Brian Ahern Joins the MFMP Team

The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project have announced on their quantumheat.org website that Brian Ahern has joined their team to help with research and experimentation into LENR. On their blog post making this announcement they explain some of the assets that Ahern brings to the team:

“Dr. Ahern was investigating the effects of Hydrogen and Deuterium in Palladium even before the Pons and Fleischmann announcement and he is passionate about nano materials in the “magic” 3-12 nm range as highlighted by the highly decorated Japanese scientist Arata. He understands and has shown that materials simply don’t behave at this scale as they do at anything larger and this may be critical to understand what is going on, it might also explain the lack of interesting data we had with our 40nm Ni powders last year. He is also passionate about the effect of magnetism, something he believes and others have demonstrated, is key to igniting the New Fire.”

Below is a video of Brian Ahern’s presentation about LENR at the recent cold fusion conference held at MIT.

Interestingly, back in June 2011 Andrea Rossi made this comment: “Dr Brian Ahern and his team have a strong preparation , and they do not need my help. I believe they will be first in the race to be my competitors in the market.”

  • Omega Z

    For the most part, People have an Obligation to themselves to practice due diligence. From your own words, it sounds as if you fell a little short. You need to ask yourself if this had anything to do with having the opportunity to join MFMP. Did this cloud your judgement. There’s no shame in this. It happens to everyone in life more often then we like to admit.

    I can imagine most of the people here at ECW throwing caution to the wind for an opportunity to Join Rossi’s inner circle. Not the smartest action. They could easily find themselves obligated to decisions they may not like. However, I fully understand how this can happen.
    Learn from your mistakes & move on.

    I will cautiously assume by others getting involved in this case has to do with Brian Ahern among others. There Big Boys. They’ve been around the block a few times. They know the ropes very well. Maybe the Mostly Youngsters at MFMP should practice their own due diligence. I doubt Ahern is getting involved only out of the Goodness of his heart. He see’s something in this for himself.
    I have Nothing against Ahern. This is just how things work. Even someone who appears altruistic is getting something in return. It just may not be obvious to the observer.

    Anyway, Discussing your Issue’s with MFMP probably don’t fit here at ECW any better then politics or religion. Even more so if as Frank pointed out as from just 1 perspective. Everything has more then 1 view.
    As for sour grapes, People who work together having a difference of opinion on how things should be done. The 1 in charge has the final say. Whether we agree or not. If you were in charge, You would agree..

    • Robert Ellefson

      You have almost no idea what you are talking about with these replies. Your conjectures are so far off the mark that you may as well be telling a newly-fabricated story to your make-believe friend. I suggest that if you wish to contribute to the discourse here, that you should stick to topics that you know something about. Failing that, at least pay attention to what information is contained in the threads you are replying to. Insinuating that I joined MFMP so that I could be near Rossi’s “inner circle” is laughable. I don’t expect you to know all the details of all the interactions between various players in this arena over the last few years, but if you are going to stick your nose where it doesn’t belong, then I suggest you do some homework. Failing that, just don’t reply when you have no clue what you are talking about.

      • Omega Z

        I never said anything about you getting near Rossi’s inner circle. That was an example of what others would do without considering consequences of their commitment..

        You said you agreed to silence before you new what you were getting into. You should have made deeper inquiries before agreeing to that. And if not getting those answer, make the decision accordingly. Even then we still make mistakes.

  • Robert Ellefson

    I hope that all of the newcomers to MFMP are given full disclosure of the present status and historical actions of the group. In my experience, bovine scatology transmutation research was the favored pastime of the senior MFMP leadership, which proved to be more than I cared to stomach.

    • Mr. Moho

      Transmutation research? I do not remember that, could you provide an example?

      • Robert Ellefson

        Perhaps the term ‘bovine scatology’ has more meaning in this context than ‘transmutation’ does. It would seem the BS was dominant in the ‘ash’ products.

        • Mr. Moho

          I got that, what I meant was: did they write about this on their website, as I don’t remember reading about glaringly bogus research on ash products from their reactors.

          • Robert Ellefson

            No, they did not write about it directly in their blog. They mostly buried the ash products. I hope my use of metaphor is clear enough to you in this instance. One example ash product would be the Steel and Glass cells. What became of that line of research? I think MFMP donors, at the least, deserve to understand that story in full detail.

            • Mr. Moho

              Ok, now I see, I think. I wonder what happened to those cells too. I remember Nicolas Chauvin of LENR-cars (and a number of other related startups) was in charge testing of them and apparently obtained positive results. No much more information after that. The information stream from the european side of the pond has always been lacking and I have had a hard time following them.

              • Robert Ellefson

                I would say that their communications have been more than “lacking” – they have been deliberately misleading. I hope that the new MFMP members have more luck with installing a sense of ethical integrity in the ‘senior leadership’ than I was able to accomplish.

                • Mr. Moho

                  I don’t know what happened (misleading communications??) and I encourage you talking about it if you didn’t have to sign NDAs, but is my opinion that some (former?) MFMP team members wanted to “enter the LENR market” instead of sharing the knowledge, correct?

                • Robert Ellefson

                  I did not sign an NDA, but I did give equivalent verbal assurances to such effect that I would much rather this story be told by the MFMP than by myself. It is a story that needs to be heard before more good folks find themselves enmeshed in something they did not plan to become involved with, such as I did. Until all such facts are made clear, the MFMP is not able to claim the moral high ground that they aspire to.

                • Mr. Moho

                  Well, that’s unfortunate. I hope Bob Greenyer or somebody else from MFMP (although he seems to be the only person from them currently actively involved) who happens to read this discussion will provide an explanation for that.

                • Robert Ellefson

                  I hope so too, but I would caution you not to hold your breath while waiting.

                • Mr. Moho

                  Then, we could try asking @ecatworld to help facilitating this. I really hope it’s not the case, but if the MFMP is restricting the information flow or engaging in tactical diversion or something else because they want to directly profit from LENR (even though profit per se isn’t against the spirit of open sourceness), then they are not much different than other “players” in the field who for all intents and purposes are delaying the emergence of this technology and deceiving people for their own purposes, as Rossi kind of did in his early E-Cat days (in retrospect he obviously didn’t have anything ready for the market in the timeframe he suggested), out of their greed.

                • Robert Ellefson

                  In my experience, Bob Greenyer will not hesitate to use malicious fabrications to advance his agenda when he sees fit. Therefore, I strongly recommend waiting for the story to come from either Mathieu or the HUG team directly, both of whom I found to be fundamentally inclined to direct honesty in a manner that was notably lacking in Mr. Greenyer.

                • ecatworld

                  I am very uncomfortable with serious charges like this taking place on E-Cat World, especially if they are only from one perspective. I would ask that questions about these suggestions about the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project be directed to the officers of the organization itself, and preferably not on this site.

                • Mr. Moho

                  AFAIK, Ellefson is a former MFMP team member. I recall he was in the process of designing an improved calorimeter for Celani’s active constantan wires. Reading such allegations from him is a bit unsettling and I think it would be in MFMP’s best interest if they came forward clarifying their position. As you’re probably in contact with them as a neutral party and admin of a prominent web site on LENR news, I thought you could help this happening.

                • Robert Ellefson

                  Where would you suggest that such a multiple-“perspective” discussion take place? Surely you don’t mean at quantumheat.com, do you?

                • Omega Z

                  What I would hope people learned from MFMP & still is this.
                  Research in LENR is neither simple or cheap. In Fact, just the opposite. Otherwise, we’d have had this technology more then 5 decades ago…

                  Also I Agree, Even(Especially) if this comes from an Individual from inside MFMP, It doesn’t belong on ECW.
                  Within any group of people, there will always be a few sour grapes. Ego’s can clash. It’s inevitable. Especially when choices & paths diverge.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Wow!!!! Truly great news. This is quite an amazing development. Ahern was on the Krivit website calling Rossi a fraud (back in the day), but Brian Ahern is likely to understand the underlying mechanisms of CF (OOOPS. HIS CAMP ONLY LIKES THE TERM LENR).

    When arguing for the existence of LENR in 2011 Brian Ahern was at the top of my list of sane people who believe in LENR though, and I think he is one of the brightest in the field. His asymmetric magnetism theory on it says this is not a nuclear process, but he is smart enough to have his own theories.

    I wish them the best and am excited that such an intelligent person has joined their team. I have been harsh on MFMP in the past and wish to recant that now. This is exciting news.

    • Mr. Moho

      As far as I remember he mostly obtained erratic low amounts of excess heat and eventually got frustrated with that. Last year’s EPRI report did not seem to show a much different picture of his research status. I do not necessarily see him joining the MFMP as a good sign. Maybe he hopes they will have more luck than he did. By the way, do you remember this?
      http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/06/brian-ahern-getting-8-watts-in-low.html

      • friendlyprogrammer

        If he had already invented LENR, then having him join MFMP might seem obsolete. Your article (I do recall) points out several things.

        He has previously replicated LENR, and also..

        “Brian Ahern received his PhD in material science from MIT, holds 26 patents and was a senior scientist for 17 years in research and development at USAF Rome Lab at Hanscom Air Force Base.”

        I think it is exciting just the same.

        • Omega Z

          As Moho stated, Ahern has had some success, but Ahern also runs into walls.
          Ahern has advocated everyone sharing their knowledge. Ahern has suffered some mishaps that could have been avoided had he been aware of others findings.

          Now, the Sharing all sounds well & fine, but in realty, it doesn’t work so well. Big Ego’s All. They Clash.
          You can bet that all the information shared at the ICCF conferences is dated. Most share only what they have accomplished in the past. Not What or Where their at today.

          As to this being a benefit to MFMP, I see it as a 2 way exchange. Ahern will benefit by being closer to the action. Obtain certain information he may otherwise be unaware or access to that knowledge much quicker. And possibly connect with a financial source.

          Note: There is a definite theme with all these people & organizations. Funding is always in short supply & in spurts. Ahern goes till the money runs out, then goes into pause mode until more money is available which is always an IF.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Since MFMP seems focused on replication over research I am not sure they will have much access to secret tech. Should they fail at replications with the help of Ahern it would likely sully his reputation.

            I think their goals are synonymous in some ways because once DATED LENR techniques are fully replicable to any and all who follow the protocols 99% of the time funding in the field will increase 100 000%. I think any current LENR researcher could demand a golden carriage in wages once the mainstream funding kicks in. Money will not be an “IF” for too many more years.

            Sharing dated knowledge is the goal of MFMP. Everyone runs into walls. Since he has no device to market (yet), this might be a perfect venue for him. Actually; a replicable CF/LENR/Asymmetric Magnetism (his version) KIT might sell to every University/High School/Garage Chemist/Physicist in the world. Even without high COP or power generation, simply proving Pons/Fleischmann effect could be very profitable (just a thought).

            Money in this field will increase more than the 100 000% I stated very quickly if the Pons/Fleischmann effect is replicable to everyone with ease.

            I shall continue to refuse to condemn this partnership as it appears voluntary and a good match.

  • gdaigle

    I am glad that MFMP and Dr. Ahern have teamed up. I am particularly interested in the reported negative hysteresis and the colder-than-ambient temps measured at the transformer (billet) core.

  • Obvious

    The discussion of the active materials staying above room temperature was also mentioned in an attempted replication of a Case cell, where the hydrogen was used as a blank for D2. But the H2 system “blank” remained a constant 4 C above the outside vessel temperature, varying in step with vessel temperature. So the experiment was abandoned or altered because they decided that they could not rely on a blank cell temperature that had such a high bias for the temperature readings. Why they did not change the blank cell gas to neon or nitrogen or something else I don’t know, but this may have been an important mis-step. The theory that D2+D2 = He seems to have overridden the physical result that H2 was doing something. (I am still following up this line of research to see what became of it.)

    “The thermal gradient across the catalyst was much greater and with a fixed ambient temperature, the wall and catalyst temperatures would be quite stable. But something very strange was observed. The slight variation in ambient air temperature seemed to be amplified in the catalyst temperatures. Using ordinary hydrogen in the cell, the ambient temperature would vary by 1°C over twenty-four hours and the catalyst would vary 4°C, tightly correlated with the ambient variation. A 4°C variation in catalyst temperature is unacceptable if we are trying to establish a credible DT excess temperature observed with deuterium over that of protium.”

    http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue25/deviceupdate.html
    (The (non active) hyperlinks included in the article at the above link are NFG, and one is redirecting to something that my security/antivirus blocked).

    The Les Case Cell is a direct forerunner to the Rossi device, and Case himself suggested changing the catalyst to nickel from palladium to reduce costs.

    • GreenWin

      How then does 4C above vessel temp conform to 2nd thermodynamics? Had it been Ar would the delta be zero??

      • Obvious

        Good questions with no ready answers.
        Its seems that some gasses were found to not affect the cell much in small amounts (like up to 1% N), but were not tested as method blanks.

        Following the story along, it seems that equipment failure due to hydrogen embrittlement issues became common in replication attempts, then sonofusion work superceded the Case cell replication attempts (although Kubre supposedly tested some Case cells). Funding for further testing seems to have started drying up off during sonofusion work, at least at Infinite Energy. Some articles were not available on the web from IE issues, so part of the story must be dug up in print.

        • GreenWin

          Obvious, we can then agree that funding (or lack thereof) has gated this work specifically, and IMO, LENR generally. However, I think it reasonable for mainstream science, academia, and practitioners of the scientific method to properly question these data since they do not eliminate the impossible. We should, ” Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Arthur C. Doyle (Dr. of literature – a less pragmatic form of science)

          Sonofusion is an entirely different pursuit. Though, I suspect we will eventually discover that cavitation induces the H2 in water to behave in ways presently described as LENR. Just MO.

    • BroKeeper

      I’m still trying to wrap my head around “Vortex interactions extracting energy via energy
      localization causing ferrite transformer cores to run cold as a result.”

      • Ophelia Rump

        It is inherent in the nature of vortexes that heat is transferred to the outside and the inside is cooler. Hurricanes, Tornadoes, and vortex refrigeration/heating tubes all have this feature of spinning the heat the outside of the vortex.

        I think you would find that the vortex of the sun even has an inner cooler region. The vortex is the closest thing to Maxwell’s Daemon, sorting out the hotter from colder atoms and molecules .

        It may be that LENR is a nano level version of Maxwell’s daemon actually existing.

        The exception where Maxwell himself stated that it would be possible to get more energy out than you put in.

        • BroKeeper

          Thanks OR! It does appear plausible when speaking of Sun vortexes, however the Sun has gas/plasma that moves and transfers heat, not like a catalytic solid. I’m further curious but then again physicists can’t figure how the atom exactly behaves.

      • Omega Z

        On the Lighter Side-
        I’m still trying to wrap my head around “Vortex interactions of my Kids extracting money from my wallet.” :-(

        • BroKeeper

          LOL. How come the bread winner only gets the crumbs?

  • GreenWin

    A strange presentation. Interesting that he claims H2 becomes superconductive in a BEC – not the Ni. Fourteen experiments proving excess heat at mw to 5W range. Then HV pulses. What “burnt out the power supply” to pulse his ferromagnetic powders? Why did he give up? Apparently Arthur Manella fixed the power supply? Put the thing in the trunk of his EV with a billet of barium ferrite? And the battery recharged itself? Any battery gains charge at rest by dissipation of hydrogen build up. Aurora borealis? Preposterous indeed.

    If Brian’s interest lies in magnetic properties perhaps he and MFMP can design an experiment with his nano-powders to a) measure temperature change b) measure resistance/conductivity, when when exposed to variable magnetic field. No direct voltage or electrodes required – just a measured magnetic field.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It’s not the H2 that conducts, but the H+ ions inside the nickel lattice. This is called proton conduction. Maybe that’s the reason why the nickel has to be heated up until it loses its ferromagnetic properties, which would presumably disturb the process. Palladium must not be heated, since it is paramagnetic (just a guess).

      • GreenWin

        Thanks Andreas. So, ferromagnetism inhibits conduction. This suggests that “ambient” magnetism (e.g. Earth’s magnetosphere inhibits LENR – proton conduction in ferromagnetic matter. Paramagnetic metals, or metal hydrides would then exhibit greater conductivity at at room temps.