US Utility CEO: ‘How Do We Get Rid of the Grid?’

Thanks to Greenwin for finding a very interesting article published by US News and World Report in which David Crane, president and CEO of NRG Energy, an electric utility that operates in 11 US States, discusses the future of the electric grid.

Crane is of the opinion that the grid as we know it is rapidly becoming an obsolete idea as new technologies are coming along rapidly that allow for point-of-use electricity generation, such as solar and wind installations. Next year NRG itself will be rolling out a microgenerator called the Beacon 10 (a Dean Kamen Stirling engine-based invention) which allows a house to power itself on natural gas.– producing heat as well as electricity.

Speaking at an ARPA-E conference last week, Crane said, “There will come a day, in a generation or so, when the grid is at best an antiquated system to a completely different way of buying electricity . . . Everyone just stop a moment and think how shockingly stupid it is to build a 21st-century electric system based on a system of 130 million wooden poles . . . Stop trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, and start talking about, ‘How do we get rid of the grid?'”

The article quotes a number of energy leaders, some of whom don’t see the grid disappearing as quickly as within a generation, citing the vast economies of scale that can be obtained by having centralized power generation and distribution — but most seem to realize that there is an inevitable trend towards decentralized energy production.

LENR is unsurprisingly not mentioned as a force in the distributed energy field, but I would think that once LENR is recognized as being a viable and reliable source of energy that inventors like Dean Kamen will immediately recognize the potential for home power generation with the E-Cat as a power source. I’d like to think that maybe the Beacon 11 would be the LENR version of Kamen’s microgenerator!

I read the recent General Electric publication, ‘The Rise of Distributed Power’ on distributed energy production with a great deal of interest. It stated that the age of centralized power is on the wane, and the world is actually going back to the model that was established by Edison in the early days of power generation when all electric was produced locally — and GE was a major player. That report concludes:

After decades of both technology progress and future promise, distributed power is now poised for growth across the globe. Technology innovations have reduced the cost of distributed power technologies while increasing its flexibility and performance. The digital wave and the “Industrial Internet” promise to enhance the capability of distributed power systems. At the same time, distributed power systems are positioned to overcome barriers that are inhibiting the growth of large-scale power plants. There is a strong need for energy solutions across the
globe, and by meeting this need, distributed power has become part of a virtuous cycle of human and economic development.

I think LENR may hit the market at a time where it can really capitalize on the developments taking place in the energy industry and move the world closer to a distributed energy model.

  • Mr. Moho

    Rossi revised a comment related to this blog post. Emphasis on the changes mine:
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=841&cpage=4#comment-927634

    Andrea Rossi
    March 20th, 2014 at 3:39 AM

    Frank Acland:
    Very interesting, thank you, maybe when we will be able to produce
    electric power the decentralization will amplify the role of the E-Cats.

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • ecatworld

      Hi Mr. M — I was not aware that this had been revised. Do you know what the earlier version of the comment was?

      Thanks!

      • Mr. Moho

        It got revised literally minutes before I posted my previous message here.
        The earlier version was exactly the same as the one I quoted, minus the bolded part.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It’s clear what he means. Decentralized units will be able to replace large power plants only if they can produce both heat and electricity. Heat is undoubtedly useful, but electricity you need anyway.

  • GreenWin

    Roger, don’t be too hard on Dr Mills. He may function as a catalyst, a “thought provocateur” whose divine mission is to inspire others. I find him wonderfully inspired and original!

  • jousterusa

    With my apologies, and asking for your indulgence, here is the article that our Perl script won’t let me publish:

    WHO WILL TELL THE GREAT SECRET?
    by Joe Shea
    American Reporter Correspondent

    BRADENTON, Fla., March 19, 2014 — From
    Forbes Magazine to Foreign Policy Journal, from Wired Magazine to the
    Washington Post CrowdBlog, from “60 Minutes” to “Motley
    Fool,” from NASA to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the word about the renewed
    discoveries of cold fusion and the hydrino and how they may change our lives
    have been working their way toward the mainstream press and the
    consciousness of the American public.

    Scroll down the American Reporter homepage
    and you can see a list of dozens of organizations, websites and publications
    that have already spread the word that has yet to reach the man in the street.

    But which will be the first major mainstream
    daily newspaper, wire service or broadcast news organization to break the news
    to its readers of fuel and energy sources that will utterly transform the world
    within this generation?

    It won’t be the Associated Press – for
    many reasons – or the New York Times or Los Angeles
    Times
    , because they thought they were burned so badly when
    incompetent studies at MIT shot down their first enthusiastic stories in 1989 –
    and it won’t be the pathologically skeptical editors at the venerable American
    Physics Journal, because their unshakable faith in the infallibility of quantum mechanics
    will not allow them to accept important new theories based on the Maxwellian classical
    mechanics theory that apparently underlies much of the new research.

    As each stage of independent duplication and
    verification of lab-based discoveries, and also a series of not-so-independent
    product studies, the paper whose readers will be most deeply impacted,
    The Wall Street Journal, has been absent. So have the
    major Texas-based papers, the Dallas Morning News, the Austin Statesman and the
    Houston Chronicle, whose oil-based economy will be so devastated by the news.

    Among the pantheon of radio broadcasters,
    neither Rush nor O’Reilly, neither Levin nor Cunningham, neither Beck nor
    Schnitt have dared to breach the mainstream silence.

    On top-rated national radio, only the spunky and quirky “Coast to Coast
    AM has dared to even touch the subject. You won’t read about it on Slate,
    Salon or the Huffington Post, but it’s been around for years in the low-rent
    environs of The American Reporter.

    While CBS did break a small part of the story via “60 Minutes,” the major
    6:30pm evening newscasts of ABC, CBS and NBC
    have not told their viewers yet. Neither has Fox, on cable or at its affiliates, ever managed
    to break its Obama-obsessed newscasts with one of those faux “Breaking News”
    reports.

    CNN has done a single story on the hydrino
    reactor’s potential, but that was several years ago. Recently, one of my
    own stories for CNN’s iReport got more than 19,000 reads, but when I contacted
    a producer about the story, he immediately altered the reader count – as I
    watched – down to a few hundred, presuming that somehow the readership was
    faked, which it was not.

    In fact, at least five busy websites are
    dedicated to this new science, and tens of thousands of readers check out the
    latest news every day. E-catworld, Cold Fusion Now and the little-known
    Journal of Nuclear Physics are swamped with readers and comments, so many that
    their volunteer editors are often hard-pressed to keep up with them all.

    NASA bravely made a video at its Langley
    Research Institute featuring Dr. Joseph Zawodney, one of its top researchers,
    and it has a substantial group of scientists dedicated to design of a future
    aircraft based on cold fusion/LENR principles; pressure from the “hot” fusion
    industry forced Zawodney to revise his video, but the original has remained
    available on NASA’s website. NASA has
    also commissioned a rocket propulsion design based on the hydrino reactor.

    Both the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency
    and Great Britain’s Ministry of Defence have issued weighty reports on what the
    new energy sources will mean for the world’s economy. The latter warned
    Vladimir Putin last year that his country’s dependence on oil revenues will be
    devastated by LENR. The first commercially available E-Cat cold fusion reactor
    was sold to the U.S. military.

    The absence of any information at all about
    this new science in the New York Times is worrisome,
    though. As a reader and subscriber to
    the Times off and on for decades, I have begun to wonder how
    much my favorite newspaper can really be trusted if it ignores so much evidence
    of something truly important to Earth’s future.

    After all, these new energy sources are
    non-polluting, cheap, don’t emit radiation, and ultimately make it possible for
    homes to go off the grid forever and poor and rich alike to save thousands of
    dollars a year on heating bills and gasoline – and yet it covers the missing
    Malaysian airliner and the IRS non-scandal in exhausting depth.

    What are we to make of it? Is it
    possible that the Times is secretly the puppet of fossil
    fuel giants that financially dwarf it? Is it possible The Wall Street
    Journal’s readers are not quite so important to them as the economic interests
    of the energy companies that rule the world with their oil and gas
    cartels? I am slow to believe that, but is it becoming obvious
    anyway?

    Are we on the verge of Snowden-sized
    revelations, not about the NSA, or Assange-style exposés not about our nation’s
    diplomacy, but instead about those who control the major sources of the world’s
    supposedly objective information? Are they ultimately controlled by
    social engineers and supercomputers in Washington that prevent them from
    publishing anything that is too “disruptive?”

    When the Associated Press sent a reporter
    all the way from New York to Bologna, Italy, to cover a significant cold fusion
    demonstration, it refused to allow their reporter to publish his story, and
    until photos of him at the demonstration appeared, it even hinted he wasn’t
    there. The wire service has refused to explain why. They are the source of news
    for some 1,500 daily newspapers, all of them currently deprived of news crucial
    to our visions of the future.

    I hope that corruption is not the cause. I
    hope these otherwise honorable news organizations are just too insulated and isolated,
    too self-referential to take notice of things that some mainstream scientists
    frankly acknowledge as “miracles.”

    One of those, Robert Duncan, the academic
    dean of the University of Missouri and a cold fusion skeptic, found himself
    agape at the evidence of overunity – more power output than power input – cold
    fusion occurring in the Israeli labs of a company called Energetics, and soon
    accepted a $5-million gift from a retail clothing billionaire to allow the
    college to study the phenomenon. Unfortunately, Duncan was gone in months,
    still promising to further the work but not heard from again.

    Professor Peter Hegelstein and Dr. Mitchell
    Swartz of MIT, the college that had so much to do with cutting down the first
    blossoms of cold fusion, have been demonstrating a small, working cold fusion
    device in their labs at MIT for months, albeit under intense academic criticism
    and stoic media silence.

    At the University of Illinois, Dr. George
    Miley has published and demonstrated several important, groundbreaking stories
    on cold fusion, but Miley is still of far less interest to the major press than
    that other Miley, the butt-bumping one with her tongue hanging out.

    Harvard? Princeton? Forget about it. The Harvard/Smithsonian Center for
    Astrophysics, the pinnacle of spectroscopic science, verified the hydrino
    theory of Dr. Randell Mills, but the college shut up about it. Princeton’s bread is buttered by billions
    spent on fruitless “hot” fusion research, and even Rep. Rush Holt, the quantum
    physicist who represents both Princeton and Mills’ Cranbury, N.J.-based
    BlackLight Power in Congress, has failed to make mention of the hydrino
    discovery.

    It is the hope of many that in the end,
    whether major media come along or not, cold fusion will go beyond the industrial-sized
    products now in the works or on sale and in service – like Andrea Rossi’s
    Energy Catalyzer – and allow us to slough off the open and hidden costs of
    fossil fuel from our backs like scabs from a minor bicycle accident.

    If I was going to guess, I’d put my money
    one of two wire services as the organization most likely to break the news of
    an authentic energy revolution. It would be Reuters, I believe, which I
    have seen break stories ignored by the AP and the rest of the press, sometimes
    at a risk to its reputation but always accurately, that other outlets have
    avoided.

    The other, which has also always been
    fairly courageous, is Bloomberg News Service, a source I have never known to
    back away from difficult truths and whose owner, former New York City Mayor
    Michael Bloomberg, has the deep pockets to resist attacks from the oil giants.
    Bloomberg, though, doesn’t have the daily newspaper presence to generate the
    kind of excitement that Reuters would. It could also be New York’s Village
    Voice, which covered Mills all the way back in 1991.

    Will I be right about Reuters, Bloomberg or
    the Voice? As genuinely independent verification studies conclude shortly
    on Rossi’s Energy Catalyzer, hundreds of thousands of people around the world
    are watching, quietly; I certainly am.

    Soon, we will know the truth.

    Joe Shea is Editor-in-Chief of The American Reporter.

    Contact him at [email protected].

    • Buck

      +1

    • GreenWin

      Joe, a really well constructed piece. You raise very interesting points. Remember though that prior to the SPAWAR-inspired blackout, Bloomberg, MSNBC, others did cover the Rossi demos in 2011. I think it was the Fox reporter who called SPAWAR to verify the presence of a SPAWAR official at Rossi’s Oct 2011 demo – that precipitated the blackout.

      As for WHO will be first to break the silence, a little story. Ages ago as a teen, I had a floor sweep job at a local radio station. I loved it. Watching how a single physical point connected by technical wizardry spoke to thousands or hundreds of thousands of people revealed the power of media. One of my favorite break-times was to hang at the Reuters teletype machine. Teletype was a printer that spit out reams of news service copy about almost anything the service considered news. Reuters (est UK 1851) was the offbeat place for Continent copy about an Italian farmer whose truck full of tomatoes rolled over in Turin causing a 6 hour traffic delay. It was contact with another world.

      For me, the Reuters teletype machine was news not about big shots, politicians, wise guys or celebrities. It was about the little things and little people in life; the daily, seemingly small triumphs and tragedies. Because Reuters was UK-European-based, it was, for a kid in New England, wonderfully exotic, and foreign. It taught me that life anywhere on the planet can be sacred, difficult, and comedic.

      I hope you are correct suggesting Reuters may be first to break rank and deliver the good LENR news. But if they are not – no matter. The News is all that matters. And if that News is transmitted by no more sophisticated network than word of mouth – it will be good. The Truth, IMO, needs no conduit other than human spirit… and love.

      Thanks Joe!

      • jousterusa

        I am very moved by your eloquent and thoughtful reply…

    • ecatworld

      Thanks for posting here, Joe. I thought this article deserved its own thread, so I put up a new article featuring it.

  • bachcole

    Hatred is far more deadly than nuclear fission. Let’s do a body count. Nuclear fission had a really huge body count in it’s first 4 days of practical usage or accidents, but to a large extent that body count was powered by hatred. Since August 10th, 1945, the body count from nuclear fission has been very minimal, certainly less than a million people in 69 years, and probably less than 1000, not counting the deaths from the original two dramatic events. But the deaths from hatred in that 69 years: 63 million in China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 1.7 million in Cambodia, 700 thousand in Rwanda, genocide in the Sudan, etc., etc., etc., all because of hatred. And then there are the millions of murders outside of war and government oppression throughout the world. And nuclear fission was not involved in any of those deaths. And this says nothing about the divorces and suicides because of hatred, and not one rad of fission radioactivity had anything to do with any of these tragedies. It seems obvious to me that hatred is much more destructive than nuclear fission. And I haven’t even begun to address the damage to the human spirit that hatred causes.

    • GreenWin

      These are good thoughts Roger. And as we evolve to understand how important consciousness is to the world we perceive as “real” – mitigating that hatred will help us grow. A lot of hate is based on fear. Fear “there is not enough” in particular. The lesson of LENR is the opposite of fear. It reminds us there IS enough. For every one. If only we allow it.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      add 3-6million (maybe more, 3 is just what army claimed, and religious groups organised civilian genocide) during 1965 genocide against communist in Indonesia (PPT in process of creation). Facts acknowledged by CIA but accepted because of cold war.

      about the human cost of radioactivity accidents, looking for real numbers, even chernobyl was very small.
      few dozen of deadly acute irradiation (with modest long term effect) on the hundred of suicide firement.
      Nothing on adult population even the cleaner. few thousand of cancer because iodine contamination of kids because of food lack of control, with a handful of death, amplified by medical poverty in post soviet USSR.
      The explosion of soviet system killed million of people because of bad health care.
      The stress of evacuation (which was mostly unjustified after few years if looking at real toxicity, and not about the regulation) killed few thousand people.
      Fow Fukushima, the accident will cause below 1 deaths (statistic), because population get nothing (observed thyroid cancer in kids are caused by overdiagnosis), and few operators get increased risk similar to the impact of moderate drinking, or smoking, less than stress impact.

      beside that, more than hatred, economic errors (like Lenin/stalin), governance errors (african greece, and why not US/france at a lesser degree) have killed tens of million of people without hate.

  • GreenWin

    You should check into the NRG Beacon10 from NRG/Dean Kamen which produces 10kW electric plus heat for hot water, area heating and eventually chiller cooling. These energy appliances will produce 100% most residential loads – including EV charging off peak. And they’re designed to integrate and store rooftop PV. The device only uses fuel when PV or stored energy is low. http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/NRG-Energy-Deploying-Dean-Kamens-Solar-Smart-In-Home-Generator

  • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

    interesting article saying that utilities can survive if they change their model not to sell energy, but grid service

    http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/Business_Policy_Regulation/Utility-dinosaurs-Here-are-five-plans-for-your-survival-6418.html#.UyszYKimjvc

    I agree mostly

    “eight recommendations:

    1. The retail electricity distribution business should not be viewed or regulated as a commodity. Recovery of utilities’ non-fuel costs should reflect their costs of maintaining and improving the electricity grid, and should not be tied to levels of retail commodity sales.

    2. Regulators should provide for reasonable and predictable annual adjustments in utilities’ authorized non-fuel revenue requirements.

    3. Net metering programs need new approaches. Operators of on-site distributed generation must provide reasonable cost-based compensation for the utility services they use, while also being compensated fairly for the services they provide.

    4. Utilities deserve assurances that recovery of their authorized non-fuel costs will not vary with fluctuations in electricity use. Customers deserve assurances that costs will not be shifted unreasonably to them from other customers.

    5. It is appropriate to consider expanding investor-owned utilities’ earnings opportunities to include performance based incentives tied to benefits delivered to their customers.

    6. We will work together to ensure that energy efficiency services reach underserved populations, including the increased deployment of utility programs focused on affordable multi-family housing.

    7. We reaffirm our goal of helping electricity users take advantage of all cost-effective energy efficiency opportunities.

    8. We reaffirm our call to state regulators to support significantly enhanced utility investment in smart meters and a smart grid.”

    • GreenWin

      Alain, while the author Jesse Berst pays lip service to utility reform, his agenda is smart grids. He an hundreds of other white shoe execs are terrified their vision of centrally controlled smart grids and cities is collapsing. “Smart” grids are over-engineered home invasion technologies. Who needs a home filled with motion, heat, appliance sensors? What for? We can make abundant, clean low cost energy.

      Utilities have one choice. Manufacture/resell distributed energy appliances & services (solar, micro-CHP) or become an heavily subsidized backup power supply. As Crane points out, building a grid based on 130M wooden poles is smart as a box of rocks.

      The “smart” grid idea required shrinking resources, AGW and FEAR to be convincing. LENR eliminates all three. Abundance does not have to be “smart.” It is available to everyone.

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        I agree that current smart grid is based on scarcity and intermittence management, with smart shutdown management and intrusion in all consumption practice…
        This vision is dead before being alive.

        however I have a vision of a smart grids of abundance, when producers manage their production in a coherent way, to avoid the need of huge overcapacity, and take advantage of CHP.
        For example on average a fairly consume few kW, not the 6/9kW peak that is allowed in France…
        if LENR CHP, LENR district powerplant, and why not LENR block generator small business could share a protocol to organize their work, be paid, it could reduce hugely the need of LENR capacity.
        The grid does not need to be so smart, but it need to be simple market (in fact with a good market, the generator will be motivated to become smart)…
        What I propose is a peer-to-peer model of energy production, where the utilities, a local operator, just sell a service of connection and trade-platform.

        those utilities will be paid not by energy consumption, but by the power exchange capacity, the trading platform performance…

        I agree anyway that between the old utilities that will destroy their market by trying to keep their monopoly, and the desire not to share anything with your neighbors, the chance there is a micro-grid of LENR producers is like the chance to have a peer-to-peer (ad hoc) wifi network, instead of the usual wifi provider model…

        • GreenWin

          Good ideas. 🙂

  • georgehants

    EGO OUT
    HOW LONG WILL COLD FUSION’S 25 YEARS WAR LAST?
    Peter Gluck
    http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/03/how-long-will-cold-fusions-25years-war.html

    • Andreas Moraitis

      He speaks of “an absolutely convincing, inexorable demo“, which we will allegedly see 304 months after Fleischmann-Pons. What kind of demo would be “absolutely convincing” and “inexorable”?

  • GreenWin

    More hard utility news from Europe: “E.ON SE (€112.9B revenue) on Wednesday said it would slash its yearly dividend by nearly half as the German power utility gave a bleak outlook for 2014, blaming the subsidy-led boom in renewable energy supply across Europe for undermining its fossil-fueled electricity business—the main reason for a 14% decline in operating profit last year.

    E.ON’s sober outlook on poor results chimes with the mood among most of Europe’s other established electricity… “ Wall Street Journal March 12, 2014 The grid death spiral appears to widen.

  • GreenWin

    Mike, the “net metering” idea is fading as fast as utility profits. With new battery systems e.g. from Japan and Tesla, excess can be stored. With a neighborhood microgrid, excess is shared with those who have lower generating capacity, equipment failure, or community centers / schools / municipal buildings.

  • jousterusa

    Despite hjours of effort, I was unable to post “The Secret” -s o I guess it wasn’t so great, after all! I will keep trying.

  • jousterusa

    I have just published “The Great Secret,” about LENR/CF and hydrinos, at http://www.american-reporter.com/4,939/1.html. I hope you’ll resend it to spread the word. Thanks!

  • Gerard McEk

    When P&F announced their Cold Fusion 25 years ago I already thought it would be the end of the grid, but it is still there. I hope LENR manifests soon, but even now I wouldn’t give a sh.. for the grid.

  • GreenWin

    It looks more and more like the grid will get rid of itself – or more likely, simply die in place. This fulfills the “stranded asset” predictions of energy pundits globally. Little discussed is the collapse of EU’s biggest utilities — including Rossi-friendly Swedish Vattenfall, and German mega-utility RWE. Vattenfall to its credit is restructuring, presumably to respond to the Elforsk-Levi Report. RWE reported a $3.8B loss, the first since 1949; and is selling everything it can.

    “RWE’s CEO Peter Terium called it ”the worst structural crisis in the history of energy supply.” http://climatecrocks.com/2014/03/12/more-on-utility-death-spiral-in-germany/

    But there is a lot of light in this tunnel. Transition from central to distributed energy will produce thousands of new jobs. Not to mention energy independence and lower costs of living. Renewables wind and solar have nicely positioned the introduction to district and local LENR. The NRG Beacon11 could be more popular than refrigeration! 🙂

    • bachcole

      This could be better evidence than Duke selling off.

    • Fortyniner

      Looks like the UK will be the last bastion of the grid system. Absolutely zero indication of any move to distributed systems, or any discussion of the possibility, continuing head-on rush into politically driven ‘new nuke’ dinosaurs.

      • georgehants

        Peter, we will have some lovely nuke plants to take our children to see and trains running on unneeded lines all over the place.
        We are very lucky though because we now have lot’s of food banks for those people who cannot afford to feed the kids.
        Did you see how much Tony Blair is worth now, becoming PM is certainly wealth enhancing.
        ——
        I’m not one of the super-rich, says Tony Blair despite being worth £20m a year and owning six homes.
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9367302/Im-not-one-of-the-super-rich-says-Tony-Blair-despite-being-worth-20m-a-year-and-owningsix-homes.html

        • Fortyniner

          My science teacher daughter regularly receives ‘resources packs’ and other propaganda from our friendly local nuclear power station, along with invitations to take the kiddies around the plant and to the ‘visitor centre’ for another healthy dose of one-sided half truth (and a souvenir biro and notebook of course).

          Re. Blair – he is an object lesson to anyone who believes that there is ever any kind of reckoning for those whose misdeeds harm others on a mass scale. The establishment looks after its own, regardless of what they have done or how many lies they have told.

      • Steve H

        I empathise with your point of view, but let us look at the facts.
        Rossi’s 1 MW reactor is not yet available in quantity. We require 2000 of these to replace one large power station.
        I’m sure that the governments science advisors will know what the present situation is but Cameron is not going to under-write an order for 2000, 1MW E-Cats at a cost of 2 Billion dollars until the technology is better proven and more robust.
        It will also require an army of good technicians and engineers to monitor and maintain these 2000 reactors. Considerably more than would normally be found at a conventional, large power station – looking after eight, large turbines.

        Rossi’s reactor – at present will only be good for pre-heating boiler feed water or small scale distributed power generation. It’s an amazing device, but not likely to replace large power generation any time soon.
        It’s a shame they cannot progress with a 30 kW domestic E-CAT. That’s where the immediate market exists, however I can understand their reservations with regard to operational safety and certification issues.

        Warm regards,

        Steve.

        • Fortyniner

          Clearly cold fusion is not ready to replace mainstream power generation yet. However, as such emergent technologies are now looking more hopeful than ever before, the logical way forward is essentially to adopt a ‘holding pattern’ of cheap and cheerful gas turbine generation, along with broadening the input from distributed PVs and tidal stations (lagoons/atolls) and looking at gas-fuelled local systems.

          To commit the nation to huge centralised nuclear stations at enormous public cost, without even having a means of disposing to the additional nuclear waste that will be produced is utter folly.

          • georgehants

            With two and a quarter million unemployed, paying a good number of then to manufacture and fit solar panels to every available space would remove most of our day time energy needs, very quickly I think.
            But we cannot do that because it would upset the capitalist system, by-passing profits for the benefit of all is against their religion.

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        I’m sorry for the British, but I’m sure that like France have hosted the last Stalinist communist party, we will be the last to dump the big fat grid…

        anyway removing the grid may not be the best option. best option would be a micro-grid with neighbors, with smart generators. like for internet, maybe the billing should move to power capacity instead of energy.

        • BroKeeper

          Agreed with emergency feeds between surrounding locals. Only hope it is underground.

          • Fortyniner

            Unfortunately that seems unlikely, as buried cable costs 5-10 times as much as overhead wires, and also costs much more to fix when damaged. I think it’s more likely that even when distributed systems become the norm, parts of the various existing national grid pylon systems will be kept as interconnectors for load balancing, just as now.

            http://www.50hertz.com/cps/rde/xchg/trm_de/hs.xsl/3222.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en&&rdeCOQ=SID-9AB71C49-B8A83F4C

            • Omega Z

              Yes, they seem to have a memory problem.
              Where’d we bury that line again. Auuug. Found it.

              Note: Our primary fiber optic line to where I live gets cut at least once per year. Many times twice.

      • ecatworld
        • Fortyniner

          “Heiner Markhoff discusses CERAWeek” ??

          • GreenWin

            It’s unfortunate that “green crap” is so due to the whole “carbon credits” scheme. Which of course requires a preposterous belief in AGW – which is still propped up by $B$ from the creaking orthodoxy. On an atonal note I have just seen that banker suicides are soaring. 🙁

            • bachcole

              Is this perhaps an indication of guilty consciousnesses? I doubt if it is the result of personal financial failure.

  • Job001

    Makes financial sense, Crane’s past statements reflect “long on NG and solar, short on grid” positions. LENR is the up and coming dark horse yet without open market product. When this happens his position may strengthen with change toward LENR deployment.
    “How do we get rid of the grid?”
    The normal way, sell it!
    Selling the grid may create a “Grid market” for buyers and sellers while eliminating conflicts of interest.

  • GreenWin

    It is telling that Crane was speaking at the recent DOE ARPA-E Summit with some 2,000 in attendance. ARPA-E has finally acknowledged LENR as an area it is willing to fund.

    ”Millions of customers representing billions of dollars in utility
    revenues will find themselves in a position to cost-effectively defect
    from the grid if they so choose. The so-called utility death spiral is
    proving not just a hypothetical threat, but a real, near, and present
    one.”
    http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2014_02_25_will_the_electricity_grid_become_optional

    • BroKeeper

      Good post GW. I think this helps solve Charles puzzle with utility company representatives at the summit. No CEO will jump to the LENR gun until it is without any doubts to its viability. I believe after the E-CAT test (assuming positive), briefings will be added to CEO’s understanding with serious audience. This will spark the begining preparations for the inevidibility.
      They may wait for the first installed LENR converted coal plant to prove to their investors they are not wacked out. But by then it may be too late to maximize their profits waiting in a long line for their blue boxes.
      I liken them as judge on a popular singing competition show hovering their hands over the big red button paused to hear that high note. We have front row seats to that show here with comentators with great news positings of the event. Thanks!

  • Charles

    The one remaining puzzle in my mind regarding LENR is the apparent total and wide-spread ignorance of LENR among those in high places in the electric power industry. I’m talking about the GEs, Westinghouses, Duke Energy, New York Utilities, the NYSE, and on and on and on. Not to mention the EXXONS etal. LENR is a cocked pistol against their temples [of their heads] and they are oblivious. Or in denial. Or they are quietly selling [sold] out.

    • GreenWin

      Duke Energy (under federal criminal investigation) announced it will sell 13 major heartland generating properties. This following a dramatic utilities selloff back in May – curiously days after the Elforsk-Levi Report was published. Con Edison, former monopoly servicing NY City, has sold all of its generating facilities. And in EU, two leading utilities dump 21 GW generating plants:

      “Utilities across Europe have been taken by surprise by a surge in output
      from renewable energy sources, mainly solar and wind, making many
      fossil-fuelled thermal plants redundant and leading to a collapse in wholesale power prices.”
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/101488448

      • Charles

        GreenWin, way back there when the Germans declared they would get out of the nuclear business, I thought: The Germans definitely are not stupid, they see LENR coming around the bend, but just won’t say so. Perhaps the big utilities know, they just won’t say so.

    • Bernie777

      It is the latter, their finger is on the trigger, everything boils down to timing.

  • bachcole

    It amazes me how someone who is looking through a microscope can’t understand why other people can’t see what they see. We are focused 16 hours a day on LENR and we are surprised when other people don’t see what we see. I know that they will, eventually, but they don’t and won’t for probably a few more years.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      why ?

      https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/Schumpeter3send.pdf

      because it is rational, especially if that collective delusion is painful to one’s interest.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Alain, I’m surprised that the French have a more socialist attitude than the Russians,
        and the Chinese favor private enterprise even more than does the US.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          People who know something from their own, long-term experience know also the shortcomings, and are therefore rather down-to-earth. People who don’t know might fail to see the shortcomings and overrate the supposed advantages.