1 MW E-Cat Plant Installation Underway ‘Matter of Money, Not of Science’

While many people are focusing on the outcome of the long-term e-cat testing, it seems that Andrea Rossi has got plenty on his plate to keep him occupied. Today in a post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics Ross has made his most detailed explanation to date what he is involved with now in the preparation of a 1 MW plant for commercial activity:

Piero Mongioj:
At the moment I am working focused exclusively on the 1 MW plant we are installing in the factory of the Customer . The work is advancing along our scheduling, some problems emerged, but I cannot give any specific information; in due time, I think within 2014, visits to this plant in operation will be allowed, unless problems will emerge. This time we are not preparing a test or a demo, the 1 MW plant is going to work along a production line in a factory to lower the production costs of the Customers. The target is: ” to increase the profits of the Customer by means of the E-Cat”, indipendently from any other consideration. It is a matter of money, not of science and our Customer is a Corporation, not a scientific institute, so now we are working in a different context that is at the first step toward an industrialization of the product. The expectancies of the Customer can be either met or not, which means that the results, under the economical point of view, can respect the guarantees or not: we have to see it in the reality, because, as we well know, ” IN MERCATU VERITAS”.
Warm Regards,

This is really what Rossi has been aiming for ever since he first developed the E-Cat — he has always spoken of putting it to commercial use, not just showing an effect in a laboratory. It’s interesting here that he describes the the 1 MW plant being installed on a production line. To me this indicates this plant may be providing heat for some industrial process, and not generating electricity. My guess is that this first plant will be one of the low-temperature plant, and not a hot cat.

I would imagine Rossi is more comfortable working in this environment than having his products subject to scientific testing by outsiders. In this situation he is hands-on and in control and can put in all the hours he pleases in advancing his work — much better than just sitting around waiting for others to publish a report.

If this is a low temperature E-Cat, Rossi has always said in the past that there is a guaranteed performance of COP 6. If he cannot meet this performance goal then contractually the customer can back out.

He says he hopes to complete this work in 2014, but gives no promises. Personally I would not be surprised if that deadline slipped. This is the first ever customer installation; problems have apparently already cropped up, and there will probably be more to deal with. Things of this nature often take more time than is initially projected.

I think this is all good news in terms of E-Cat development. A successful installation would be a monumental milestone for Rossi and a very significant technological breakthrough that would surely be written in history books.

UPDATE: Someone has asked Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about what kind of E-Cat plant will be:

(Translated from the Italian): “Thank you for your thorough answer … Just one last question, if you can … The plant is processing a Hot-cat plant E-cat or a type already shown in Bologna? Thanks again and good luck … (need that, too, is not it?). Best regards, Piero Mongioj”

AR: “We will give in due time the description of it. Substantial evolution happened, though.”

  • greggoble

    U.S. LENR Manhattan Project and U.S. Advanced LENR Technology

    In 1989, with the announcement of nuclear dense energy found in a jar, a U.S. nuclear ‘LENR Manhattan Project’ was initiated in the field of cold fusion/low energy nuclear reaction research and applied technology. Advanced LENR technology and engineering, now emerging from U.S. agencies, rivals all other energy sources.

    In a large part, the mission of the DoE, DoD, and NASA is to ensure U.S. technological advantage. It is a matter of U.S. security, economy, health, and comfort. A small portion of this obligation resulted in the World War II U238 nuclear Manhattan Project, which led to a U.S. nuclear advantage.

    Less than fifty years later, in 1989 the race to U.S. LENR energy began. The U.S. ‘LENR Manhattan Project’ will be of even greater interest to future historians. Recent evidence of both its’ existence, importance, and success is presented here. The advantage of clean abundant nuclear power was not lost on the U.S. government, as can be seen by these works which were initiated long before 2007.

    For years U.S. cold fusion LENR research has been discredited. From the beginning the DoE has been putting up smoke screens and roadblocks, while at the same time the DoD and NASA have been quietly implementing deep LENR/cold fusion research, advanced LENR technology license agreements, and LENR energy applied engineering contracts.

    United States Defense Intelligence Agency Report

    Worldwide Research on Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions Increasing and Gaining AcceptancePresented by the DIA in November, 2009.


    “LENR could serve as a power source for batteries that could last for decades, providing power for electricity, sensors, military operations, and other applications in remote areas, including space. LENR could also have medical applications for disease treatment, pacemakers, or other equipment…

    “Because nuclear fusion releases 10 million times more energy per unit mass than does liquid transportation fuel, the military potential of such high-energy-density power sources is enormous…

    And since the U.S. military is the largest user of liquid fuel for transportation, LENR power sources could produce the greatest transformation of the battlefield for U.S. forces

    “since the transition from horsepower to gasoline power… -end quote

    Global Energy Corporation

    Frank Carlucci was head of the DoD in 1989, the year cold fusion was headlined and derailed.

    Now he is on the board of directors of Global Energy Corporation, along with two Congressmen. They have a license to market advanced Navy LENR technology, coming out of SPAWAR labs, that transmutes nuclear waste to benign elements while creating high process steam. This has not been presented to the scientific communities involved in LENR research or nuclear waste remediation research.

    Global Energy Corporation – Guam and “Clean Nuclear Power Eyed”

    Monday, 13 Feb 2012, Jon Anderson, Variety News, Marianas Guam Edition

    The Variety has learned Dr. Jay W. Khim, CEO of Global Energy Corp. (GEC) based in Annandale, Va., made a presentation to the utilities commission, GPA officials and Navy engineers last month and will make another tomorrow afternoon.

    “We’re generation five,” Dr. Khim told the Variety during an exclusive interview, “and first of all this is a brand new concept.” He said safety is the first consideration, and that cannot be ensured by building higher walls around reactors, as Japan saw last year with Fukushima.

    “You have to change the basic science of nuclear power,” Khim explained. “We’ve been working with the U.S. Navy for about 22 years and the basic science phase is now over. Now we’re going into commercial development, which the Navy is not going to do.” But Khim says the science has been repeatedly duplicated by the Navy, and has been proven, recognized and published.

    Officials of the Navy on Guam, including Capt. John V. Heckmann Jr., CO of Naval Facilities and a professional engineer, attended the GEC briefing.

    The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington D.C. Players, including former Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, former Congressman and Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, and former U.S. Congressman Tom Davis, among others.

    According to Dr. Khim, the GeNiE reactor burns natural uranium which doesn’t require enrichment. It creates no nuclear waste, he says, thus eliminating the need for nuclear waste storage – a major problem wherever nuclear generation using old technology is used. In fact, the reactor can use spent fuel from current plants as a fuel source, although there is no plan to use such fuel for the Guam reactor, he points out. Since there is no nuclear chain reaction involved, no nuclear meltdown is possible and there is also no weapons proliferation risk. It is clean nuclear technology, Dr. Khim contends.

    “The key to this technology,” Khim explains, “is that the GeNiE reactor actually burns uranium 238 in a hybrid fusion-fission process that is clean, utterly safe, and secure. The reactor is cooled by helium gas – rather than water – which cannot become radioactive. There is no need for a separate heat exchanger or secondary loop, which greatly simplifies the reactor, increasing safety and reducing costs.”

    Global Energy Corp. is proposing to build a 50-megawatt plant as a pilot project on Guam, on a build, operate and transfer basis for which GEC would obtain its own financing. Guam ratepayers would pay only for the electric power generated. Khim says he will finance the estimated $250 million plant himself. “No initial money for Guam at all,” Khim assured. “I’ll pay all the money; I’ll run it; and give Guam cheap electricity.” He says once his company and the CCU enter into a memorandum of understanding, other issues, such as the location of the reactor, will be explored.

    “Our plan is to fuel the generator only once, and the fuel would last for 50 years,” Khim said. The fuel will be natural, unenriched uranium ore, which is mined in various countries including the U.S. and Australia.” end quote

    SPAWAR and Global Energy Corporation Patents

    Filed in 2007 and 2008 – One was sequestered till 2013 and the other sister patent, for some unknown compelling reason, was filed in Europe.

    System and Method for Generating Particles Publication Apr 16, 2013 – Filing Sep 21, 2007- Priority Mar 14, 2007

    Hybrid Fusion Fast Fission Reactor Publication Dec 30, 2009 – Filing Feb 25, 2009 – Priority Feb 25,2008

    For the rest of the Global Energy Corporation story… The Navy LENR Series

    Mineta, Davis, Carlucci, Global Energy Corporation, LENR, Navy, Guam

    Seldon Technologies

    Rear Admiral Craig E. Steidle became the first Associate Administrator of the Office of Exploration Systems at NASA in 2003, serving under President Bush.

    Admiral Steidle also served as the Director of the Department of Defense (DoD) Joint Advanced Strike Technology Office and was the Director of the Joint Strike Fighter Program, DoD’s largest program.

    He is now on the board of directors of Seldon Technologies with two advanced LENR patents utilizing carbon nanotube technology.


    “Disclosed herein are methods of generating energetic particles, by contacting nanotubes with hydrogen isotopes in the presence of activation energy, such as thermal, electromagnetic, or the kinetic energy of particles. Also disclosed are methods of transmuting matter by exposing such matter to the energetic particles produced according to the disclosed method.

    A need exists for alternative energy sources to alleviate our society’s current dependence on hydrocarbon fuels without further impact to the environment.

    The inventors have developed multiple uses for nanotubes and devices that use such nanotubes. The present disclosure combines the unique properties of nanotubes and in one embodiment carbon nanotubes, in a novel manifestation designed to meet current and future energy needs in an environmentally friendly way.

    Devices powered with nanotube based nuclear power systems may substantially change the current state of power distribution. For example, nanotube based nuclear power systems may reduce, if not eliminate, the need for power distribution networks; chemical batteries; energy scavenger devices such as solar cells, windmills, hydroelectric power stations; internal combustion, chemical rocket, or turbine engines; as well as all other forms of chemical combustion for the production of power.” end quote

    Seldon Technologies Patents

    Methods of Generating Non-Ionizing Energy or Non-Ionizing 4He Using Graphene Based Materials Publication Oct 20, 2011 Filing Apr 19, 2011 – Priority Dec 5, 2005

    Methods of Generating Energetic Particles Using Nanotubes and Articles ThereofPublication Oct 10, 2013 – Filing Aug 21, 2012 Priority Dec 5, 2005

    Asleep at the Foot of the Bristlecone Pine (a contemplative interlude)

    NASA LENR Energy and Applied Engineering

    Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Aircraft Investigator(s): Doug Wells

    Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Aircraft Seedling Technical Seminar February, 2014

    SpaceWorks Engineering Advanced Concepts Group NASA 2009 – 2010 LENR Spaceplanes Advanced Propulsion System Concept Studies (see page 31)

    NASA Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research – SUGAR

    SUGAR Phase II: N+4 Advanced Concept Development

    The SUGAR working group report from May 2012 states:

    “Even though we do not know the specific cost of the LENR itself, we assumed a cost of jet fuel at $4/gallon and weight based aircraft cost. We were able to calculate cost per mile for the LENR equipped aircraft compared to a conventional aircraft (Figure 3.2). Looking at the plots, one could select a point where the projected cost per mile is 33% less than a conventionally powered aircraft.”… pg 24.

    LENR Requirements Analysis …pg 24 View Figure 3.1

    Potential Heat Engines for LENR Systems …pg 25 View Figure 3.2

    Parametric LENR and Heat Engine Performance Parameters …pg 25 View Figure 6.2

    Low Energy Nuclear Reactor Technologies …pg 82

    LENR Technologies Success Criteria …pg 86

    Also LENR …pgs 15, 18, 19, 20, and 21

    The SUGAR working group report also makes public the following list of organizations and individuals working on applied LENR engineering: Bradley (Boeing) * Daggett (Boeing) * Droney (Boeing) * Hoisington (Boeing) * Kirby (GT) * Murrow (GE) * Ran (GT) * Nam (GT) * Tai, (GT) * Hammel (GE) * Perullo (GT) * Guynn (NASA) * Olson (NASA) * Leavitt (NASA) * Allen (Boeing) * Cotes (Boeing) * Guo (Boeing) * Foist (Boeing) * Rawdon (Boeing) * Wakayama (Boeing) * Dallara (Boeing) * Kowalski (Boeing) * Wat (Boeing) * Robbana (Boeing) * Barmichev (Boeing) * Fink (Boeing) * Sankrithi (Boeing) * White (Boeing) * Gowda (GE) * Brown (NASA) * Wahls (NASA) * Wells (NASA) * Jeffries (FAA) * Felder (NASA) * Schetz (VT) * Burley (NASA) * Sequiera (FAA) * Martin (NASA) * Kapania (VT)

    U.S. Analysis of National Security and the Global Future – LENR

    Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] – (pdf) NASA

    Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] – (article) CFN

    The pdf lays out what we are preparing to prevent; by foreseeing what the capabilities of advanced technologies will bring to the theater of war.

    From the article:

    Dennis Bushnell is bringing everything out into the open for us to think about, these advanced warfare technologies are not something we can just live with.

    They are difficult to defend against, and often untraceable; being cheap and easy to manufacture. They will be developed commercially, and very simply; without requiring any long-term governmental development like mega-trillion dollar stealth bombers, naval carriers, and observational platform programs.

    They are soon becoming commercially available, legally.

    The solution to this is complex, yet at hand if the world chooses to work together.

    How can we create a human culture where people simply refuse to create war?

    What can the emergent LENR energy and advanced technology communities contribute to the creation of a world that does not feel the need to ever go to war again?

    This is the challenge, out to 2025 and beyond.


    • GreenWin

      Thanks for the excellent overview Greg. Rather many of us have been aware that a highly classified development program is the only explanation for the silly behavior of “mainstream science.” As for refusal to go to (annihilating) war, this is better achieved with the knowledge that non-terrestrial forces continue to prevent the possibility. Eliminating the corroded nuclear weapons industry frees up multiple resources better applied to benevolent human evolution.

      Great post. Thanks again.

      • bachcole

        I thought that it was some kind of a joke, but I wasn’t sure so I did not comment on it.

    • kdk

      Who are the congressmen on GEC’s board?

  • Omega Z

    Now I “no your” just picking on me. I’ll take my toys & go home!

  • Omega Z

    Note that E-cats run or don’t with long start/stop periods. It would be problematic determining the true benefits of it’s use for space heating as a test. Also Space heating would be of a limited nature used only for limited times dependent on the season..

    Used in 24/7 operation reducing production costs would be high value in the eyes of big business. Also Efficient as all the energy would be used. Savings would be much more obvious. This is precisely the type of proof test needed.

  • Bernie777

    Oh, I hope it is not one of his brick making friends, super skeptics would have a field day with that one.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Pardon me, I thought you were referring to the fracking of natural gas instead of a fractional distillation.

    How about an E-Cat powered fracking drill?

  • Omega Z

    The cost of bricks wont be 1/6st the cost.
    Only the portion contributable to energy.
    I also doubt “all” the savings will be seen by the user of this technology, but only enough to give a competitive edge. The full savings wont come until competition evolves in energy suppliers. This 1st system may be an exception.

  • ecatworld

    At one point Rossi was planning on mass producing the domestic e-cats, but has since explained that he can’t get certification for small home units until he has a track record of how the big plants perform over many thousands of hours. I’m not sure if that process of performance recording has started yet.

  • ecatworld

    Hi Frederic. I have only seen the certification for the 1MW plant from SGS. Rossi has said that it is certified for industrial use, and I assume that he means the US as well as Europe.

    He has made no announcement about where the customer is located, but since he says he is currently working on the plant installation, I would guess that it is in the USA which is where he lives.

  • Ronzonni

    I’m confused. You mean they would make bricks rather than sell ecats? If they sell ecats, what stops a competitor in the brick-making business from getting some?

    • Omega Z

      He’s implying that due to Dardens past involvement in the brick business that the 1st customer may be in this business.

      As to competitors using e-cats, Nothing stops them from converting to e-cat heat. A benefit of a free market. And in fact, they need to adapt to survive. Being 1st only allows a short term advantage.

  • GreenWin

    Andy, you allow your CalTech training toward natural gloominess to control your thinking. And what’s with the royal “we”? WE haven’t lost a step my friend. And since Focardi’s passing the Levi-Elforsk validation caused Chrokee Industrial Heat to purchase the E-Cat IP.

    Andy, I’m sure you value your western education, but brother, it’s working against you at the moment. Try to lighten up and live a little! Remember, there’s a Nobel laureate working on “perpetual motion.” 🙂

  • ecatworld

    I like this kind of idea, Joe, but it will take the right timing and organization.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yes, it’s time for a 180. We’ll need to release all that methane to prevent another ice age.

    • bachcole

      I am telling you the truth: I have the furnace on right now, 7:44 A.M., and it is the second day of Summer. By this time last year and every year before this since I have lived in Colorado Springs since 1996, I would be sleeping without blankets. This morning I froze my ass off under 3 blankets. Last winter was very cold, and I remember mentioning this here. According to the graph that I am familiar with, we are about 2000 years late for an ice age. Perhaps we are just feeling it first because we live at 6700 feet above sea level. And perhaps I am just connecting too few dots that is creating a picture which is not true. But we shall see.

      • Donk970

        Seriously? I live way up north in Fort collins and haven’t had the furnace on since late May

        • deleo77

          Perhaps a mid-summer installation of the e-cat suggests that the heat would be used for making a product, versus factory heating. And the factory would be somewhere not too far away from IH, which is in NC.

        • bachcole

          How high are you there in Fort Collins?

          How was your Winter?

          Perhaps I am just getting old and need more blankets. But my son says it is cooler, but he may just be trying to please his Dad.

          I have NOT being using the furnace since late May. I used it today. But I have had to use extra blankets that I am not used to.

          • Omega Z

            Didn’t you just have some snow near your vicinity last week.
            Thought I recently saw something about vacationers having their vacations disrupted by snow & cold rains.

            • bachcole

              Thank you for that. I remember now that we had 4 freaking inches on May 12, not a light dusting. My son and wife got a snow day out of it.

      • Christopher Calder

        Apparently, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has also been faking global warming data.

        See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

        • To make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms indicative of groupthink.

          Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality

          Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.

          Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.

          Type II: Closed-mindedness

          Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group’s assumptions.

          Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid.

          Type III: Pressures toward uniformity

          Self-censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.

          Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.

          Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of “disloyalty”

          Mindguards— self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.


          all apply.

          • Omega Z


            In your post on Oilprice, “the N word” You should have spelled it out for those here in the U.S. “Nuclear”
            Specifying- The “N” word takes on a different meaning here for most.
            Just saying- 🙂

            • ok, I don’t master PC dictionary enough…
              I hope the people understood … at least the connotation is really negative (I will avoid that now)

          • bachcole

            Alain, that was excellent. I will be saving that email for later use.

            In all fairness to Christopher Calder et. al., those points apply to both camps in the AGW debate. I even see in myself that I often refrain from reading articles because I know that it supports AGW and I really don’t want to hear about it.

            Aren’t we having fun. (:->)

            • Some point apply to both camps, like it apply to pro/anti-LENR.
              however the main difference is about the power of consensus, the capacity to effectively block dissent. Groupthink can appear only if there is a strong group which can hurts dissenters where it hurts…

              Being insulted on ECW does not hurst a skeptic…
              being insulted by Nature/Science/APS/DoE/NyT means professional death for a scientists.

              About science itself, ignoring evidence, you can make a difference between the mainstream delusion and the heretic delusion, but sure there is buckets of stupidity, stubborness, denial of evidence in both camp. Simply the mainstream groupthink can afford bigger buckets of BS without having problem.*
              as said in Wikipage the huge problem is the feeling of morality which allow breaking of any ethical rule. Ethic rules, like free speech, human right, Geneva convention, should be enforced whatever awful is perceived the opponents because retrospectively one can realize they gone to far, to Guantanao/Abu Grahib/Sabra&Chatila/srebrenica, even if the opponent was awful too.

              as my dad told me about Algeria war, the first reason you don’t pass over the red line, is selfish. Never break your own rule because of an enemy.

              • Andreas Moraitis

                Well said, Alain. Sadly, dividing humans into groups is a very common practice. Those who think that they belong to the ‘right’ group (whereas the truth is mostly not that simple) often take this as a free ticket for unfair and aggressive behavior. This is presumably a bigger problem for mankind than the technical issues which we are discussing here.

        • GreenWin

          Damn. I used to like NOAA. They corrupted data? Like MIT’s phony CF data??

          • Omega Z

            I don’t recall his name, but 1 of the original Global Warming Advocates left the field. He was discussed by everything being determined by computer modeling(Notoriously Wrong) verse hard data.

            A more familiar term among us at ECW would be those who claim Theory trumps Facts.

            • bachcole

              “discussed” means talking about something in the past.

              “disgusted” means one is sick of some subject.

              • Omega Z

                Just checking to see if you were paying attention.
                Yeah, I new you wouldn’t buy that. 🙂
                I new something seemed amiss

          • not phony data in both case.
            Just “adjustment”… simply adjustment that put data back into the “what should be”.

            it is not fraud. it is correction.
            In both case the defenders says their correction was justified.

            When I was student some colleagues were doing that in lab work… they adjusted data to fit the professors expectation. That is what happen when the result count more than the method.

        • bachcole

          If the globe is cooling, then that sort of destroys the AGW thesis. If the globe is warming, that does NOT prove the AGW thesis. We already know that the globe cools and warms. The issue is whether human activity is significantly warming it or not.

      • Alan DeAngelis
        • Fortyniner

          The spraying is real enough (after 2 clear days I can see a grid pattern being formed in the sky to the East of me as I type) but it’s purpose or purposes are less easy to discern. Whatever is going on, the secrecy, media silence and stonewalling from politicians do not bode well.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Following the patents can tell us a lot. Go into Google Patents and enter “aluminum tolerant crops”.

            • Fortyniner

              Yes I’m aware of Monsanto’s aluminium tolerant GMO plant strains. Obviously the world isn’t being sprayed with aluminium, strontium, barium etc. for the benefit of Monsanto – this seems to be simple exploitation by those ‘in the know’ of a process being conducted for other purposes.

  • Maxfield Q Norse
  • Maxfield Q Norse

    If they can generate a significant ion discharge they could generate electricity directly from the Hot-Cat, rather than putting steam through a turbine. I have no idea if that is possible with the Rossi-Effect.


    • Andreas Moraitis

      I could imagine that this will be difficult to reach with Rossi’s reactor type, since he uses nickel powder instead of bulk nickel. Each grain of the powder might represent an own reaction site, which you would have to tap separately. Perhaps one could exploit the magnetic fields that have been observed in connection with the reaction, but it is still unclear if they are of a rather static, chaotic or periodic nature.

      • Maxfield Q Norse

        They have forever to explore the technology of LENR, and there may be many forms and mechanisms to choose from. I think if it can be done, it will be done eventually.

  • Omega Z

    I’m guessing he’s referring to the Cat/Mouse configuration with a smaller footprint then the shipping container of the past.

  • jousterusa

    I don’t think this device is being used for heat. I suspect it has already overcome the minor obstacles to converting the heat to electricity and will be helping to power the assembly line, which is probably.a major expense.

    • Omega Z

      I would have to bet on heat applications. A normal progression(A learning curve). Electricity will follow latter…

      • Fortyniner

        Yes, I agree – especially if the plant Rossi is talking about is an ‘old style’ LT e-cat (prossibly the one that was shipped to the US) which would not have a high enough COP for practical electricity generation.

        If Admin’s surmises based on Rossi’s latest statements are correct, then to me this is very disappointing news. I had assumed that any ‘pilot plant’ would be based on the same technology that has just been subjected to extended independent testing, and that in-house R&D would have proceeded in parallel with the 3rd party tests. I had also hoped that some kind of pilot plant might have been operating for a while, and the technology would now be close to commercialisation.

        It now seems that both surmises are incorrect, and development of the ‘hot cat’ may be way behind these optimistic assumptions. Ah well, back to waiting mode – perhaps there will be some pleasant surprises yet.

        • georgehants

          Morning Peter, your optimism cheers me up. Ha

          • Fortyniner

            Morning George.

            “It’s being so cheerful as keeps me going” (ITMA – 1943).

            Interesting link (but I’m off to enjoy the sun just now!).

            • georgehants

              Peter. Have a good day.
              ITMA? no you have lost me.
              We have been waiting 10 years to move to Cornwall and now it is happening, it goes to show that things turn out in the end.
              Mr. Rossi will come across with the goods I am sure.

              • Fortyniner

                ‘It’s That Man Again’ – wartime ‘comedy’. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_That_Man_Again

                Not that I remember it personally!

                I hope you enjoy your new life ‘down there’, George. My wife wants us to move to Cornwall, and maybe we will one day – we go touring there every year and will probably drive right past your door on some occasion.

                • GreenWin

                  You mean Brits actually “see” that large yellow object in the sky on occasion? Enjoy, Fortyniner.

                • Fortyniner

                  The yellow thing has a name I think, but lack of use means I’ve forgotten it. It does appear from time to time though, often at this time of year. When it does, we Brits celebrate by wearing colourful baseball hats and ridiculous looking baggy shorts, and frequently by incinerating various bits of animals during pagan ceremonies conducted in one another’s gardens.

                • GreenWin

                  Please feel free to post a photo of aforementioned ceremony replete with colourful cap & tasteless attire. Perplexed by need to incinerate animal parts – if the gas ball is already on fire??

                • Fortyniner

                  My theory is that the ceremony originated when humans began to try to emulate the burning yellow thing with small charcoal fires, on which they then sacrificed the animal bits. Drinking the yellow libation is probably also a reference to the colour of the gas ball.

                  Cameras are forbidden at the ceremonies I’m afraid – the potential for blackmail is just too great.

                • GreenWin

                  Fascinating. Sounds like the rituals of a group known as the “Bohemian Club” in California. Powerful men hide in the woods and burn effigies of birds. A liquid intoxicant made from rotting barley is involved. Undoubtedly the gas ball is deeply appreciative as it makes regular appearances in California. Their motto is “Weaving spiders come not here.” Purportedly written by The Earl of Oxford under the guise of a Brit named Bill Shakespeare. Curious lot.

                • bachcole

                  I hope to God that you are supplementing with vitamin D3 and perhaps also vitamin K2.

                • georgehants

                  Around Penzance, and there is always a bottle of red around somewhere, but no canals I am afraid.

            • Omega Z

              (but I’m off to enjoy the sun just now!)

              Are you vacationing outside the Island. 🙂

              • Fortyniner

                I have the great good fortune to live in a favoured place known as ‘sunny somerset’. It’s called that because it only rains most of the time.

                • Omega Z

                  Rains most of the time. So I must have moved to your neighborhood as of late without realizing it. I live in the heart of the U.S.

        • Omega Z

          Hi Peter

          Rossi-“Substantial evolution happened, though.”
          Speculation mode:
          Rossi Stated that all Future E-cats would incorporate the Cat/Mouse configuration. I’m assuming this gives him much greater control of the effect. Possibly the thing that makes it truly ready for market.

          I also suspect a major design change being much more compact then the Shipping container. Something more the size of a refrigerator. All combined would greatly reduce overall costs & the small footprint being much more deployable.

          As to Rossi’s Focus, Remember Rossi no longer works alone. He probably spends more time overseeing then doing. However, being hands on, this is probably a little hard for him to do.

          Were all aware of the China connection. That was near a year after IH/Rossi beginnings. Industrial Heat is a New Entity. What Facilities could they have that is already decked out with all that Rossi needs.
          It’s Highly probable this is all being carried out in close collaboration with another Large Entity(‘s). Access to Boiler technology, steam turbines, gas turbines, Etc…

          • Fortyniner

            Good points, and thanks for the Rossi quote about ‘us and me’ – I had missed that.

        • Omega Z

          Case in Point

          Koen Vandewalle June 23rd, 2014
          You write that you’re very busy with the 1MW plant.
          How about the jet-engine ? Is that on hold ?
          Kind Regards, Koen
          Andrea Rossi June 23rd, 2014
          Koen Vandewalle:
          Our R&D department is working on more that one issue. I personally in this period am focused on the 1 MW plant. You must put a distinction between us and me.
          Warm Regards, A.R.

  • LuFong

    How many visitable 1MW plants does this make now? Over a year ago Rossi was saying the exact same thing. What happened to that one? This is why many people (including me) have a hard time believing in anything Rossi says. And for someone in R&D Rossi sure is talking a lot. What happened to IH’s communication department? As you can tell I am not a big fan of Rossi.

    • deleo77

      Well, he is talking about this installation with IH now looking over his shoulder. If he were saying blatantly false things about what IH is up to would they ask him to retract his words? Perhaps.

    • knstanley7

      dear sir; i believe that industreal heat has the 1 mw prototype-best reguards -p.s. so far rossi has been fairly actually on most statements.

    • Sanjeev

      Failure happened.
      If you have some experience in entrepreneurship or carrying out big and entirely new projects, you will understand. Failures are more common, missed deadline and Murphy’s laws are most common. The rarest thing is success, that too in first shot.

      Its a good thing that Rossi and partners and still trying, and have not given up. Look at it just like any other startup, if its a success, it is, and if it fails, it fails. The real question is what have YOU done lately to make LENR and ECat a success. What’s your contribution?

      • LuFong

        Sanjeev, With all due respect you have absolutely no idea what happened. Nor do you really know what Rossi is doing. Nor do you have any influence at all about what happens with this matter.


        • Sanjeev

          Yes, I have no inside info, that’s right. But this is the only logical conclusion one can draw.
          The facts are – there is a partnership with IH and there is a lenr device, as evidenced by the previous third party. So what minimum can you say about the situation from these two facts?
          Even if I ignore Rossi’s sayings, I certainly can say that some effort is going on to bring the device to the market. The last attempt failed, but the chances of this happening in near future are good.
          Many people are trying to influence the acceptance of lenr, in whatever way they can. If you have money, you can actively do so but the least you can do is be positive and open minded about it with a good amount of skepticism. This blog alone has influenced a lot. But then you are entitled to your opinion, no issues.

          • LuFong

            Sanjeev, what we have is what Rossi says, which is a lot, enigmatic, an frequently contradictory or flat out wrong, and what IH has said, which is so very little, I’ll paraphrase: IH has acquired the intellectual property and licensing rights to Rossi’s E-Cat. IH is of course just a company set up by Cherokee which is a private equity firm whose goal is to make their investors money in a relatively short term.

            We also know that Rossi has demonstrated and/or tested his device and there is potential for a new form of energy but there are many concerns and issues and that nothing is really certain. The upcoming test and report should tilt the scale one way or another IMO about the Rossi effect since it appears to be more independent and thorough than anything we’ve seen in the past.

            The commercialism of the device is another story entirely and we have been waiting for this for over 3 years now when the first such commercial device was supposedly sold. We have not heard from a single customer about commercial applications of which according the Rossi there have been at least four (military, partner, customer of partner, and now this new customer which may be the same as the previous customer). This does include the at least handful of hints of customers Rossi has dropped over the years.

            But the bottom line is that what we know for certain is that Rossi and Cherokee are trying to make money and they will say anything and everything they can to do so. That is the only logical conclusion of which you can be fairly certain.

            • Sanjeev

              No, I do not see any logical way to arrive at a conclusion that all these people have set up an air-castle to get millions and billions, because its very easy for an investor to determine the reality of ECat, all he needs to do it take an engineer with some instrument there and say – show me!

              So what evidence do you have to claim that investors are losing money ? Any court cases, arrests, allegations or hard evidence, against Rossi and his buddies since 2010?

              How does it follows from failure to bring ECat to open market, that its all a set-up? It can be a failure due to normal reasons, like mismanagement and failure to find good business partners.

              How are you so sure that they will say anything or everything to make money, do you know something we don’t? Or is it your opinion based on blind bias?
              I’ll leave it here for now.

              • LuFong

                I never said investors are losing money. And Sanjeev there is a direct correlation in business between risk and reward. Right now there is a lot of risk. If Cherokee can reduce that risk then they are in for good payback. Reducing risk is not so easy. They do not have to even eliminate all the risk, just reduce it and pass it on.

                Even Rossi is saying this: “Matter of money…”

  • US_Citizen71

    Sounds like a more compact unit is likely. Rossi has spoken of a unit 1 meter in diameter by 2 long being capable of delivering the same 1 mega watt of heat that the previous cargo container size unit did. My bet is this new installation likely resembles that remark. Use in a commercial environment will go a long way to bringing us to the tipping point of acceptance.

    • Maxfield Q Norse

      A factory could produce quite a few of those a day.
      I hope you are correct.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi has stated that all E-cats will be of a cat/mouse reactor.
      Don’t know how this will effect the 1Mw unit, But I would speculate that 1Mw units will all be of similar configuration.
      While speculating I would add, There will be a Lt-Mt-Ht-Temp versions each constructed of materials according to temperature needs.
      Copper for Lt, Iron-Mt, Steel for Ht. Priced accordingly.

    • Bernie777

      I agree, along with a positive third party report, IH will be able to report this installation, very positive and hard for major media to ignore.

  • Owen Geiger

    A verifiable operational plant with VIP tours (Frank and hopefully some blog readers) must mean assembly lines for mass production are not too far off? Any guesses on the timeframe between official announcement of the plant and LENR products ready for sale? One year?

    • ecatworld

      I think it depends on the general response. There may need to be substantial investment for mass production to happen. IH will need to expand rapidly for that. Not sure what their plans are in this regard.

      • Once this becomes “real” in the eyes of the influential and deep-pocketed, Industrial Heat’s grand plans may become moot (whatever they are exactly).

        It will take on a life of its own — as it should. We just need to get past the tipping point.

      • Owen Geiger

        Keep in mind that the general public response is not terribly important at first. Rossi/IH are focusing on getting big money investors who can quickly sink billions into factories. The sheeple will follow in time.

        Also realize, qualified big ticket investors will be privy to confidential results of the plant. So there will be a transition period where ignorant skeptics can still shout from rooftops and on blogs, but the insiders will know the real details.

        • Omega Z

          It will take longer & businesses will move slower then you imagine.
          It’s a new unproven technology. They’ll take it a step at a time with a large learning curve. Start with Millions, Graduate to 10’s of Millions Etc, Etc.. Over several years.

  • Maxfield Q Norse

    It is interesting that this is a factory and not an energy plant. Will the products perhaps have some environmental stamp of approval showing the use of Green LENR Energy in the manufacture?
    It would be a nice finishing touch.

    • Buck

      Maxfield, I’m sure that are more notable elements to be observed that the following list:

      >> It bypasses the monopolistic & centralized structure of power plants and the associated coordinated & cohesive industry lobbying structure
      >> It supports and follows the industry trend of dismantling of the 100 year old ‘dumb’ power grids
      >> It demonstrates to a very large eager market, a market far larger than the power plant market, how costs of production may be reduced
      >> It creates the opportunity to elevate the customer’s Brand to encompass the still to be determined symbolism of LENR driven environmentalism
      >> It creates customer competition . . . who is going to be first to gain the notoriety and marketing benefits
      >> It creates a relevant and powerful constituency that can provide political pressure
      >> It shows the technology to be far more accessible to the consumer, compared to a tech that drives a 500MW power plant

      • Maxfield Q Norse

        Indeed! Your list is quite good.
        In a smaller sense then you were going for, it is also a natural first step.

        Provides heat and steam for manufacturing on site and you bypass much of the loss introduced by pumping all that power across the wire, and the loss is substantial.

        A simpler more pure to the nature of the product step, which showcases the product, rather than someone’s turbine and generator connected to it.

        A more interesting tour. Watching things being made is just entertaining.

        I wish there were a desktop toy version, a working model. But that I think is too much to ask.

        • Buck

          IMO, your words point to how deeply we desire this revolutionary energy source . . . all part of the poetry that will capture the hearts of many.

          • GreenWin

            Just an excellent dialog all around. Thank you Buck, Maxfield, et al. Let’s also keep in mind the great benefit that transmutation of actinide waste will bring about. Eliminating the 75k TONS of homeless radioactive waste in the USA alone is a gift to humanity.

        • hempenearth

          There was a scientist/teacher who demonstrated a couple of excessively hot balls, from memory at NI week in 2013. These could be made into some form of desk top toy or even put into an under desk foot rest/support device. Can’t remember the details but I’m curious about his progress.

  • Matt

    Let me make a predicition: we will never know the customer’s name, we will never hear comments directly from the customer about the E-Cat, we will never learn anything about how the E-Cat is performing (except from Rossi).

    • Maxfield Q Norse

      Let me make a post-diction, your post is repetitive, impatient, and negative.
      We hear this six times in each thread. Please develop some new material.

    • Also we will never hear about Rossi’s supposed American partner…. oh wait.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    This will be the mass extinction event for the skeptics.


    • Buck

      Alan, great choice . . . Ethan Seagul is part of Forbes’ first line of defense against Cold Fusion.

    • I think many may prove as hardy as cockroaches and survive the blast.

      • Maxfield Q Norse

        That is a great one-liner!
        Thank you, I laughed so hard I cried.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Yeah, good point, our “best institutions” that set LENR back a quarter of a century with the help of their interlocking directorships with the media will continue to give themselves the highest rankings. We’ll have to hear about what a “responsible” roll they played since LENR’s discovery to keep it on track.

    • humblemechanic

      Or you will be hoist by your own petard.

  • Pierre Ordinaire

    GreenWin says:

    “Totally with you and the Bunion Frank! Blievers like Rosie & Cretans don’t care ’bout reality what’s “verified through empirical evidence.”

    Take this quacktor, Rima Laibow MD:

    “What do the Fukushima, the US Government, Chairman Mao, Joseph Stalin and Joseph Goebbels have in common? And what’s the connection with deadly radiation levels already poisoning you? Lies. Bald-faced lies to protect the interests of, in this case, the Nuclear Mafia.”


    I know guys livin’ in Fresno, an they feel fine. Far as they can tell.”

  • MasterBlaster7

    This is what I have been waiting for.

    Frank…can you get a clarification of weather it is an instillation of a hot-cat or a warm-cat?

    • Sanjeev

      Yes, that’s what I’m waiting for too.
      This will overshadow any kind of report etc. We already have reports and many published lenr papers. Not to undermine the importance of the report though, it will be beneficial too, but the kind of impact a working plant will produce is unmatched by lab studies.
      Who can argue with a corporation saying they are making profits due to an ECat?

      This is an era where corporations are driving the growth and innovation, the gov and scientific institutions are simply puppets in their hands, or they just sit and beg for “grants”. So its important that corporations take the lead in case of cold fusion too.

      • ecatworld

        Rossi has just been asked about this (translated from the Italian): “Thank you for your thorough answer … Just one last question, if you can … The plant is processing a Hot-cat plant E-cat or a type already shown in Bologna? Thanks again and good luck … (need that, too, is not it?). Best regards, Piero Mongioj”

        AR: “We will give in due time the description of it. Substantial evolution happened, though.”

        • MasterBlaster7

          Thanks Frank

          “Substantial evolution happened” that is a good sign.

          Although, I do wonder if this will be the “model T” of the hot cat….or some derivative to meet a narrowly tailored purpose. Still, any successful commercial product is a good thing.