ELFORSK Issues Statement on its Involvement in LENR Research

Thanks to AlainCo for bringing attention to the following press release just issued by Swedish energy research institute ELFORSK in response to this week’s radio program on Swedish radio about LENR in which portrayed LENR research in a distinctly negative light. The following is Google translated from the original Swedish.

Elforsk continues to follow developments

SR Vetenskapsradion has this week issued criticism towards Elforsk investigations of the alleged phenomenon that is usually called LERN – Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (nuclear reactions at low energy). The investigations began in 2012 when Elforsk was asked by a group of Swedish scientists that support the evaluation of an invention called the Energy Catalyzer. It was stated to have a heat output far exceeding that which can be explained by conventional combustion reactions. The Evaluation was conducted by Swedish and Italian researchers (Giuseppe Levi and Evelyn Foschi, University of Bologna, Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars Tegnér, Uppsala University and Hanno Essén, KTH) where the results were published in the report “Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device.” The measurements indicated a heat which not only could be explained by conventional combustion. Based on the results of those measurements Elforsk chose to go ahead and ordered a summary statement regarding LERN. The results were published in Elforsk report 13:90, which is available on Elforsk website. LENR is a controversial phenomenon that has received increased attention over the past two to three years. When a dozen companies over that they engage in the commercialization of LENR technology can this possibly indicate that something unexpectedly discovered and that this discovery in the future may affect the energy supply in the community. Elforsk is careful to emphasize that we do not currently have sufficient material in order to determine whether the phenomenon LENR exists or not. However, Elforsk determined the state state to briefly follow developments and to some extent help to increase insight and clarity on these issues. It is in Elforsk instructed to monitor ongoing research and development in order to prepare the companies in the energy sector on potential breakthroughs and build the knowledge necessary to challenge or affirm further development. For this reason Elforsk continue to monitor developments in the LENR field. Magnus Olofsson, CEO, Elforsk

http://elforsk.se/Aktuellt/Elforsk-fortsatter-att-folja-utvecklingen-inom-LENR/

  • robyn wyrick

    This statement reminds me of the question/answer phase of the recent NASA presentation by Doug Wells on LENR aerospace. After the long presentation, the first question out of the gate was whether “there was any evidence if the effect is confirmed by NASA engineers.”

    Chris Snyder responds – “NASA and other groups are working their own efforts to identify and understand these systems to try to determin if they’re real or not. There’s nothing to report yet, as far as I know. So the future is unknown.”

    Then Doug Wells makes a similar statement, “nothing to report here”.

    It looks to me that we’re all waiting on that independent report.

    And heck, it’s June!

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      yes, take your umbrella…

      at the same time they conform they reproduced the anomalous heat

      http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

      I won’t blame them as far as you see the desperate opposition. really , when things get accepted we should take care that the career of the opponents get ruined and they get ridiculed … I’m too afraid they will simply say “oh, now we have new evidence so we can accept… before we were missing data”… I want them to be judged as deniers and enemy of science and progress. It is for the next generation of deniers, for the next cold fusion saga.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Yes, it’s true that they (some of them) will probably say “with the knowledge which everyone had then, our standpoint was obviously the only possible one”, and possibly someone might even argue that “it was irresponsible to sit on top of the information and block progress by presenting ‘evidence’ that didn’t meet proper standards – not to speak of the negative value of unscientific speculation which was everywhere”…

        • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

          again this is so classic that it is explained by Thomas Kuhn and Nassim Nicholas taleb.

          Kuhn explain that the history taught to students is rewrittent to be linear and show how clear is current paradigm, hiding not only the fierce battles, but also the qualities of the old paradigm that justified a rational denial of reality.
          http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/Kuhn.html

          “Chapter XI – The Invisibility of Revolutions.
          Because paradigm shifts are generally viewed not as revolutions but as additions to scientific knowledge, and because the history of the field is represented in the new textbooks that accompany a new paradigm, a scientific revolution seems invisible.”

          Nassim Nicholas taleb in Antifragile is much more violent.
          He explain in “Lecturing Birds How To fly” that academic manipulate history to make them look useful, while the job of innovation was done by practitioners, without much theory.
          Academic manipulate the history books to make their importance much higher, to put theory as the foundation of all innovation, and not as a final conclusion of an empirical phenomenon.

          He present an early version of his ideas in tha paper, but develop it much more in AntiFragile
          http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/Triana-fwd.pdf

          basically the tragedy of cold fusion is … classic.
          horrific, but classic…
          Semmelweis died of puerperal fever in a psychiatric hospital.
          The inventors of transitor, the discoverer of PN junction were ignored, like the discoverer of HTSC.

          Taleb even explain how the academic choose a “cleaner” academic to remove dirty practitioners from history.

      • GreenWin

        The way to prevent recurrence of witch hunts disguised as “science” is thorough house cleaning. This means in the US, DOE, and minions, EPA, NSF, phony media, corrupt ABCs. It is a many headed monster, just as Caravaggio painted years ago: http://bit.ly/1gZ71Nc

  • Omega Z

    We discussed Cyclone Engines a while back as a possible heat engine combined with E-cats. I recall someone said they had shares in this company. Presently, share price has dropped below 1 cent.
    Maybe things will start looking up in time. They appear to have a military project coming about. Note: Dr. Yeong Kim consults with them.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140529-907306.html

    http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/22/u-s-army-goes-all-jay-leno-on-cyclone-biofuel-steam-engines/

  • Alain Samoun

    There is certainly a part of truth in that: Colorado= Cold Red = CF

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Don’t worry! June will be here soon.

  • jousterusa

    I thought this was a courageous statement on the part of Elforsk. You expect big companies like that to “cut and run” at the first sign of trouble or criticism, but they did not. If you parse their statement, they remain exactly where they were before the Sveriges horsesh-t came to light.

  • jousterusa

    “The measurements indicated a heat which not only could be explained by conventional combustion” Should be “could <u<not be explained,” etc.

    • Ged

      Just odd translation wording; but it makes sense in a literal way in English, saying it can not be explained by combustion.

  • Gerard McEk

    Elforsk clearly (indirectly) states that they do not agree with the negative statements made in the radio program. Of course they keep some manoeuvring space for the future as they were not sufficiently involved in Rossi’s ecat to make a final statement. Besides that, it is quite unclear if and within how much time the ecat will start to influence the energy market. I am sure they keep themselves better informed than what they write in an official statement. I guess they are in direct contact with the Swedish an perhaps also the Italian professors and they may know now the outcome already.
    I think this is a positive statement for LENR and as much as can be expected of this company at this moment in time.

    • Fortyniner

      Agreed – this is the voice of official cautious optimism, and probably of deliberate positioning as a voice of authority in the (soon to emerge) field. Behind this the atmosphere may be less calm.

      • blanco69

        Agreed Peter, more official credibility in the way Elforsk have refrained from criticising Swedish radio. They’ve played fairly throughout. The Swedish ecat arena has more to give I feel.

    • Omega Z

      They can’t say more at this time. (NDA)
      It Doesn’t matter what they know or suspect.
      “TPTB” will not commit until the Report is Official.

      This test really is more important then most here realize.
      It will determine Who will come out Officially about this phenomenon. No one wants to stick their neck out until they have more Scientifically Definitive Proof.
      Just as a young Scientist can destroy his career if the facts don’t prove real, Credibility of “TPTB” would also suffer if they speak to soon.
      Whoops, To Late. :-)
      But it matters to them. Anyway, This is what keeps them quite. As Always, Secrets are kept by Fear of consequences.

  • Christopher Calder

    Many in the old physics and energy establishment view LENR as a form of witchcraft. That has slowed the progress of LENR, but cannot stop it. It will all make good material for the movies that will inevitably be made detailing the birth of LENR. Conflict and tension make good scripts. If it were a cake walk, Hollywood could not make a movie out of it. Rossi and the Greeks will make interesting characters for any script writer.

    • Fortyniner

      I hope it doesn’t turn out in the movies that some brilliant and handsome American inventor builds a cold fusion reactor in his basement but is thwarted for many years by villains with English accents.

      • Omega Z

        Drats,
        There goes my Rough Draft.
        If I should send this to the producer & they they it a movie, No Doubt 49’er will claim I stole his Idea & sue me for infringement.
        Time for a new scenario. A Complete rewrite.
        Two years wasted. Wait. Hey Peter, How do you feel about a Collaboration? :-).

        • Fortyniner

          Great – maybe you could get me a screen-test as an English villain..

          • Omega Z

            Suggested, ….Rejected,
            They reviewed many of your posts at ECW.
            They don’t think you come across authentic enough.
            Probably, You spent to much time reading U.S. Blog posts.
            ;-)

    • GreenWin

      I would opt for an interpretation of Quixote with Focardi as Panza, Of course the villains will still have English accents.

      http://bit.ly/1pJEwTB

  • Job001

    Truly typical of inside investors.
    Slander the new, beat the band for the old.
    Buy the new and sell the old.

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    It’s JUNE and Rossi’s tone has changed. He is now all about the 1 MW plants hitting the market.

    Andrea Rossi
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:35 AM

    Dr Joseph Fine:
    Thank you, I really appreciate.
    I am keeping my work as focused as never before. Now we pass from the testing era to the market era with the 1 MW plants in continuous industrial operation. IN MERCATO VERITAS.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    and…

    Andrea Rossi

    June 1st, 2014 at 7:18 AM

    Frank Acland:
    We will give all the due particulars of this industrial application in the USA when we will open the visits to the plant in operation.
    Warm regards
    A.R.

    • psi2u2

      Sounds good.

      • Fortyniner

        It does indeed.

        Rossi can be a little loose with plurals, but he says ‘plants’ more than once, perhaps indicating at least one other outside the US (China?, Sweden?).

        • Ophelia Rump

          The plural I think is a reference to sales of continuous operation plants.
          The reference to opening visits to the plant, is great news, they have a showcase in operation and are ready to go to market.

          Almost time to make the popcorn and settle in for the fireworks.

    • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

      And more…

      Andrea Rossi

      June 1st, 2014 at 10:50 AM

      Italo R.:
      I am focused on the 1 MW plant, as I said. Only the market will put an end to all the useless chattering around and will vindicate the value of our work, making groundless the accusations based on my past ( seehttp://www.ingandrearossi.com). My enemies can libel me, can write and broadcast falsities and accusations regarding facts of my life of 20 years ( twenty years !!!) ago, not related to my work on the LENR, but useful to try to discredit my person, can blackmail me, can do this and other, but one thing they will never able to do: stop the plants that are working with my technology. I have to answer with facts, not words, to the trolls.
      The particulars of the plant in operation in the USA will be given to the visitors when we will be able to allow visits to next Customers and allowed persons and will be published in due time.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • Omega Z

        Note to Frank

        It sounds like it may be getting close to time for you to pack your luggage.
        Just in case you should get a call.

  • GreenWin

    The Best Thing We Shall Ever Do

    We can find few better examples of species tribal conflict than the behavior we are seeing from LENR supporters and their unsavory opponents. It is not a conflict played out by Elforsk or the Swedish and Italian scientists who have confirmed the LENR (anomalous heat) effect. That effect is, and has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Rather, it is now on a much greater stage where this knowledge is internalized and reacted to by the most powerful financial resources on Earth.

    For example, on Friday the second pillar in the US stock trading system NASDAQ, reissued a highly disruptive statement for those who know how to read between lines.

    “There has been growing tension between the electric utility industry and the solar industry – specifically the part of the solar industry that is focused on distributed, or point of use, solar installations. This friction has really been a proxy for what is developing as a larger challenge to the utilities. New technologies are making generating, storing and managing electricity at the point of use much easier and much more economical.” May 30, 2014 NASDAQ

    http://www.nasdaq.com/article/barclays-just-threw-gasoline-on-the-fire-that-is-the-battle-between-utilities-and-the-solar-industry-cm357337#ixzz33MGQu1pS

    This is now the third highly influential financial warning from major Wall Street investment banks, and international equities and bond market advisers. Both Barclays Bank and Morningstar investment advisers have issued urgent warnings on the potential for electric utilities investments to under perform in the near future.

    This is why attacks on confirmed knowledge of LENR have been stepped up. A major financial upheaval is underway. But none of this will make the knowledge go away. The evidence is clear, irrefutable, and expanding. The challenge for global guidance is how to minimize the fear this long-delayed evolution will cause. As Franklin D. Roosevelt emphasized in his inaugural address of 1933:

    “So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself— nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into
    advance.”

    Roosevelt directly addressed the underlying cause of the financial collapse and depression of 1932. It is an immediate analog to the consolidation of electric utilities today:

    “Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men… Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.” Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Nothing will alter the facts or the evidence that we have a new, powerful, abundant form of clean energy. Only the fears of money changers and their minions stand in the way of greater prosperity for all mankind. It is therefor incumbent upon us, here and around the world; a small dedicated band of good men and women to support and nurture that prosperity into full, productive blossom.

    • psi2u2

      Hi Greenwin, I agree, but keep your eye on what is happening today in the field of Shakespearean studies and you will see a very similar dynamic at work. Lies, insults, egregious half truths, and well-cultivated ignorance substitute for active engagement with problems and solutions. Sadly, it seems that the truth of this matter will be resolved only over a much longer time frame than what we are seeing with LENR. Sorry if this seems off topic. I don’t mention it often, but it is relevant, I think to the larger study of the dynamics of the suppression of free inquiry by the tenured few, and may be of some interest to the intellectually inquisitive community that reads and posts here. A few details: http://shake-speares-bible.com/2014/04/07/aloha-vere-folger-library-confronts-problems-of-shakespearean-biography/

      • Fibber McGourlick

        I wholeheartedly agree. The works attributed to Shakespeare were actually written by a French apothecary by the name of Jimmy Nostradamus. He also predicted that the world would deny his authorship of the plays and poems, and that they would instead be attributed to a 16th century actor by the name of Shakenspur. (A minor typo in the crystal ball.) See Les Prophesies, stanza 223.

        Incidentally, he also predicted a major upheaval in civilization beginning on June 15, 2014 when someone named Ecat Reactor would appear with devastating effect.

        • GreenWin

          The translation I read was “Egadz Reacteur” but I’m sure its open to interpretation.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          O for a muse of (new)fire, that would ascend

          The brightest heaven of invention,

          A kingdom for a stage, princes (PTBs) to act

          And monarchs to behold the swelling scene! …
          (Henry V, prologue)

        • Alain Samoun

          “The works attributed to Shakespeare were actually written by a French ”
          In matter of fact, I want to tell you that contrary to what have been written so far Andrea Rossi is not Italian,he is French of course,his father was Tino Rossi,a singer and an actor from Corsica – I know it’s not completely French but we took it from the Italians anyway, and don’t tell me that Napoleon Bonaparte was not French… see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tino_Rossi

          • psi2u2

            Hi Alain, Here is a great new documentary on the Shakespearean question. You will find the documentary much more revealing than anything you can read on the thought-controlled wkipedia pages on the topic: http://firstfoliopictures.com/film Also this video by Kier Cutler (PhD, English) gives some idea of the foolishness of the status quo ante on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpc5A-14tmw

            • Alain Samoun

              OK I visited the links and watched the movie and watched the UTube conference. It’s pretty convincing that William S is not the one from Stratford. My English literature background and fluency of the language being rather limited, I’m not going to even guess a name for the real author,even that he was French ;-) but of course there are a lot of similarities in the arguments of the academic Stratfordians and the main stream physicians critics of cold fusion and that was your point I’m sure. Thanks for giving me the info.

              • psi2u2

                Hey Alain, thanks for checking this out. Many more details are given in the full length documentary, but of course that requires a rental. He was in fact, imho, of Norman extraction, although his family also owned the manuscript of Beowulf and he was taught Anglo-Saxon as well as Latin etc. at an early age, and his first surviving correspondence (age 13) is, in fact, a letter in French! Indeed, the psychological and sociological dynamics exhibited by a dying a paradigm seem to be universal.

        • blanco69

          Jimmy Nostradamus? Nice one Fib. Can’t wait to see …er Mr Reactor’s entrance from stage left.

      • GreenWin

        psi2u2, thanks very much for your insightful comment and link to Strimatter’s amusing essay and Cutler’s hilarious talk “From Crackpot to Mainstream.” While the slings and arrows of Shakespearean authorship pale against the brawl of heretical science – cognitive dissonance is common to both. Orthodox defense of knowledge monopolies is as old as Sumerian cuneiform. At the heart of both is an instilled fear of impermanence. And the ephemeral appearance of life.

        This is a “problem” of which Shakespeare authorship is only a symptom. Sacrosanct knowledge is based upon a belief that one’s life has meaning only in material achievement. That you only get one life, and that matter is permanent. These beliefs are the foundation of religious thought which benefits earth’s Pharisaic overseers. But all things must pass. :)

        • Ophelia Rump

          Methinks someone hath tempered the lemonade with gin.

          Pass the lemonade please!

          • psi2u2

            ;)

        • psi2u2

          Well put, and thank you for the kind words of encouragement and wisdom.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Don’t scare the investors, is what I read in that.
    Some of the words also protect their right to speak proudly of being an early supporter of the research, should that be desirable. There was certainly no denunciation.

    They will go from cautious oversight to, we have a plant in full successful operation. There will be with very little other announcement between the two states except perhaps that a research test facility is being built.

  • Freethinker

    Just hope the end phrase “Av detta skäl kommer Elforsk även fortsättningsvis att följa utvecklingen inom LENR-området. ” translated into “For this reason Elforsk will continue to FOLLOW the developments within the LENR field.” is not an indicator that they will not financially support investigations, but rather “follow” the field…. If it means a lowering of their ambition, then the radio program would have had some success in they Goebelish hate propaganda.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      following the domain is all we need.
      the problem is that today nobody is allowed to follow the domain because of the academic groupthink, for fear they find it interesting.

      if they follow…. guess what…

      • Freethinker

        Suppose it is better than nothing, but if their ambition level is cut down a few notches, then Ulrika Björkstén will have been at-least partially successful in attacking LENR. And we can’t have that … can we ;)

        • Ophelia Rump

          I think the translation is not worthy of reading too deeply.

          • Freethinker

            :)
            No likely not. In the end the radio program farce, as annoying as it has been, is just a parenthesis in history. Cant help to remain vigilant, though.

  • http://lenrftw.net LENR G

    “Elforsk is careful to emphasize that we do not currently have sufficient material in order to determine whether the phenomenon LENR exists or not”

    Because a thousand papers — including your own rather definitive and dramatic one — is just not enough. That’s some weak tea right there.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      this is reasonable corporate sentence to avoid taking any risk, and also avoid looking partial.

      saying cold fusion is bunk despite having no evidence against hundreds of papers, is acceptable, and being wrong will be accepted.
      but pretending to be sure LENr is real based on evidences, and lack of any scientific grade critic, is an awful risk…

      as I’ve heard during my military services, if you do something in group, how stupid it can be, it is a good thing. being right alone, is sure death.

      • mytakeis

        except when you are Right, and do not give a concern for the consequences… a real good feeling

    • Ophelia Rump

      After a brisk attack on the subject, the people who know best said it is still worthy of monitoring. I think that is sufficient. They have no vested interest in defending the field of research. They seem not inclined to climb on the bandwagon torch in hand to burn out the heretics.

      All well and good.

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

    “The measurements indicated a heat which not only could be explained by conventional combustion”

    it seems it is rather somethink like

    “The measurements only indicated a heat which could not be explained by conventional combustion” , but should ask a swedish reader. it would be more coherent with their statements.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      “Mätningarna indikerade en värmeproduktion som inte enbart kunde förklaras med konventionell förbränning” = The measurements indicated [a level of] heat production that cannot entirely be explained by conventional combustion [alternative translation: that cannot be explained by conventional combustion alone].

      • Daniel Maris

        Surely in context it has to be the latter, since anolamous heat was found in addition to the amount of heat expected.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          The Swedish sentence looks to me as an attempt to write “produces heat beyond chemical limit” (which was the conclusion of Levi et al.) in layman terms. Of course, Levi et al. didn’t report anything burning inside the device, so I understand it that references to “combustion” or “burning” refer to chemical reactions overall.