for introduction.

      Guessing onwards, this usage will spread to most industrial heating requirements including space heating, and systems will begin to be augmented by some form of TEC to produce electricity as well as heat. These applications will all be driven by Rossi’s ‘mouse/cat’ cores – essentially very efficient and more stable derivatives of the original reactor.

      The wildcard here is the ‘hot cat’, which could potentially act as a replacement for coal/oil/gas burning boilers, and I grok (as GW would say) that there may be problems with extracting heat from these devices at the moment. When any technical problems have been overcome, this will be the real ‘game changer’, but the relatively tame process heater variety should provide an effective stalking horse that will make its introduction far easier than otherwise.

      Thanks for the opportunity to prognosticate wildly in the almost complete absence of any actual facts!

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, boring old George says, until I see the small Cats being used in villages etc. in places that need clean water etc. I will not feel that the best use of Cold Fusion is being utilized.
        If we all lived back in the jungle with everything we need around us, corrupt capitalism would still make sure everybody worked all day and paid profit etc, so that a few could have more slaves, power etc.
        The domestic E-cat has been shelved because of capitalism’s demands to introduce the technology and gain safety acceptance etc. fair enough, but “if” as I am informed Cold Fusion has been proven beyond doubt then all of scientific society should be Researching the small Cats to bring them to those in need as a top priority.
        All crazy unneeded science should be stopped and the personnel and resources moved on to Cold Fusion Research and without capitalism, free distribution to all.

        • Ivone

          The Indians shrunken by lack of clean water…and lack of ability to make indoor toilets because of lack of human capital, of which the Rossi reactors will release.

      • Omega Z

        There is a huge market for process heat & the existing technology to harness it would be easily adaptable.

        The Hot cat on the other hand is quite different & existing technology will likely need some Major re-engineering to be adapted to it.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      best would be to let entrepreneurs try everything , retry after failure with something else…
      it is like imagining what you can do with a transistor or a plane….

      one application that I see is frying wok and rice cooker, because I’ve seen the awful cost of electricity in Indonesia and the pollusion by smoke. LPG is currently promoted, but LENR if affordable can help.

      moreover when research will find the keys of ENR maybe we will discover it allows faster computers, powerful electronics…

      • Ophelia Rump

        I did some interesting work in Indonesia, involving landing on small islands where there were hundreds of people living on essentially a sand bar with a few trees, a water well and not even a single bucket among them all. They did not even have huts. The level of poverty in this world is astounding.

        In the 1970s the Indonesian government promised these people that if they moved to the islands, the government would sponsor their homesteads. They were dropped on the islands and no support ever came. They are born on a sandbar, walk around it naked looking for garbage or something to eat, and die there. That is the sum and total of their lives.

        • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

          I mostly know Java which is developing quickly is the classic way of emerging economies… Far island are really alien for the Javanese.
          I remember the story of a tragic (funny) football match in papua. not matching local dessing.

          they have oil but now they import. Electricity is expensive.

          beside Jakarta, Jodga, Surabaya, intermediate cities, who are not so surprising, I know a little village, isolated (Kampung laut near Cilacap http://nasihatonline.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/download-kajian-dan-foto-foto-daerah-kristenisasi/) which would benefit from local generators.

          even few kW could change their life just allowing studies and homework because of light… add more and you can have broadband Internet, MOOC… fast boats, telemedicine could also save many lives.
          Energy is not all, but it is one of the basic conditions. cost is important however.
          people often don’t measure the importance of lighting for education.

    • roseland67

      Ophelia,
      IF, the Ecat works a stated, the biggest market application
      will be boiling water

      • Ophelia Rump

        Lovely, Tea for everyone!

  • Ophelia Rump

    Hector, we want all the dirt. It is very hard to sell movie rights without some kind of action.

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • Ophelia Rump

    Apparently A.E. did indeed use the caps.
    Either that or everyone on the internet is a co-conspirator on this capitol offense.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    For me a masterpiece would be:
    1. A hotcat based 1 MW reactor
    2. Steady controlled temperature of 1000C under load
    3. Fully self-sustained with only external power needed for startup
    4. An immense COP (see 3) (Rossi could use some extraordinary claims to balance those from BLP)

    Otherwise it would simply be an upgrade to the existing 1 MW reactor.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This is a nice wish list. Would you think it not a masterpiece if the reaction were not self sustaining? I think that is unlikely, but I would think it no less a masterpiece if the other criteria were met.

      BLP should be left out of this consideration. Whatever devices make it to market, the first will be unprecedented and entitled to be judged entirely upon it’s own merit, no matter that is Brillouin, Rossi or whomever.
      There will be time for comparison when competitors enter the market.

  • Fortyniner

    Nice theory. It would be typical of Rossi’s predilection for word play.

    I remember less happy days when I had been introduced to the concept of multiplying negative numbers. That’s roughly when maths and I parted company (although differential equations may also have had something to do with that).

  • Ophelia Rump

    This posting from the JONP is interesting because it directly ties the revelation of the theory behind E-Cat to the beginning of the factories production. Rossi seems to be doing his best to synchronize these two events. He cannot control the timing of the release of the report because it is out of his control. I expect that because the report may also contain theory, there may be an effort to synchronize as much as possible with the opening of the factory and release of his theory.
    Would they delay the beginning of factory production to synchronize with the report?
    I wonder, does Rossi have a book deal yet?

    Andrea Rossi
    July 14th, 2014 at 5:19 AM
    Frank Acland:
    For to explain the theory behind its operation is necessary the start of the mass production.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • GreenWin

      If not, I can think of a super book club that encourages reading at all ages.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I was thinking more in line of him selling his autobiography.

        I think Rossi probably gets his books through Amazon if that was what you were suggesting. I would not show-up at IH trying to sell him subscriptions, that would be tacky.

        • GreenWin

          Indeed. I would hope his agent is “fielding offers.” Meanwhile I was jumping ahead to post-publishing best seller ideas. Same page.

    • Daniel Maris

      When I looked up the Italian words for factory and workshop I found they could be the same. So I am not sure when Rossi talks of a factory whether he means an assembly line factory or not. Probably not would be my guess. But perhaps they are getting read for assembly line production in China if all goes well.

      • Ophelia Rump

        That is an interesting thought, I do hope he has not been talking about their workshop. That would change all my expectations.

  • builditnow

    Reading through the posts below, looks like we all have the champagne chilling in the fridge ready to pop. :)

    Imagining into the future when the champagne bottles are popping, I hear the slurred voices saying “I told your so, … hiccup, …. no one ever listens to me …. hiccup … wheeeee … “.

  • georgehants

    Hector, like me I am sure you always look for and speak the Truth.
    Yes the capitals are in the original post as below.
    http://blog.gaiam.com/quotes/authors/albert-einstein?page=4

  • GreenWin

    One might wonder if the Rossi masterpiece would rival Pieter Brueghel’s, Apostles at the Sea of Tiberius? http://www.oilpaintingshop.com/brueghel/1.jpg

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, could you explain a little, I see a picture that looks dark and perhaps frightening in the foreground with calm and light in the distance.
      Many forms of Art, nature being one of the best I think.

      • GreenWin

        An excellent reading George! Look closer in the foreground. Art historian Sr Wendy Becket describes Bruegel’s talents: “Bruegel has an unusual gift for showing how little the world notices the central truths of our faith.”

    • Ophelia Rump

      You might enjoy this. I have seen the four paintings of the series, they are magnificent.

      http://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/Collection/art-object-page.52452.html

      • GreenWin

        Just wonderful Ophelia, thank you. The figurehead on Youth’s boat appears to be holding an hourglass. And that the young man’s time has come.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Even the clouds are subtly personified. They had to drag me away from standing in front of the paintings. You could spend your life trying to comprehend them.

      • bachcole

        I have them on my walls.

        signed: BachCole

      • Barry8

        Thanks Ophelia. I remember seeing these in Washington DC. Found them spellbinding. Bought prints but the originals were quite large and you’re right, copies do not do them justice.

  • Hope4DBest

    Rossi, like any true Italian, is prone to rhetorical exaggeration. Remember the “magnificence” of a controller that National Instruments was developing for him?

  • Bernie777

    What is “all junk”?

    • Fortyniner

      Cold fusion – Feshbach was replying to Eugene Mallove who had suggested that Feshbach should look into new evidence compiled by a pair of researchers at MIT. The full quote is “I have had fifty years of experience in nuclear physics and I know what’s possible and what’s not!…I will not look at any more evidence! It’s all junk!”

      http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/strangerthanfiction.pdf

      • GreenWin

        The second to the last line being the directive instilled into each and every skeptopath’s OS. Thanks for the clarification 49er.

      • Bernie777

        Ok, I got it, thanks for clearing that up.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Maybe he just appreciates seeing his work redesigned and built by Master Craftsmen and Design Engineers. Honestly that must feel very rewarding after being a garage inventor for decades.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “And we’re on our way

    No we can’t turn back, babe

    Yeah, we’re on our way

    And we can’t turn back, yeah…”

    The Doors

  • georgehants

    Joy in looking and comprehending is nature’s most beautiful gift.
    Albert Einstein
    It is the supreme art of the teacher to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge.
    Albert Einstein
    Nothing truly valuable arises from ambition or from a mere sense of duty; it stems rather from
    love and devotion towards men and towards objective things.
    Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955)
    To be free means to be independent, not to be influenced by what others think and say.
    Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955)
    Joy and amazement of the beauty and grandeur of this world of which man can just form a faint notion…
    Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955)
    “It’s not that I’m so smart, it’s just that I stay with problems longer.”
    – Albert Einstein
    Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
    Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955)

    • Nigel Appleton

      The proof of the pudding is in the eating
      Anon
      Just sayin’

    • Veblin

      Yeah, I was in the show. I was in the show for 21 days once – the 21 greatest days of my life. You know, you never handle your luggage in the show, somebody else carries your bags. It was great. You hit white balls for batting practice, the ballparks are like cathedrals, the hotels all have room service, and the women all have long legs and brains.
      Crash Davis (Bull Durham 1988)

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      “If”
      by Rudyard Kipling, read by Michael Caine
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWvcwVWCcnY

  • Fortyniner

    Rossi’s obvious delight in working as a part of a highly competent R&D team may provide a lesson that Dr Mills of BLP could benefit from.

    • deleo77

      I will be the BLP defender here. First, I will say that I want both Rossi and Mills to succeed. I am not rooting for one over the other. But in terms of the highly competent R&D team, BLP has about 20 employees, I believe that 6 of them are PhD’s. They have been working in a 60,000 foot building for years, that they own. BLP has received over $60MM in funding and grants. Some of BLP’s demos have been bad, but they have gotten better. The demo coming up this Monday should be the best yet where they will show a continuous reaction. That is a big deal. If BLP can close the loop they are getting very close. Mills has jumped on this idea of providing amazing amounts of light to PV cells. It’s another Mills idea. He has had a bunch of swings and misses, perhaps this one will work. Let’s hope it does.

      • Fortyniner

        I’m not entirely sure that it takes a genius to figure out that one way to harvest energy from intense light might be PVs. However, on the basis of the more the merrier I share your hopes, if not with any great expectation.

        • Ophelia Rump

          PVs are a horrible solution, due to the rapid drop off of intensity in light with distance, Small PVs would only have the surface to gather a small percentage of the energy, and would vaporize from the excess heat.

          Large PVs would just melt and probably burst into flames from the excess heat, because the device produces 20 percent more heat than electricity.

          They would be really hard to stack together due to the heat issue. if you did try to cool them the engineering for cooling arrays of these would turn into a plumbers fantasy very quickly. You would go bankrupt trying to cool them, because it will cost more energy to cool, about 20% more than it produces.

          • Fortyniner

            “If you doubt a word I said…”. I don’t. In fact I have said much the same things on several occasions, and also flagged the heat issues.

            There is another potential problem that I’ve also pointed out before. It’s clear from the demos that a great deal of spatter and vapourisation accompanies the plasma discharges. As a consequence, any optically transmitting surface placed to collect light would quickly become covered in spattered materials and condensates which would rapidly render it useless. Such a coating would also absorb infrared radiation, aggravating the overheating problem.

            Mills appears to be following an ‘ad hoc’ development path without consideration of these obvious problems, presumably in a hasty attempt to show that he has something useful. Personally I’d like to know what happened to the hyperefficient MHD generator that could be built using ‘off the shelf’ components. I suspect that the PV ‘solution’ will go the same way, soon.

  • Miles

    You said it Frank, spot on. – ” I find it hard to conceive of him calling an E-Cat plant that doesn’t work a masterpiece”, ““Our team is making a terrific job” & “I am working with a top class Team”

    Rossi & his top class team are ironing our the kinks in the e-Cats final design masterpiece. I honestly can’t wait to see how spectacular this is. Exciting times – but the suspense is killing me. :)

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat is spending all this time & money on something that-
      What? Don’t work???

  • jousterusa

    I know the feeling. A well-oiled, very competent team is a beautiful thing to behold. I feel glad for Rossi that this is the case in his current work. I think he’s been through a lot of tough, lonely days when no one seemed to care very much, and today that has all changed. Persistence has paid off for him, and I think it will for all us, and you, Frank, who have remained supportive of this project from the start.

  • Ophelia Rump

    “effulgent”? You should be charged with Thesaurus abuse. ;-]

    One thing I know is that Rossi loves his work. This is a perfect expression of that love.
    People keep subtly suggesting that he is only in this for the money. Scam artists do not love faking their work, their joy comes from the reward of making fools of people, they revel in the spotlight.

    • Billy Jackson

      somewhere at this moment enclosed in a small room the victim gives its tearful story to the detectives on the case…”he was between 5’6″ and 6″ tall officer dark haired.. i was sitting there minding my own business when he touched me… *sobbing* he touched me right on the E …

      • Ophelia Rump

        Yes officer, he said he wanted to show me his effulgence! I screamed and ran.

    • Andy Kumar

      Ophelia,
      Did you edit your post. For a while yesterday, it was saying a little bit more. Is it possible to edit after it is posted.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Yes I did, under each post you should see something like this line I pasted below. Just click on the word Edit. The words are in a light grey color, it is possible you have a light grey background and they are invisible to you.

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