Piantelli Patent Filing Published for Improving LENR Process

Thanks to Alan Smith and artefact for pointing out a recently published patent application (filed April 26, 2012) by Francesco Piantelli, which is described as a “method and apparatus for generating energy by nuclear reactions of hydrogen adsorbed by orbital capture on a nanocrystalline structure of a metal.”

The process described is an attempt to solve what are described as ‘technical problems’ in nickel-hydrogen reactions, and increase and control the amount of heat being produced by the following means:

“Solution: arranging a secondary material such as Lithium and/or Boron and/or a transition metal as 232Th, 236U, 239U, 239Pu within a predetermined distance (L) from the clusters of primary material, such that secondary material faces primary material, said secondary material adapted to interact with protons that are emitted by/from primary material during the above process. Secondary material reacts with such according to nuclear proton-dependent reactions releasing a secondary reaction heat (Q2) that is added to primary reaction heat (Q1). According to an aspect of the invention, a step, and a means thereto, is provided of/for regulating the heat produced, by adjusting the amount of secondary material that is arranged close to and facing primary material”

It seems to me that the LENR reaction itself is relatively easy to achieve when you are able to get the conditions right, but the major challenge involved is controlling and refining the reaction so that it can be stable and safe, and it’s interesting to see new levels of engineering going on here at the nano-scale, and I am sure that this kind of engineering will be an area of continual research by those involved in LENR.

Piantelli’s patents are always interesting, because he could be considered the pioneer of nickel-hydrogen LENR research, and Sergio Focardi worked closely with him before his collaboration with Rossi — and Piantelli already has a patent granted by the European Patent Office for nickel-hydrogen LENR. I’m sure this application will be closely watched by key players.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    George Miley received the first US patent that actually mentions LENR.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/29/does-george-miley-have-the-first-uspto-awarded-patent-for-cold-fusion/

  • Curbina

    I think the Rossi – Piantelli relation via Focardi is more than a mere possibility within the new scope of this information. The papers of Piantelli and Focardi in “Il nuvo cimento” as far as I recall never mentioned lithium, but is very plausible that Focardi kept in touch with Piantelli and got to know about Lithium as a catalyst. The use of both Lithium and Boron are interesting as they are also mentioned widely as possible fuels for aneutronic conventional Hot Fusion.

    • clovis ray

      Yes, these three fellows, rossi,focardi, piantelli, are great minds of our times, wouldn’t you like to set in on one of their brain storming sessions, something good, ground breaking, and out of the box, new things will come to those dreamers, that put their dreams to work for mankind, and it is my belief, that god approves of this new source of energy it should be able to serve as our work horse, for the work we’ll need to get done in the future.

  • clovis ray

    I just figure that when lenr is all rolled out . law suits will be all over the place, until it all gets sorted out.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Yes. It would be nice to see Piantelli get his due. Perhaps he will even get rights to ecat if Lithium is indeed the catalyst. Rossi was too afraid to actually name a catalyst from what we can see.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Rossi’s fears were not unfounded. At that time the patent department didn’t recognize the reality of LENR. So, his strategy to keep it a trade secret made sense at that time. It was probably the E-Cat that forced the patent department to change their tune about granting LENR patents.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS

        I know that this video of Eugene Mallove is all over the internet but I think it helps remind us of the hostile environment towards LENR that Rossi was entering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

      • friendlyprogrammer

        If I invented the toaster and the patent office said a toaster could not exist (maybe it was pre electricity), then I could later sue them if they granted a similar patent and obtain all rights to the the toaster. If Rossi has kept this a trade secret he may potentially forfeit zillions of dollars in future profits along with everything he has invested thus far.

        It will be fun to see how this plays out.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Was it China’s granting Brillouin a patent that prompted the USPTO to start issuing LENR patents?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Just thought I’d show the energy given off in the reaction of a proton plus boron-11 going to helium.
    H(1) + B(11) > 3 He(4) 8.68 MeV

    PS
    I hope we live to see all this happen. A war with Russia may be somewhat different from the war we had with Grenada.

    • Ophelia Rump

      The radioactive elements in nuclear warheads lose their umph after about 20 years, and turn into duds.

      The old U.S.S.R nukes will have past their expiration date. They are very expensive to put trough an enrichment process again and rebuild.

  • Gerard McEk

    When Rossi uses a Lithium cathalyser as Mats Lewan and others assume, then this patent may cause difficulties for Rossi and IH to bring something on the market.

    • Ophelia Rump

      It is more profitable to sue after someone has profited from all the heavy labor of bringing the technology to market.

      • Obvious

        I heard through the grapevine that the secret is iodized table salt. No patent needed.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Or maybe catnip

        • Barry8

          My vote is iron oxide. If I’m right I want a free download of Frank’s song.

          • Obvious

            Rossi claimed that the iron came from the stainless container. His patent shows a copper container. I wonder if that is where the copper came from.

            • Barry8

              *

              • Obvious

                I’m not sure what the * means…

                • Barry8

                  I’m not sure either Obvious. Don’t know how it happened.

          • ecatworld

            Deal, Barry!

  • Rob Woudenberg

    Nothing new, this is just the WO version of his granted EP2368252B1

    • Chris I

      Do you mean WIPO version?

  • artefact

    From the patent about materials that can but not have to be used:
    “Furthermore, the use of radioactive materials, such as those shown
    above [232Th, 236U, 239U, 239Pu.], as the secondary material, provides a possibility of a
    eliminating radioactive waste of various provenience, and provides a
    further energy recovery.”

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      make me think of GEC GeNiE reactor…

  • Daniel Maris

    I would agree with the following:

    “It seems to me that the LENR reaction itself is relatively easy to achieve when you are able to get the conditions right, but
    the major challenge involved is controlling and refining the reaction
    so that it can be stable and safe, and it’s interesting to see new
    levels of engineering going on here at the nano-scale, and I am sure
    that this kind of engineering will be an area of continual research by
    those involved in LENR.”

    It is the best explanation we have for the difficulties experienced in advancing in this field. But when one looks back one can see similar difficulties with technologies like conducting electricity, telegraphy, and radio broadcasting.

    • Barry8

      I agree with your agreement Daniel. Nano seems the new frontier. Peter Hagelstein said the NANOR seems to work most efficiently with regards to the spacing of the palladium, like chocolate chips in a cookie (only the dough is zirconium), which he thinks is why it can produce 100 cop with a 1/100th of a watt input, but only 3 cop with 1 watt input. Perhaps someday a microscopic 3d printer can make the most efficient CF cookies.

      • MasterBlaster7

        Yah. The Nano material is the trick. The nano powder increases surface area massively. And what the 25 years of experimenting on Palladium has discovered, is that the LENR reaction seems to happen at the surface of the material. In Hagelsteins view….increasing the surface area is good….but increasing the zero point vacancies within the material is the chocolate chips….that is the area of missing atoms within the crystalline lattice. It is actually Storms that thinks that pure surface area is the key….he thinks the reaction takes place in the crevaces and fissures on the surface of the crystalline lattice. But, both theories agree increased surface area is good.

        • Barry8

          MB, I was surprised to learn the carbon contained in the water filter under my sink, smaller than a coffee can, has over half an acre of surface area.

          When Fleischmann and Pons went back to the place where they bought their palladium, the seller said he only had a foot and a half left. My own belief is the palladium they bought had, for reasons yet to be fathomed, a rich environment for CF. When the replication tests were made, experimenters ran to stock shelves in different parts of the world for, supposedly pure palladium. I recently learned “pure palladium” is by no means pure, especially on the nano scale.

          • MasterBlaster7

            Your lungs have the surface area of a tennis court. Fun with science.

            We are ALL very luck that…that particular batch of palladium had “desirable” properties….or this whole area of LENR might have been missed.

            Makes you wonder what other batch of something else wasn’t so lucky.

        • clovis ray

          i agree,about surface area, but not sure about storns crack theory but surface area has always been known hence powdered nickel, by Dr, Rossi anyway.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            As MasterBlaster has already pointed out, several factors could be important. Surface area is one of them. Furthermore, the size of the cavities between the grains may be critical. Finally, one could speculate that the size of the grains has to be adapted to the average size of the magnetic domains in bulk nickel ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_domain ). This might be a characteristic feature of Rossi’s and Defkalion’s reactors, which allows the generation of larger amounts of heat, in comparison to other systems.

            • MasterBlaster7

              could be…not sure how magnetism plays yet…although I think jet energy was getting interesting results playing with magnetism. But, for now, less fiddling with cool stuff…more getting a product to market. Its kinda like…lets get the first microchip to market and mess with RISC v. CISC later.