Update from the MFMP

I received the following update from Bob Greenyer of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project

We’ll be running a series of blog posts from our team members old and new over the next few weeks on practical research methods for LENR and making of reaction matrix. This will be reporting on recent works by team members old and new.

On the live front, Mathieu has started the improved differential cells calibration in France and it is going very nicely and we hope to finally have the Steel and Glass cells up and running in the next week or two – we will be posting updated photos on those very soon.

Here is the first of the blogs.
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MFMP powder team member Bob Higgins, writes a how-to blog on production of his reaction matrix. Made from nano-micrometric catalytic clusters of Nickel and Fe2O3, this material aims to be robust, easy to handle and not exhibit the many difficulties seen with nano powders on their own, such as lofting, ease of toxic exposure, rapid damage to vacuum equipment, etc.

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/powder-test-cells/372-adding-nano-scale-features-to-macro-scale-metals-for-lenr-applications

  • Allan Shura

    There is a lot of time for the search for the ultimate catalyst. However we have had nano Pd-deuterium systems for quite a while and that should be very cost effective. The technical difficulty
    that evidently seems to stall a product release (besides NDA proprietary systems) is the reaction control mechanism employed.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    There is a hydrogen-based steelmaking process.
    Fe2O3 + 3 H2 > 3 H2O + Fe (metal).
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/27/posco-carbon-idUSSEO205120091127
    So, the iron oxide might be degraded by hydrogen and form iron.

  • Gerard McEk

    It would have been great when MFMP would have proven the claims of researchers by now, but things do not move so fast with little money and even if a lot of cash would have been thrown at it, results may have lingered because of all kinds of little things. like parameters, settings, procedures, power interruptions, change of shifts and what have you.
    People watching the birth of a paradigm change should practice a heron’s patience.

  • Freethinker

    I agree,

    that expectations has not been met the way one would like them to be be. However, I rather see the glass as half-full than half-empty, and maybe we should manage our expectations a bit when it comes to MFMP.

    They have put in a lot of effort (regardless if one argues that it has been misguided or not), and they have tried hard to communicate results even in real time. There is a limit however, on what can be done will limited means regardless of how much you adapt to those limitations. Fixing the limitations would mean finding money. That is not easy either.

    I for one is happy to see some signs of life from MFMP and there is nothing wrong with communicating the status.

    Naturally, it would be great if the status was “SUCCESS!!”. ;)

    Speaking about status reports, anybody knows anything about progress on Alan Smith’s HHO experiment?

    • US_Citizen71

      It has been almost three weeks since the last update from Alan Smith, hopefully he has something for us soon be it positive or negative. ; )

  • Mr. Moho

    I honestly wish the MFMP would refrain from hyping things up when apparently nothing really that exciting is going on. They have a history of promising too much “coming very soon” without delivering or delivering too little and that isn’t putting them in a very good light. I feel there is a disconnect between how they perceive things going on/progressing and how people outside of their circles do. I think the standard explanation is lack of time/manpower/funds, but knowing where the issues lie, one would normally expect to either fix them or adapt to them.

    Besides this, the timing for such games is just bad, with Defkalion getting busted, Rossi/IH delaying reports and actual news, minor players trying to raise money with blatantly fake LENR devices, many others promising news “very soon” (not). I think people are growing tired of this.

    • bachcole

      I agree for the most part, without as much impatience. I just don’t read anything coming from MFMP. Wake me when they have something significant.

    • Daniel Maris

      I agree. The only game in town at the moment is IH/Rossi. And we await developments with interest.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Really? The George Miley device (as example) is currently for sale to NASA. This device has roots in the Patterson Cell phenomenon that died when a young 31 year old Patterson died suddenly. That man had hired Dr. George Miley to verify the Cell, and George Miley did that.
        All that is needed is for a patent or device to break out the market. Once proof of concept is accepted and Cold Fusion is front page news.
        I agree Rossi has made efforts, but anybody could suprise us. Toyota, NASA, Piantelli, Miley, Hagelstein, or some Math Genius in New Jersey.

        • Daniel Maris

          I agree it’s possible others might be making significant progress out of sight – particularly companies like Toyota.

          Not sure what you mean when you say “currently for sale to NASA”.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            The statement, “currently for sale to NASA” is referencing Miley’s goal to use his technology in a thermoelectric cell that powers NASA space probes as an early application.

            His version uses Heavy Hydrogen (Deuterium), which is a rarer form of Hydrogen and more costly. This is one of the reasons his cell is being marketed for space (NASA) as opposed to home owners.

            Dr. Miley has some of the best scientific credentials of those working in the LENR field. Combine this fact with his recent LENR patent and openness about the technological issues he is facing, make him a
            major player on the path to commercialize LENR. Additionally, his
            conceptual designs are not based on heat generation alone, but the
            co-generation of heat and thus electricity by thermoelectric processes.

            Although I have hopes for the Dr. George Miley device, I am also troubled that he is allowed to pursue LENR development after he was hired many years ago to verify The Patterson Cell (Which he did).

            When the Patterson men died it appears so did The Patterson Cell, but I think if Miley is the one with “The Breakthrough” tech then he owes it to the company that first introduced him to working LENR.

            Lawyers some day will be getting rich off LENR lawsuits and patent rights .

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I’d wager LENR users must be trying to keep their progress quiet somewhat for fear of losing the race for understanding, the patent races, and other such roads profit drives them.
      This “announcement” is likely necessary to get some scientific LENR minds in the game as they wish suggestions on experimentation.
      I’d be happiest if MFMP was just able to replicate LENR and create kits like they suggested, or at least does public demonstrations and verifications.
      I’m also curious about how Brian Ahern is involved with them.

    • Fortyniner

      I share your impatience, but your overview seems unduly pessimistic to me, as the facts (at least as we know them) would also be completely consistent with IH and associates proceeding steadily towards commercialisation while trying to avoid publicity for all the obvious reasons. The only reason to continually make claims of progress would be to attract investment or media interest, and Rossi seems to be well past that stage.

      Unless Rossi was unbelievably lucky in his ‘garage’ phase (which is possible) then it’s likely that others will by now be using all the clues to home in on various ways to produce comparable LENRs, and some of the new claimants will indeed have workable devices – if not now, then soon. However, as you suggest, there will inevitably be investment scammers around, and anyone looking to buy a piece of the pie will presumably exercise very detailed due diligence before parting with their loot.

      Many of us are suffering from a growing sense of frustration after three years or so, and especially as apparent confirmations of Rossi’s progress continue to roll in, but I guess these things move at their own pace.

      • georgehants

        Peter, I think Mr. Rossi said 16 years of searching for his catalysis, that would mean 16 equally competent searchers would take I year if none of them repeated each others experiments.
        unfortunately that repetition would be most difficult to avoid, I think.
        If average scientists where involved, who of course believe that nothing beyond a steam-engine is possible and science knows everything about everything, then possibly by mistake they may find it in about a thousand years.
        A few more real scientists like P&F would be good.

  • Daniel Maris

    …let us know when you have something.