MIT Cold Fusion Conference Report (NANOR Reportedly 100 COP) [More Updates]

I received this from Barry Simon who attended the Cold Fusion conference being held this weekend at MIT — I will add to this as I get more information from Barry.

Just got home from it. No demos. Francesco Celani signed up last minute, he’s talking tomorrow, but didn’t set up a demo. Mitchell Swartz is reporting 100 COP with the NANOR at 100th of a watt input, making 1 watt output. Will report more tomorrow night

MORE COMMENTS FROM BARRY:

Heading out to day two. Just wanted to mention the University of Missouri is doing great work. For a while they were boiling water with low wattage and mentioned they could heat up a cup of tea for Richard Garwin from the 60 Minutes piece.

It still isn’t stable, but it’s interesting, with 1 watt input the NANOR can produce 3 watts. With 100th of a watt it can obtain 1 watt.

UPDATE, March 22

Thanks to artefact for finding this on Vortex-l

From Vortex by Steve High:
“The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby
Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a void as far as the “kilowatt output” performers are concerned. Celani had two interesting things to say. He’s finding evidence that the fiberglass insulators he’s wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously augment the anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems to be able to
sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more available to the constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely terminated funding for h is CF re search last fall but that an angel jumped in and he’s back in the saddle at least for now”

More from Steve High on Vortex:

First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being represented by a young Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh surface prepped by exposure to plasma discharge. Reactor consists of prepped nickel mesh heated by resistance with pressurized deuterium gas. The device able to measure the composition of gases by atomic number in real time. Results: 1) excess heat as soon as deuterium pumped in ie no loading needed. 2) 75 watts excess heat over thirty five days. 3) gas composition monitored during run (as atomic number): 4 (D 2) progressively decreased 3 (?tritium- they couldn’t say) rose and fell as an intermediate product, 2 (that would be H2 or atomic D) rose as the final product. How does that fit in, smart dudes?

  • Bernie777

    For me, all the comments below reinforces how far Rossi is ahead in this race.

  • greggoble

    ?tritium- they couldn’t say) rose and fell as an intermediate product, 2 (that would be H2 or atomic D) rose as the final product. How does that fit in, smart dudes?

    I’ve wondered what with three sates of hydrogen, one radioactive, and then possible hydrinos, along with metallic states of hydrogen, all in the electron cloud of a metalic lattice…. whats going on? Tritium, when it undergoes rapid decay in such an environment, adds to the energetic in interesting ways, then quickly disappears. Rise and fall may then be expected under changing conditions within the lattice. Could the transmutation of tritium, to deuterium, to protium create a neutron cascade which contributes to fusion/transmutation, hydrino capture, surface plasmarons, and LENR nuclear effects?

    Pondersome ponderings might just lighten things up a bit. Quite a bit.

    Metallic Hydrogen http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/2260/20130604/new-solid-form-hydrogen-discovered-extreme-pressures.htm

    Hydrogen Allotropy
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    allotropy (lŏ´trpē) [Gr.,=other form]. A chemical element is said to exhibit allotropy when it occurs in two or more forms in the same physical state; the forms are called allotropes. Allotropes generally differ in physical properties such as color and hardness; they may also differ in molecular structure or chemical activity, but are usually alike in most chemical properties. Diamond and graphite are two allotropes of the element carbon. Many metals have allotropic crystalline forms that are stable at different temperatures.
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    Atmospheric hydrogen is a mixture of three allotropic isotopes.
    .
    The most common is called protium. In the isotope of protium the nucleus is a proton.
    .
    A second isotope of hydrogen is deuterium. The deuterium nucleus is called the deuteron; it consists of a proton plus a neutron.
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    The two isotopes are found in atmospheric hydrogen in the proportion of about 1 atom of deuterium to every 6,700 atoms of protium.
    .
    Tritium is the third hydrogen isotope. It is a radioactive gas with a half-life of about 121⁄4 years. It is produced in nuclear reactions and occurs, to a very limited extent, in atmospheric hydrogen. The tritium nucleus is called the triton; it consists of a proton plus two neutrons.
    .
    The Hydrogen? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_protons_neutrons_and_electrons_in_a_protium_atom
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    Protium: 1proton(P), 0 neutrons (N) and 1 electron (E)
    Deuterium: 1(P), 1(N) and 1 (E)
    Tritium: 1 (P), 2 (N) and 1 (E)
    .
    Besides being a mixture of three isotopes, hydrogen is a mixture of two forms, an ortho form and a para form, which differ in their electronic and nuclear spins. At room temperature atmospheric hydrogen is about 3⁄4 ortho-hydrogen and 1⁄4 para-hydrogen.

    Send the ensuing magnetic bipole moments into the equation.
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    Then there are neutron, proton, and nucleon cascades.
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    This places a complex of events, on the cold fusion (LENR) energetics scenarios.
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    1952
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    Cascade Theories with Ionization Loss – Phys. Rev. 87, 759 – Published 1 September 1952
    http://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.87.759
    .
    H. Messel and R. B. Potts
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    Abstract
    .
    Analytical solutions have previously been given for the number distribution functions and for the general moments of the electron-photon and nucleon cascades neglecting ionization losses (approximation A). Solutions are now given for the moments of the electron-photon and proton-neutron cascades taking into account energy loss, via ionization, by electrons and protons (approximation B).
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    The diffusion equations for the differential moment functions, which yield the required factorial moments by a simple integration over the energy variables, are transformed by Laplace-Mellin transforms to matrix recurrence relations, the general solution of which is obtained in the form of power series.
    .
    From these series, solutions for the moments in a form suitable for numerical calculations are obtained by a generalization of the method used by Bhabha and Chakrabarty for the first moments of the electron-photon cascade and by Messel in the proton-neutron cascade. To a first approximation, the solutions for the moments in approximation B are expressed as a correction factor multiplying the solutions obtained in approximation A.
    .
    Cascade Detector? Not related? http://n-cdt.com/products/cascade-detector-systems/
    .
    Perhaps related… OR Not?

    http://www.lbl.gov/ttd/techs/lbnl1764.html

    Compact Neutron Generators

    IB-1764

    OVERVIEW:

    Scientists at Berkeley Lab have developed innovative neutron generators that can be tailored to meet a variety of specifications. The generators invented by Ka-Ngo Leung and colleagues are unusual because they are compact, designed to be long-lasting and inexpensive to construct yet capable of using safe deuterium-deuterium reactions to produce a high neutron yield or flux. They can also be designed to use tritium-tritium reactions to generate neutrons across a broad energy spectrum or deuterium – tritium reactions to produce higher energy neutrons.

    Neutron generators like these can significantly enhance homeland security. X-ray imaging systems widely used in most airports and cargo inspection stations reveal object shapes and detect metals. Neutron-based techniques, however, are materials specific – they can be used to identify the elemental compositions of shipping and luggage content. Fissile materials, as well as conventional and plastic explosives, can be detected using neutron sources.

    The Berkeley Lab neutron generators consist of RF-driven plasma ion sources, extractors of various designs, acceleration electrodes, and titanium covered targets. Conventional generators are usually short-lived because the target’s isotopes are quickly consumed. The target in the Berkeley Lab generators, however, is constantly replenished by ions from the plasma source. These devices may last thousands of hours longer than conventional generators.

    The Berkeley Lab portfolio includes a multiple beam system for imaging luggage, small neutron tubes for oil well logging while drilling (LWD), as well as designs suitable for cargo interrogation, tumor therapy, and structural inspection. Because neutron generators can be used for imaging and interrogating so many materials, the applications listed for each invention are not exhaustive.

    Abstract:

    Dr. Leung has developed a compact spherical neutron generator that can use safe deuterium-deuterium (D-D) instead of radioactive deuterium-tritium (D-T) or tritium-tritium (T-T) reactions, and still provide a high neutron flux. This generator is designed with a small, spherical shell-shaped RF-driven plasma ion source surrounding a multihole extraction electrode which in turn surrounds a spherical target. Ions passing through the holes in the extraction electrode are focused onto the target, which is loaded with D or T by the impinging ion beam. Neutrons are emitted at all angles from the spherical generator.

    STATUS: U.S Patent #7,139,349. Available for licensing or collaborative research

  • Fortyniner

    I assume that the field concerned in this case is a simple static field generated by a permanent magnet, but it seems likely that this is closely linked to observations of self-generated fields when some designs of reactor are working, and to stimulation by oscillating EM fields of one kind or another, including RF and microwave ‘drivers’.

    Magnetism seems to be a huge and obvious key to investigating these phenomena, and ‘proper’ research may not only show how it can be used optimally to manage the process, but may well also further our understanding of magnetism itself, which at the moment can only be described empirically at all scales.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      According to Günter Krieg, the Rossi effect is partly based on the different magnetic properties of nickel and copper (ferromagnetic vs. diamagnetic). John Hadjichristos from Defkalion has stressed the fact that the nickel must be heated up to its Curie temperature in order to initiate the reaction. Maybe both Rossi and Defkalion utilize some kind of ‘oscillation’ between magnetic states. The question is how you could apply this concept to systems which are based on (paramagnetic) palladium.

      • Fortyniner

        At one time the website for the GEC ‘GeNiE’ CF neutron source described the palladium-based core as being driven by microwave input. This information was removed quite quickly, presumably because it was considered to be commercially sensitive.

    • Robert Ellefson

      The field he applied in the latest experiments was a high-intensity (2T) pulsed field with particular frequencies and duty cycles described in his talk. After exposure to this high-intensity field, the durable modification to the COP behavior became evident, as compared to the effects following exposure to a low-intesity, static field, as described in his previous work.

  • bachcole

    It could very well be that Rossi has already figured out this magnetic business, but this really illustrates out valuable it will be when we get more people and more funding on LENR+.

  • Frechette

    Charles Beaudette gave an interesting talk at the MIT Colloquium this afternoon. He focused on the incompetence of science reporters as well as skeptics among mainstream scientists in the LENR drama. After his presentation someone in the audience suggested that certifying an E-cat should be relatively straight forward since mainstream science claims the heat effect is not nuclear in nature. In that case no long drawn out testing required. That’s turning the tables on them. Beaudette also warned the LENR community that there would be a lot of push back from the Greens.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      too bad I could not be there…
      I share his views.

      I even think, and it have started that even evidence would not convince the deniers.

      they already prepare to critic the fact that two PCE-850 are used instead of two different models…

      they obey the hyper-critical (this term is only seen in French, is there an english equivalent) method, to change target all the time so that it is impossible to fulfill their demands. they focus on details to contaminate all the credibility of all without any real logic.

    • Gerard McEk

      “…push back from the Greens” Why would that be? What on Earth would be wrong with CF? Some small radiation inside the device? If they would rally start to oppose CF when it breaks through, then they will lose all the credit.

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        Today most outspoken and organized greens are doomers, malthusians, luddites.
        Environmentalist were not so in the 70s (some greenpeace founders get furious of the change which happened about the fall of Berlin Wall, Climate Change creation, LENr denial).

        Luddites, Doomers, Malthusians will hate that Cornucopian revolution, clean energy allowing immoral growth of the economy without the planned doomsday.

        many parasites of those doomsday theory, the salesmen of fear, the preacher of apocalypse, (term from a book), have invested trillions in those theories.
        Hot fusion money is pocket money compared to the trillion (2trillion committed for next 20 years in Germany alone) invested in solar, wind, CO2,smartgrid, industry… LENR will kill them more surely than it will kill oil and gas.
        NGO are very rich (few billion today for the 3 top green NGO), and they will be ridiculed and defunded.
        most of current science adapted to AGW theory, which whether true or false will be uninteresting when CO2 energy will be abandoned for cheaper and cleaner LENR.

        LENR is disruptive for the green and their morality-industrial complex.

        • Omega Z

          Many of the Greens would lose their Job Security.
          Along with all their perks.

        • Gerard McEk

          Interesting thoughts Alain! I learned also some new words I am not familiar with: Malthusians, Luddities and Cornucopian. I keep on educating myself.

          • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

            don’t joke me… I learned those word on specialized sites… Not sure it is so common in English (In french only Malthusian is common)…
            however the ideas are very important to understand current ideology battle.

        • GreenWin

          Militant “Greens” are not environmentalists or conservationists. They are preachers of FEAR. Their invention of AGW/CO2 pollution is critical to their agenda. Without AGW/CO2 they have no “enemy.” Without an enemy, fear of superstorms, ocean acidification, rising tides, etc. – they cannot bamboozle politicians & sheeple to pay for carbon use. LENR creates abundance. The NWO/MilGreens/Malthusians etc. hate abundance.

        • Alain Samoun

          “Hot fusion money is pocket money compared to the trillion (2trillion
          committed for next 20 years in Germany alone) invested in solar, wind,
          CO2,smartgrid, industry… LENR will kill them more surely than it will
          kill oil and gas.”
          Little omission on your list of future industrial doomsday: Nuclear fission industry.
          Alain Is that because your country is the biggest user of it? I personally congratulate Germany for having the courage and the great insight to stop the development of that industry,I wish France will do the same before a french Fukushima happens.

          • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

            nuclear industry is funding AGW story too.
            anyway it is small compared to the others.

            i appreciace their lignite mines and coal powerplants when I have problem to breath.
            I also appreciate when france have to buy gas powerplant and slow nuke, to swallow wind/solar energy we are forced to buy, and backup it quickly when if fall.

            this is big money and we lose. coal smoke and solar subsidies have won.

      • Frechette

        The Greens want to restrict the amount of energy consumers use. It has nothing to do with
        climate change. If clean cheap energy becomes widely available the Greens will fight it tooth and nail to keep it from consumers..

  • Obvious

    “Stricken” doesn’t seem very harsh to me, although it is a homonym.
    One can’t easily remove something from a previously printed list, so it is crossed out, or struck from a list.

    http://www.memidex.com/stricken-off

  • artefact

    From Vortex by Steve High:
    “The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby
    Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously
    Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a void
    as far as the “kilowatt output” performers are concerned. Celani had two
    interesting things to say. He’s finding evidence that the fiberglass insulators
    he’s wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously augment the
    anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems to be able to
    sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more available to the
    constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely terminated funding for
    his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in and he’s back in the
    saddle at least for now”

    • deleo77

      And he added the post below, which sounds interesting as well:

      First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being represented by a young
      Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh surface prepped by exposure to
      plasma discharge. Reactor consists of prepped nickel mesh heated by resistance
      with pressurized deuterium gas. The device able to measure the composition of
      gases by atomic number in real time. Results: 1) excess heat as soon as
      deuterium pumped in ie no loading needed. 2) 75 watts excess heat over thirty
      five days. 3) gas composition monitored during run (as atomic number): 4 (D 2)
      progressively decreased 3 (?tritium- they couldn’t say) rose and fell as an
      intermediate product, 2 (that would be H2 or atomic D) rose as the final
      product.

      • Bob Greenyer

        This is very important results.

        • Mr. Moho

          It looks like you might actually want to use deuterium instead of hydrogen — instant results, apparently!

          • Bob Greenyer

            The way he is doing the treatment is not trivial.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Oppenheimer-Phillips process (stripping reaction)?
        H(2) + H(2) > H(3) + H(1) 4.0 MeV

        • Alan DeAngelis

          H(3) is tritium H(2) is deuterium

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Perhaps the tritium disappears by the following mechanism.
            H(3) + Ni(58) > H(2) + Ni(59) 2.74 MeV

            H(3) + Ni(60) > H(2) + Ni(61) 1.56 MeV
            H(3) + Ni(61) > H(2) + Ni(62) 4.34 MeV
            H(3) + Ni(62) > H(2) + Ni(63) 0.58 MeV

  • jousterusa

    Why would there be a COP of 100 with 1/1ooth of a watt, and only of 3 with 1 watt?

    • Mr. Moho

      Efficiency curves, I would guess. Integrated circuits also somewhat behave like that.

    • Bertuswonkel

      Have you watched the MIT lectures? He explained that there are optimal operating points.

    • Sandy

      If nano-magnetism is involved in LENR then perhaps too much electric current can interfere with the nano-magnetic process that cause LENR.

    • Barry8

      It gets worse. 3 watts input- 3 watts output. The NANORs are most efficient at low wattage. It think for some strange reason it has to do with the spacing of the palladium in the zirconium.

      • rolando

        So Rossi is still 1 in this race

  • Gerard McEk

    You need an awfully sensitive calorimeter to to measure power levels of 1 watt. These power levels do not impress the most of the people in this world. Strange that the COP drops so dramatically when the input power increases. I hope to see a graph showing P(input) vs COP. Can it be an influence of the skin effect?

    • Mr. Moho

      1 watt is enough to heat a limited surface (a few square centimeters) to temperatures that would be rather warm to the touch. You don’t need a very sensitive calorimeter to measure that.

      • Gerard McEk

        You would need a special tiny calorimeter, which is quite difficult to construct as e.g. leads of the Nanor may cause a relatively high temperature loss. Also an accurate temperature measurement, which is needed with these small powers is not a piece of cake. Finally you want to ensure a nearly perfect temperature distribution within the calorimeter, which requires a near to perfect thermal insulation. Without any doubt Mitchell Swartz has constructed this during the past 25 years, but those who want to perform their own tests on their Nanor will wait a long and time consuming period of constructing such a calorimeter.

        • MasterBlaster7

          He uses flow calorimetery among other things. Works just fine with small stuff.

    • Barry8

      They test the readouts with only the input current which is quite consistent. Then they up the power two or three times for accuracy then they test the CF devise.

    • Warthog

      “You need an awfully sensitive calorimeter to to measure power levels of 1 watt.”
      Not at all true. You need a sensitive calorimeter to measure MICROWATTS. milliwatts and watts are very simple to measure. I posted a link to a website upthread that lays out a “science project” heat detector that can easily measure milliwatts. I think the COP drop is not news…Swartz has noted this performance on other NANORS, I think at last years colloquium.

    • Frechette

      Skin effect is only a problem with high frequency A.C. These devices are operating with D.C. input power.

    • Allan Shura

      A given amount of power could be the saturation level under a set of conditions. In an ordinary IC engine
      (a tired analogy) an improper mix of air, spark, timing and fuel purity results in effects from unburned fuel
      to the engine not functioning at all.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Reading the comments but one thing is missing….
    Nobody has thanked Barry yet for once again keeping track of developments for us not able to get to the meeting. So, Thanks Barry! You are awesome!
    Looking forward for some more reporting on the event.

    • Barry8

      Thanks Bertuswonkel. Jeremy Rys is recording the entire event plus he promises a summary report like he did for the MIT CF class. I was impressed by his knowledge of CF. Ruby Carat was there too taping many interviews. They should be out this week.

  • Kim

    I have been watching this new fire develop for about 5 years now.

    I keep getting this image of cavemen all huttled in the corner scare, and
    frightened looking for consensus among them self’s, yet to frightened to
    move toward the new fire created in the cave ect….

    Yet in the modern sense the fear is reated to money and economics.

    Its a shame

    Respect
    Kim

  • Ophelia Rump

    A question to bring to the conference. Can the nanor technology can be scaled up, what are the limits to increasing the size?

    • BroKeeper

      I wish Mitchell Swartz could team up with Andrea Rossi to fill application gaps within power ranges from mw to MWs. They appear to have similar operational concepts on different scales.

      • Mr. Moho

        Why keep the science proprietary? Once LENRs become mainstream, we will be flooded by LENR appliances of all scales.

        • BroKeeper

          Yes ideally, but it appears Swartz needs the financial/facility advantage Rossi has through IH to progress further.

        • Obvious

          Remember Rossi’s story about the seagulls watching another one hunting for a fish, then they all swoop in to eat the prize of the one that did the work when a fish is finally caught.

      • jousterusa

        I wish Rossi, Mills, McKubre, Swartz and Hagelstein would all get together and work jointly on their projects, like United Artists brought five producers and directors together. Scientists sometimes have huge egos, I guess they all want credit for a big breakthrough if it comes. I think that phenomenon is even more pronounced among inventors. Teamwork and cooperation would devastate the “fossilized” opposition. They’d have to send someone in to generate animosity and break them up.

        • Barry8

          McKubre, Swartz and Hagelstein share their findings. Rossi and Mills were invited to the Colloquium but declined.

    • Job001

      The biggest limitation is temperature control by heat transfer. Even similar size 1/4 watt resistors get hot and burn the finger. Resistors scale up to 1000+ watts with increasing size given gas cooling.
      IMO, it’s fairly easy to scale up, given one follows the need to keep temperature under control and provides adequate cooling. Ignoring heat transfer science has caused many unnecessary terminated experiments where the nanor or catalyst or LENR material has deactivated itself by overheating, sometimes dramatically.

    • Barry8

      Yes they can, but right now they are super expen$ive. George Miley is making what he called “Big NANORS.” with gains of 12 cop, though not consistent. He’s working on a home unit. With funding he said he could have a product on the market in two years. That’s only 28 years before the Tokamak should be up and running as projected. MIT just got $20 million for that.

  • Mr. Moho

    So, when will NANORs become available for independent testing?
    1W output is not much, but 10 mW input is small enough to make it way above noise, if verified.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Interesting news. Still, i think we need to be conservative. This still is a Swartz says statement. Not that i don’t trust him but i would like to see some independent verification. There is always the chance that he could be making a mistake, happens to the best of us.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We keep asking and his group says “we are high up on their list”, in the mean time, we’ll get on with other things.

      • Bertuswonkel

        Good. I have watched his MIT lectures from this year. I did get the impressing he is a honest man and clearly knows a lot about doing experiments. He said he just recently had more than 1 experiment and they are not easy to make. So not very surprising that it might take a while for him to get the production going. Patience is a virtue.

      • Barry8

        Hi Bob, Most of his energy has gone into the Colloquium. Just be prepared to pay $$$.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Fully appreciated. As said before, we’d like to go one step further in the LOS approach to this experiment and allow people to remotely test the NANOR, with all able to view. So, people could book a slot with their Facebook/Google ID or make a profile and then test the NANOR within defined parameters and gather live data.

    • bachcole

      One thing is for sure, you and I might trust him, but the honest and decent skeptic is not going to trust him without independent verification.

    • Bernie777

      We need a product I can buy at Home Depot

      • Bertuswonkel

        I don’t agree. That will not happen for a long time. As Rossi stated, certification for consumer use is difficult. You need long term data that it is save to use.

        I had email contact with mr. Swartz and i am on the pre-order list for a device. As I told him, products are not that important, what is important that people start to take it seriously. It still is in the fundamental research phase but if it is generally accepted that it is legitimate research things will start to move to product development a lot faster.

        • Bernie777

          The skeptics will howl until someone makes or saves money using an LENR reactor.

    • Frechette

      Dr. Swartz protocol measures heat output using three independent methods. These reduces the possibility of making a systematic error which would corrupt the data.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Imagine a life vest or wet suit that kept you warm in the sea from a simple low power bi-metallic reaction with sea water driving a web of embedded nanors. Or cold weather clothing for mountain hiking or general use that did something similar from a small rechargeable cell in combination with a woven in modern flexible solar cell. These are markets this product is potentially ready for now and could be very high value.

    • Steve H

      Also geo-textile laden with Nanors could be used for under floor heating in well insulated homes. These concepts are obviously subject to the unit cost of mass produced Nanors and an assumption that parallel wiring can be integrated at very low mass.

  • Curbina

    I think that beyond the practical applications, a COP of 100 is way above noise to be discarded as measurement error, hence, it’s huge news, LENR validating wise. I think this could be the way that the world finally is forced to aknowledge LENR is a reality, without a shade of a doubt.

    Now, put 1000 Nanors together (input 10 W, output 1000 W) and there we have the platform for practical applications demonstration. I understand that Nanors are not easy to build, anyway, at least for the moment, so puting 1000 Nanors together is a challenge on its own.

    • Manuel Cruz

      Not so fast, a COP of 100, specially when both input and output are so small, doesn’t magically prevent the measures to be affected by noise.
      It can also be that the COP is real, but the effect cannot be serialized or scaled up, effectively making it useless. I know several compression algorithms that look miraculous but are useless in practice by that reason.

      • Mr. Moho

        I think the main advantage of these small devices would be demonstrating LENR to the skeptical mainstream scientific community, not having a usable product. Once that happens, a worldwide research effort on LENR will finally start and from there things will progress very quickly.

        My impression however is that succesful researchers/inventors involved with LENR do not want this to happen because they would lose control and benefits. I hope I’m wrong in this case.

      • MMK

        1W output is not small by any mean. Imagine a mobile phone with its on board power plant that lasts for months between recharge. The micro electronic world would change on an unimaginable scale.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Not so fast, yourself. How can this not be serialized?

        If it produces current, current is additive in parallel. Voltage is additive in series. Once the electricity has left the nanor, it is just plain old electricity.

      • Curbina

        I never said it was already done, a proper protocol to weed out sources of noise and, of course, the control experiments, are an absolute must. I really don’t understand people that like to point out the obvious things.

  • Jonnyb

    Could daisy chain them all, shame it is only heat at the moment. I think M.I.T. has been cleaver here not looking at the crowed power generation LENR market but the micro world. Need MIT to tell the world that they were wrong many years ago, and the the effect is real.

  • Gerard McEk

    The Nanor is improving rapidly. That is a good sign! Obviously does Dr. Swartz now better understand the Cold Fusion process. I like to hear the temperature levels and if it can be used for any practical purpose or only for scientists to study Cold Fusion.

  • jonnyb

    10mW to 1W is pretty good, how long does it last? If years then could embedded it in chips to reduce power consumption. Thus could really help the electronics industry, mobile phones, laptops etc.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      The energy is released as heat; therefore you could not use it to power electronic devices. Thermoelectric generation would be an option, but producing electricity directly from LENR looks much more promising. I hope that companies like STMicroelectronics are already investigating this subject, so that we might see the first self-powered chips in ten years or so.

      • jonnyb

        One use would be to put it in Black Box Flight recorders so if they are in cold areas where the battery life is reduced by half it could heat it up and extend the life considerably.