On the Industrial Heat China Connection

The news about Industrial Heat Tom Darden visiting China last month and participating in the establishment of the Nickel Hydrogen Energy Research Center has been very intriguing, and it’s a shame we have to rely largely on imperfect computer-translated articles for our information. And even in China, information about what went on is hard to find.

Thanks to AlainCo for finding another mention of this event on a forum on the xinhuanet.com website. The original post in the thread reads (Google translated):

“China Tianjin NiMH (cold fusion) research center was established in Tianjin, China Nickel Metal Hydride (cold fusion) Research Center on April 16 in Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park was established, Tom Darden, president of the American Industrial Heat attended the inaugural ceremony, the company was Rossi E – Cat manufacturing company. Attended the inauguration ceremony of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, as well as hospital Zhao Gang (transliteration) researcher”

Even though there is not much information about it, I think the fact that this event took place is very significant. It shows that Tom Darden must have plenty of confidence in E-Cat technology. Whether he has seen the results of the 3rd party testing is debatable, but he will certainly know about how internal testing at Industrial Heat is going. Andrea Rossi has stated that R & D at IH is on going, data is being recorded and patent applications are being filed. I would think that Darden will have been well-briefed about performance of the E-cats under test, and must feel comfortable enough to start working on business deals and cooperative agreements.

I’m hoping that Industrial Heat will respond to inquiries I have sent asking for some more details about the recent activities in China.

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-fedrizzi/making-things-right-is-in-new-orleans_b_5353759.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green
    This article states the the Tom Darden of “Make it Right” Foundation of actor Brat Pitt is the son of our Tom Darden from Cherokee Fund…
    Not sure about it if he really is, but it could surely help to enlarge the network of his dad. There are connections to Bill Clinton, etc.

    • ecatworld

      Yes, he is Tom Darden’s son.

  • Neanderthal

    Tom Darden coupled with the Chinese involvement. Is being watched intensely. I have the impression that IH shares will increase considereable come June.

  • Curbina

    Not sure if yoru are serious or sarcastic, but a good sarcasm is normally hard to detect… ;)

  • George N

    My best guess of IH commercialization status: the new Chinese research center is for creating prototypes of the hot-cat (minus the fuel load). Once the Chinese research center has successfully delivered hot-cat prototypes to IH in America that work with fuel cartridges created in America, it will then be time to elicit capital to build the big production plant — this will coincide with the second 3rd party report. The initial target market countries will be those that honor NDA’s and have coal powered plants. This will generate income to further refine the ecat for other industries and generate more leverage to gain a US patent. If a US patent is not granted, the ecat will remain in heavy industries in NDA abiding countries until the home-ecat is developed, in which case the home ecat production line will be so large that it will eliminate potential competition due to such small profit margins in relation to upfront costs — but I’m willing to bet a US patent will be granted by then (if nuke regulations are not an issue). If there is no US patent granted, I think then there is an inherent motivation to build the home-ecat to pre-empt the eventual leaks and competition. Just my two cents generated from my subconcious statistical probability generator!

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Cross-border shipping of sealed cartridges which contain some unknown “powder” could turn out to be problematic. If this would be the plan, IH should contact the responsible customs authorities as soon as possible in order to avoid unpleasant surprises.

  • GreenWin

    Frankly, the more I learn of Tom Darden’s approach, the more integrity I perceive. Tom’s philosophy is to rehabilitate “brownsfield” property – to convert polluted lands and old fossil fuel dumps to productive, non-toxic uses. I serve at just such a site. Rehabbed from oil fuel storage to a pristine and scenic extension of our city’s good art museum.

    This, IMO is precisely the creative vision LENR needs. China is choking on particulate pollution – magnitude 10X the unsubstantiated fears of AGW. “Giving” is a key to human evolution. The ability to find and fertilize the common ground of “giving” sets the path for human survival. We now have models, e.g. corporate and government contributions of AIDS medication to underserved populations – confirming corporate altruism and commerce can working hand in hand. Corporate good will, saves lives, and reminds corporations that philanthropy is just as powerful and remunerative, as PR & advertising.

    LENR can, in near to mid-term create higher standards of living. Repeated studies confirm higher standards of living mitigate live births. A stabilized population is a far better theatre to uplift. If IH elects to “give” China a simple version of LENR/E-Cat, millions of lives are saved, and the futile pursuit of fossil/fission energy is terminated. Trade, tempered by altruism is a provocative path to human evolution. Frankly, the more I learn of Tom Darden’s approach, the more integrity I perceive. Tom’s philosophy is to rehabilitate “brownsfield” property – to convert polluted lands and old fossil fuel dumps to productive, non-toxic uses. I serve at just such a site. Rehabbed from oil fuel storage to a pristine and scenic extension of our city’s good art museum.

    This, IMO is precisely the creative vision LENR needs. China is choking on particulate pollution – magnitude 10X the unsubstantiated fears of AGW. “Giving” is a key to human evolution. The ability to find and fertilize the common ground of “giving” sets the path for human survival. We now have models, e.g. corporate and government contributions of AIDS medication to underserved populations – confirming corporate altruism and commerce can working hand in hand. Corporate good will, saves lives, and reminds corporations that philanthropy is even more powerful and remunerative, than PR & advertising.

    LENR can, in near to mid-term create higher standards of living. Repeated studies confirm higher standards of living mitigate live births. A stabilized population is a far better theatre to uplift. If IH elects to “give” China a simple version of LENR/E-Cat, millions of lives are saved, and the futile pursuit of fossil/fission energy is terminated. Trade, tempered by altruism is a
    provocative path to human evolution.

    • GreenWin

      Sorry about the poor edits… I am unregistered and so cannot correct the repetition above. Apologies to Frank and readers.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin, it really is not good enough you must spend many hours getting it just right.
        Remember that Roger is a stickler for good English.

        • GreenWin

          :)

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, good but one I think must recognise that all of the horrors you describe Worldwide are directly caused or increased by the corrupt mentality of capitalism, that is completly unnessasary today where production can easily meet the needs of all with relatively very few workers.
      Only when the greed for profit and unjust power is removed, in my opinion will the World start to move in a direction where peace and plenty can be livable to all and not as now, just the “privileged” few.

  • GreenWin

    Rog, thanks for the smile. And sharing your affection and son, with us. :)

  • atanguy

    A penny for your thoughts: The E-Cat needs some energy to start and sustain the LENR reaction, then NiMH batteries can be the source of energy needed for a self running E-cat?

  • deleo77

    On another note, it looks like DGT could be a scam:

    http://matslew.wordpress.com

    • Bernie777

      DGT is going to give LENR a black eye, I hope Xanthoulis goes to jail. Xanthoulis “- I know what is in the reactor. I know everything. It was done with spectroscopy at Siena University of Padova (…) They tested the reactor without [Rossi] knew what they were doing.”

      • Omega Z

        DGT is waiting on the E-cat to come to market so they can obtain the secret sauce.

  • Sanjeev

    The mention of NiMH does muddy the water. However no one would use the term “nickel hydrogen energy” instead of simply saying “battery”. Except google, may be, it uses strange words. A confirmation is needed.

  • Ged

    Guess we just need to wait till June.

  • Paul

    Yes, I hope they will soon communicate, or publish a professional website. How can they raise money nowadays without that?

    • US_Citizen71

      It is likely they do not need to raise money at this point. One backer with deep pockets can go a long way.

  • GreenWin

    That would help. As for NiMH con-fusion, Mr. Darden has a dozen investors in IH and the E-Cat IP – we have yet to see any interest in battery storage – of which NiMH is an older technology.

  • Mats

    Can you connect him with this event? That would be exciting!

  • Daniel Maris

    Yes, his CV does seem v. CF-related since 2002.

    2002: proposed “pumping effect” in gas-loading experiment instead of electrolysis: Proceedings of ICCF-9, pp.197-201.

    2003: proposed the correlation between deuterium flux and
    anomalous heat flow in gas-loading experiments: J. Phys. D: Appl. Phys.
    36 pp.3095–3097.

    2007: proposed “the conjecture of the neutrino emission from the metal hydrides,” J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 1 pp.1–5.

    2011: proposed the necessary condition for a low energy resonance
    governed by the weak interaction: Journal of Fusion Energy, DOI
    10.1007/s10894-011-9483-3.

    • Omega Z

      It appears he’s been following the P&F path since “89″
      Can’t recall- Is he the 1 that collaborated with Sven Kullander at Uppsala U. on a LENR device.

      2005 – Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENRs) – Xing Zhong Li at ICCF-12 – Comments on D2Fusion
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ZWxMfylcI

  • LENR G

    Yuasa. 1500 employee leader in NiMH batteries in Tianjin.
    http://www.yuasa-tech.com/en/gsjs.asp

    NiMH does not mean LENR. The post may have made some bad assumptions.

    Intriguing for sure but I remain unconvinced any of this is related to E-Cats. Intrigued… but unconvinced,

    • Mop

      The original of that quote really has “cold fusion” mentioned together with NiMH. It wasn’t added.

      Of course that’s only according to Google Translate. It thinks the following:

      冷核聚变 = cold fusion

      • LENR G

        Yes, but it’s just some random post of somebody following the E-Cat saga in China. They may or may not know what they are talking about.

        • bitplayer

          That’s my issue too; what is the trail of events from reality to internet posting? Cross-referencing different item may be some help, however, it still seems a bit like divining tea leaves at this point. Given the array of interests in the field of LENR-watching, caution seems well-placed.

          On the other hand, if it is believed that Darden really was in China attending the launch of an energy related initiative, along with a California Assemblyman, then that would seem to be an important piece in the overall puzzle.

    • Mop

      Some more experimentation with Google Translate to guess if it’s working right or not:

      冷 = cold
      核 = nuclear
      聚变 = fusion

      Here’s some Wiktionary research about the characters used:

      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%86%B7
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%A0%B8
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%81%9A
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%98

      It really looks like it means LENR.

    • Mr. Moho

      But in the end, it seems it’s what the news article from icebank.cn was referring about:
      http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118

      First sentence:

      4月16日下午3点,中美绿色技术转移中心——镍氢电能研究中心落户仪式在天津华苑产业园区海泰大厦三楼隆重举行

      Google translated as it is (copy&pasted):

      At 15:00 on April 16, China and the U.S. Green Technology Transfer Center – nickel-hydrogen energy research center located in a ceremony held in Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park, Hi-Tech Building, third floor

      Google translated after breaking it out in smaller parts and minor grammar-conscious fixes:

      At 15:00 on April 16, US-China Green Technology Transfer Center – Nickel-hydrogen energy research center [established] in a ceremony [held] at the Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park Hi-Tech Building, third floor

      • LENR G

        That’s why it’s intriguing. But I think it remains to be seen if this is just an ordinary nickel-hydrogen battery initiative or if it truly is an E-Cat play (or something in the middle? Normal battery stuff providing cover for E-Cat stuff?)

        I’m just saying the information we have so far is open to interpretation. Until Darden issues a press release saying something about R&D or production of E-Cats in Tianjin, it’s all just informed speculation.

        • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

          this is where the forum article is a key.
          It is written by Chinese and they don’t says “Nickel-Hydrogen” euphemisme, but Cold Fusion and commentators answers about E-cat…

          maybe the google translate is wrong, but the Chinese readers have translated it into Cold-Fusion E-cat and never talk of batteries.

          or the Chinese commentators cannot read Chinese.

          • LENR G

            I know but why assume the original poster knows what they are talking about? That person seems to have interpreted Nickel-Hydrogen as meaning cold fusion. May be right, may be wrong.

          • Curbina

            Many times I have seen this confusion caused by automated translations that rely on users for technical translations.

            • Curbina

              I mean, when you use Google Translate, you can suggest correct meanings, and when one is recommended by many users, Google begins to favor that translation over others.

        • Omega Z

          I posted a link above from Jed on Vortex.
          It is about the E-cat.

    • Ophelia Rump

      If you want someone to study arcane fluxes and effects occuring in combination with nickel, you might ask those guys. They would seem about as expert in the subject as anyone you might find, the practical kind of expert, as opposed to the theoretical.